AL East Links: Lowell, Guerrero, Jeter

This round of Monday afternoon links includes updates on one player who is leaving the AL East, one who is just arriving in it and one who has played his entire career there…


  • Redsoxn8tion

    Lowell’s a class act. We’ll miss you in Boston buddy. Thanks for the hard work.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_4WTMQEGIAIRAZ6QR3T6FHYNVZE Adam G

    Hey Lowell, Can you pitch?

    – B. Cashman

    • The_Silver_Stacker

      Do we really have to see the same joke everday?

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_4WTMQEGIAIRAZ6QR3T6FHYNVZE Adam G

        Hey NYY4288, Can you pitch?

        – B Cashman

        • EdinsonPickle

          I CAN PITCH! I’ll gladly take a minor-league deal with an invite to Spring Training! Make it happen Cashman.

  • MaineluvstheSox

    Same here. The best.

  • NomarGarciaparra

    As a Sox fan, I was really hoping the Yanks would sign Jeter to $150M/6 or whatever he was asking for.

    Honestly though, Jeter got what he deserves after posting the career lows (or near career lows) in AVG, OBP, SLG, and OPS. Nevertheless, Jeter is a great player, and the best thing about him, he stays healthy. The only season he played less than 148 games was in 2003. His $189M/10 contract will definitely stand as one of the most successful $100 million dollar signings, along with Manny’s $160M/8 and Pujols’ $100M/7.

    • ellisburks

      The thing is he didn’t get what he deserved. He got more than he deserved for the reasons you have stated. Career worst in pretty much everything and he is still going to be the highest paid “shortstop” in MLB.

      • johnsilver

        I agree. 36 YO SS That hit like he did last season and with his limited range (joke GG included) makes Michael Young’s remaining 3/48m look like a bargain which is the identical amount Jeter will get until 2013.

        No chance Jeter gets 1/3 of that on the open market.

    • bcimmet

      “Deserves.”

      Why do we argue that players don’t “deserve” a big contract after having many average years followed by one good year (Beltre, Pavano, Burnett, etc.), but then also that players don’t “deserve” a big contract after having many good years followed by one average year?

      For that matter, people now think in retrospect that Alex Rodriguez doesn’t “deserve” his monster contract after having several fantastic seasons — now that he’s getting older and not producing the same results.

      Yet — on these boards, most people argue that the Cardinals should pay Albert Pujols handsomely because he’s been so good for so long, and relatively underpaid for that effort. What if he gets $30MM/season, but turns into a .290/30/90 player? Will he get a bum rap?

      • NomarGarciaparra

        A player doesn’t deserve a big contract after many average years followed by one good year is quite logical to me. Only time will tell, but my guess is that in the next few years, Beltre goes back to being a .275/20HR player. We saw what happened after his monster season in 04, followed by mediocre season in Seattle. Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me.

        The difference between Pujols and Jeter is that we know Jeter is in decline. Not only has Pujols been consistently good throughout his entire career, but he also put up good numbers last year, as opposed to Jeter who put up career worsts last year. If Pujols hit .280/25HR/90RBI, then he would have no chance at getting $300M/10. People would speculate that he may be dropping off.

        People are not saying that Pujols will be good throughout his potential 10 year contract. It would be ridiculous to think that he will continue putting up .315/35HR/120RBI through his late 30s and early 40s. However, in this market, you have to pay up, especially after A-Rod established the $275M mark. Both players are overpaid, but Pujols will be overpaid because of A-Rod’s contract. When A-Rod signed his $275M/10 contract with the Yankees, the Yankees were bidding against themselves. Which other team was prepared to pay him that much? He didn’t deserve that contract then, and he surely doesn’t deserve it now.

        Pujols doesn’t deserve $300M/10 either, but because of what A-Rod got, it justifies Pujols getting $300M/10.

  • MaineluvstheSox

    Lowell was the best.

    • start_wearing_purple

      I remember hating the trade at the time but it somehow turned into one of the most even trades ever. Lowell was really fun to watch at third. I remember one game I was watching on tv, foul pop up less than 10 feet from Varitek and Lowell charged in, slid, and made a truly spectacular grab.

      He won’t make the Hall but I still think he was one of the best defensive third basemen I’ll ever see.

      • NomarGarciaparra

        “turned into one of the most even trades ever”

        True true true. Marlins got a perennial All-Star shortstop (which the Red Sox desperately needs right now), and the Red Sox got two players who contributed greatly to the 2007 title.

      • MaineluvstheSox

        My daughter was living in Tampa at the time of the trade. She knows a little about baseball and she said you don’t know how good Beckett is. Of course he was aces out at the time. Then she said Lowell is great too. Fortunately she’s back here rooting for the Sox.

      • johnsilver

        Agreed. For the people who got to watch him on a regular basis with the Fish earlier in his career, Mikey was a really slick fielder back in 2003-5 I thought and was fearless. The true team leader.

        Was glad if they did trade him it was going to be to Boston, cause he always was a class act.

      • eneff

        I’m a high school coach and Yankees fan… but when I’m coaching my third basemen I tell them to watch footage of Mike Lowell… Legit defender and even better guy.

      • Redsoxn8tion

        I don’t know. I think Lowell might eventually make the hall. Probably not on the 1st couple years he’s eligible though

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_5HEOU4SYRXP2LUDP7NKRUUR5ZQ Steve

    My next door neighbor looks exactly IDENTICAL to Lowell. From a Yanks fan I always liked him he was classy.

  • Tim

    Orioles off-season FTW. Spring can’t come quick enough.

  • http://risingapple.com Moebarguy

    Man, that Derek Jeter is really something else. I’m glad he’s done feeling hurt by the Yankees extremely generous contract. Sheesh.

    • FrankTheFunkasaurusRex

      what a class act

  • eponine

    had no idea he even felt hurt still. wow. to say that in the middle of one of the worst recessions in history where unemployment is sky high really is insensitive. you know what, I am hurt.

  • YanksFanSince78

    No need to defend Jeter but really, just because the public feels he sucks, doesn’t mean HE thinks he sucks or that the ppl around him feel that way either. I imagine whatever was said to him was similar to what is being said to others during the arbitration process. The fact that it’s coming from ppl he’s known all his life makes it hard to hear. The fact that he stares at the pink elephant in the room (Arod’s contract) while they are saying it, just makes it even worse. Looking at it from the perspective of an overpriveleged and prideful athlete I can sort of see his side. From the perspective of 95% of American’s, I could see the the ridiculousness of the situation.

    • http://risingapple.com Moebarguy

      Fair point, but he’s still a jerk.

    • Since_77

      I don’t think he made any public comments during the negotiation process. It was, and still is Brian Cashman who can’t keep his mouth shut.

    • jwredsox

      Even I like Jeter. Not sure why everyone rags on him

    • johnsilver

      That Arod deal was the start of the whole mess was the problem tho YFS, now every LT Yankee thinks that they are entitled to some kind of “Yankeecare” contract when their contract runs out that is far and away beyond what market value is. Where does it stop? We have chatted about this before here. Posada is next, you seem to think he won’t get one, but I am thinking we are going to get a huge fuss in the news if he does not get one of these deals, followed by Sabathia possibly opting out after the season and Cano and his new hip agent Boras in 2013.

      It’s got to stop somewhere.

      • YanksFanSince78

        I agree. Giving Arod that deal was the worst thing Levine and the Sons could’ve done and you just know Cashman had to be b*tching about it behind closed doors during the Jeter negotiations. The Yanks have taken a hard line before w/ Yankee greats (BW) and I’m sure that unless Posada has some amazing 2011 season that this will be his last year with them. IF he is brought back I’m sure it would be a 1 year deal for a greatly reduced price.

        Cano will get paid generously when the time comes but he simply doesn’t have the same mystique that Mo and Jeter had. Unless he asks for something completely crazy then I don’t see him having a problem getting “taken care of”.

  • Since_77

    You go Jeet. Cashman should try and change positions or see how much he’s worth on the open market.

  • yankeeaddiction

    Jeter should have never been hurt. The man was finishing a contract that paid him 189 million dollars. Add in the money he made from his signing bonus, the years before he signed that contract and all his endorsements and you have well over 200 million. The Yankees then gave him another 45 million. There are few players in baseball who earned more than Derek Jeter since he was drafted at number 6 in 1992. All that money, 5 World Series rings, a red carpet to the Hall of Fame and he wakes up next to Minka Kelly everyday. The man should never be upset about anything.

    I think everyone needs to stop talking about the Orioles doing something great in signing Vlad Guerrero. This team has done nothing since 1997 and signing an aging DH who may very well not come close to the numbers he put up in 2010 does not change the fact they will not be printing tickets to playoff games for Camden Yards in 2011. This team was no place close to being one aging DH away from putting together a winner.

    • East Coast Bias

      I think I’m putting Minka Kelly in my top 5. Yeah, I said it.

      • YanksFanSince78

        I’d put her on top……and spin her….weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee.

    • MaineluvstheSox

      The Guerrero deal? This is why some teams never get better. You’re on the mark.

    • Tim

      You are totally right. Guerrero is the only upgrade that the O’s made this off-season. That is all they needed. They didn’t add a single other player. Not at 3B, SS, 1B… no where else. Keep the same lineup and rotation and add Vlad. Yup, that’s it.

  • yankeeaddiction

    The Jeter situation was one of the dumbest things I have ever seen. His agent is the one who started it and looked like a complete buffoon when he said he found the Yankees approach “baffeling”. Their approach was they were not giving a player on the decline who had the worst season of his career a 6 year contract for 150 million dollars. I never understood how anyone could consider that baffling. I also never understood how them giving him more than any other team would even consider was “baffling”. Jeter’s demands were ridiculous and there was no chance any team was going to give him anything close to his initial demand. cashman then told him to test the market because it appeared that Jeter could not comprehend this. Casey Close has a strange definition of baffling as he believes it to mean not giving a declining player 7 to 8 times more than any other team would be willing to pay.

    • Slopeboy

      Your post is on the money! The word ‘Baffleling’, is agent speak for ‘Insulting’, but Close couldn’t use that on the back pages of the tabloids.

  • MaineluvstheSox

    If Reyes is tat good maybe the Yanks can finally get a Gold Glove shortstop…

    • Slopeboy

      Take a jab at Jeter if you will, but whether he deserves them or not, he’s got four Gold Gloves. Reyes’ next one will be his first.

      • MaineluvstheSox

        George Bush won in 2000. Not sure he earned it either.

  • Slopeboy

    Just a marvelous analogy!

  • Green_Monster

    Dude, no one thinks your funny. You need to get off this site, stop making a fool of yourself. Can someone please ban him?

  • start_wearing_purple

    Think of it like a child in a supermarket having a tantrum. The child wants attention, so if you ignore him, he’ll eventually shut up. And hopefully his parents will swat him later.

  • Since_77

    “the Yankees don’t have a short stop on the horizon to replace him with

    They will sign Jose Reyes

  • start_wearing_purple

    Well there continues to be the question in the air, how long will the Marlins be willing to pay Hanley? Cashman is good at running a team and maintaining a good farm system. If the yanks decide to move Jeter to the outfield or where ever in the next few years I wouldn’t be shocked if Cashman makes a decent offer for Hanley.

    Just a theory. In baseball anything can happen in a short amount of time and often it does.

  • qbass187

    He can’t stay healty. That’s why he retired. He has to have another surgery now I just heard in a report.
    I’m sure he would have liked to play but his body (mainly his hip) isn’t allowing that.
    Plus, I don’t think he wants to end up like Eric Chavez…a shell of his former self slinking around for minor league contracts and hoping for a bench job.
    He deserves better than that.

  • qbass187

    I actually totally agree with that.

  • Guest

    Im gonna go out on a limb and say about 90 percent of the players that most believe are genuine class, are complete dicks.

  • Since_77

    No doubt. That is a fair market price but he is worth more to the Yankees. He’ll collect his 3,000 sometime in June, he is their all-time hit leader and the face of the franchise.

    He is well paid and maybe overpaid but he has not been an embarrassment to the franchise like No. 13 .

  • start_wearing_purple

    No love for Josh Johnson?

  • johnsilver

    No offense.. But they can have new stadiums all they want, but they have to have people to go to the games period, rather than 5k announced and 2k actual like they have constantly at Land Shark Stadium for many games.

    Tampa..same thing lots of times, unless Boston or NY were around until a couple of years ago and it they do stink it up this year? Back to the same thing again more than likely.

    These 2 Florida teams just have no rabid/core fans that constantly are willing to pay and attend and I don’t see how any glitzy new stadium will ever help.

  • Slopeboy

    Reyes is not one of my favorite players, but he needs to be cut some slack with this sudden reputation about being injury prone. If you look at his career, you’ll see that he in fact has been very durable as well as productive.In ’04 when he was given the full time job, he was hurt and missed just about the whole season. The next 4 seasons he played just about every game. In ’09 he did miss practically the entire season with the hamstring problem. Last year he missed the first 3 weeks of the season after playing in ST, due to a suspicious thyroid condition and an additional 2 weeks induring the season due to a pulled ribcage. Despite that he managed to play in 133 games.
    This seems more of a myth than a reality, that’s starting to mushroom. Just look at his numbers.

  • FrankTheFunkasaurusRex

    that’s more than what i get!

  • EdinsonPickle

    Nice, Like I said I’ll take the minor league contract, but I’m fairly confidence I can outlast both Colon and Garcia’s shoulders, so I should make the club out of ST. Could you imagine a rotation of CC, Hughes, Burnett, blackcourt, and EdinsonPickle!? That’s a pretty damn good 1-5. Look out Phillies!

  • Slopeboy

    That’s open to debate. The whole Jeter circus was a dicey subject on both sides. Everyone knew that Jeter was going to be overpaid, the question was by how much. Judging just by the hundreds of postings on this site, the verdict seemed to be that it was split down the middle, as to whether Jeter was worth the money or not.
    As great as Boras is at his job, had he put on his show to get Jeter an even larger contract, it would certainly have turned off many of Jeter’s supporters, only because it was Boras.Cashman has a lot of respect for Boras, but was drawing a hard line as it was. The Boras persona would have risen the stakes and Cashman’s opposition that much higher Casey Close did an outstanding job for Jeter. So much so, that it was Hal Stienbrenner and Randy Levine that finally negotiated the deal.
    Can’t say that Boras would have done any better.

  • johnsilver

    Yeah.. We read these stories about Pedey here and laugh, but for the 25 guys on the team that travel and are with him for 8 months it must be absolute torture.

  • YanksFanSince78

    a) We don’t know if Jeter was even asked to switch once Arod was acquired. He still had several years of his contract left and those involved may have thought that Arod would acclamate better to 3B than Jeter. Also, we didn’t have same advanced metrics we use today back in 2004.

    b) Greed? You ask for what you want and then you negotiate for what you can get.

    c) Tax evasion? I have no idea what you’re talking about. I’ve never heard of Jeter being accused of that at all. If you’re talking about him establishing a residency in Florida, which he does live in, then screw you and get off your soap box. I’m sure it’s Jeter’s accountant that comes up with the creative accounting.

  • Slopeboy

    You need to tell that to the ‘professionals’, the coaches and managers that do the voting, not the metric geeks.

  • FrankTheFunkasaurusRex

    guess who actually knows more

  • Slopeboy

    So the coaches and mangers of MLB players are clueless? Who do you suggest should do the voting ? Bill James and his associates, right?

  • Slopeboy

    Washington needed to make a big splash, that’s the reason Werth got that contract. Jeter wasn’t going anywhere else and he and the whole world knew it. Jeter was paid at least three times his market value by Levine & Steinbrenner. That was the Yankees splash.Jeter and Close quickly realized they were not getting a better deal anytime or anywhere else.Boras is great, but he’s not God.

  • Since_77

    People do not pay to see the Yankees because Brian Cashman is the GM. This last contract ensures that Jeter will be associated with the Yankees long after Brian Cashman is gone and forgotten.