Odds & Ends: Giants, D’Backs, Rivera, Ramos

Some links for Monday, before Mike Leake tries to restore order for the Reds…

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  1. TytheSportsGuy 5 years ago

    The Braves need Juan Pierre

  2. BravesRed 5 years ago

    “Few Braves fans would argue that GM Frank Wren shouldn’t consider players like Luke Scott and David DeJesus if the price is right.”

    That makes no sense.

    • NYBravosFan10 5 years ago

      Lol, prolly a typo. I know I wouldn’t argue with nabbing either of those guys.

    • Yankees420 5 years ago

      It makes sense, it’s just worded weirdly, he’s saying that Braves fans would like Wren to try and get a player like Scott or DeJesus if the price is right.

  3. mrsjohnmiltonrocks 5 years ago

    David DeJesus looks like the best available outfielder. Is Moore going to be smart and sell high?

    How about a bidding war between the Braves, Giants, Red Sox, Tigers, Padres, even the Mariners-hey, they have GOT to find someone that can hit, even if they are playing to stay out of last place.

    • Brad426 5 years ago

      Can’t see the Braves getting into a bidding war. I certainly like the idea of DeJesus in CF for the Braves, but not at the cost of giving up a couple of good prospects.

      All in all I just can’t see the Braves making any moves… not with Diaz coming back and Bobby’s track record of sticking with a guy even if he is sucking (i.e. McLouth). In fairness, I would have dropped Troy Glaus in May and benched Escobar in favor of a red-hot Infante and look at those guys now.

  4. RoleModel 5 years ago

    In the article about the Braves, it mentions the possibility of Alex Gordon from the Royals… With talks o Chipper retiring at the end of the season, I think this would be a GREAT idea. It sets you up with a possible long term 3rd baseman for the future, especially since their farm system doesn’t really have anyone that seems capable at any point in the near future.

    I wouldn’t mind giving up Schafer and another prospect for him, as Schafer isn’t doing much at all, granted he’s coming off that wrist injury from last year. It’d be a great deal in my opinion, and reduces the urgency that will come when Chipper retires.

    • small_ball_13 5 years ago

      Good idea except the fact that Gordon was sent to the minors to become an outfielder becuase of the hip problems and lack or range at third base. So not a valid idea.

      • atlantaspike 5 years ago

        And the Royals are never wrong about this sort of thing. “Talent evaluation superstars” is synonymous with the KC organization.

        In any event, Schafer has virtually no value right now. Even Moore ain’t gonna do that.

        • small_ball_13 5 years ago

          kinda hard to be wrong with that sort of thing. And they are a major league baseball team who is nearly half run by guy who were working for the braves under scherholtz. So as far as good diciasions go the royals have made alot of them. Considering their payroll and national league kinda of play in the american league while I might add still drawing a rather large crowd. even at there worse, and this is a team that hasen’t even sniffed the air in October while playing baseball since 1985 (world series champs) Besides i would rather see escobar become a 3rd basemen and bulk up a lil bit and hit some HR’s we have a few good looking prospects that can play SS

          • RoleModel 5 years ago

            That’s true, we do have a few SS prospects, and I think they drafted quite a few. I suppose they can also go the route of moving Prado to 3rd, and possibly look for a 2nd baseman? Anybody worthwhile for 2nd, you think?

          • small_ball_13 5 years ago

            in theory third base is a power hitting spot filled by someone with some range and a great accurate arm, aka (chipper) which is a great spot for a SS looking to bulk up. Arod, young. pardo can play it but i like him as a contact hitter with some power and he has become an amazing gold glove candidate at second and a prime leadoff hitter. I can see Escobar hitting HR’s in the upper teens lower 20’s to all parts of the park. but if something did happen, i like conrad, alot actually. Switch hitter with power and Grit. he couild be used as an everyday second basemen. or trade bate to get something in a package.

          • RoleModel 5 years ago

            That’s true, we do have a few SS prospects, and I think they drafted quite a few. I suppose they can also go the route of moving Prado to 3rd, and possibly look for a 2nd baseman? Anybody worthwhile for 2nd, you think?

  5. RiverKKiller999 5 years ago

    That would be a great line up for us.
    6.DeJesus or Scott

  6. bbxxj 5 years ago

    I would argue that trading for a red hot DeJesus or an Eric Hinske but worse (so far this year) clone in Scott is not in the Braves best interest. This opinion is built on the value of the players already on the team.

    In RF you have Heyward who is obviously not going anywhere and is in the middle of making the adjustments to pull himself out of his K filled slump of a couple weeks ago.

    In CF where you might put DeJesus, Cabrera has quietly become respectable posting back to back months of BA of .294 and .302 and OPS of .740 and .746 after a horid first month of .195/.287/.221. Now that isn’t world beating but because of his now suddenly decent bat and glove he doesn’t scream “Wren, replace me at once at the cost of any top prospects needed”. DeJesus would certainly be an upgrade at the plate but he wouldn’t upgrade the defense in CF and would be another LH bat in a lineup already crouded with lefties.

    In LF you have Hinske who is hitting .317/.383/.563/.946 against RHP and has historically hit RHP well. Pair him with career .900-OPS-vsLHP Matt Diaz coming off the DL soon and right handed Omar Infante who also hits LHP well and you have an extrement solid LFer AND a deep bench.

    So I say, stand pat and let the prospects develop in our system.

  7. RedSoxDynasty 5 years ago

    Something posters here could learn about patience is by looking at the only 3 double digit winners in the AL this year. Buchholz, Hughes, and Price are all gonna be all stars after going through early growing pains!

    • alphabet_soup5 5 years ago

      Doesn’t help at all that each of their teams are in the top 3 in runs scored…not denying they’re good pitchers.

      • 0bsessions 5 years ago

        Doesn’t hurt (Which I believe is the word you’re looking for) at all, no, but it also helps matters that two of them are in the top three for ERA in the AL, all three in the top 25 for WHIP (With Hughes just barely missing the top ten) and two of them are in the top ten in the AL in FIP (With price as #20). Not bad for league minimum guys that were written off early on.

    • i think we’re starting to see why their teams were so high on them, it looks like they’re all going to be aces after all. The younger players in baseball are starting to make an impact now, and it’s great to watch. Hughes, price, bucholz, heyward, tabata, alvarez, santana, posey, and strasburg.

      • RedSoxDynasty 5 years ago

        The next generation of stars looks great doesn’t it?

      • RedSoxDynasty 5 years ago

        The next generation of stars looks great doesn’t it?

  8. ATL_Mindset 5 years ago

    As a Braves fan, I think making an addition of Brett Myers or Ted Lilly would add more wins to the club than the addition of DeJesus. When Jurrjens comes back you could either A.) leave Medlin in the rotation with the risk of his arm being wasted by September (he is already at 70% of his total innings pitched from last year) or B.) leave KK in the rotation with the risk of…. well, you know :0) . To me, improve the team the most by replacing the weakest link. Braves are (I think) 4-10 when Kawikami’s on the hill. Adding a Myers/Lilly would make a good rotation better while also imrpoving an already nails bullpen. IMO

  9. ATL_Mindset 5 years ago

    That was my whole point… if you keep Medlin in the rotation the entire season then you run the risk of his arm being shot by September. Regardless of the rotation a bad start is bound to happen…. Medlin coming out of the pen to stop the bleeding early would be sick. Also, keep Medlin in the rotation and our back-up in case a starter goes down is KK (no thanks). All I was saying was, if the Braves are looking to aquire someone via trade I think Myers or Lilly would add more W’s to our win column than a Scott or DeJesus…. especially with Diaz coming back and Melky and Hinske holding it down as of late.

  10. BigJkean 5 years ago

    Whats the point of trading now. In this trade the braves would trade a pitcher. Why give away a pitcher that’s part of a top bullpen or starting rotation in the MLB just for another backup.The Braves fine with outfield. A super rookie in right (Jason Heyward), a player that will come around soon in center who will also be back from the DL soon (Nate McLouth), and then stud backups that share left field (and Melky Cabrera and Eric Hinske).

  11. BigJkean 5 years ago

    Chipper will never get out of his slump. Period. Place Omar Infante at the and let go of Chipper a bring up Fredie Freeman

    • alphabet_soup5 5 years ago

      Chipper could not get a hit the rest of the season and they still wouldn’t let him go. Besides that, he’s actually been doing pretty good lately.

      • BigJkean 5 years ago

        Braves fans go crazy for Chipper and he hasn’t done a bit since 2008

  12. BigJkean 5 years ago

    Just wondering, who agrees that Chipper is done and they should take him out NOW instead of when he retires. Now all he does is take up a spot on the roster and DL

  13. NYBravosFan10 5 years ago

    I’m not sure about trading for another outfielder. Jordan Schafer will get back on track eventually and I’m not sure who we would trade. We would have to drop either Melky or Nate which poses two problems. 1) Melky is raking right now 2)No one would want Nate. The Royals of course of plenty of washed-up Braves and after Mike Gonzalez I doubt Baltimore would want to have another Brave whose skills have taken a nose dive after leaving the Pirates.

    • inkstainedscribe 5 years ago

      Not at all sure McLouth will be ready to play when he’s eligible to come off the DL. He’ll almost certainly need some time on a rehab assignment.

      Unless he gets healthy and bounces back in a big way, he’s a candidate for DFA at the end of the season. What a mess.

  14. baseball1 5 years ago

    I just lost brain cells reading all of Red_Sox posts. Dude what in the heck are you thinking?
    first off, LOL at you trying to act like you know more about the braves then their own fans.

  15. jhawk90 5 years ago

    I don’t like the idea of using Ramos for half a season of Lee.

  16. Yankees420 5 years ago

    I hope Rivera is serious when he says he’d consider a 1 year deal. I have the utmost respect for the guy, but he is turning 41 and if Cashman can get him to sign a 1/~12MM deal with maybe a mutual option for a 2nd year that would be great.

    • I’d prefer to see that price drop down to about 10 mil, though that’s pushing it.

      • Yankees420 5 years ago

        Yeah, I’m not sure how much (if any) of a discount Mo will be willing to take, and all I really care about is that he stays effective and that the team doesn’t get locked in to too many years for a soon to be 41 year old closer. (even if it’s the greatest closer in the game)

  17. I know I’ve said this before, but I still believe the M’s jump all over a Ramos-for-Lee deal without thinking about it. So he strained an oblique. Big deal. He’ll be back.

  18. 1befuddledbravesfan2 5 years ago

    Wow, just about some of the most outrageous suggestions I have heard in a long time. Glaus at SS?! Hoo boy it’s entertaining when the Sox fans try and play GM. Stick to what you know baked beans, clam chowder, Ben Affleck movies… Leave the Braves to toil away in first place, roster is fine.

  19. I like DeJesus but if the asking price is too high the Braves should consider outfielders from Seattle or Arizona, who are both 13 games out of first place and should be looking to shed some payroll and pick up some prospects.

    Franklin Gutierrez plays impeccable defense and should OPS in the mid .700s. Gutierrez is owed about $17 million over the next 3 years. Seattle would probably need to be blown away to part with him, but you never know.

    Chris Young is having a career year, which makes the $23 million owed to him over the next 3 years look almost reasonable. He has speed and power and plays a decent center field. This would be a big gamble for Atlanta, as Young has a Jeff Francoeur-like .312 career OBP. Wow. I just looked up Francoeurs career OBP…also .312. Creepy.

  20. bravobraves 5 years ago

    i still think the bravos should try to trade for a pitcher that they can plug in the rotation and get quality starts from. KK is pitching great but just has bad luck with wins. medlen is good and all but can his arm hold up. maybe we should flip one of our top pitching products for a mid-top tier pitcher to help make a run at the pennant. put KK and medlen in the ‘pen to complete one of the best ‘pens in the leagues

    • If the Braves are going to deal a top level pitching prospect it had better be for an inexpensive position player who can swing the bat and will also be under team control for several years. Teheran, Delgado and Viscaino should all be off limits for any trade talks.

  21. RiverKKiller999 5 years ago

    Obviously you’re the 1 that doesn’t know what you’re talking about.McLouth is on the DL !

  22. RiverKKiller999 5 years ago

    I can’t think of any 1 that would want KK in there rotation.Any ideas?

  23. RiverKKiller999 5 years ago

    lol You lost me when you said put Glaus @ SS? He doesn’t have any range compared to Escobar @ SS.I mean of course that would improve that offense but we gotta have defense too ya know?

  24. BigJkean 5 years ago

    Troy Glaus at short stop. Yeah right. Maybe Brian McCann in Center. LOL

  25. alphabet_soup5 5 years ago

    Glaus has started 8 of his career 1,479 games at shortstop. Vlad Guerrero and Hideki Matsui have both played CF in their careers, do you think it’d be a good idea to have them try out an old position also?

  26. gocrazy 5 years ago

    I would start watching Braves games if Troy Glaus played SS.

  27. Glaus hasn’t even played 3B regularly in about a year and a half, let alone the second most important defensive position is baseball? Might as well have the Brewers play Fielder at SS so Escobar can ride the pine… hahaha

  28. you do know the padres are legit this year and most likely wont trade gonzalez?

  29. j6takish 5 years ago

    Troy Glaus has turned into what could be the best 1.75mm ever spent

  30. BravesRed 5 years ago

    1) Stop typing. 2) That’s not what I was referring too. What I was referring to is him saying how Cox leaves sucky players in the game and don’t bench them.

  31. fatcow21 5 years ago

    Yes your right, these would all be great ideas if you were playing mlb 2k10 on xbox buddy… unfortunately we all the disadvantage of living in reality… which is something that you are obviously not in touch with.

  32. small_ball_13 5 years ago

    haha I know your joking….well for the sake of the baseball gods i hope you are.

  33. BigJkean 5 years ago

    maybe when he wasn’t a 300 lb power hitter

  34. RiverKKiller999 5 years ago

    Yeah so what ? Kris Medlen has played SS before too .It doesn’t mean its a possibility …

  35. BigJkean 5 years ago

    another thought is how the heck will they afford troy again

  36. RiverKKiller999 5 years ago

    Ummmm …NO .Freeman still needs seasoning in the minors and could possibly start with the Braves next year unless we resign Glaus.Why would we call him up when Chipper is FINALLY starting to hit the ball better????Thats just stupid.

  37. BigJkean 5 years ago

    Not a bad idea

  38. R_y_a_n 5 years ago

    Troy Glaus barely has an arm to play anywhere in the field, let alone 3B.

  39. BigJkean 5 years ago

    Doesn’t hitting prospect sound better then DL player

  40. ReD_SoX 5 years ago

    Medlen probably could play SS again, but he would be able to hit that good. Matt Diaz is our backup catcher if McCann can’t play and David Ross can’t. I hear Joe Simpson and Chip Cary talk about that allllll the time

  41. BigJkean 5 years ago

    he got to the MLB because he was a pitcher. Not a hitter. Escobar made it for hitting.

  42. RiverKKiller999 5 years ago

    LOL…Why would you listen to Joe and Chip? Chip is dumb as hell.He is nothing like his father Skip Carey.I hate his stupidity talk.Fisted,Petco Pecker haha ect.Diaz back up catcher? LOL funny thing because if McCann or Ross were to go down don’t ya think the Braves would call up a real catcher 1st like Chris Sammons(even though he sucks)?Listening to Chip talk is like listening to Joe Morgan.

  43. BigJkean 5 years ago

    A DH is for Veterans that can still hit but can’t field. At least for the most part

  44. BigJkean 5 years ago

    Ken Griffey Jr will get to the hall but he hasnt played a lot yet

  45. RiverKKiller999 5 years ago

    Of course it does but Chipper isn’t on the DL (right now anyways) and as long as he’s hitting the ball well the Braves win alot as well.But why rush Freeman into the Majors?We have Glaus (who’s killing the ball) and Chipper (Who is edging outta his slump if you wanna call it and hitting the ball better.)Freeman is only 20 yrs old.There’s no need in rushing him up unless some 1 like Glaus or Chipper goes down with an injury (hope they don’t though).

  46. ReverendBlack 5 years ago

    They wouldn’t. Because no one would want Nava.

    Of course, if you read his comment, he didn’t suggest trading Nava.

  47. 0bsessions 5 years ago

    Cameron was on the DL, not suspension.

  48. Yankees420 5 years ago

    Matsui definitely cannot play CF, no way no how. I love the guy and have his autograph but he can barely play LF anymore with his knees.

  49. start_wearing_purple
    start_wearing_purple 5 years ago

    You never know, there’s always some GM who gets lured in by a rookie on a hit streak. If the Sox pull off a larger deal I wouldn’t be shocked if Nava became the last name added. That said, I know that Nava has absolutely no trade value.

  50. 0bsessions 5 years ago

    Then you’re still wrong. He was suspended in ’08 and it was 25 games, not 50.

  51. vtadave 5 years ago

    Luke Scott is pretty much NOT a Vlad Guerrero.

  52. Oh, did Luke Scott all of a sudden gain the freakish ability to go get a pitch miles out of the strike zone and drive it 400 feet? Darn. =P

  53. No, you don’t.

  54. You’ve proven that you know plenty about player’s past positions.

    What you’ve also proven is that you are stupid enough to believe that, based on the past of a player, he can play a specific position based upon that. That, sir, is not how it works.

  55. crashcameron 5 years ago

    what you’re saying is how incredibly little you know about the red sox

  56. redsandyanksfan 5 years ago

    thats like Saying Gary Sheff can still play shortstop him and his 42 year old body because he was a shortstop but there is NO WAY he could be anything than left fielder/Dh/ First basemen,

  57. redsandyanksfan 5 years ago

    thats like Saying Gary Sheff can still play shortstop him and his 42 year old body because he was a shortstop but there is NO WAY he could be anything than left fielder/Dh/ First basemen,

  58. crashcameron 5 years ago

    I’d start watching the brewers if Prince played shortstop!!

  59. what are you talking about, the padres are great this year, there is zero reason for them to deal gonzalez now.

  60. what are you talking about, the padres are great this year, there is zero reason for them to deal gonzalez now.

  61. or how incredibly little he knows about baseball, i keep reading his crazy posts and after each one he’s getting destroyed by anyone on this site.

  62. or how incredibly little he knows about baseball, i keep reading his crazy posts and after each one he’s getting destroyed by anyone on this site.

  63. NL_East_Rivalry 5 years ago

    emergency catchers are used for in-game emergencies. Say you use Ross to Pinch hit, then McCann gets hurt, you can’t call someone up in the middle of the game. Conrad and Diaz give us those emergency catchers that you never want to use. Last year we had our pitchers pinch-hit and I’m sure we would have one play the field IF needed in emergency.

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