Orioles Sign Vladimir Guerrero

The Orioles signed Vladimir Guerrero to a one-year, the team announced. The SFX client will earn $8MM in total: $5MM this year and $3MM in deferred payments, according to Jeff Zrebiec of the Baltimore Sun (Twitter links). Zrebiec reports that Guerrero will get the $3MM several years from now.

It had been reported that the slugger was seeking a deal in the $8MM range while the O's were offering just $4.5MM for 2011.  President of baseball operations Andy MacPhail appeared to be willing to let Guerrero go elsewhere, but it seems that the front office had a change of heart.  Guerrero is the latest move for the O's, who signed Derrek Lee, Kevin Gregg, and Justin Duchscherer and traded for Mark Reynolds this offseason.

In 2010, the veteran belted 29 homers while hitting .300/.345/.496 in 152 games for the Rangers.  Texas had some interest in retaining Guerrero last month but with Michael Young and Mike Napoli in the fold there wasn't a need for the nine-time All-Star.

Enrique Rojas of ESPNDeportes.com first reported the agreement.


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340 Comments on "Orioles Sign Vladimir Guerrero"


switchhitingjesus
4 years 5 months ago

yes, yes, yes

PJaysW
4 years 5 months ago

The AL East continues to get tougher and tougher. I know that this move isn’t putting the orioles over the top, but the handful of games in which Vlad has a game changing hit could be the difference between a wild card or early vacation for some other East teams. A few more orioles wins could really tighten up the top of the division.

phoenix2042
4 years 5 months ago

the AL east is scaaaaary!

4 years 5 months ago

very beastly for sure.

The_Silver_Stacker
4 years 5 months ago

The interdivision games this year is going be more meaningful than ever, and it will make for an exciting year for sure. Rays-Sox, Yanks-Sox etc if your a fan of an AL East team its going to be a hell of a ride.

bjsguess
4 years 5 months ago

Wait a second. Aren’t we getting just a little too excited about the Orioles? This is a 66 win team in 2010. The guys they add contributed 8 wins last year. The guys they are replacing also contributed wins so maybe the team picks up 4 extra wins through FA. They are a 70 win team in 2011 unless they have some breakout years. On the high end I say they are 78 win team. Nothing remotely close to a WC team and a good 6-7 games below where I think the Jays will land.

Rabbitov
4 years 5 months ago

Good point, I think you definitely can predict the standings of teams by stat formulations. Do me a favor and actually watch the Os this year, and when they are crushing whatever team you are a fan of, think about Vlad, stomping on your dreams. And you sitting on the sideline with a calculator trying to figure out just what went wrong.

Hubbs2
4 years 5 months ago

I think you’re living in dreamland, not sure the O’s will be ‘crushing’ a ton of teams this year. Their pitching staff is sorry

BradyAndersonsSideburns
4 years 5 months ago

To be fair though Vladdy ain’t stomping anything with those knees…that said, I love this move!

4 years 5 months ago

Yeah but he still played 152 games last year and even though he didn’t see the field much last year I think he’ll see even less of it this year. I’m not too terribly worried about injuries on him when all hes gunna be doing is stepping up to the plate 3 or 4 times a night.

4 years 5 months ago

he can only help our team….if he does good enough and we r no wheres near playoffs we will trade him before the deadline…and if he doesnt produce… we can always put Luke back at dh and pie in left

mattevilspawn
4 years 5 months ago

Ha. I was thinking along the same lines.

I’ll add that bjsguess failed to note how Showalter turned the team around. The O’s lost 96 games, but under Buck they had a .596 winning percentage. Buck was at the helm for over half of those 66 wins. That’s an indicator of a few things to me: 1) Trembley was a horrible manager. 2) Buck’s a pretty good manager. And 3) The O’s young talent was under-achieving and not developing properly under Trembley… And that’s putting it mildly. (If you want a case-study in bad management, Trembley is a great example!)

Now that they’ve improved the team’s overall on-field talent, imagine what the 2011 O’s might be like. Good reason to be excited if you’re an O’s fan.

not_brooks
4 years 5 months ago

Here’s what the O’s are replacing on offense:

First base in 2010: .625 OPS … Derrek Lee OPS: .865 OPS
Shortstop in 2010: .549 OPS … J.J. Hardy: .746 OPS
Third base in 2010: .668 OPS … Mark Reynolds: .817 OPS
Left field in 2010: .672 OPS … Luke Scott: .857 OPS

Sure any of those guys and/or Vlad could crash and burn, but I think you should be able to see why there’s reason for optimism in Baltimore.

niched
4 years 5 months ago

Young players still maturing. That’s the real difference.

greyguy2
4 years 5 months ago

3B, SS, and 1B were *below* replacement level last year for the Orioles. Even if all three guys only hit their 2010 numbers, they’ll contribute closer to 11 wins than 8.

4 years 5 months ago

It really depends on how many wins Buck Showalter adds to the fold more so than the players they’ve signed. They ended the year 20-13 with him last year and I’m feeling that this trend could definitely continue especially if Reynolds and Lee bounce back and the top of their rotation produces like potential says they should.

greyguy2
4 years 5 months ago

Sir, we are all dumber for having read that comment.

4 years 5 months ago

They had the best record in the ALE in the final 2 months (somebody correct me if I’m wrong, not sure on the amount of time) and they got better over the off season. They’re not likely to compete for a playoff spot, but they certainly won’t be a push over this season. That being said, they will take wins away from the ALE competition above them. The ALE is going to be very tough to win this season, and a lot of that has to do with how much the O’s and Jays have improved this off-season.

Redsoxn8tion
4 years 5 months ago

It’s about time he signed with them. It’s been rumoured for 3 weeks now. I think he would have been better off signing with a contender, but it doesn’t sound like to many teams want to pay him.

dm2012
4 years 5 months ago

sweet jesus finally!!!

baseball1
4 years 5 months ago

ABOUT TIME

BVHjays
4 years 5 months ago

So what does this mean for Nolan Reimold? He seems like he still has some potential, and now he’ll be the fifth outfielder in Baltimore?

slider32
4 years 5 months ago

I would trade Reimold to the Braves for Jurrgens. You would have to add a prospect.

mstrchef13
4 years 5 months ago

I’m an O’s fan since the 70’s, and even I realize that there’s no way in hell the Braves make that trade, and no way that the Orioles make the trade if they have to give up the type of prospect the Braves would want to make the deal.

The O’s already have good young pitching. If they were going to make a deal for a pitcher, it would be an established guy, 4-5 years experience.

4 years 5 months ago

slider32 what you have just said….. is one of the most insanely idiotic things i have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response, were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in the message board is now dumber having read it. I award you no points and may god have mercy on your sould.

fitz
4 years 5 months ago

Nice, I am looking forward to watching the O’s this year with Lee, Reynolds and now Vlad but looks like the Orioles outbid themselves here…

RahZid
4 years 5 months ago

beat me to it

Tracy Dawn
4 years 5 months ago

True, but the O’s still have a relatively low payroll. I’m guessing, in the end, it was better to have a happy Vlad rather than a disgruntled Vlad.

4 years 5 months ago

I’m not sure how detrimental the extra 3 mil is over the course of 1 year.

strikethree
4 years 5 months ago

Well 3 mil could’ve bought you a reliever. Plus, if Vlad ever becomes a trade candidate, then the dollar amount can be important.

Anyway, just because you can spend it it — doesn’t mean you should. You aren’t just setting the price for one guy, you’re setting the market for others as well. Players in future negotiations can point to Vlad and say that they should be worth at least what Vlad is getting.

If there isn’t a market for Vlad then why outbid yourself? (Clearly, if it took this long, then I seriously doubt Vlad had any other viable options)

In any case, the little things like these add up. If you’re a small market team with a budget then you have to penny pinch. 3 mil here, 1 mil there, another 2 mil there… the thinking can definitely become detrimental.

Tracy Dawn
4 years 5 months ago

The O’s didn’t create the overpaying game. They’re just not going to miss out on their guy on principal.

And the O’s AREN’T a small market team. There is a misconception about that since they have kept their payroll so low for several years, but Baltimore definitely has the capability of being on the upper end of the middle market, if not the lower end of the big market. They just need a winning team to justify spending the money.

strikethree
4 years 5 months ago

“The O’s didn’t create the overpaying game. They’re just not going to miss out on their guy on principal. ”

Right, so that justifies them playing it? Who loses most from overpaying? A team like the Yankees or Red Sox? Or a team that can’t spend nearly as much, like the O’s?

And where else was Vlad going to go again? Who else was offering more than 5 mil?

“They just need a winning team to justify spending the money.”

Vlad won’t change them into a winning team in the AL East. They need to extract as much talent as possible from the limited funds they have. And the O’s are a small market team when compared to the other AL East teams. (it is not even close)

slider32
4 years 5 months ago

Forget the money, they are the most improved team in baseball with a good manager. They will surprise this year. If they trade Reimold for another pitcher they will be even bettter. Hats off to the O’s its been a while since they have been relevent.

strikethree
4 years 5 months ago

Unfortunately, as cynical as it sounds, everything revolves around money. Everything.

I like Buck Showalter but it could very well be that the team was lucky during that stretch. A lot of teams have great stretches and then come back down to earth. (Ex. Clint Hurdle) Managers don’t play for teams — the players do.

Remember, the O’s play in the AL East: too many things just have to go right for the O’s in order to surprise. I still see the O’s last in that division. I’m not so sure how they’ll pass the Blue Jays let alone the big 3.

slider32
4 years 5 months ago

These are billionares paying millionares. We really can’t relate to that! If you look at Bucks track record he takes teams and they improve to where they are in contention. He did that with the Yanks and Arizona. This team the O’s are putting on the field is much better than last years team.

thegrayrace
4 years 5 months ago

I think arguments could definitely made for the Red Sox, White Sox and Brewers as far as this off-season.

phoenix2042
4 years 5 months ago

the Os do have a legit payroll. theyre not the marlins…

strikethree
4 years 5 months ago

Right, with that “legit payroll” they produced close to 100 wins last season. Oops, I mean close to 100 losses.

The Marlins don’t play in the AL East. Now compare the O’s payroll to the Yanks and Red Sox.

phoenix2042
4 years 5 months ago

what i mean is that they can afford to give out contracts now. their hands are not tied when someone demands real money. sure they have had terrible results, but they should get better this year.

strikethree
4 years 5 months ago

Again, I’m not arguing that they can’t. I’m arguing that they should have spent less.

3-5 million dollars overpay isn’t exactly chump change. (Think about it, Manny is getting 2 mil!)

phoenix2042
4 years 5 months ago

oh totally agree there. but at least they are overpaying in dollars, not years.

4 years 5 months ago

are you serious? the o’s barely spend money at all. the one offseason they spend money people are saying they spend too much??? go talk to the yankees they still have double our payroll

strikethree
4 years 5 months ago

That is the point: the O’s DON’T have the luxury of overspending like the Yankees. It is not that they bought Vlad; it is that they OVER-paid for Vlad.

Take the Rays: they compete with teams like Red Sox and Yankees BECAUSE they don’t overpay. The Rays squeeze every little win from every single dollar in their budget. You have to remember that these teams are dealing with millions and yet it can be all gone very quickly.

In order to compete, they need to spend like the Rays. (Spending smart) It is as simple as that.

ugen64
4 years 5 months ago

the Orioles have loads of money to spend. the last time they were playoff contenders, back in the late 90s, they actually led the league in payroll one year (yes, ahead of the Yankees). I think that if they looked like real contenders, Angelos would easily raise the payroll to $100 million, or even higher. this isn’t a Rays / Pirates / Marlins type of situation where there is an artificially limited amount of money to spend.

strikethree
4 years 5 months ago

Let’s say Angelos is willing, but do you honestly see the O’s as “real contenders”?

I’m all for spending if it can make your team a legitimate contender. However, most fans don’t understand risk evaluation. You have to factor in the division. The O’s are starting to form a good foundation but they aren’t there yet. They have some prospects but the prospects haven’t lived up to the hype. (Ex. Matt Wieters) Heck, they might never live up to their potential. (That’s why they call them prospects)

It also still doesn’t discount the fact that the resources can be used elsewhere. Again, the little things add up. 3 mil overpay, then another 1 mil then another 2 mil and that’s already 6 million which could get you a very good reliever. (which is nice trade bait or potential draft picks that can help the team’s long term potential)

There is a point where overspending will cap a team. There are just too many examples of teams overspending and then regretting it.

I think the O’s are at least 2-3 years from being a relevant team. They should at least post a winning season first. (or at least not 90+ losses)

It’s basically the same argument 2 years ago with the Nat’s. They spent a lot of money in 09 only to have a crappy season again in 2010. This offseason, they spent EVEN more on guys that aren’t game changers. We’ll see how that works out.

4 years 5 months ago

You really don’t have a clue what you’re talking about. Just give up.

strikethree
4 years 5 months ago

Nice argument. If you think overpaying is a good idea, then please send me 3 million dollars too.

I’ve already given up on you.

not_brooks
4 years 5 months ago

Vlad included, the O’s payroll has increased by a whopping $11MM.

You mentioned in an earlier post that if the O’s didn’t overpay by $3MM on Vlad, they could have signed a reliever. Instead of just throwing it out there, how about you tell me which reliever they should have signed with that three million. Go ahead. I’ll wait. Oh, there’s no reliever on the market worth $3MM? Wait, there’s no reliever on the market worth anything more than a minor league contract with a ST invite?

This is $8MM. For one year. For a guy who could have a tremendous lasting effect on guys like Markakis, Reynolds, Wieters, Jones, Pie and Reimold. This is nothing. And if Vlad hits, you trade him and you don’t even have to pay him the full $8MM.

Calm down, fella. You’re going to burst a blood vessel.

strikethree
4 years 5 months ago

Calm down? Who is yelling?

“Vlad included, the O’s payroll has increased by a whopping $11MM.”

The O’s had close to 100 losses with an 80 mil payroll. An 11 mil increase counts as a 14% increase. That is not something small. (Only in America can we think of 11 million as ho-hum)

“instead of just throwing it out there, how about you tell me which reliever they should have signed with that three million.”

Obviously it’s late in the offseason so there isn’t much left. Does that mean they should have given Vlad what he wanted? Why not save that 3 mil for the draft or next offseason? Plus, they could have spent it earlier in the offseason as well. (On guys like Harden, Okajima, and Harang for example)

“This is $8MM. For one year. For a guy who could have a tremendous lasting effect on guys like Markakis, Reynolds, Wieters, Jones, Pie and Reimold.”

Ah yes, the intangibles… always the intangibles… But again, it’s about market value and there simply wasn’t any for Vlad besides the O’s. (well there was the “mystery team” I suppose…)

“And if Vlad hits, you trade him and you don’t even have to pay him the full $8MM. ”

I agree but Vlad looks more tempting the less money he has on his contract.

not_brooks
4 years 5 months ago

It doesn’t have to do with “only in America”. $11MM is nothing for the vast majority of professional sports franchises. Especially when that $11MM increase brought in power hitters at both corners and DH, a shortstop with a great glove and a good bat and a solid reliever to help sure up the pen.

I don’t even know why we’re still talking about this. This is a relatively small amount of money for one year. This isn’t going to stop the O’s from acquiring a marquee player next winter. This isn’t going to stop the O’s from spending money on the draft. This isn’t going to stop the O’s from spending money on international free agents (if they ever start doing so).

And really, we’re not even talking about $8MM for Vlad or an $11MM team payroll increase. We’re talking about $3MM here. The difference between what everyone thought the Orioles were offering and what they actually gave him. $3MM. When we’re talking abotu MLB… That. Is. Nothing.

strikethree
4 years 5 months ago

There’s nothing wrong with a friendly debate. Plus, it’s almost the end of the offseason so there isn’t much to yap about anyway.

“When we’re talking abotu MLB… That. Is. Nothing.”

I guess that’s where we’ll have to just disagree. 3 mil yes, but it can lead to more overpay if a team sticks with that thinking. 3 mil is about 3-5% of the O’s payroll. If you were paid 100k a year, that’s 3-5k — which to me — isn’t small.

I apologize if I seem emphatic about this but I work in the financial services industry so I’m used to arguing about money. Anyway, this has gone long enough so let’s just end it.

4 years 5 months ago

thank you. you were annoying after the first reply.

4 years 5 months ago

think about it junior…lets say that to satisfy vlad it would take a 3yr/18mm deal. he says no i don’t want another 1 year deal. the o’s have to make him happy so they throw in some extra cash…wouldn’t you say that the one year deal is smarter than a long term? this is all hypothetical and based on how these things usually go.

4 years 5 months ago

Vlad didn’t have many options but if it came down to going to a team that was almost historically bad for half of what he wants or waiting several weeks into the season for an injury to occur on another team and signing with them he would wait and see what happens. Also there is something to be said about a player actually being content with their paycheck. It’s at least a little more reassuring that he’ll try to earn the damn thing instead of coming in here and bumming it up like all the other old washed up players we’ve brought in before. It’s also important to consider how much of his contract is performance based and how much is guaranteed (I don’t know the numbers exactly though). Having said all that I think they could’ve gotten him for around 6.5 or 7.

The Orioles probably won’t get a wildcard spot but its possible that they could contend for 3rd place over the rays and bluejays especially considering that the rays lost a lot of players in the offseason and the orioles have improved greatly. We also have to wait and see how the orioles perform under buck for an entire season (they probably won’t have the same success as they did the last third of the season but it will still be markedly better than last year given just his presence in the club).

strikethree
4 years 5 months ago

I don’t know about the passing Rays but I will agree that it is within the realm of possibility.

I also like the O’s signing Vlad; however, the overpay is troubling.

I think the O’s have potential; I just don’t want to see the team go down the wrong path like countless other teams.

East Coast Bias
4 years 5 months ago

Turns out, the “mystery” team that offered Vlad 8m was actually the Orioles!

vonhayesdays
4 years 5 months ago

O’s were the mystery team all along my friend

Roxallday4
4 years 5 months ago

i agree. the O’s are gonna be fun to watch. i think this move puts them at least close to a chance at the divison or wild card. they wont make the playoffs but will be an above 500 team for sure. The east was already tough but with all the o’s moves its gonna be even tougher..

4 years 5 months ago

Keep dreaming. An old Vlad doesn’t put the Orioles over the top like you seem to think. Chances are quite large you get a 2010 2nd half Vlad for a whole year.

slider32
4 years 5 months ago

I think Vlad was the last peice to the puzzule for Buck, so they over payed. It just shows you how well the Rays did getting Damon and Manny.

4 years 5 months ago

I agree with you about Vlad being the missing piece. The two guys in Tampa are merely placeholders and gate attractions until the next batch of kids is ready. Damon might do a little, but I’m not sure about Manny because he took a big drop last year.

slider32
4 years 5 months ago

Fangraphs has a great comparison of Manny and Vlad. It shows just how good Manny was the last three years. He could still be the best DH in baseball this year! He could come back to huant the Yanks and Sox.

phoenix2042
4 years 5 months ago

dont forget hardy. he may not be a big name, but compared to what they get out of izturis, he will be worth at least 2 wins more i expect. izturis was a good defender, but hardy is a great one, and while he isnt a great hitter, he has some upside, as opposed to izturis and his .280 wOBA…

mstrchef13
4 years 5 months ago

Not really. It is reported that as much as half of the deal is incentive money, and significant portions are deferred.

$1742854
4 years 5 months ago

O’s caved. Disappointing that so many teams are outbidding themselves. Vlad had a great year in ’10, but the market should’ve kept him to 5-6 million. At least it’s only a 1 year deal.

ryankrol
4 years 5 months ago

I had a feeling he’d go to the O’s.

Gurvir Nijjar
4 years 5 months ago

looks like the O’s have just bought themselves a wild card

$1545094
4 years 5 months ago

the only wild card Baltimore will be in connection with is if they are playing cards. no chance they get a playoff berth, no chance.
I’d be surprised if they were a .500 team.
they will be fortunate to get to 4th place, but even now I still seem them finishing 5th in the East.

phoenix2042
4 years 5 months ago

unfortunately agree. the red sox win the east, the yankees come in second, the rays in third, the jays and Os fight it out for the last two spots. theyre both good teams, dont get me wrong, but they play in the wrong division. and with the tigers, twins and white sox all fielding contending teams, as well as the As challenging the rangers, there are simply too many good options for the WC. do you really think that the Os can beat the yankees, rays, blue jays, angels, As, and two of: twins, white sox and tigers?

SrMeowMeow
4 years 5 months ago

Disagree.

Red Sox 100-62
Orioles 92-70
Yankees 89-73
Rays 88-72
Jays 80-82

You don’t have to book it. It’s been booked.

$1545094
4 years 5 months ago

dude! I want some of what you have been smoking, it must be good!!
92 wins for Baltimore?!
I think you got that backwards, its going to be closer to 70-92.
I bet my left nut that Baltimore won’t reach 90+ wins. 80+ wins would even be a surprise.

it’s nice to be optimistic, but that’s really reaching.

4 years 5 months ago

How on earth people think the rays and jays are better than the orioles right now is beyond me…

4 years 5 months ago

The Jays still have 3 silver sluggers and a bunch of young high ceiling players. I dont get how everyone is calling Bautista a “fluke”, he hit 54 homers, hitting 40 or 30 when your previous career high is 15 could be a fluke but 54? really. Even talent evaluators from enemy teams are saying he’s no fluke (BoSox). Lind and Hill started the season injured and were injured most of the season, but they still got a lot of power. If all three of them can hit 35 homers it replaces the Wells size hole in the middle, this team is more balanced and there is a 50 homer and 50 stolen bases guys now. Without a doubt the best 3 pitching rotations in the East are the Jays, Rays, BSox, and the best hitting are the Orioles, BSox, Jays, (maybe the Yanks too). But defence wins and Orioles just dont have the d.

4 years 5 months ago

“I dont get how everyone is calling Bautista a “fluke”, he hit 54 homers, hitting 40 or 30 when your previous career high is 15 could be a fluke but 54?”

Two words from an Oriole fan: Brady Anderson

johnsilver
4 years 5 months ago

No offense and do like the O’s (from years ago and 3 team races with Sox and Yanks) but it is going to be awfully tough on the oriole fans losing games 10-7 all season with that pitching staff.

$1545094
4 years 5 months ago

apparently Vlad did get $8 MIL from Baltimore.
guess it was about the money.
if it’s true he got that much money, I guess Baltimore really wanted him and gave in.

Baltimore’s best chance is still battling for 4th place, but I guess this makes them more exciting to watch.

basemonkey
4 years 5 months ago

Jeez. The Baltimore fanbase has been in a long draught for over a decade. It’s a huge regional fanbase traditionally, with a long tradition (before these down times) of winning, and this news gives them literally something legitmate to be positive about.

And, you chime in to pour water on the fire. We, Baltimore fans, who have followed this team for years certainly knows the difficulties of the AL EAST. 5th place? 4th place? 3rd place? Maybe likely. But, compared to seeing such bad baseball the last decade or so, it’s at least a real majorleague team finally, not a slipshod collection of players, some who just shouldn’t be in the bigs.

4 years 5 months ago

idiots. he orioles aren’t ready to compete in the AL east, but yet theyre just destroying themselves packing money in the books.

nats2012
4 years 5 months ago

What are you talking about, its a one year, what team are you a fan of?

4 years 5 months ago

pirates

nats2012
4 years 5 months ago

So how does a one year deal for 8 mil for a guy that hit 300, 29 hrs, 115 rbis destroy their payroll? Plus he was the best free agent left on the market.

East Coast Bias
4 years 5 months ago

lol

basemonkey
4 years 5 months ago

You probably saw this one post about getting Vlad, without ever paying attention on the Orioles before, but probably filled in the blanks of the Os being a high-spending badly managed team based on this news. If you actually paid attention, you’d know the Os have turned into a very cheap young team filled with low risk short-term contracts with a lot of versatile guys.

This Vlad deal is the single outlier.

SrMeowMeow
4 years 5 months ago

What about this signing is not low-risk or short-term?

basemonkey
4 years 5 months ago

Well, the risk is that, there’s a decent chance that at worse this 8M gets wasted. It’s only for a year, but it is a lot of $. If that means that that’s coming from player development or signing bonuses elsewhere it is something.

Natinals
4 years 5 months ago

Its just not how its done. You don’t go from worst to first by going out and buying all the big (and old) bats. If it worked like that, nobody would even bother developing a good farm system. But hey, that’s what the O’s are doing

not_brooks
4 years 5 months ago

Nats fan?

basemonkey
4 years 5 months ago

Since when have the Orioles been going out and BUYING good players? This is literally one deal that might be called this (but come on, it’s not as if it’s a 28 yr old Vlad). Every other deal the Os have made in the last decade or so hace been in the stopgap or “ok” category of player to hold the fort to buy time for the farm.

You should talk as a Nats fan. The Nats are the single team who have unabashedly been inflating the market in the draft and free agency in the last several years.

Natinals
4 years 5 months ago

Glad to see I’m not the only one that disagrees with all this.

FrankTheFunkasaurusRex
4 years 5 months ago

Agree. Stupid time to spend money on FA

4 years 5 months ago

nothing wrong with trying to put a decent product on the field. if they have money to spend then why not?? hopefully these signings turn into compensation picks or prospects at the deadline so they can give themselves a better future. it was unfortunate that they didnt have any players to net them some future considerations last year or the rebuild could have started sooner.

basemonkey
4 years 5 months ago

Nearly every contract they signed have been super low risk/low salary deals. I think there’s only 3 players with multiyear deals (Roberts, Ramon, and Markakis). Everyone else is one year guys.

Fruitbowl
4 years 5 months ago

Ramon?

basemonkey
4 years 5 months ago

Hehehe. Sorry. Brainfreeze. I meant Mike Gonzalez. I thought the “Orioles Closer deal” then thought about Dave Hernandez who replaced him for a spell, then thought of something-“Hernandez”…and came up with Ramon, which is waay off. Hehehe.

Anyways, Mike Gonzalez’s deal at the time was a multiyear one, but only for 2 years, which will come off the book after this season. Under MacPhail, just 2 years deals feel like extraordinary commitments. Markakis and Roberts are special exceptions though ecause of the symbolic place they hold in the hearts of Os fans, as far as current Orioles.

FrankTheFunkasaurusRex
4 years 5 months ago

how many games will the O’s win?

I say 75-80

Caakes
4 years 5 months ago

Around .500 is about right. But that’s a huge improvement. The team has been dreadful for over a decade now, and management needed to do something to keep people interested in the team both now and in the future. After not paying attention all summer due to the terrible start, fans really stared to watch games after Buck took over. Anything to keep that enthusiam going is probably a good thing for hte team.

The_Silver_Stacker
4 years 5 months ago

Since they have to battler The other AL East foes so many times I will say 62 wins

FrankTheFunkasaurusRex
4 years 5 months ago

isn’t that worse than last year?

$1545094
4 years 5 months ago

their wins in the last 6 years.
2010- 66
2009- 64
2008- 68
2007- 69
2006- 70
2005- 74

I say 75 is the ceiling.

what happens during the season then they are way out? do they hold guys like Vlad/Lee? or trade them for prospects? if they trade them, under 70 wins.

OrangeCards
4 years 5 months ago

They’ve been rebuilding the last 3 years. I don’t know what the hell we were doing before that …

That said, take a look at their record after Buck arrived in August. They had the 3rd best record in the AL while playing contenders down the stretch …

phoenix2042
4 years 5 months ago

look at the teams they won so much against though. the red sox were out of it and fielding a AAA lineup, the yankees and rays had postseason tickets punched and were resting players and generally not giving a flying hoot. the tigers whom i remember the Os sweeping (twice? i dont remember…) were out of it for a while by then too. those are the good teams they played… i dont think it takes a lot to beat the bad teams…

Fruitbowl
4 years 5 months ago

Weren’t the Rays and Yanks battling for the Division down to the last day or so?

4 years 5 months ago

That’s a good question. And another reason for O’s fans to have hope. See even if the season unravels they’ve got plenty of trade bait for the deadline, unless the short-term guys get hurt.

niched
4 years 5 months ago

You’re ignoring the fact that the O’s have more talent — much of it still developing — that has a lot more potential than any team they’ve had since the 90s. Plus they have a real manager. Not saying the O’s will have a great team this season, but they have a chance to make some noise, which they didn’t have the other years you cite (except 2005, the year Raffy got banned and Roberts got hurt).

4 years 5 months ago

85. Good things have to fall in place for that, like no catastophic injuries and those young starters HAVE to be ready. If not, then it’ll be 10-7 games like another said.

Getting rid of Millwood gets rid of 16 losses right off the top. LOL, I know that’s not valid logic, but the fact is they have improved at 4-5 positions, beefed up the pen and got another year of experience on their young starters. How the one person below said 62 is beyond me.

bmore321
4 years 5 months ago

its a one year deal so its not like they are paying that much extra he will be off the books next year. yes they probably outbid themselves but id prefer a happy vlad over a pissed off one.

eDaPS
4 years 5 months ago

Woof. Vlad got more than I thought he’d get. I don’t agree that the O’s will win the WC, but hey the Giants won the WS last year so what the hell do I know?

One thing is for sure: This off season, the O’s and (especially) the Nationals have shown that they mean business. Things are going to get a lot more interesting in the NL/AL East the next few years….

Beaned1
4 years 5 months ago

well the ticket rate hikes are now justified. And I have no complaints. I’m even looking forward to this season very much. Weird.

Eric
4 years 5 months ago

HOT DAMN!

THE O’s caved in on his offer I see.

OH well no biggie this just made the Orioles really deadly.

GO ORIOLES!

ajp13237
4 years 5 months ago

With Vlad, the O’s lineup looks pretty stacked, if they can get anything out of that pitching they should at least be a decent team this year and if a lot goes right with that pitching maybe even a .500+ team.

FrankTheFunkasaurusRex
4 years 5 months ago

but is it worth it? A .500+ team in the AL East is a third or fourth place at best. I don’t get the reasoning of this offseason for the O’s. They were more than 2 or 3 pieces away from contention.
But I suppose a winning record would bring back interest. Thats the only plus I see

baseball1
4 years 5 months ago

Yea I guess they should have done nothing. Whoops

FrankTheFunkasaurusRex
4 years 5 months ago

seriously, it might’ve been more worthwhile to save the money for drafts & int. free agents. But that’s just me

twins33
4 years 5 months ago

I understand what you’re saying, but also..if they look at it that way then they will likely always have to look at it that way…every season. It will not look worth it every season just because the Yanks and Sox are in that division too. It will always be extremely tough for them to compete because I don’t see the Yanks or Sox slowing down anytime soon. At least not this decade.

I think it’s a nice change that they’re going after these guys. I mean, they overpaid for Guerrero, but it’s still a good addition. And I say they overpaid because it’s almost Spring Training and it didn’t appear like anyone else was bidding for him. I don’t see how he ended up with 8 million when 5 at this point seemed like too much. O’s caved on that one.

FrankTheFunkasaurusRex
4 years 5 months ago

Well if they’re still willing to spend on drafts and IFAs then I don’t have a problem with it. But if the cost for making it an interesting season stops them from signing top prospects, it won’t look good. All I’m saying

twins33
4 years 5 months ago

I understand. They still need to build their team that way, it’s an important part. I hope it doesn’t hinder that either, but I like the guys they’re getting.

I know I’ll be watching the O’s more this year than I have in the past because of these moves.

4 years 5 months ago

The Orioles are the 3rd most profitable team in major league baseball, mainly because Angelos just pockets most of the revenue he makes from MASN and the like instead of spending it on the team. If he wanted, he could easily have a 100-110 million dollar payroll, but he doesn’t. So to say the Orioles shouldnt spend money on the team so Angelos can just pocket it is really dumb

FrankTheFunkasaurusRex
4 years 5 months ago

I’m saying they should spend money on young prospects, not old has-beens

OrangeCards
4 years 5 months ago

At some point, they have to show something on the major league level to lure in the marquee free agents they’ll need to be serious contenders.

The city of Baltimore won’t take much more losing, and the young pitching is ready to show what it can do.

4 years 5 months ago

You have already seen the effect of what a winning attitude and a few key moves have done for the team. Buck leads to a winning close to 2010, Reynolds and Hardy trades lured guys like Lee, Duscherer and Guerrero here. Well the trades and the fact Angelos opened his wallet is what got them here.

That’s why the Nats had to give Werth $126M. They had to make a statement and it also helped them land LaRoche. Both teams are making similar strides.

4 years 5 months ago

So you should just give up and not try to make the best team you can just because you’re in a tough division?

FrankTheFunkasaurusRex
4 years 5 months ago

no you should try to build from within by spending on drafts and IFAs. and when you have a strong base THEN you spend on FA

Fruitbowl
4 years 5 months ago

Totally worth it. After 14 years of losing a .500+ season becomes everything. 82 or Bust!

Tim
4 years 5 months ago

Roberts
Markakis
Lee
Guerrero
Reynolds
Scott
Jones
Weiters
Hardy

Guthrie
Duscherer
Matusz
Arrieta
Bergesen

I’m calling a 3rd place finish. Not playoff bound, but life-breathing baseball for the first time since ’97. So pumped.

FrankTheFunkasaurusRex
4 years 5 months ago

I don’t see them being better than the Yanks. pitchingwise and hittingwise

4 years 5 months ago

Yeah ok… The Orioles passed the Yankees lineup wise with this signing. And their starting pitching has gone down the pooper this year…

phoenix2042
4 years 5 months ago

um… that’s a good one. the yankees have one of the best lineups in baseball. most of Os pitching has more upside, but they are all young and have had scant success minus guthrie. they would have to all have a breakout year at the same time to pitch better than the yankees, even with the question marks in the rotation. now im not saying it wont happen, but it is far far from a sure thing.

Tracy Dawn
4 years 5 months ago

Have you seen what the Yankees currently have set for their pitching this season?

FrankTheFunkasaurusRex
4 years 5 months ago

have you seen your own rotation? Its not any better than the Yanks

slider32
4 years 5 months ago

I agree with what Buck did last year and now with all their additions the O’s are by far the most improved team in baseball. With Buck I wouldn’t sell them short. They will be in the hunt just look at that line-up in that park, I think they could be very good!

4 years 5 months ago

Buck and MacPhail saw the blood in the water and made the decision to go for it. Toronto and Tampa will both be competitive, but I still think they took steps back. With NY maybe getting worse, or at least standing pat, this year may be a one-year opportunity for the O’s to go for it. Once the Rays and Jays retool, this cycle may start over again.

cbm5042
4 years 5 months ago

Roberts
Markakis
Lee
Guerrero
Scott* (gotta switch 5 and 6 here)
Reynolds
Jones
Weiters
Hardy

Guthrie
Matusz
Duscherer
Bergesen
Arrieta

Uehara
Gregg
Gonzalez
Johnson
Berken
Accardo/Vandenhurk
Rapada/Hendrickson

4 years 5 months ago

There’s a $500K bonus if Vlad shows up to spring training with both of his knees attached firmly in place.

4 years 5 months ago

jajajaja nice one…

niched
4 years 5 months ago

Good one. I think the O’s have more potential than most around here, but not much because of Vlad. I still have memories of Sammy Sosa in orange and black.

4 years 5 months ago

Cue the Reimold-for-Blanton rumors. …

4 years 5 months ago

i would keep reimold and trade pie instead reimold has more potential…

4 years 5 months ago

Yes, but Reimold has more trade value. … I really don’t think Pie nets you much of anything. Whereas Reimold could get you a No. 3 caliber starter who’s pitched in the playoffs and can give you 180-200 innings.

4 years 5 months ago

How does Reimold have more value coming off that type of season?

Tracy Dawn
4 years 5 months ago

Would you stop saying everything I want to say, right before I say it! lol

Fruitbowl
4 years 5 months ago

Reimold = #3 playoff caliber starter? Wut?

slider32
4 years 5 months ago

How about trading Reimold to the Braves for a pitcher.

4 years 5 months ago

No. Not happening. Reimold is more valuable to the O’s than the value he can bring back in a trade

4 years 5 months ago

Not a chance that’s happening. Orioles have virtually no payroll left and that trade doesn’t even make sense for them.

TdotsFinest
4 years 5 months ago

Do the Orioles still finish 5th in the AL East? They were 30 games under .500 last year and I just cant see them being even a .500 team with all their off-season moves and in this division that means 5th. They will definitely be more exciting and harder to play against.

Tracy Dawn
4 years 5 months ago

Yes, but the O’s severely underachieved during the first half of last season. In fact, they invented ways to lose. The boost to the lineup will definitely help, but it all rests on the pitching (who’s only real flaw is that most are still so young). But the O’s pitching staff finished up the last two months of the season with the second lowest ERA in the AL. Who knows what can happen in 2011.

slider32
4 years 5 months ago

I see the O’s better than the Jays right now!

not_brooks
4 years 5 months ago

Everyone was saying the same thing this time last year.

I guess that’s why they play the games.

Edit: As an O’s fan, I hope you’re right.

RedSoxDynasty
4 years 5 months ago

Me too! That lineup is scary! Seriously, the top 3 lineups in baseball look to be all in the AL East, BOSTON, N.Y., BALTIMORE!

slider32
4 years 5 months ago

I agree when you have Reynolds, Weiters, Jones, and Hardy hitting at the bottom of the line-up, this is not last years O’s.

FrankTheFunkasaurusRex
4 years 5 months ago

one of the three does not belong

4 years 5 months ago

The jays still got bautista who hit 54 homers (even talent evaluators from enemy teams are calling him no fluke). They led the majors with homers even when Lind, Hill, and Snider were injured and never were able to regain there fitness. They can all hit 35 + homers each. Add Davis to that who stole 50 bases and Escobar who can hit 25 homers and steal around 20 bases while batting around 300. Plus the Jays young lineup of Romero, Morrow, Cecil, Rzyjsagdkasgdk, and Drabek,and Francisco, Fracor, Dotel, Rauch, Camp … Thats a great lineup and guess what most of the team is under 30 and can still run, thats why the Jays are better.
Wells can be replaced by Rivera and bounce back seasons from either Hill or Lind.
Overbay can easily be replaced by full season of Snider.
Marcum can be replaced by the continuing development of Romero, Morrow, Cecil, Drabek and Ryzfdaslf.
Downs and Gregg can be replaced by Francisco, Dotel and Rauch. So when looking at it they only lost the experience that those players brought to the team.

4 years 5 months ago

No offense Bambino11, but just because the O’s have stunk for 13 years and finished with almost 100 losses again doesn’t mean that happens in 2011 too. Too many people are buying into this 5th place permanency for the O’s. Could Reynolds hit .198 again? Could a young starter or two regress again? Could Hardy, Lee or Roberts end up back on the DL? Yes to all of those. But the likelihood of them all going south is pretty small.

Last year it was a couple of minor moves with no contigency plans in the offseason. So when Tejada got old and Atkins stunk up the joint there was no help waiting.

The difference in this year and last is the depth. There’s no question they’ll be markedly better–unless absolute disaster strikes in many places.

I won’t go totally nuts and start preaching playoffs, but that should and most likely be the team’s focus from the beginning. If anything, the players have been on board for this improvement longer than the fans. We’re still catchinn up.

MB923
4 years 5 months ago

To make room for Vlad on the roster, the Orioles have designated the Camden Yards security that took over 2 minutes to get 1 fan off the field.

I can’t post the link but for those who haven’t seen it, just go on YouTube and search Orioles fan on field. It’s the one that has well over 3 million views.

baseball1
4 years 5 months ago

I was there. It was hilarious

Rashomon
4 years 5 months ago

I was there too. What a game. Especially when Wigginton burst every brain cell arguing that call at first!