New York Notes: Pettitte, Mets, Collins, Crawford

The Yankees would like a certain left-handed starter and the Mets are looking for the right minority owner. Here's the latest on baseball's two New York teams:

  • Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports wonders if Andy Pettitte will demand more than Hiroki Kuroda money ($12MM) from the Yankees. The Bronx Bombers are reportedly set to offer the left-hander $12MM to play another season.
  • Martin Luther King III told the Atlanta Journal-Constitution that he has interest in advancing "the vision of a more diverse ownership group in professional sports."
  • Mets owner Fred Wilpon "is expected" to meet with commissioner Bud Selig in New York tomorrow, according to Peter Botte of the New York Daily News.
  • A number of baseball officials tell Joel Sherman of the New York Post that the Wilpons are "delusional" if they expect to sell just part of the franchise without losing operating power.
  • Sherman suggests the success of the upcoming Mets season depends on how well their expensive players produce or how much they bring in July trades.
  • Sherman writes that Mets manager Terry Collins does not appear to have the same 'gravitas' as Bobby Cox, or even Joe Girardi.
  • Carl Crawford's deal does not prevent a team from acquiring the left fielder and flipping him to the Yankees, according to Alex Speier of Crawford can block trades to two teams thanks to the no-trade protection in his contract.

81 Responses to New York Notes: Pettitte, Mets, Collins, Crawford Leave a Reply

  1. John Gyna 5 years ago

    As a Mets fan, I would love a superstar owner to come in and take over.

  2. MofoOne 5 years ago

    Yes would love for Mark Cuban to buy it.

  3. …why is it important that Crawford could technically be on the Yankees at some point? Random.

    • Lunchbox45 5 years ago

      you act like Alex Speier has ever said anything relevant

      • RedSox31 5 years ago

        Actually, Speier is one of the more knowledgeable sports writers around.

      • He wrote three small paragraphs on a rumored clause in Crawford’s contract that turned out to be nonexistant… seeing as how the rumor surfaced recently, and Speier writes for the Red Sox, I’d say that’s perfectly relevant.

        Sorry to pick on you in particular, I just think the trend of trashing sportswriters because it’s the cool thing to do is getting really tiresome.

        • Lunchbox45 5 years ago

          I didn’t think it was cool. I still don’t enjoy his writings and therefore felt I was perfectly in my right to voice my opinion

          • So then what exactly about this article did you not find relevant?

          • Lunchbox45 5 years ago

            if you re – read my post, you’ll see that I commented on Alex in general. Not particularly this article..

            That being said, trade speculation and contract clauses to figure out if Carl Crawford could one day be a Yankee is a complete waste of time.

          • PJaysW 5 years ago

            yea but i betcha the two teams on his no trade clause are the last two with turf…

          • Lunchbox45 5 years ago

            That would make the most sense

          • I did read your post, and you said “ever”, which isn’t in general, it’s all-inclusive.

            There wasn’t any speculation in Speier’s article at all, in fact there wasn’t even one opinion about anything in it. I’m not trying to beat this point to death, it just seems unnecessary to bash the guy for writing a harmless article clearing up a misunderstanding about a contract clause.

          • Lunchbox45 5 years ago

            I accept your apology

          • amen brother

    • Muggi 5 years ago

      It’s from a rumor of a strange clause in his contract that whatever team he was traded to could not turn and flip him to the Yankees. Apparently the clause does not exist.

      • start_wearing_purple 5 years ago

        I thought it sounded strange, I’d think that any clause that states a third party can’t get involved would be something the MLB would strike down.

        • East Coast Bias 5 years ago

          You guys, Crawford’s coming to the Bronx!! Everything we said about him losing his value when his speed declines was just a joke haha you fell for it! I heard a rumor (started by myself) that the Angels are willing to flip him to the Yanks AND take on most of the salary relief. Yankees fans, our offseason is saved, now Cashman can stay yay!!

    • Pete 5 years ago

      I bet one of the teams on his no-trade list is Oakland. The A’s are what the Indians were in the 80s right now, it’s like being punished to go play there. It sure does suck being a fan currently, at least the team is good this year :/

  4. bbxxj 5 years ago

    Though I enjoy seeing misfortune fall on the Mets, I think this forced frugalness on the Mets from the ownership situation will be a good thing long term for the health of their org. Their centerfielder and shortstop could very likely be traded this year and though they are losing bad contracts/players in their closer, ‘left handed starter’, and secondbasemen those positions still need to be filled somehow. Also I guess its in the realm of possibilty that Bay, Wright or Santana could be traded, though its unlikely any go, and need to be replaced. With all of this turnover and limited funds (if the rumormongers are telling the truth) the new front office will be forced to use the farm system and shrewd trades/signings to put a good team on the field. I have a feeling this will be painful for a few years with some bad seasons but if an org can get into the mindset of filling a team with homegrown players and trades first and then spending on free agents to fill only a few holes the team can be healthier in the long run.

    • MetsEventually 5 years ago

      Preach it dude. This organizational change (GM and Managers) should have taken place after the 08 collapse. The only hope this organization has is really Reyes and Beltran having excellent season and being traded for top prospects (Not saying a Julio Teheran or a Mike Trout).

      Also, Wright won’t be traded. Bay can’t be moved. Santana could be traded, later…

      • start_wearing_purple 5 years ago

        I gotta think if some team makes a serious offer for Wright and the Mets are out of contention then the Mets might take it seriously. Of course, new leadership at GM, it’s not always easy to guess the moves.

      • East Coast Bias 5 years ago

        Beltran, yes. Reyes, I would work on a multi year deal with. You see how rare good shortstops are in the league…

  5. MetsEventually 5 years ago

    Bill Gates and the Microsoft Mets? Donald Trump and the Mets Towers?

    • Encarnacion's Parrot 5 years ago

      New York Windows Vista’s and New York Apprentices.

  6. metsman 5 years ago

    so the jist of this post is that it’s a forgone conclusion the Mets lose their stars, the Wilpons lose their control of their team, the manager they just hired has no personality or at least an inferior one to the Yankees manager; the Yankees who (despite having a bad offseason) we must still all note can have Carl Crawford if they so choose. So when it’s the Yankees they try and shine a turd, but with the Mets, come one down! pour on the misery, even if it’s substanceless speculation and conjecture, all it has to be is negitive. have a completely arbitrary and pointless personality appraisal of our new manager that favors the Yankee’s? throw that in there for good measure!

    • TimotheusATL 5 years ago

      In fairness, there’s not many managers who have ever stepped on the field who have had the gravitas of Bobby Cox.

      • true, but what is the point of writing an article about it? and joe girardi? please

        • TimotheusATL 5 years ago

          It’s a total puff piece. I assume Sherman’s purpose is to attempt to rile up Mets and Yankees fans alike who read the paper.

          High on words, low on content.

          • ellisburks 5 years ago

            “attempt to rile up Mets and Yankees fans alike who read the paper.”
            Should read as follows: “attempt to rile up Mets and Yankees fans alike who can read the paper.”

  7. marvelousmarvin 5 years ago

    More typical Joel Sherman. Stirring up the muck of what’s already been said and done. Speculating as a means to create his desired outcome.Plenty of companies sell a part of their business every day. Sometimes they get bowled over with an offer for the whole thing. Nothing is a foregone conclusion as Joel Sherman, investment banker, writes.

    If Sherman wants to really see a lack of presence and commanding respect, he has that opportunity every morning when he shaves.

    • YanksFanSince78 5 years ago

      Maybe I’m just being contrary today. I see the article as being relevant.

      The Madoff scandal was sensational and effected a great number of wealthy and powerful ppl. Usually it’s the blue collar guy, the retired or the environment that gets screwed by “the man”. In this case it’s the wealthy getting screwed by the wealthier (Madoff).

      Considering the dire state of affairs in the Mets organization and the fact that they have been rather quite this winter it seems there’s a correlation as to what’s happened with this Madoff scandal and the news that they may be forced to give up $1 billion to satisfy the lawsuit.

      To me this has as much relevance as the McCourt divorce proceeding’s or the drama surrounding the Rangers sale earlier this year. It has a stunningly direct effect on how they go about constructing or destructing the Mets team over the next year or two.

    • alxn 5 years ago

      Perhaps you should actually read the article, or at least look up what “speculating” means.

  8. jwsox 5 years ago

    This is screaming mark cuban but so is the dodgers but we all know that bud selig and his boys club will do everything they can to keep cuban out even though him buying a team would be good for baseball..that way its not only the yankees and bosox that get all the top free agents. Besides how many owners are actually loved by their players….cuban is one of the few

  9. if mlk buys mets ill puke it seems its just about being a first black owner then the actual team he has no bussiness even in this.. im pulling for charles wang this guys been getting screwed on long island for years trying to spend money. wang the man for the mets in my eyes..

    • YanksFanSince78 5 years ago

      MLK III probably is a small investor in this group. If anyone bothers to read the articles written about this group it’s clear that Larry Meli and others “deep pockets” exist. MLK III is the name you hear because of his cache. I would doubt he would have anymore influence on the day to day dealings than Usher has with the Cavs, Jay Z has with the Mets or Nelly has with the Bobcats.

      I’m uncomfortable with the tone some of you are taking about this, ESPECIALLY since MLK III has NOT made any indicting statements about race and the MLB. He never said AA or any others were KEPT from being owners. Stop being so sensitive.

  10. wickedkevin 5 years ago

    Excuse me while I make a joke in my head about Martin Luther King having a dream for diversity in MLB ownership.

  11. Green_Monster 5 years ago

    Red Sox and Yankees trading with each other? That’s crazy, especially when its involving Crawford

    • i remember that CRAZY trade where the Sox sent Sparky Lyle to the Yanks for Danny Cater. hope they get crazy again!

    • YanksFanSince78 5 years ago

      The alleged clause was more about scenatios where the Sox traded CC to another team and that team wanted to trade CC to the Yanks. The alleged clause would’ve been able to prevent that.

  12. Does anyone else find it sad that Kuroda got more than Pavano did?

  13. MadmanTX 5 years ago

    Since the Yankees are such big spenders, let’s see them open their bank vaults a little more for Andy. Make em give up 5 yrs/90 mil or one year at 20 mil.

  14. NYC10022 5 years ago

    The Yankees have been good to Pettitte. He’s made a lot of money and won a lot of games and they stood by him during his PED admission. He did pitch well last year, but he is 39 and broke down last year. 1 year at $12 or $13 million (pro-rated) is a fair deal.

  15. YanksFanSince78 5 years ago

    The NBA is predominantly black. The NHL is predominantly non-black, non-hispanic and non-asian. I have zero problem making those statements. They are such because those sports have historically appealed to those races, thus making those races the most talented group for that sport. The moment kids in Harlem take to hockey at an early age, start playing it on the HS/college levels and show an above average ability to play the sport then those numbers will gradually change. All leagues are concerned more with the ability and talent level of player “A” than they are about race.

    That being said, the NBA is predominatly black because the most talented players tend to be black. It wasn’t that way 30-40 years ago because the NBA didn’t integrate until 1950 and even then players trickled in slowly. Add to the fact that until a court ruling in 1971 vs the NBA, all NBA draftees had to finish 4 year of college eligibility before being eligible for the NBA draft coupled with the fact that there weren’t a lot of African Americans attending Division I schools then you have your reasons as to why there weren’t a lot of AA’s in the NBA prior to the 70’s.

    The NBA is becoming more international because the game has become more popular around the world. As time progresses, the % of blacks vs non-blacks will change accordingly. No one is blocking anyone from playing. As long as you have the talent then a team will find a place for you. Right now there’s probably a kid in Siberia who has a poster of Kevin Durant on his wall and he dreams of being the 1st kid native of Siberia to play for Mikhail Prokhorov.

  16. Victor Kipp 5 years ago

    As if the Red Sox are going to trade Crawford anytime soon. Besides that fact his contract is so large that only 2 other teams could afford him on their own anyway. He hasn’t even played a game for the Sox yet. I think if the Red Sox were at some conclusion to trade him it would because he was so bad a player at that point they wouldn’t care where he went, but that is unlikely as well.

  17. YanksFanSince78 5 years ago

    Rule #101: If you lose an arguement…deflect…deflect…deflect!!!

  18. metsman 5 years ago

    In point of fact, it seems everyone hates Reyes till they think of having him on their team, then all the sudden they want to see the Mets forced to trade him. I don’t buy into this crap I think things are finally starting to head in the right direction in Queens and the baseball world doesn’t want to be without its self depricating Mets fans.

  19. TimotheusATL 5 years ago

    OK, I gotta ask. Is it the braces?

  20. Oilcanoworms 5 years ago

    That made me smile.

  21. i understand what ur saying but wang knows u have to spend money to make it which in baseball is key with no cap.. via ny yankees

  22. YanksFanSince78 5 years ago

    I guess if a $1 billion dollar lawsuit that will force the Wilpons out of being majority owners “is the right direction” then yeah. Suck itup dude. Yanks went thru being the laughing stock of NY from the mid-80’s to the early 90’s. Things can’t get worse.

  23. 0bsessions 5 years ago

    Things can most assuredly get worse. They could see Alderson as that sliver of hope on the horizon. He could look like he’ll be that guy who’ll come in and pull them out of decades of “also-ran” status. And then, when the sun seems brightest and you’re almost there, he could hire Grady Little and it’s all been for nothing.

    The only thing worse than hopelessness is false hope leading to crushing hopelessness.

  24. guydavis 5 years ago

    “Yanks went thru being the laughing stock of NY from the mid-80’s to the early 90’s”. And they’re soon to go through it again…

  25. metsman 5 years ago

    “dude” the Wilpons losing control of the Mets might be the greatest offseason move this franchise could concieve of, not to mention our three GMs are better than most teams one. We have 2 players in Pagan and Dickey that are capable of performing on the level of players who have demanded laughable salaries in the past few years. We have a great new ballpark, (your team used to have a great one), all we need is health to remind baseball of the calliber players in our line-up and all the nay sayers will disapear. I should start a list of all the Mets trolls on here and laugh in your face when we win the wild card this year. PS; Being overly cynical and pessimistic is a transparent attempt at feigning wisdom.

  26. YanksFanSince78 5 years ago

    Well yeah…Grady Little would be worse. I meant that if the worse case scenario regarding the Madoff/Wilpon issues is the Wilpons being forced to sell majority ownership then that could bring about a positive result. An even worse scenario would be the Wilpons staying as majority owners IMO.

    If I knew back in 80’s that all it took to get “The Boss” out of making day to day decisions was for him to be part of a scandal then I would gone all “CSI” on him and planted a dead hooker, finger prints, DNA and a smoking gun. I would’ve even sprinkled crack around the hooker’s dead body to make it “drug related”.

    joking RIP.

  27. The Mets are in NY, they should have no problems generating cash for payroll. It’d be suspicious if the Mets all of a sudden stopped spending at least 100 Million in salary each year at this point with the ticket prices at Citi and having SNY. Any owner will have to spend money in New York. The reason why the Mets suck so much now is because of that money spent the wrong way with bad decisions from the Wilpons and former GM Omar Minaya and listening to Bud Selig.

    One thing I do know is if you invite Wang to be the owner of the Mets you will only worsen the problem of a meddling owner, Wang requires all financial decisions for the Islanders to go through a Committee of non-Hockey people including himself and ended up firing a GM just a a little over a month into the job because he couldn’t follow his absurd management style.

  28. Snoochies8 5 years ago

    they may not have THE strongest rotation, but it’ll still be solid if their #4/5 slots even put up below-average to decent numbers. The offense (outside of granderson and gardner) is getting to be a little old but is still plenty good enough to carry that rotation

    then again you could just be joking and i wasn’t able to tell…

  29. Snoochies8 5 years ago

    I always read these threads too late! so many comments are removed before i could read them (no matter how stupid they are, the fact that they’re removed makes me wanna read them more)

  30. YanksFanSince78 5 years ago


    “……laugh in your face when we win the wild card this year.”.


    Being overly gullible and optimistic

    is a sign of being a homeristic Met fan or rampant drug abuser…… are you “huffing”?

    Even Charlie Sheen doesn’t see the Mets finishing higher than 3rd and he does wayyyyyyyyyyyy more drugs than you (probably).

  31. YanksFanSince78 5 years ago

    I would hope 3 GMs would be better than 1. Is that the Mets front office plan. Higher 3 ppl to do the job of 1 and hope for right decisions to come from them? What if the 3 GMs each have 3 different opinions? Rock, paper, sissors?

  32. Guest 5 years ago

    You got a problem with Carlos Irwin Estevez?

  33. YanksFanSince78 5 years ago

    Nope. I don’t do drugs but I can drink with the best and I hear he has some of the best Hollywood pootang money can buy.

  34. Guest 5 years ago

    Im pretty sure Two and a half men is based on his life. Work a few times a week, get absolutely hammered and go after anything with a pulse.

  35. Guest 5 years ago

    Thumbwrestle battle royal

  36. guydavis 5 years ago

    Would you reread what you just wrote here? Reread it and think about whether anything you’ve said is of substance.

  37. guydavis 5 years ago

    Give it a few years. Should be a laugh to see a 38 year old shortstop and 36 year old 3B (and that’s just in 2012). But hey, it’s not like their numbers have regressed at all, right?

  38. YanksFanSince78 5 years ago

    It absolutely does when you consider it was in reference to this…..

    “…. the Wilpons losing control of the Mets might be the greatest offseason move this franchise could concieve of, not to mention our three GMs are better than most teams one”.

  39. East Coast Bias 5 years ago

    Jeter won’t be playing shortstop in the latter stages of his career. Most likely left field. And A-Rod will be DHing in his twilight years, for sure.

    Look man, I get it, you’re a hater, it’s what you do… but at least give the front office SOME credit for making the blatantly obvious decisions. Jeez.

  40. guydavis 5 years ago

    Jeter in LF and A-Rod DH’ing doesn’t make me laugh any less. Can you imagine the numbers they’ll be putting up for those positions? Let alone the question can Jeter play LF as a 38+ year old?

    I’m not a hater actually, although I am a Mets fan and I’m liable to defend them (by any means possible) when they’re under attack.

  41. woadude 5 years ago

    Not a hater but I have stated numerous times that the Yankees signed players with no regards to how old they are when the contract is half over….best player I ever saw was Ken Griffey Jr. this guy if he didnt get hurt all the time would of been in the 700 club easily, point is he was 38 and 39 and he couldnt get a ball out of the infield and retired mid season to keep some of his dignity going to cooperstown, A-Rod with his hip will be far less productive at that age.

  42. guydavis 5 years ago

    Just because what he said was stupid you come back with a stupid response? The Mets have one GM and two highly regarded FO guys working under him. Yeah, why not have the three of them, three heads are better than one and when they disagree Sandy Alderson gets the deciding vote. Can’t believe you asked the question and can’t believe I had to answer it.

  43. MaineSox 5 years ago

    Yeah man, would you be serious for a minute? This isn’t a laughing matter. How dare you come on here and kid around with someone?? Sheesh…

  44. metsman 5 years ago

    yeah as in JP Ricciardi, DePodesta, and Alderson are all former GM’s,what I wrote wasn’t “stupid”, it was the person reading it. ALso I would say your Yankees are in much rougher shape speaking of front offices. Brain Cash isn’t much of a man when he isn’t sweeping his mistakes under the rug with a blank check.

  45. MaineSox 5 years ago

    That’s just it, you didn’t HAVE to answer it. You could (should) have left it alone.

  46. YanksFanSince78 5 years ago

    Hahaha….I was making light of his statement that “My 3 GMs are better than any other teams 1″. If you can’t find the humor in that then that’s your problem.

  47. East Coast Bias 5 years ago

    But you weren’t defending. You were attacking.

    Anyway, yeah I wasn’t a huge fan of the Jeter signing going forward, but I understand that it had to be done because of all he’s done for the organization. Sometimes, you have to make that deal. But A-Rod should still put up numbers in his latter stages. And I’m okay with that at around 20m per.

    But I’d worry about vesting options for relievers if I was you.

  48. Infield Fly 5 years ago

    That’s not “affirmative action.” That’s the media and its hot-button topic sniffers at ‘work.’ They’re spinning things and writing what they think sells. However, none of us are under any obligation to embrace their version of reality as “truth.”

  49. YanksFanSince78 5 years ago

    You really want to count mistakes? The Mets check book is just as deep and your carpet looks like a mountain right now.

  50. Dbeard 5 years ago

    Arod having hip problems, sounds like lowell. Lowell is 36 right now. attempted to DH with hip problems…how did that turn out?

  51. woadude 4 years ago


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