Could Mets Acquire Cliff Lee Without Mejia?

Will Jenrry Mejia's posterior cuff strain prevent the Mets from trading for Mariners ace Cliff Lee?  GM Omar Minaya obviously could not talk specifically about Lee when asked by Kevin Kernan of the New York Post "if the Mejia setback is a setback to trade possibilities."  But Minaya kept a brave face and replied, "I don’t think so because I think we have other very good possibilities."  At least one of Minaya's current players does think the team lost its chance to acquire Lee with Mejia's injury, according to Kernan.

Maybe there is a chance, given Ken Rosenthal's June 19th report for FOX Sports suggesting the Mariners want young hitters in return for Lee.  At that time Rosenthal didn't think the Mets would be willing to give up Ike Davis to rent Lee.  John Hickey of AOL FanHouse wrote yesterday about a consensus among Mariners insiders that the team should add talent around the Double A level in a Lee deal.  More specifically, outfielders and lefthanded starters would be a good fit.

In my opinion, the Mets probably couldn't swing a Lee trade with Fernando Martinez as the centerpiece. He's hitting .248/.299/.397 at Triple A currently.  Starter Brad Holt is struggling at Double A, though second baseman Reese Havens was raking before hitting the DL with an oblique injury.  We heard from Rosenthal on June 7th that the Mets are high on infielder Ruben Tejada, enough that they would be reluctant to include him in a Roy Oswalt trade.  In a June 23rd article, Mark Hale of the New York Post found the Mets unlikely to include Mejia, Davis, or Jonathon Niese in a Lee offer.  He opined that the Mets would have to build the deal around names like Tejada, Martinez, Wilmer Flores, Jeurys Familia, and Josh Thole.  From where I'm sitting, the Mets don't seem like the team that will ultimately make the best offer for Lee. 


142 Responses to Could Mets Acquire Cliff Lee Without Mejia? Leave a Reply

  1. Sampsonite168 5 years ago

    Mets farm is in shambles right now. Everyone who started in the upper minors and played well and stayed healthy got called up to the MLB team and they need all of them right now. F-Mart keeps getting hurt, Havens hurt, Kirk hurt, Mejia hurt, and the entire St. Lucie rotation has underperformed.

    • bigpelflikesike123 5 years ago

      Kirk has been back in the lineup for a week now… and Fmart hasn’t been hurt for a month.

      • Sampsonite168 5 years ago

        Just checked and he played his first game back yesterday. Not exactly what I’d call a week.

        • bigpelflikesike123 5 years ago

          sorry i miss read ur right… but still the mets farm is def not in shambles my friend… people just like to bash it

        • bigpelflikesike123 5 years ago

          sorry i miss read ur right… but still the mets farm is def not in shambles my friend… people just like to bash it

  2. coup 5 years ago

    Could the Cardinals still be interested in Lee? Do they have the minor league pieces for a deal? The Cardinals seem to be in more need.

  3. paulio_male_gigalo 5 years ago

    I’ll all for offering Seattle any prospect except for Ike Davis, Mejia, and Tejada. Well, maybe Tejada. Offensive prospects are a dime a dozen and often don’t pan out. Mejia and his 97 mph fastball is more likely to compete in some capacity on the major league level.

    • mets2010champs 5 years ago

      Niese looks like a completely different pitcher, his cutter has been the key to his recent success. I think he can really be a number 2 or 3.

      • paulio_male_gigalo 5 years ago

        I agree Neise as well doesn’t go anywhere. Didn’t mean to leave him off my list. I just forgot he still might be considered a prospect.

      • paulio_male_gigalo 5 years ago

        I agree Neise as well doesn’t go anywhere. Didn’t mean to leave him off my list. I just forgot he still might be considered a prospect.

  4. fredrok 5 years ago

    Why is everyone so down on Fmart. He has been in the minors for seemingly a long tim ebecause he is only 20 years old he was dubbed as the teenage hitting machine since he tore up the minors as a teenager. He also was MVP of the carribean league series.

    • Muggi 5 years ago

      I don’t think most of the posters are “down” on him per se, but are pointing out he’s not currently valuable enough to be a centerpiece in a trade of this magnitude.

      He’s certainly go talent, and is still young, but his value is significantly lower than it was a year ago. He’s an example of why it’s so dangerous to call up guys before he’s REALLY ready. A bad debut is far, far worse than nothing at all.

      Again, not doubting his talent. Doubting his relative trade value.

      • metsman 5 years ago

        so if we are differentiating between talent and trade value than lets ignore Lee’s talent and focus on the fact that he is a rental player and the Mariners are the one’s in most desperate need of a viable line-up for the future, the gamble of two draft picks not withstanding.

        • Muggi 5 years ago

          That’s fine…but the Mets are not bidding in a bubble. There’s several other teams interested. The level of value of the Mets’ compared to Lee is meaningless; it’s compared to what other teams can/will offer. That’s The problem with all these people saying the Mets’ offer will be more than what the M’s gave up…who cares. All that matters is what the M’s can get NOW

        • Muggi 5 years ago

          That’s fine…but the Mets are not bidding in a bubble. There’s several other teams interested. The level of value of the Mets’ compared to Lee is meaningless; it’s compared to what other teams can/will offer. That’s The problem with all these people saying the Mets’ offer will be more than what the M’s gave up…who cares. All that matters is what the M’s can get NOW

      • metsman 5 years ago

        so if we are differentiating between talent and trade value than lets ignore Lee’s talent and focus on the fact that he is a rental player and the Mariners are the one’s in most desperate need of a viable line-up for the future, the gamble of two draft picks not withstanding.

  5. mets2010champs 5 years ago

    Ill rather give up mejia than flores, but it would make more sense to trade flores because of him being blocked at 3b and 1b.

  6. coup 5 years ago

    How about the Padres? Could they pony up some prospects for a half year rental of Lee?

    Sounds like the Mets don’t have the horses.

    • Padres already have great pitching…they dont need cliff lee, they need a bat…

  7. fredrok 5 years ago

    link to metsminorleagueblog.com

    Check out here to see the mets horses. A package around THole Fmart and maybe a AA pitcher like Holt Familia may get the job done. That haul would be considerably better than what they would expect to receive from the two picks in the draft.

    • raffish 5 years ago

      That’s a sad proposal, really. Every fan in Seattle paying attention would be disappointed.

    • raffish 5 years ago

      That’s a sad proposal, really. Every fan in Seattle paying attention would be disappointed.

  8. aaron b 5 years ago

    Wonder if the Mets would trade Davis and Martinez for Derrick Lee and Ted Lilly? Assuming the Cubs picked up the payroll difference?

    • Reyesisback 5 years ago

      LOL..not a chance..keep dreaming

    • We have enough OF’s as is…We currently Carry Soriano, Byrd, Fukudome, Colvin, and Nady…Come on

      • Zack23 5 years ago

        So? F-Mart would be for the future, not 2010.
        Nady is a FA after this season, and Fukudome is a FA after next season.

    • there is no way they trade ike davis…derrek lee has been beyond horrible this year and is not getting any younger…and they can get just lilly without trading davis…

      • aaron b 5 years ago

        Do they want to trust Davis in September? Both Lilly and Lee are Type A free Agents. So worst case is you get 4 comp picks in return for Davis and F-mart.

        • bigpelflikesike123 5 years ago

          hahahahahahahahah the fact u actually think thats a plausible deal is hilarious. Ike Savis has Mark Texiera potential. I have more faith in september because he will adjust to big league pitching.

        • Yankees420 5 years ago

          That’s assuming that arb is offered and rejected by each player, and that they maintain type A status throughout the rest of the year, too many variables to say that the worst case is 4 picks.

        • Yankees420 5 years ago

          That’s assuming that arb is offered and rejected by each player, and that they maintain type A status throughout the rest of the year, too many variables to say that the worst case is 4 picks.

    • Not a good trade, no thanks.

    • bigpelflikesike123 5 years ago

      Thats a great idea!!!! Trade a young 1b with and endless ceiling for a 34 year old whose contract runs out soon!!!!! Truly a great idea.

    • Sampsonite168 5 years ago

      Dear lord no. Davis and F-Mart for two rentals? And then what do the Mets do at 1B? Davis is pretty much untradable right now, not because he’s a lock to be a superstar so much as the Mets have nothing else going on at 1B in their farm.

    • Yankees420 5 years ago

      That is just a god awful idea for the Mets.

    • aaron b 5 years ago

      It was a question more so than a trade idea. Good lord its not like Omar Minaya ever traded Cliff Lee, Brandon Phillips and Grady Sizemore for Bartolo Colon or anything?I thought it possible that Minaya isn’t above making a panic move for vets in an effort to save his job this year.Some of these Mets fans are over the top with their opinions on the prospects they have. I’ve read 11 names of guys who absolutely CANNOT BE DEALT FOR CLIFF LEE???? Prospects as a general rule very seldom turn into best cases. But by the sounds of it, if the Mets stand pat. They should be turning into the 27 Yankees over the next 18 months. Good luck with that.

      • ReverendBlack 5 years ago

        Right or wrong, prospects & young players across the league have never been valued more highly than they are now. It’s a factor.

      • ReverendBlack 5 years ago

        Right or wrong, prospects & young players across the league have never been valued more highly than they are now. It’s a factor.

    • aaron b 5 years ago

      It was a question more so than a trade idea. Good lord its not like Omar Minaya ever traded Cliff Lee, Brandon Phillips and Grady Sizemore for Bartolo Colon or anything?I thought it possible that Minaya isn’t above making a panic move for vets in an effort to save his job this year.Some of these Mets fans are over the top with their opinions on the prospects they have. I’ve read 11 names of guys who absolutely CANNOT BE DEALT FOR CLIFF LEE???? Prospects as a general rule very seldom turn into best cases. But by the sounds of it, if the Mets stand pat. They should be turning into the 27 Yankees over the next 18 months. Good luck with that.

  9. Jenrry Mejia’s injury isn’t serious, he just needs to rest his arm. I think a package around
    Wilmer Flores or Mejia would be good enough.

  10. fredrok 5 years ago

    “Wonder if the Mets would trade Davis and Martinez for Derrick Lee and Ted Lilly? Assuming the Cubs picked up the payroll difference? ” extremly wishful thinking

  11. YaGottaBelieve11 5 years ago

    If you are a mets fan I don’t understand how you can be okay with trading Mejia. He quite possibly has the best stuff in the organization and he couldn’t even buy a beer in the ballpark. His cutter has drawn comparisons do that of Mariano Rivera. MARIANO RIVERA!!!! and you want to trade him for a rental?! I just don’t get it.

    He held his own in the bigs as a 20 year old and you have to give him a chance to polish himself into the frontline starter he can be for the Mets. We have seen the Mets organization try and fail too many times trying to make a deadline deal. If the Mets organization wants to continue to set itself back and put itself into the position where it NEEDS a deadline deal to be in contention, then go ahead, trade Mejia. But I’m telling you, if Big Pelf can have the success he is having with one dominant pitch, Mejia definitely can.

    • adropofvenom 5 years ago

      Not to nitpick, but Pelfrey really isn’t a one pitch pitcher anymore. He’s turned things around because he’s developed that Split Finger and learned to control the rest of his secondary stuff to the point where he can throw them for strikes, namely the Curveball, to go along with his already great sinker.

      Mejia needs to work on his secondary stuff and his control as well. Clearly he has a breaking ball with potential, he just needs to be able to throw it for strikes. But he’s young, he’s got time on his side. Thankfully, the injury doesn’t sound like a long-term thing.

      • mikefichera 5 years ago

        Heyman on the radio said that Mejia was a 1 pitch pitcher, I watched him when he was using his other pitches in ST and single a and his other pitches when using them regularly were fantastic. They made him drop those pitches while in the bigs.

        • ReverendBlack 5 years ago

          Unless you are only talking about movement, they are definitely not fantastic pitches. Yet.

        • ReverendBlack 5 years ago

          Unless you are only talking about movement, they are definitely not fantastic pitches. Yet.

      • mikefichera 5 years ago

        Heyman on the radio said that Mejia was a 1 pitch pitcher, I watched him when he was using his other pitches in ST and single a and his other pitches when using them regularly were fantastic. They made him drop those pitches while in the bigs.

      • YaGottaBelieve11 5 years ago

        I didn’t mean pelf is a one pitch pitcher now but I can see how I was unclear. He WAS a one pitch pitcher with effectively no breaking stuff and he really struggled in the bigs. Mejia effectively is a one pitch pitcher now and he has a 66% ground ball rate. So for me comparing the two, mejia is farther along then pelfrey was early in their careers. Give mejia time to find some real quality breaking stuff which he has shown the potential for, I think he very realistcally be better then pelf is now. That’s why I don’t deal him for a rental.

      • YaGottaBelieve11 5 years ago

        I didn’t mean pelf is a one pitch pitcher now but I can see how I was unclear. He WAS a one pitch pitcher with effectively no breaking stuff and he really struggled in the bigs. Mejia effectively is a one pitch pitcher now and he has a 66% ground ball rate. So for me comparing the two, mejia is farther along then pelfrey was early in their careers. Give mejia time to find some real quality breaking stuff which he has shown the potential for, I think he very realistcally be better then pelf is now. That’s why I don’t deal him for a rental.

    • As a Mets fan, I am fed up of not having made it to the postseason the past 3 years and, in an extremely tight division, Lee gives us an edge and then some. Then there is the prospect that we could resign one of the best pitchers in baseball to a long term deal (don’t rule it out), THEN there is the fact that Mejia is still unproven – especially as a starter.

      • mikefichera 5 years ago

        Lee is a 3 month rental why give up on our farm that continues to produce MLB talent? Its not like this is a do or die year for the mets we are very young why mortgage future years for the sake of lee?

      • mikefichera 5 years ago

        Lee is a 3 month rental why give up on our farm that continues to produce MLB talent? Its not like this is a do or die year for the mets we are very young why mortgage future years for the sake of lee?

        • ReverendBlack 5 years ago

          A world series is a very big deal. Lots of teams “mortgage their future” for a good run or two. Ask the Braves how good it feels to make the playoffs every year but never take a title. Most fans and virtually all businessmen will trade a season or three of struggling to make then postseason for just one title.

        • ReverendBlack 5 years ago

          A world series is a very big deal. Lots of teams “mortgage their future” for a good run or two. Ask the Braves how good it feels to make the playoffs every year but never take a title. Most fans and virtually all businessmen will trade a season or three of struggling to make then postseason for just one title.

      • YaGottaBelieve11 5 years ago

        I can’t argue at all with you being fed up with the lack of October baseball. And there is no doubt that Lee CAN get us there. But come on, this is baseball. Lee doesn’t guarantee playoffs, and he certainly doesn’t guarantees a world series birth. I’m not ready to give up 6 years of mejia (and who knows who else) for 3 months of Lee.

      • YaGottaBelieve11 5 years ago

        I can’t argue at all with you being fed up with the lack of October baseball. And there is no doubt that Lee CAN get us there. But come on, this is baseball. Lee doesn’t guarantee playoffs, and he certainly doesn’t guarantees a world series birth. I’m not ready to give up 6 years of mejia (and who knows who else) for 3 months of Lee.

    • fredrok 5 years ago

      I would not trade Mejia. Young pitching is at such a premium in this league you just dont do it.

      • You have Niese, you have Pelfrey, there’s your young pitchers. If the M’s want Mejia, suck it up and do it.

        • YaGottaBelieve11 5 years ago

          I didn’t realize you can’t have more than two young pitchers on a roster..

        • YaGottaBelieve11 5 years ago

          I didn’t realize you can’t have more than two young pitchers on a roster..

  12. diehardmets 5 years ago

    Thole, F-Mart, Familia, B-Prospect

    That should be enough for a rental of Lee. We really need to sign him regardless of whether a trade is made or not.

    • fredrok 5 years ago

      I agree that is not far off. You can also sub Flores for F Mart Holt for Familia and be pretty close. I think that haul is more than enough to get it done. W eare giving up two players that have made it to the show already and two more that could pan out.

      • diehardmets 5 years ago

        I’d rather keep Flores because he is being compared to Hanley. As far as Holt and Familia I don’t know enough about them to say which one is better.

      • bigpelflikesike123 5 years ago

        you cannot switch Holt and Familia, Holt was recently demoted because of his 10 Era in Double A. A package of Flores Familia Thole and Evans would definitely get the job done.

        • Belandsexo 5 years ago

          That deal is solid. Although we have no use for Evans. The problem is that the M’s will probably want somebody who could help them sooner.

          M’s will probably want Flores and Tejada and then whatever else you want to throw in.

          I know Mets fans will think this is a lot, but you can’t make Davis, Niese, Pagan, and Mejia untouchable, and then complain if M’s want Flores and Tejada.

          If that doesn’t work, M’s are probably better off looking elsewhere, or taking the comp picks.

          • oleosmirf 5 years ago

            Evans is better than any of the Mariners 1B prospects in AA or AAA.

          • Belandsexo 5 years ago

            Evans is no better than Mike Carp. They are both guys you stock away in AAA in case of injury and nothing more.

    • mikefichera 5 years ago

      Sign him? He is 32 years old and is going to want a mega contract….take the 2 prospects and run imo.

  13. I hope the Met’s make several blockbuster moves, once again depleting their already meager farm system. They won’t win the division anyway. Atlanta is the team of destiny this year.

  14. Mauerneau 5 years ago

    Am i the only person who is sick of hearing the Mariners GM mentioned by people as if he’s their brother?? Jack Z this, Jack Z that… just say the Mariners for Christ sakes!

    • ReverendBlack 5 years ago

      He’s not my brother, just a good buddy of mine. Met him through my old pal Theo.

  15. As a Mets fan, I’d offer anyone the Mariners want who isn’t named Ike Davis or Jonathan Niese. Start with Mejia, add in F-Mart or Thole, and one more lower-level prospect.

  16. mets might make that deal, but if there is really no way they can get lee without giving up mejia i can very easily see them just getting lilly. santana, pelfrey, lilly, and niese isnt dominant by any means, but i think it gets the job done. then they could just let lilly walk at the end of the season, and make a serious run at lee as a free agent. just imagine a future rotation of lee, santana, pelfrey, niese, and mejia

  17. mets might make that deal, but if there is really no way they can get lee without giving up mejia i can very easily see them just getting lilly. santana, pelfrey, lilly, and niese isnt dominant by any means, but i think it gets the job done. then they could just let lilly walk at the end of the season, and make a serious run at lee as a free agent. just imagine a future rotation of lee, santana, pelfrey, niese, and mejia

  18. Lets_Go_Red_Sox 5 years ago

    the mets will panic at the last minute ( again ) and drain what little remains in their farm ( again ) only to watch him sign a masssive ridiculous contract in the bronx, BOOK IT

    • Joshua Ryan 5 years ago

      No, they won’t. If there is anything Omar has done well, it’s been not to give up prospects for rentals midseason. Either the price is right for Omar, or he will move on to another target.

      • $3513744 5 years ago

        …and then watch someone else win the WS.

      • $3513744 5 years ago

        …and then watch someone else win the WS.

      • Lets_Go_Red_Sox 5 years ago

        heres the difference you no longer have elite top prospects in your system,
        the last one you had ( davis ) is in the majors and martinez, etc might be
        good pros, but not elite, meijia( sp ?) is the last one you have in the
        upper minors that could be a star

      • Lets_Go_Red_Sox 5 years ago

        heres the difference you no longer have elite top prospects in your system,
        the last one you had ( davis ) is in the majors and martinez, etc might be
        good pros, but not elite, meijia( sp ?) is the last one you have in the
        upper minors that could be a star

    • Joshua Ryan 5 years ago

      No, they won’t. If there is anything Omar has done well, it’s been not to give up prospects for rentals midseason. Either the price is right for Omar, or he will move on to another target.

  19. Lets_Go_Red_Sox 5 years ago

    the mets will panic at the last minute ( again ) and drain what little remains in their farm ( again ) only to watch him sign a masssive ridiculous contract in the bronx, BOOK IT

  20. ghost5599 5 years ago

    As a Mariners fan I envy whatever team Lee ends up with. In the short time he has been here he has been awesome to watch. The excitement he brings every time he pitches is amazing. He’s been a class act and a professional. Hopefully some of what he’s got has rubbed off on some of our players. No matter what the M’s get in return for him it won’t be enough.

    • snow15 5 years ago

      Well said, he has been an absolute professional through all the trade talk and has continued to dominate every 5th day. He has been an absolute joy to watch.

    • snow15 5 years ago

      Well said, he has been an absolute professional through all the trade talk and has continued to dominate every 5th day. He has been an absolute joy to watch.

  21. ghost5599 5 years ago

    As a Mariners fan I envy whatever team Lee ends up with. In the short time he has been here he has been awesome to watch. The excitement he brings every time he pitches is amazing. He’s been a class act and a professional. Hopefully some of what he’s got has rubbed off on some of our players. No matter what the M’s get in return for him it won’t be enough.

  22. metsical 5 years ago

    Mets need to win now!!!!!!!!!!!!! Trade Nieuwheis, Mejia, and Thole for Cliff Lee..Also we need Ty Wiggington at second base…. That shouold put us deep into the playoffs..We’ll see about next year in the offseason

  23. metsical 5 years ago

    Mets need to win now!!!!!!!!!!!!! Trade Nieuwheis, Mejia, and Thole for Cliff Lee..Also we need Ty Wiggington at second base…. That shouold put us deep into the playoffs..We’ll see about next year in the offseason

  24. What misinformed part of Brooklyn are you from?

  25. This is actually just F-Mart’s second time in AAA, after just 45 games there last year. Dude’s still just 21, and he’s always been far younger than the rest of the competition in every league he’s been in. Get your facts right.

  26. bigpelflikesike123 5 years ago

    you might not accept but i bet Jack Z would be pretty damn happy if Wilmer Flores was included in a deal. Every single mariner or whatever fan on this blog keep saying fmart is our number one hitting prospect which is just completely false. Flores is hitting 455 in single a right now and projects to be a hanley ramirez esque player.

  27. Why not? The Mariners got him for less than that.

  28. Why not? The Mariners got him for less than that.

  29. ReverendBlack 5 years ago

    Nonetheless, he has yet to hit well at that level. Centerpieces don’t tend to be mere projectable stars, but fairly established successful prospects.

  30. adropofvenom 5 years ago

    In 344 PA at the AAA level, he’s hit for a .796 OPS. That’s hardly bad, especially when you consider that he’s done it at Ages 20-21.Yeah, he’s had some struggles this year, but he’s young and coming back from an injury. It’s not like there’s anybody out there who questions Martinez’s bat, his ability to stay healthy on the other hand is a concern, but he would be completely untouchable if that wasn’t the case. PS: You do realize the Twins supposed centerpiece is hitting for a .580 OPS at the same level, and he’s older then Martinez, right? Yeah, yeah, positional scarcity. Whatever.

  31. bigpelflikesike123 5 years ago

    where does it say he would be the centerpiece??? did u not read the article. the mets have the likes of wilmer flores Jeuryes Familia or mejia to lead the package. And btw the media is completely blowing mejia’s strain out of proportion. Mejia told minaya that it was some stiffness and that he will likely resume throwing in a few days.

  32. adropofvenom 5 years ago

    “The mariners don’t need an OF first off”

    The Mariners need just about anybody who can hit, lol.

    And it’s not like the Mets don’t have other prospects. If you need a Catcher that badly, that’s why most people are putting Josh Thole in their hypothetical packages, who has spent the last 3 years putting up OPS’s of .808 (A+, 2008), .816 (AA, 2009), .752 (MLB, 2009), and .783 (AAA, 2010).

    “and second off, you should read carefully before commenting because it says it seems like he’s been in AAA that long, cause that is how long he’s been talked about.”

    Yeah, he’s been a prospect since the time he was 16 years old. That’s a bad thing how, exactly?

    “Either way just 1 first round pick in next years draft is better than getting that guy as a centerpiece, and the M’s would get 2! ”

    Uhh, no. Not even close.

  33. ReverendBlack 5 years ago

    Yeah, yeah, positional scarcity. Whatever.

    Hahaha. Case closed.

  34. ReverendBlack 5 years ago

    So to be clear, your position is that Fernando Martinez is a viable centerpiece in a trade with the Mariners in 2010 for Cliff Lee. That right?

    Otherwise what are you arguing with exactly? No one thinks Martinez is not a good prospect.

  35. Belandsexo 5 years ago

    And who would those be?

    We have Nick Franklin who is in low A ball and is a teenager. We don’t have 2 good SS prospects.

    Flores isn’t a shortstop anyway. He’s a future 3B or 1B when he fills out.

  36. oleosmirf 5 years ago

    the mets are not trading Flores, Mejia, Niese or Davis.

    I think you guys would take Thole, Tejada, Familia and guy like Nick Evans.

    that way you have a 23 y/o C and a 20 y/o SS that definitely starts for you right away and a very good defensive 1B with power who could be on your bench now and could start in 2011. Familia is the #2 SP in the mets system as well.

  37. Belandsexo 5 years ago

    The M’s just won’t do a deal like that. Thole isn’t that important to Seattle. He isn’t any better than Adam Moore who is currently in AAA.

    Evans isn’t a big leaguer.

    Tejada I like, but he isn’t a headliner in a deal like this. He’s a second piece.

    Familia has major control issues based on the numbers I’ve seen. Not that interested in him.

    If the Mets don’t want to give up a healthy Mejia or Flores, there just isn’t a deal to be done with them.

  38. bigpelflikesike123 5 years ago

    Fellow met fan… that is not a good trade at all the mariners would never accept. If u switch out Tejeda for flores then that deal gets done. Not enough credit is given to nick evans who plays a great 1b and hits for power. in double a he is hitting 285 with 14 hrs and 42 rbi’s… those are really good numbers.

  39. oleosmirf 5 years ago

    except Adam Moore doesnt have a .300 AVG in MLB career like Thole does. not to mention Thole is 3 years younger.

    look if you feel another team’s offer is better, than fine but Thole and Tejada alone are better than those 2 draft picks you keep. not to mention a 20 y/o SP

  40. ReverendBlack 5 years ago

    The question of whether Thole and Tejada are better than two potential picks in the abstract is largely irrelevant. The Mariners are trying to make a run at a title or two while they still have Ichiro et al under contract. So a guy like Thole for example might be younger than Moore, but the point is that they serve the same single need. There is no need for both, so Thole’s value to the Mariners decreases.

    You don’t necessarily just put together a few packages of your best overall talent and call it a day. The deal has to be fitted to the Mariner’s needs for it to be worth their time.

  41. Msforever 5 years ago

    Hahahah. No way Tole and Tejada are worth more than 2 first rounders.

  42. oleosmirf 5 years ago

    regardless I dont understand why a team is expected to give up so much for two months of Lee. Why Mariner fans expect to get more or the same return as the Indians got for Lee is extremely shortsighted.

    If the Twins dont give up Ramos, the Mets probably have the best offer on the table…

  43. ReverendBlack 5 years ago

    Because the Mariners know how much demand there is for a pitcher of that caliber on teams who are on the fringe. 3 months of that productions can make a world of difference, not even counting how valuable he’d be in the postseason. On top of that? Two draft picks for whoever gets him.

    Comparing an offer to the two draft picks the Ms would get isn’t a complete analysis.

  44. Yankees420 5 years ago

    “projects to be a hanley ramirez esque player.” You cannot possibly compare a prospect in A ball to the best SS in the game, sorry, but no.

  45. oleosmirf 5 years ago

    forget the draft pics…two prospects that have seen MLB time and done well in their short stay is much more valuable than 2 draft picks.

    again the Phllies never gave up a player like Niese or Davis for Lee and they would have had him for a year longer so why all of a sudden do the mariners expect a larger return. they will get less than what Philly gave up

  46. oleosmirf 5 years ago

    forget the draft pics…two prospects that have seen MLB time and done well in their short stay is much more valuable than 2 draft picks.

    again the Phllies never gave up a player like Niese or Davis for Lee and they would have had him for a year longer so why all of a sudden do the mariners expect a larger return. they will get less than what Philly gave up

  47. bigpelflikesike123 5 years ago

    I’m not the one making the caparison… scouts love this kid.

  48. iwishihadaclue 5 years ago

    To be honest i’ve read reports where scouts compared him to Miguel Cabrera. Wasnt some who just got drafted compared to Alex Rodriguez? These comparisons happen..a lot.

  49. mikefichera 5 years ago

    Actually if you check him out in regards to his size position and hitting style they are remarkably similiar. He is 17 years old and is dominating his league well below the age of the competition.

  50. mikefichera 5 years ago

    Actually if you check him out in regards to his size position and hitting style they are remarkably similiar. He is 17 years old and is dominating his league well below the age of the competition.

  51. oleosmirf 5 years ago

    what i am saying is it is comparable to the deal Philly made and better than holding on to him for the 2 picks as the chances those 2 draft picks turn out to be players like Thole and Tejada is way less than 50%

  52. The Mets seem higher on Tejada, but I wonder if your M’s would rather have the catcher in Thole.

    Tejada’s probably the better player/prospect right now, though.

  53. The Mets seem higher on Tejada, but I wonder if your M’s would rather have the catcher in Thole.

    Tejada’s probably the better player/prospect right now, though.

  54. Then sign me up, sir. Sign me up.

    Not for nothing, I thought your team was going to be great this year… I drafted 3 Mariners in my Fantasy league. Aardsma, Guti, and Jose Lopez. Wow. What happened?

  55. Then sign me up, sir. Sign me up.

    Not for nothing, I thought your team was going to be great this year… I drafted 3 Mariners in my Fantasy league. Aardsma, Guti, and Jose Lopez. Wow. What happened?

  56. ReverendBlack 5 years ago

    Mejia, Tejada, and a B-level is a deal I expect the Mariners would take every day. I would if I were them.

  57. ReverendBlack 5 years ago

    Mejia, Tejada, and a B-level is a deal I expect the Mariners would take every day. I would if I were them.

  58. Scott23 5 years ago

    Apparently you think the northwest baseball team is being managed by complete and dumb morons…..which they aren’t if your team doesn’t give them what they want he will go somewhere else who is willing fork over what the m’s want in return it’s that simple your team is not holding the cards the m’s our and its best you relize that

  59. Scott23 5 years ago

    Apparently you think the northwest baseball team is being managed by complete and dumb morons…..which they aren’t if your team doesn’t give them what they want he will go somewhere else who is willing fork over what the m’s want in return it’s that simple your team is not holding the cards the m’s our and its best you relize that

  60. Yankees420 5 years ago

    Then scouts are being extremely premature, and you using those scouts comparisons are also being premature.

  61. Yankees420 5 years ago

    Then scouts are being extremely premature, and you using those scouts comparisons are also being premature.

  62. ReverendBlack 5 years ago

    No idea who my team is supposed to be or what you’re trying to say. Mejia, Tejada, and a B-level is not enough in your eyes? Not sure why that would be.

  63. ReverendBlack 5 years ago

    No idea who my team is supposed to be or what you’re trying to say. Mejia, Tejada, and a B-level is not enough in your eyes? Not sure why that would be.

  64. Yankees420 5 years ago

    Ok, so comparing him to Cabrera instead somehow disproves my point that it is too early to being making such comparisons? All I’m saying is wait until he’s less than 3-4 years away from playing in the majors until we start saying he projects to be like “insert established superstar here.”

  65. Yankees420 5 years ago

    Ok, so comparing him to Cabrera instead somehow disproves my point that it is too early to being making such comparisons? All I’m saying is wait until he’s less than 3-4 years away from playing in the majors until we start saying he projects to be like “insert established superstar here.”

  66. snow15 5 years ago

    Assuming that Triunfel is going to stick at ss is a very bold assumption, and from what I have heard Flores doesnt project as a big league ss either

  67. snow15 5 years ago

    Assuming that Triunfel is going to stick at ss is a very bold assumption, and from what I have heard Flores doesnt project as a big league ss either

  68. iwishihadaclue 5 years ago

    I hear what you’re saying…but, you need to tell that to the scouts and people in baseball. We not the ones throwing it out there, they are. Why are you making a big fuss on comparisons anyway? lol. It happens all the time..they compared kobe and lebron to jordan, before they were even drafted. I’m sure if they compared your Montero to a Johnny Bench or Mike Piazza..you’d have no problem whatsoever.

  69. Yankees420 5 years ago

    No big fuss, I just believe that saying a player in A ball projects to be like the best SS in the game is premature, that’s all. And if I read a report that said Montero is comparable to either of those guys I would call it wishful thinking and unrealistic to place those kinds of expectations on a 21 year old kid.

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