Quick Hits: Shields, Cardinals, Lawrie, Montero

Links for Friday, as Ichiro donates over $1.2MM to victims of the earthquake and tsunami in Japan…


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55 Comments on "Quick Hits: Shields, Cardinals, Lawrie, Montero"


frogbogg
4 years 5 months ago

You mean to tell me…… Jesus Montero isn’t Pudge like the Yankees say so??

Vmmercan
4 years 5 months ago

Has one person ever said that to you from a defensive standpoint? Ever? Anywhere?

Guest
4 years 5 months ago

No it is because he is a Yankee. Pretty much everyone on the team is either washed up or over hyped….at least if you believe all of the so called experts.

FowlofCanada
4 years 5 months ago

I’m a member of CAA too.

MaineSox
4 years 5 months ago

As a Red Sox fan I’m not enthusiastic about Jesus Montero’s ability to hit. :-/

Encarnacion's Parrot
4 years 5 months ago

Regardless if it’s his home country, that’s an absolute classy move by Ichiro. $1.2mil is a beastly donation for any one person.

notsureifsrs
4 years 5 months ago

ichiro – still the best at everything

Encarnacion's Parrot
4 years 5 months ago

He’d even make driving a Toyota Prius look good.

MB923
4 years 5 months ago

Maybe Ichiro drives a Suzuki

JacksTigers
4 years 5 months ago

It’s funny because his last name is the same name as the car company.

MB923
4 years 5 months ago

And maybe Whitey drove a Ford, right?

JacksTigers
4 years 5 months ago

I don’t know. I don’t keep track of Whitey Ford’s vehicles of choice. Sheesh.

MB923
4 years 5 months ago

And they call you guys the Motor City? Come on now! :p

But back to the OT, very nice of Ichiro to do that.

JacksTigers
4 years 5 months ago

Yes. Very nice.

The_BiRDS
4 years 5 months ago

Who needs Wainwright when you got Kyle Loshe.

Stl_Great
4 years 5 months ago

That statement singe handedly explains why the Cardinals will be 2011 WS champs.

Ferrariman
4 years 5 months ago

the cardinals do, since all we have is Kyle Lohse.

4 years 5 months ago

Good luck in your retirement and thanks for the memories, Scot!

4 years 5 months ago

A-rod was a decent defensive SS, so I don’t see how that comparison holds. He should have been the SS for the Yankees when he came over too. Also, i might be willing to match that bet with real money.

4 years 5 months ago

Frankie Piliere, in this week’s fangraphs chat, said “there is a difference between someone who is below average at a position and someone who can’t play the position at all.” He said that Montero is the former rather than the latter. Considering he is a former scout, I’m willing to put stock in his statement.

jwredsox
4 years 5 months ago

I doubt that. Montero isn’t athletic behind the plate, doesn’t receive the ball well, and his one true asset (his arm strength) is negated by his terrible footwork which makes him take a long time to get rid of the ball. From what I’ve read, there are bad catchers like Posada then there’s Montero on a whole different level.

notsureifsrs
4 years 5 months ago

yeah, i bet those scouts hadn’t heard of mike piazza

YourBase
4 years 5 months ago

Jorge Posada was never a good catcher (defensively) but he stayed behind the plate for a long time because of his bat. I think Montero will hit even better. Besides, he’s apparently gotten better behind the plate.

4 years 5 months ago

Seriously, you’re comparing Montero to Piazza with 0 ABs at the major league level? I’d take that bet, but I doubt you have the cash to back it up.

notsureifsrs
4 years 5 months ago

it helps montero that we don’t have a very effective way to measure how much a bad catcher hurts his club. but barring some huge turnaround, i don’t think montero will stick. even if he spends his first year or two behind the plate, one of nyy’s several talented prospects — at least one of which (sanchez) looks like he’ll hit well — will probably push him out

Steve_in_MA
4 years 5 months ago

Agreed, but I watched Montero last week. Its just not going to happen. He had balls sailing over his glove, couldn’t block,couldn’t frame anything, had no lateral capability, and I’m guessing he wasn’t very good at pitch calling, assuming he was calling, based on results.

Look, the kid is huge, generally athletic and has a potential “monster” bat. But any scout who thinks this kid can play catcher at the MLB level needs to go ahead and quit, now. Its not a put-down on the Yanks. Its just reality. He’s a one-dimensional player who can hit for enormous power. That, alone, can get you far. Ask Adam Dunn.

And maybe, he might be better at some other position.

4 years 5 months ago

2002-2003 Was AROD in his prime, no?

notsureifsrs
4 years 5 months ago

he’s pretending that since there is a conceivable interpretation of his badly-written post that would save it from being wrong, you guys are the weird ones for interpreting it any other way but that one

it’s pretty slick if you ask me. big dawg

MB923
4 years 5 months ago

The point is why are you comparing Piazza’s mediocre catching to A-Rod when he was playing gold glove SS?

4 years 5 months ago

“And where do you see me making that comparison?

8th grade elementary school reading comprehension is tough to master huh?”

!!! >.< !!!

MB923
4 years 5 months ago

They did it with Posada behind Girardi when Posada came up, and it worked out fairly well. Who is to say it can’t work out with Montero doing it behind Martin?

MB923
4 years 5 months ago

Well then I have no idea why you’re even comparing their bats either. A-Rod’s bat blows Piazza’s out of the water.

In an 12 year span (93 – 04) Piazza had a bat value of 411.7

From 96 to 2007 a 12 year span for A-Rod, he had a bat value of 588.8

Horrible comparisons regardless.

Fangaffes
4 years 5 months ago

Anyone who actually made it all the way to high school can see that you compared Piazza and ARod both offensively and defensively. Maybe you didn’t mean to, but that’s on you, not the people who responded to your post.

4 years 5 months ago

“Piazza sucked behind the plate but his bat there was ridiculous. Like A-Rod in his prime at SS.”

Piazza was so good with the bat, his defense didn’t matter.. That is what I got out of it.

MB923
4 years 5 months ago

I think he’ll be a fairly good hitter myself. Probably as good as Posada, maybe better. Let’s wait and see, but I do hope they keep him.

I was also hoping (even though I don’t like the Red Sox) that Clay Buccholz wouldn’t be a failure and he had a great season last year. Hoping Hughes can have a great year himself. Glad to see the classic rivalry looking good for the future. From Bernie, Pettitte, Jeter, Rivera. Nomar, Nixon, Varitek and Pedro, now all the way to Cano, Gardner, Montero, Banuelos (hopefully) and Hughes to Pedroia, Youlk, Ellsbury, Lester and Buchholz.

Slopeboy
4 years 5 months ago

You make a good point regarding the age factor. Everyone seems to overlook the fact that Montero is just 21 years old. In a convoluted way, the injury to Cervelli may have actually hurt Montero’s progression. He would have most likely been better off learning to box pitches in the dirt, frame pitches and call a game at AAA on a daily basis rather than play part time in the majors. Having great people mentor you is fine, but nothing prepares you better than playing, as your point with Posada.

Fangaffes
4 years 5 months ago

???

I saw him in last weekend’s game against the Red Sox. He made regular pitches look like he was trying to catch a knuckleball. He has career DH written all over him.

MB923
4 years 5 months ago

But A-Rod was good on both sides. A-Rod was a 5 tool player. Why he’s comparing the 2 is beyond me.

MB923
4 years 5 months ago

As I said, even their hitting numbers are not remotely close.

MB923
4 years 5 months ago

If they keep Swisher they could also put Montero in LF in 2013. Granderson has 2 years left on his contract and I wouldn’t see the Yankees picking up his option. Swisher has a club option after this year.

Funny how the Yankees outfield in 2 or 3 years could possibly even be Jeter in left, Gardner in center and Montero in right.

MB923
4 years 5 months ago

Imagine all you want. But in reality, I can see from reading responses by many others to your posts in this thread and other threads, you get disagreements all the time.

Have a good evening too.

MB923
4 years 5 months ago

Didn’t hear about that, interesting story. I guess since it’s not something that’s on his mind and he’s focused on 2011, he doesn’t really want to think about the OF. Just like after they lost to the Rangers in the ALCS, a reporter asked him about him in the free agency, he said I”m not worried about that right now at all.

UnJeterlike though to walk out. He’s usually good with the press.

MB923
4 years 5 months ago

1 game is your example? And how do you know he can’t be an OFer eventually?

4 years 5 months ago

Dude, I have a great solution. I hear there is this blog called freeaec or something extremely lame. You should start posting there and then you can talk all you want.

Ferrariman
4 years 5 months ago

you know, when EVERYONE reads your statement the same way, that usually means something. Sometimes being hard headed and trying to shove a point down is a great way to lose credibility. Your losing yours very fast, if you really had any to lose in several people’s eyes.

JacksTigers
4 years 5 months ago

For a troll, you sure do call people trolls a lot.

Lunchbox45
4 years 5 months ago

dude seriously, no one likes you here. No one cares what you think nor has anyone considered you to have a rational thought. You make dumb people feel good about themselves, because you are dumber.

if you don’t like people disagreeing with your stupidity you have 2 options

1) get smarter and less annoying
2) go post on another site

stop wasting everyones time and patience you’re worse then a child

Fangaffes
4 years 5 months ago

Yeah, I suppose there are some very good hitters who make their living in the outfield despite their clumsy footwork.

4 years 5 months ago

They need to move him NOW, like tomorrow.. Get him a big glove and hit him 26000 flyballs a day for 3 weeks. Then let him get a good chunk of seasoning in the minors.

MB923
4 years 5 months ago

I can name plenty of those but no point since I’m sure you know the names.

David Jackson
4 years 5 months ago

What he meant was that A-ROD was a bad defensive catcher. I assume that’s why they had him at SS.

4 years 5 months ago

There is no way in hell Arod could replace Jeter at shortstop. Jeter is the best defensive shortstop in baseball with overwhelming range, great arm, ballerina at turning the DP, and the winningest player in baseball over his career. Only a fool would have removed him from his position. Thank God Torre, Girardi and Yankee management are not fools, just WIN METHOD winners.

4 years 5 months ago

LOL

4 years 5 months ago

Well it’s a good thing, you, armchair coach, knows whats going to happen from one week of play. You should write the team and tell them this exciting news.

Steve_in_MA
4 years 5 months ago

I’ll save this conversation and we’ll revisit it in a year or so, because then I’ll have definitive proof to stuff down your throat. You see, its easy to blindly criticize me now. What is harder is for me to hold you accountable for your idiocy when my evaluation proves correct. Yeah, in the case of Montero and his defense as a catcher, I do know what is going to happen. I won’t bother to elaborate further as to why. We’ll just let history play out and prove me correct. But we will revisit this, Mark. And you’ll be plucking feathers from thine mouth.