Albert Pujols Rumors: Wednesday

The countdown that began weeks ago continues in earnest this morning as the Cardinals and Albert Pujols enter the final few hours before the Pujols-imposed deadline to reach an extension. If the sides don't agree to terms by 11am CDT, Pujols says he'll stop negotiating until after the season, when he'd become a highly-coveted free agent. There's "zero" momentum for a deal, though the talks still have a pulse. Here's the latest on the Cardinals and their first baseman:

  • Bob Nightengale of USA Today reports that Pujols has informed the Cardinals that he's willing to revisit talks after the season (Twitter links). He doesn't want any distractions during the season.
  • Rival executives expect the Cubs to pursue Pujols, according to Jon Heyman of SI.com. One exec says “They'll give him the A-Rod deal'' and another guesses "They'll give him $33MM or $34MM for seven years.''
  • Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports hears from a source that St. Louis' offer would have given Pujols about the tenth-highest annual salary in the game, which translates to about $19-21MM (Twitter links). The exact length of the offer is unknown.
  • GM John Mozeliak said the team will not consider trading Pujols, reports SI.com's Jon Heyman (on Twitter). Pujols has already indicated that he would invoke his ten-and-five rights to veto any deal.
  • The Cardinals announced that they weren't able to reach a deal with Pujols and will meet with the media at 11:30 CDT. 
  • There's zero chance of a deal by the deadline, according to Nightengale (on Twitter).
  • The sides are not engaging in last-minute talks and there's no chance of a deal in the next hour, according to Scott Miller of CBS Sports (on Twitter).
  • The talks are over and the deadline will pass without a deal, according to ESPN.com's Buster Olney (Twitter links). The sides have not exchanged proposals in the last four days or so and there's still a significant gap on annual salary.
  • Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports agrees: there will be no deal today (Twitter link).
  • The sides aren't expected to reach a deal by the deadline, writes Scott Miller of CBS Sports (on Twitter).
  • The Phillies anticipated this situation before locking Ryan Howard up, according to ESPN.com's Buster Olney (Twitter links). The Phils discussed a possible Howard-Pujols trade internally.
  • Pujols doesn't have illusions of reaching a miraculous deal, according to Bob Nightengale of USA Today (on Twitter).


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309 Comments on "Albert Pujols Rumors: Wednesday"


bonestock94
4 years 6 months ago

2011-12 is gonna be an ugly offseason for the cards.

Ben_Cherington
4 years 6 months ago

sad day for baseball!

jwsox
4 years 6 months ago

sad day for cards, nice day for baseball

start_wearing_purple
start_wearing_purple
4 years 6 months ago

Meanwhile the Cards discussing the possibility of asking the Phils for Ultley and Hamels along with Howard for Pujols.

Lunchbox45
4 years 6 months ago

and then proceed to shop Howard and his enormous contract to the Angels

4 years 6 months ago

Howard, Hamels AND Utley? Do actually think that Pujols is worth that much? And do you think that Ruben Amaro is that naive to actually entertain it?

jwsox
4 years 6 months ago

its actually a decent starting point…i would say though it would have to be howard and hammels for howard. either way utley is blocked to moving to first where he should move soon to help extend his career…utley and hammles for albert and pitcher(anyone but carpenter or wainwright) and then flip howard and some of his contracy to someone else for a pitcher ha

Cubbie
4 years 6 months ago

What in the world do u mean it’s a happy day in baseball. (pujh

Cubbie
4 years 6 months ago

Never mind what I just said I put that up by accident because I wasn’t finished. What I was trying to say is that it is a happy day in baseball because next year pujoles will be a cub in after this year

woadude
4 years 6 months ago

Learn how to spell his name and learn that your team is destined to lose forever.

East Coast Bias
4 years 6 months ago

ouch…

Gocubs2010
4 years 6 months ago

Like we haven’t heard that broken record before, Im not saying Pujols will be coming to Chicago but out of the major market teams where only team in a good enough position to get him (NY is filled, Both LA teams have their own issues with cheap owner or divorce) so anything can happen.

4 years 6 months ago

Funny how everybody forgets that he’s still playing all season for St. Louis, still has until after the World Series to actually become a free agent, and anything any other team offers the Cardinals still have the ability to match. The Cardinals are still the most likely team to sign him. He’s still given no indication that he wants to leave St. Louis, and it could turn out that in the end, he doesn’t receive an offer from any team close to what he’s asking.

jwsox
4 years 6 months ago

please explain how the cubs are going to come up with 30 mill a season for albert? When they have a ton of back loaded deals and good guys in the farm coming up soon? And why albert would want to go to the cubs?

dc21892
4 years 6 months ago

Pena and Ramirez alone are off the books, along with Silva this upcoming offseason which leaves them with over 30M in freed up money. I’m not saying I agree with him, but that’s where the 30M a season would come from if he were to leave and head to Chicago.

4 years 6 months ago

Consider the possibility that he doesn’t want to play for the Cubs? I seem to remember him saying several times that he would stay with the Cardinals if they appeared to be a competitive baseball team. So based on that, its a stretch to assume that he’ll leave St. Louis, for of all teams the Cubs, the arch rival of the Cardinals, and a team that does not win consistently.

dc21892
4 years 6 months ago

HEY BUDDY, I said I’m not agreeing with him.

GoCubs10
4 years 6 months ago

not only that but i believe the cubs will keep Ramirez and get rid of fukudome whose contract is out next year and also a possible trade of either Zambrono or Soriano, the White Sox have intrest in Zambrono as does Zambrono, as for Soriano i believe that another team such as the Nationals or Pirates like team would take that off our hands which leaves us with more than 30mil so in that case we can pick up a new pitcher or another bat

4 years 6 months ago

While I agree that Pujols will probably be in a new uniform next year, and that the Cubs seem to be in the best position to make a run at him, it is important to remember the obscure points in this process.

First the Yankees can all but be eliminated from the conversation, despite their track record. The first obstacle is Mark Teixeira. He has a massive contract would probably be harder to move than most would think. Second, the Yankees have a issue that will need addressing, which is pitching. If Sabathia Opts-Out, The Yankees will probably end up in a bidding war with 1-2 other teams. In Addition to CC, they will most likely be looking for AT LEAST 1 more SP. Bottom Line: The Yankees have more pressing issues to deal with.

The Red sox (AKA-New Yankees) are also pretty well set with their lineup. They worked for over a year to get Gonzalez from SD, and I have a hard time seeing them letting him walk after 1 season. Plus they just signed Crawford.

The Nationals can make an interesting case for Pujols, especially after snagging Werth, but with Strausburg, Harper, and Zimmerman, in addition to Werth, they might focus on some pitching to put around Strausburg.

The Cubs probably can make the best attempts to sign Pujols, for 3 reasons: Money, Location, and Potential. The Cubs can afford him, are relatively close to his current home, and have enough young talent to compete in the near future.

People keep saying that Pujols is going to just resign after the WS, but the Cards would not have been so quick to act if they could match other teams offers. Also, If Pujols goes the whole year without a new contract, he will probably test the market. What would you say if someone is waving $300MM in your face.

Lunchbox45
4 years 6 months ago

Teixeira is probably already starting to get shopped..

Boz
4 years 6 months ago

I honestly don’t see why people are saying the yankees are out of it. they could move Tex to third and DH Arod since Posada will be off the books. Im sure Tex would be more than willing to move for Pujols. Maybe doing that would stop CC from opting out (big maybe but you never know) they would have no pitching and an insane lineup.

Lunchbox45
4 years 6 months ago

I think trading him for an arm or 2 to help with the rotation makes more sense..

Plus teams that would like Albert but can’t afford him can get Teix at less money and years. . .

Perhaps trade him to the Angels, Orioles, or Nats

then go full on for Pujols.

YanksFanSince78
4 years 6 months ago

You’re ignoring the fact that he has a no trade clause. Why would he do that? Just to be benevolent towards the team kicking him to the curb?

And honeslty? If we didn’t have Tex I would be all over AP. However, having him and seeing him perform over the last 2 years makes me think it’s better to have Tex for 6/$135 mil for ages 31-36 rather than AP for 10/$300 for ages 31-40. AP is > than Tex but the difference in production probably isn’t worth the extra risks and $165 mil. At least we know that Tex is going to be cut lose at age 36.

Lunchbox45
4 years 6 months ago

stop ruining the dream for Yankees fans.

Pujols, Mauer and Hernandez will ALL be yankees

stop being so biased.

jwsox
4 years 6 months ago

when exactly will mauer be a yankee? he is signed through a team friendly(considering who he is) 2018 and hernandez is signed through 2014

wickedkevin
4 years 6 months ago

Come on JW, that was obvious sarcasm…

Either that, or my buddy Lunchbox here forgot to include Ryan Braun and Tulo.

Lunchbox45
4 years 6 months ago

Nope yankees want HamRam!

I hate when people can’t read obvious sarcasm

YanksFanSince78
4 years 6 months ago

That’s it? Nats aren’t trading Harper to the Yanks as well? B@stards.

jwsox
4 years 6 months ago

one of the two, probably more likely could play left or right, more likely right considering its smaller in NY

YanksFanSince78
4 years 6 months ago

You don’t move an MVP caliber player to an OF position they haven’t played in over 7 + years to a position @ age 31 when they have over $150 mil owed or just signed for upwards of $200 mil. Not happening.

YanksFanSince78
4 years 6 months ago

That’s not happening.

Boz
4 years 6 months ago

that’s what everyone said to me when I said they were going to sign Tex, CC and AJ.

East Coast Bias
4 years 6 months ago

That example is not comparable. They NEEDED pitching and a 1st baseman. Yanks don’t need a 1st baseman anymore… yet somehow they still need pitching. smh

Boz
4 years 6 months ago

true but I think anything is possible. especially since cashman might be done after this year. if they steinbrenner boys take over GM duties it could be madness. I think they would easily justify it being that it is Pujols.

East Coast Bias
4 years 6 months ago

Let me guess, you’re not from anywhere near New York. Sorry bro, but you sound like someone who doesn’t have a clue about NY sports.

Boz
4 years 6 months ago

hahahaha ok BRO.

i said anything is possible. I didn’t say that is what I thought was going to happen.

you sounds like someone who goes around claiming they are from new york and accusing other people of not being from new york, when in reality you live in the pit stain that is new jersey.

why dont you try and counter my ideas with why it wouldn’t happen instead of trashing my NY fandom. quality post right there BRO

East Coast Bias
4 years 6 months ago

Because I’ve read your previous posts and concluded that you lack the baseball intellect to derive real possibilities? Yeah, I’ll go with that. But if you insist…

anything is possible – Yes, I agree. Why do people say this? It’s the most overused caveat in the known world. Be a man. Cowards hide behind such statements.
cashman might be done after this year – Very doubtful.
Steinbrenners take over GM duties – No.

Happy? And just for the record, I grew up in Astoria and live in the LES now. And I’ll say it again. You don’t have a clue about NY sports. So much so that I’m borderline offended!

Boz
4 years 6 months ago

people say it because it is true, especially when concerning the Yankees.

cashman might be done after this year – Very doubtful. – I said might be done which implies doubt. I do not think he will be done but there have been reports stating that he may move on from the Yankees organization.

Steinbrenners take over GM duties – No. – No? really no, ok just because you said so? it’s not like they have stepped over Cashman before…cough cough, Soriano, Cough. obviously they have a similar knack for power control like their father.
yes, they may hire another GM but its not unlikely it could be a puppet GM.

As for being a Man, how do I do that now? puff out my chest and expose my internet muscles like you are? thanks, I’m good.

btw, I really dont care where you live. Just because you live in NY doesnt make your opion more valid. it is still your opinion.

I might throw some whacky ideas out there from time to time but mostly it is just playing devils advocate. So try not to get too offended.

YanksFanSince78
4 years 6 months ago

Levine has his head up his @ss but even he wouldn’t think it was wise to sign AP and move anyone to 3B or LF.

woadude
4 years 6 months ago

This is not a video game….

Boz
4 years 6 months ago

maybe you havent been paying attention to Yankees transactions for the past 10 years

woadude
4 years 6 months ago

How could I not? The Yankees are always being talked about, shoot this is the one time they have NO SHOT at a player and they seem to be involved in this, Yankee fans have this belief that after they sign a player to a ridiculous sum they can just flip them to another team to get a better player, There was a saying people that weren’t Yankee fans used to say a lot….our team is not here to serve the needs of the Yankees.

YanksFanSince78
4 years 6 months ago

Stop waving candy that can’t be had in front of crying babies.

Lunchbox45
4 years 6 months ago

No one likes to play arm chair GM with a budget 😉

HoppinBob79
4 years 6 months ago

Hello

Chuck345
4 years 6 months ago

Hi.

Lunchbox45
4 years 6 months ago

this is awkward

Brad426
4 years 6 months ago

Pretend you don’t see him…

wickedkevin
4 years 6 months ago

I’m scared..who is Bob…? and WHY IS HE HOPPIN’!?

Ian_Smell
4 years 6 months ago

I lol’d

East Coast Bias
4 years 6 months ago

What a great post chain!

Ian_Smell
4 years 6 months ago

Agreed. Greatest there’s been in a while.

Green_Monster
4 years 6 months ago

Best post I’ve seen in a while. Hilarious!

The_BiRDS
4 years 6 months ago

I was told by a close source of the Cardinals that he agreed to terms on a extension last night and they are going to wait to announce it when Albert shows up in Jupiter.
Its supposably a 7 year 28 million with incentives to reach 30 and a option for 8.
Im sure this is a rumor or BS but I did hear it from a credible source and I hope he is correct.

4 years 6 months ago

I hope you’re right. That seems reasonable to me.

4 years 6 months ago

Your source will be wrong if he’s not as credible as Buster Olney and Ken Rosenthal…

Brad426
4 years 6 months ago

Rosenthal is sort of a low bar…

TartanElk
4 years 6 months ago

At least he does a reasonable job of trying to be accurate. Unlike that slob from New York, whatever his name is.

disgustedcubfan
4 years 6 months ago

ESPN radio just said the Cards offered 8 years/200 million which was quickly turned down.

Chuck345
4 years 6 months ago

Cards: “Hey Albert, how about 8 years/200 mill…..”
Pujols (interrupts mid-sentence): “No.”

Lunchbox45
4 years 6 months ago

rightfully so.

woadude
4 years 6 months ago

I heard the stickler part was the 99 cents at the end of the contract, Pujols wants even money and doesn’t like loose change.

jwsox
4 years 6 months ago

where did you hear this? who told you? how do they know? how close to the cards are they? can it be proved?

TahoePadreFan
4 years 6 months ago

So a quick question. If Pujols signs a deal with St Louis, does he then forfeit his 5/10 rights for blocking trades? or can St. Louis, just trade him once he signs, if there is not a no-trade clause?

jwsox
4 years 6 months ago

how does that make any sense at all first of all the only time 10/5 rights are changed is when a player elects free agency or if they lift the 10/5 to be traded….10/5 dont go away for signing an extension if it did most people would never get 10/5 rights…and his new contract would more than likely have a no trade clause written into it

4 years 6 months ago

“Pujols is not looking for a miraculous deal.”

So the Cardinals are just being cheap? Like I said before: if an extension isn’t signed, I’ll be interested in hearing what the final offer was.

The_BiRDS
4 years 6 months ago

Buster Onely is about to announce whether or not he will being playing 1st base for the Cardinals in 2012.

TartanElk
4 years 6 months ago

Isn’t Olney a bit small for a baseball player?

Brad426
4 years 6 months ago

David Eckstein taps you on the shin to say hello. Wave down to him… hey David!

woadude
4 years 6 months ago

Pedroia says hi

TartanElk
4 years 6 months ago

Doesn’t Olney make both of those guys look gigantic? Isn’t Olney somewhere around Elijah Wood sized?

Slash Star Wars, short to be a stormtrooper reference.

acyikac
4 years 6 months ago

Teixeira has a full no-trade clause so I can’t imagine he’s going anywhere. The Yankees are going to have a logjam at DH in the next few seasons as it is. And how did the Cardinals let it come to this? Why did they not sign (or at least try to sign) him to an extension last year or the year before? @Wonderboy — you mention that Pujols has made a lot of money already, but the fact is based on his performance, he’s been taking “the hometown discount” his entire career. Pujols has always outperformed his contract and the $89 million he’s made thusfar pales in comparison to the $270 or so in monetized wins he’s been worth to the Cardinals. Their lack of foresight is matched only by the Yankees’ in terms of their starting rotation.

The_BiRDS
4 years 6 months ago

You cant say that Pujols has gave STL a “hometown discount” just because he outperformed his worth of his past contract. He was worth 100mil when he signed 100mil. He agreed that he was worth 100mil the last time an all he did was prove he was better. Thats not a discount for the Cards thats a surplus.

YanksFanSince78
4 years 6 months ago

Pujols signed for 7/$100 mil (avg $15 mil per) years after Arod ($25mil), Manny ($20 mil), Jeter ($18.9 mil), Giambi ($17 mil), Bonds ($18 mil) and Piazza ($15 mil). The precedent was laid out that he traded security over getting paid his market value. Now he wants his “cheddar”

Think of AP and the Cards like a hollywood marriage. Like Angelina Jolie choose Billy Bob for comfort, so did AP with his $100 mil deal. Then she grew, matured and had a few good movies underneath her (MVP’s in his case) and he wants his Brad Pitt (no hideo nomo). Cards can either step up to the plate or prepare to go hunting for a replacement. Say hello to Carlos Pena aka baseball’s Kathy Griffin.

Lunchbox45
4 years 6 months ago

of the better posts I’ve ever read on this website.

woadude
4 years 6 months ago

makes…..so…..much…….sense…..

East Coast Bias
4 years 6 months ago

You deserve an award, perhaps an oscar would be fitting.

(Still laughing at the clever use of “no hideo nomo” hahaah)

YanksFanSince78
4 years 6 months ago

Thanks ECB. I had to be clever…(the man is watching…shhhhhh).

4 years 6 months ago

Whats getting lost in all this drama is Prince Fielder. He’s slated to be a free agent at seasons end, and while he’s no Pujols, He’s good enough to keep Pujols price tag down on the open market.

start_wearing_purple
start_wearing_purple
4 years 6 months ago

Why? Pujols price tag wouldn’t change even with Babe Ruth and Ted Williams on the open market.

TwinsVet
4 years 6 months ago

There’s a mixed history on that.

Sometimes, yes, multiple high-end players drive down the price.

But it’s not completely unheard that the price for one of the them (probably Prince in this case) actually rises, because everyone who missed out on the first guy is desperate to get the remaining one, so they don’t walk away with nothing.

Jason Klinger
4 years 6 months ago

Nah – Fielder will be lucky to get 5 years at $22 million per.

4 years 6 months ago

I don’t think the Cardinals are trying to undervalue Pujols’ contract. They’re trying to get a deal that makes sense for them. There becomes a point where it’s just not financially logical to give someone that type of money.

I’m not sure I understand what Pujols’ stance is. He’s said for years that he wants to play on a competitive team but he should know as well as anyone that the Cards won’t be competitive if they give him 30 mill a year.

wickedkevin
4 years 6 months ago

This is the end….My only friend, the end.

woadude
4 years 6 months ago

yay a doors reference.

4 years 6 months ago

Pujols agent blows, he botched this thing from the beginning.

Lunchbox45
4 years 6 months ago

players control their agents, not the other way around..

if the cards gave Al a deal he wanted he could have easily have informed his agent to take it

YanksFanSince78
4 years 6 months ago

The only way his agent would’ve botched this was if he advised Pujols to sign a below market deal that was later trumped by Agonz or Fielder. Cards still have a chance to sign him, it’s just going to be a lot more difficult and much more drawn out. The only way this “worst case scenario” could be worse was if Pujols had Boras as his agent.

O971
4 years 6 months ago

“The sides have not exchanged proposals in the last four days or so and there’s still a significant gap on annual salary.”

You have to wonder then why the deadline was moved at all if the Cardinals didn’t plan on offering him a contract today. To me the Cardinals have looked afraid to make a move throughout these negotiation.
Pujols in another jersey is a pretty weird thought for me.

4 years 6 months ago

Has anyone brought up the fact that Pujols owns a rather popular restaurant in St. Louis called ‘Pujols 5’? Won’t business for that restaurant suffer if he does not sign with the Cardinals?

I mean, Edmonds has a restaurant here too that is still popular, but it wasn’t his choice to leave…

Lunchbox45
4 years 6 months ago

with 300 million dollars I’m sure he can handle the loss of that restaurant pretty handedly

Chuck345
4 years 6 months ago

Pujols 5? Like Jackson 5?

The_BiRDS
4 years 6 months ago

Ya I dont think hes concerned with his restaurant.. Even if he walks it will stay open

HoppinBob79
4 years 6 months ago

Im sure Pujols has interest in the restaurant, but most of these places are put together by partners who come to a deal with the man and use his name to market the place, I would be shocked if he had more than 15% interest in that place

4 years 6 months ago

The Cards will crush their fan base if the don’t get this done. Realiticlly how many millions is enough? Albert you’re not saving lives or putting yours on the line, It’s a game. Another reason to call agent/lawyers sharks

Brad426
4 years 6 months ago

$300M is the answer to this. $300M. We also would have accepted “More than $300M”.

bobbybaseball
4 years 6 months ago

By the way, what time is CDT? I thought Central Daylight Time is reserved for summer months. Shouldn’t that deadline by CST?

Encarnacion's Parrot
4 years 6 months ago

This is a trainwreck for the Cards. I want to turn away, but I can’t..

4 years 6 months ago

Welcome to the 2012 chicago cubs Mr. Pujols

The_BiRDS
4 years 6 months ago

I think if it comes down to Chicago offering him 30 mil for 10 years and the Cards offer 27 for 8 he will end up taking the Cards offer. People of Chicago, I wouldnt get too excited about Albert, if its a bidding war between the cub Cards Im pretty sure the Cards will do all they can to keep him away from the division rival.
Or you know what? Do get excited about him, so when that day comes all your little cubbie hearts will be broken.

godzillacub
4 years 6 months ago

Meh, the Cubs get Pujols is a great outcome. The Cubs effectively raise the price of Pujols and hamstring a division rival (with much more frugal purse-strings) is pretty good, too.

The Cubs don’t lose in this situation. The Cards do either way.

4 years 6 months ago

Pujols will not make winners out of the Cubs. The Cubs will make a loser out of Pujols. XD

godzillacub
4 years 6 months ago

Meh. Beat that dead horse. And then I’ll say why don’t you “take a nap” at a stop light like your manager. And you’ll say “win a world series this century.” And I’ll say “passively allow a roider to destroy records.” And you’ll say “you, too.” And I’ll say “hope that nick punto thing works out for you at 3rd.”

So let’s give that up and agree that Pujols was a great Cardinal, and will continue to be great on any team he signs with. And if that team is the Cardinals, you better pray that Duncan can continue to turn pitchers around, cause you’re going to need a budget staff cause you won’t be able to afford Wainwright, Carpenter, or Garcia after they hit free agency or arbitration, respectively.