Cardinals, Pujols Remain Far Apart

Albert Pujols and the Cardinals remain far apart in discussions about a possible extension, according to Jon Heyman of SI.com (Twitter links). Heyman says the sides are so far apart that there's "virtually no chance" for a deal by Pujols' February 16th deadline. Pujols is looking for Alex Rodriguez money ($275MM over ten years), while the Cardinals are reluctant to offer anything more than a six or seven-year deal.

Pujols, 31, is nine months away from hitting free agency for the first time. The three-time MVP has said that he'll stop negotiating an extension once Spring Training begins, so the Cardinals have exactly one week to reach a deal with him. Ten years into his MLB career, Pujols has 408 home runs and a .331/.426/.624 career line.


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257 Comments on "Cardinals, Pujols Remain Far Apart"


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Jntg4
4 years 4 months ago

I love this.

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RiverKKiller999
4 years 4 months ago

Being a Cub Fan. I bet you do. :)

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Jntg4
4 years 4 months ago

Yep

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jwsox
4 years 4 months ago

i hope you love it because it means there is a chance albert wont be in your divison next year….I also hope you dont think the cubs have a shot to sign him…the cubs will not at all come close to offering him the kind of money it would take to get him there

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Jntg4
4 years 4 months ago

I’m just happy if he leaves. But the Cubs could offer that money, with the money coming off the books next season. Will they get him? Doubt it. But to say they have no chance if pretty far-fetched too.

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4 years 4 months ago

I dont think hes goin to the mets but i would love if he does….the major decision for the mets to be contenders for him is what ike davis does this season…if he improves his game alot and hits around 30 hrs the mets will nt go after pujols…if he shows no improvement or is worse they will go after pujols(this is my opinion)

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Jntg4
4 years 4 months ago

I’m not sure they just want to dump Davis, but then again, it is Pujols.

Guest
4 years 4 months ago

well its not dumping davis its getting a better first basemen and getting rid of davis strategically, for something they will need…such as a pitcher or mybey a second basemen

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Jntg4
4 years 4 months ago

true, just not sure if they want to go that way just yet. Any team with the resources probably would take Pujols though, so I guess.

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soundpilot
4 years 4 months ago

The major decision for the Mets is going to be what their payroll situation is like after the current financial mess they’re in gets sorted out. It’s a big one.

There are a ton of “what if’s” in the Pujols free agent question to me. 27-30MM a year is a ton of cash for any team to be paying someone until that late in their career. I’m a Cardinal fan but even I’m wary of committing that kind of cash (even for a mega-elite #1 superstar) because then we potentially end up with things like an infield comprised of Skip Schumaker, Ryan Theriot and Nick Punto.

Angels just took on Vernon Wells and his ridiculous contract, but probably still have the cash to work something out.

The Cubs have a legitimate shot (at least more than other clubs). StL would also blow a fuse if this ever happened.

Texas could probably ante up money for Pujols. They’re in a better position than when they signed A-Rod, but they’re fully aware that that kind of a contract can potentially cripple a team.

I think BOS will get something done with A-Gon, who is a superstar caliber 1st baseman as it is.

The Dodgers are going through nasty ownership troubles now too.

NYY are always in the discussion purely because cash is involved but I don’t think it’s a reasonable move for them. Teix has a great glove at 1st, Pujols isn’t capable of playing in the outfield anymore (unless you’d like to risk his health at 30MM a year) and he’d be a monstrously expensive DH.

Of course I’m not saying anything that hasn’t been said before 100x. Albert is the best baseball player I’ve had the chance to watch in my lifetime. As much as I love Albert I would much rather see the Cardinals winning and able to plug in real needs on the team instead of having a lineup with Colby, Albert Pujols, Matt Holliday and then replacement level fodder.

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4 years 4 months ago

thats true too… but if they sell the whole team i dont think theres much of a problem any more since its the wilpons who r in trouble…i think they will sell the whole team based on all the offers to buy the whole team

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gramuna
4 years 4 months ago

Trade him to the Yanks for Tex…Tex (not as good) is a cheaper version of Pujols (again people, I said not as good) and the Yanks are the only other team besides the Angels and Dodgers that could afford him. Sox are going to lock up AGON, so they’re out. Makes sense from all sides.

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PujolsHollidayWestbrook
4 years 4 months ago

One small problem…Pujols owns 10/5 rights and can and reportedly will veto any trade to any team. Not to mention, if the Cardinals are going to pay Mark Teixeira as much money as he makes, then why not pay Pujols a little more to keep him instead?

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ubercubsfan
4 years 4 months ago

When does Pujol’s 5/10 go into full effect? His first game was in 2001, so does that mean the Yank’s have till opening day?

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David C. Ruckman
4 years 4 months ago

Pujols’ ten-and-five rights kicked in at the conclusion of the 2010 season, marking ten full seasons with the Cardinals organization. They are already in effect, meaning he has full no-trade rights.

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ubercubsfan
4 years 4 months ago

Oh, I figured it would have been to the exact date of his first game. Thus 4/2/11. My mistake.

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4 years 4 months ago

Albert already has ten years. He played 161 games in 2001.

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YanksFanSince78
4 years 4 months ago

Other problem is that Tex has a no-trade so why would he want to go to St.Louis?

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empathizerightonyourbehind
4 years 4 months ago

probably to hang out with cliff lee in the national league. pwnd.

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YanksFanSince78
4 years 4 months ago

I like your name. I shall give you another shot at humor. Startinggggggg now!

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empathizerightonyourbehind
4 years 4 months ago

signing an 8th inning reliever to a 8-figure deal=humorous. go yankees.

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YanksFanSince78
4 years 4 months ago

OOOOOhhhhh great move. I joke about your lack of humor and you attack me for a move I didn’t make. Good one!

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Ferrariman
4 years 4 months ago

who doesn’t wanna come here!!

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vonhayesdays
4 years 4 months ago

people who like to surf

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YanksFanSince78
4 years 4 months ago

Is that why Lee choose Philly?

B.Cashman

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vonhayesdays
4 years 4 months ago

it was the cheesesteaks and he figured either way he’d be close to the jersey shore

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vonhayesdays
4 years 4 months ago

oh an kristen doesnt like spit on her face

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4 years 4 months ago

To be with the greatest franchise ever in the National League dick.

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jwsox
4 years 4 months ago

because tex is only make 180 mill for the entire life of that deal assuming they trade right now tex would only be making 140 till 2016(22.5 per year) where as albert is looking for 275+(porbably actually 300 mill) for ten…thats a pretty big difference in money…that trade actually makes sense for both teams. tex is just as good defensively, switch hitter, hits for average and great power and younger….albert is albert

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ChrisDaFranchizeHart
4 years 4 months ago

The Cubs could get him, if you look at the money they have coming off the books
Fukudome- 14.5 mill
Silva- 12.75 mill (owed 2 mill in 12′)
Ramirez- 14.6 mill (2 mill owed in 12′ and if they dont pick up his option)
Wood- 1.5 mill
Grabow- 4.8 mill
There are a couple of increases in salary for other players but they should shed at least around 30 mill. They have the motivation to get him and the money if they want to so right now i would say they are the most likely destination. Plus Pujols said he would’nt accept a trade this season so he is not going to get traded for TEX.

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ubercubsfan
4 years 4 months ago

Don’t forget Pena’s 10 mill

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godzillacub
4 years 4 months ago

5 million, he deferred the other 5 million to the 2012 season. So he makes 10 million for a year, but 5 of that counts on each of this and next season.

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BlueCatuli
4 years 4 months ago

No, $5MM is deferred to Jan 1, 2012. It’s not part of the 2012 payroll.

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jwsox
4 years 4 months ago

except for soriano making 18 per annually until his deal runs out in 2014(full NT also)+big z making 18 then 20 in 2012-1213, Arams option could actually get picked up if he has a good healthy years…dempster 14 mill player option(no way he turns that down)…5 mill of penas is deferred until after 2012 garza made 6 in his second arb year(doubling his first so figure he is going to get close to 9 maybe even 10 next season) marmol if he keeps putting up his numbers is going to get very expensive very fast. those are just some of the big raises…I just simply cant see the cubs coming up with 30 mill a year when they have a ton of holes, if arma leave who plays 3rd? and all the money that NEEDS to go to fixing he ballpark(or just get it over with make wrigley a land mark, turn it into a museum and bulid a new park some where else

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zippy05
4 years 4 months ago

I can’t see him going to the Cubs he always has said he wants to be on a winning team and the Cubs are surely not a winning team. I really don’t see Pujols going anywhere he is so established in St. Louis and his family, even if we don’t sign him by February 16th we have all rights to him after the season and even 5 days after the World Series so we have some time to get him to stay after the 2011 season.

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4 years 4 months ago

Pujols has 10 and 5 rights now, doesn’t he? I seriously doubt he agrees to a trade at any point in the season, unless he’s offered an other-worldly extension by the team trying to trade for him. Otherwise, he’ll just finish out the season with the Cardinals. It’s not like he’s not gonna have any serious suitors for his services. Sure, Tex would be cheaper for the Cardinals…..but I think he’s already overpaid.

Anyway, it’ll be interesting if the Cardinals fall out of contention before the trade deadline. Surely the package they can get for him is worth a lot more than 2 potential draft picks, but I don’t see Pujols waiving his no-trade clause for anyone.
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jwsox
4 years 4 months ago

he might, he has stated over and over again he will do anything as long as it helps the team win(which is why this whole situation is werid, i mean honestly what are you going to do with all the money he already has 100’s of millions from baseball and endorsements why does he NEED so much more) if the cards are not even close to contending and he wants another rign that badly he might waive it to give him self a chance, the cards a chance to make up for him leaving and help his rep

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nepp
4 years 4 months ago

Tex has a full no-trade clause.

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woadude
4 years 4 months ago

Ok, the Yanks have locked up Tex at a huge price no clubs would ever go to, the Sox have NOT locked up Agon yet so they are in a better position to go after Pujols than NY, that being said, there are teams to watch in the Pujols saga, the Brewers with Fielder becoming a FA, the Mariners who have under 100 million payroll and no real 1st baseman…sorry Smoak. Those teams have shots at him.

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Triple Hawpes Brewed
4 years 4 months ago

Let the speculation on what uniform Pujols will don in 2012 commence. I’ll take a long shot and say the Nats…

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Jntg4
4 years 4 months ago

Cubs :)

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ubercubsfan
4 years 4 months ago

I concur!

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Triple Hawpes Brewed
4 years 4 months ago

Cubs already have the 3rd highest payroll, don’t they? Do they even have the funds to throw $30 mil/year at Pujols?

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Jntg4
4 years 4 months ago

They also have, at the absolute least, even after arbitration next year, 30 Million coming of the books. They aren’t 3rd anymore for the 2011 season though.

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Triple Hawpes Brewed
4 years 4 months ago

You’re forgetting that even if they have $30 mil coming off the books, that Pujols would take the entire amount himself. Who takes the place of Wood, Ramirez, Fukudome, etc.?

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Jntg4
4 years 4 months ago

Ramirez would be hard to replace. But the Cubs payroll isn’t set in stone, despite it going down a bit this year. Wood seems not to care about money at all, he just wants to be a Cub, which is why he signed for 1.5 Million. Fukudome, could be replace by anyone. They already have Colvin pushing Fukudome onto the bench and Brett Jackson almost ready to debut.

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jwsox
4 years 4 months ago

at best they are 4th, they didnt have a lot of money coming off the books and with raises and garza they took on more then they lost

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Jntg4
4 years 4 months ago

Baseball-Reference’s estimates have them at 5th going into the season.

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NL_East_Rivalry
4 years 4 months ago

Cubs have a ton of money coming of the books. They can offer the most.

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YanksFanSince78
4 years 4 months ago

It’s always a possibility that he would go anywhere that’s willing to pay him the money AND has the capacity to field a winning team. But d@mn, would Pujols pull a cold as ice move and sign with their arch rivals? That would quickly turn the situation from a “Oh well, we couldn’t afford him” feeling from the fans, to a “D@mn money hungry b@st@rd. Screw him!!!”.

Add in some derivative of Dan Gilbert (Cavs owner) and Ceely’s (from the Color Purple) “until you do right by me (us), everything you touch…..” speech for more dramatic flair.

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Jntg4
4 years 4 months ago

That may be so, but we don’t know.

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David Jackson
4 years 4 months ago

The Cardinals haven’t even made Pujols AN OFFER yet. If he ends up with the Cubs, it’s not going to be Albert’s fault.

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BlueCatuli
4 years 4 months ago

Cardinals

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4 years 4 months ago

He wants to play for a winner. Forget the Nats.

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Triple Hawpes Brewed
4 years 4 months ago

That’s funny, thought I said something about a “long shot.”

Werth/R. Zimmerman/Strasburg/Harper/J. Zimmerman/Storen/Pujols…not bad. If they get a few pieces for the rotation, watch out…

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jwsox
4 years 4 months ago

they are clearly willing to spend

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4 years 4 months ago

Pretty sure, he makes the Nats a legitimate contender.

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The_BiRDS
4 years 4 months ago

I have a hunch that Pujols hates Bryce Harper.. Have you seen Pujols reaction on the Bryce Harper Espn special when they were talking about his 500 ft blast?
“Yeah, thats impressive but he used an aluminum bat”
Alberts face was priceless when they asked him that.

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Commander_Nate
4 years 4 months ago

But they stole Jayson Werth away from the Phillies and Red Sox…surely they are a force to be reckoned with!

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MaineSox
4 years 4 months ago

They should apply the same strategy they used to get Werth and offer Pujols 15 years and $600M

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niched
4 years 4 months ago

Something close to that could happen. Nats owner is the richest in baseball, and Pujols would double the attendance and TV ratings of the Nats overnight..

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nepp
4 years 4 months ago

Yeah…stole….

~busts out laughing~

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The_BiRDS
4 years 4 months ago

So that would cancel out the cubs too.

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4 years 4 months ago

You can throw out the Cubs as well… He ends up with an American League team if he doesn’t extend with the Cardinals…

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The_BiRDS
4 years 4 months ago

Angels.. if he wants 30mil from a ball club imagine what he will make in endorsements out in LA.

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niched
4 years 4 months ago

I wonder if he’s thinking Southern California too if he doesn’t go back to the Cards. I’d much rather see him a Dodger, but the Angels are probably in a better financial position.

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niched
4 years 4 months ago

The “winners” all already have first basemen

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4 years 4 months ago

thats extremely interesting thought with the phenom, mega-prospect bryce harper coming up to the majors in a few years. pujols could be a mentor to him. but i thought the nats were a small market team? but i do remember hearing something about an ownership change so maybe the new owner has more money.

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AceGunderson
4 years 4 months ago

A question for Cards fans. If you KNEW Pujols was not going to re-sign after the season AND you were out of contention at the deadline…would you trade him?

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4 years 4 months ago

Yes, why wouldn’t you? Seeing as though he will veto every trade the Cardinals try and make, this is a dumb question to ask…

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AceGunderson
4 years 4 months ago

Why do people blindly believe whatever Pujols says, but dismiss most other athletes?

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stl_cards16
4 years 4 months ago

Good point, and also I have never seen a quote from Albert saying he would not accept a trade. The way the article looked, it was pure speculation by Olney.

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NL_East_Rivalry
4 years 4 months ago

Depends on the package, but the bigger question is, would Pujols accept the trade?

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jwsox
4 years 4 months ago

if he is willing to waive NTC and leave happily..probably give a press conference then yes. You instantly as the cards ownership retire his number…But if your making a trade you make sure the team has at least 4 top 100# prospects and they are willing to give them up other wise you say “I want your #1 pitching, #1 1stbase, #1middle infield, #1 out field prospect and 2 more guys for the hell of it…No?…well no albert for you then, good bye!”

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AceGunderson
4 years 4 months ago

I’m going to have to respectfully disagree with you there. Yes, I think it might be a starting point for the Cards, but not very close to the actual price. Personally, I don’t think Pujols is the best trade chip in baseball (best PLAYER, yes), because of age and contract length (only through this year)…I think that honor might belong to Longoria or King Felix (off the top of my head)…and I don’t even think either one of them would bring a package quite that large. I think, in this theoretical scenario, the Cards would get offered and take less than that in return when they know the alternative is only a couple of draft picks compensation. I do see where you’re coming from though…

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bunderw
4 years 4 months ago

Pujols has already said that he’ll veto all trades, so this idea is pretty irrelevant.

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AceGunderson
4 years 4 months ago

Pujols said it, so it’s written in stone.

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stl_cards16
4 years 4 months ago

Can we get a link to a quote where Albert Pujols said this? The only thing I have seen is Buster Olney”heard” he would block a trade.