Quick Hits: Rangers, Weaver, Rodriguez, Thome

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  1. notsureifsrs 4 years ago

    the cubs have a good-size payroll, billy

    and that weaver quote really is awesome

  2. start_wearing_purple
    start_wearing_purple 4 years ago

    I lost any respect I had for Weaver after the incident where he acted like a 4 year old and threw at Avila’s head. But I have to admit that’s the single most practical comment I’ve heard justifying a signing in a long time.

    • Nah he gained respect for throwing at Avila’s head. After getting shown up like that by Guillen. What else did you expect to happen. I lost all respect I had for Guillen for that, not only did he put his teammates at risk but it was also the worst display of sportsmanship I’ve seen since Bryce Harper decided he wanted to be cupid and blow kisses to opposing pitchers

      • whitesoxfan424 4 years ago

        I agree about Guillen, not about Harper.  In the bigs, these guys have the command to really do some damage; and Guillen really put his team at harm by enticing a very good, very emotional, hard throwing pitcher.  As far as Harper, sportsmanship is all fun and great to a point.  I don’t want saps playing this game, I want the best.  I want guys who are a little crazy and emotional.  If all we care about is sportsmanship, then MLB will turn in to what little fun and excitement the NFL is becoming… sadly.

      • Matt Moore 4 years ago

        Shut up and stop being ignorant. Guillen showed Weaver up cause Weaver was yelling at Ordonez after his hr and Cabrera when he was walking off the field earlier in the game. Im sick of people who probly didnt even see the whole game saying that s**t.

      • Bluebirdz 4 years ago

        Wow, I guess you didn’t read the whole story, that pitcher Bryce Harper blew a kiss to was heckling him and throughout at him inside in the previous at bat.

        All Harper was doing was retaliating and I don’t see how he did anything really stupid, it isn’t like he went to the mound and started punching the guy’s head in. No instead he just blew a simple kiss to the pitcher to say thanks for the home run. If that was any other player in the minors it wouldn’t have gotten even a third of the publicity, but because it was super prospect Bryce Harper the whole country has to know about it.

        As for Weaver his actions were stupid too, with the pitches he was throwing he could have ended a guy’s career. Retaliating is one thing, but trying to injure someone that is stupid.

        • patschamps 4 years ago

          Weaver is good enough pitcher that he could of planked him anyplace on his body and that would off huet but no he just sent a warning way high and not too close to his head.  He should of waited and hit Guillen right between the numbers next at bat.  If I was Guillen I would be injuried the next time Weaver is starting against White Sox or you might become injuried.

      • start_wearing_purple
        start_wearing_purple 4 years ago

        He got rattled because he thought Ordonez was showing him up which Ordonez clearly wasn’t. The Guillen gave him the equivalent of the middle finger and Weaver went berserk.

        The point is Weaver threw at Avila’s head over what was basically a pissing contest that he started. The only reason to intentionally throw at a guy’s head is if one of your players was injured due to the actions of the other team. If Weaver thought Guillen was being a poor sport then Weaver should have thrown at Avila’s leg or hip, a warning. But the facts remain… Weaver got rattled, Guillen basically told him “bite me”, then Weaver threw at a guy’s head akin to the way a child throws a temper tantrum. No respect should be given to Weaver for that incident.

        • Leonard Washington 4 years ago

          The correct answer would have been Weaver whipping one at Guillens anywhere but the head. I would have settled for the knee cap, incredibly painful but not deadly. He lives on the DL anyway, and if your confident enough to go off the handle with a stikeout king you get what you get. 

      • You’re aware that the pitcher said something pretty awful to Harper to merit the blown kiss, right?

        • Lunchbox45 4 years ago

          Just curious, was it released what he said?

          • I can’t say it on here, but apparently, it involved one of the words on Samuel L. Jackson’s wallet.

        • BlackDahliaMurder24 4 years ago

          Yeah, of course that whole part was glossed over while jealous sports writers everywhere jumped on him and tried to paint him as this horrible kid.

      • TheHotCorner 4 years ago

        You respect Weaver for throwing at someones head?  Sorry but that is plain stupid.  I am not against throwing at a player but you do it so you are not risking that players career.  What if Avila had got plunked in the head and ended up like Conigliaro (spelling)? 

      • patschamps 4 years ago

        Guillen will get his deserved payback.  Great comment by Weaver and if only others player realize how lucky they are to be PLAYING a game and making a great living at it.  It’s not only enough to live comfortable on but the other players that have to be the highest paid are just greedy.  But then again the owners are stupid enough to pay it. 

    • Commander_Nate 4 years ago

      But you’re cool with Verlander losing his temper because of Aybar’s bunt the next inning and threatening him from the mound and the dugout, right? And if he beans him during the next Angels-Tigers game, it’s okay, right?
      Everyone needs to get over this incident already. It was two elite pitchers on two contending teams going at it in a close game. Some players were d*cks to other players after they felt they or their teammates had been disrespected. This stuff happens in baseball and makes the game fun to watch. Get over it.

    • Commander_Nate 4 years ago

      But you’re cool with Verlander losing his temper because of Aybar’s bunt the next inning and threatening him from the mound and the dugout, right? And if he beans him during the next Angels-Tigers game, it’s okay, right?
      Everyone needs to get over this incident already. It was two elite pitchers on two contending teams going at it in a close game. Some players were d*cks to other players after they felt they or their teammates had been disrespected. This stuff happens in baseball and makes the game fun to watch. Get over it.

  3. Perhaps Billy Beane should think of a way to exploit the other teams’ aggressiveness and find a new under-utilized approach to analyze players. Oh wait…

  4. billy beane…..mr. overrated.  how many playoff apperances have your teams had?

    • Lunchbox45 4 years ago

      his legacy will be that in many ways he opened the sport to a whole new and more precise way of looking at players and performance..

      I don’t see how his own teams success should be necessarily tied to that. Successful teams have adopted many of those ideas and are currently using them to help construct their play off teams.

      • notsureifsrs 4 years ago

        of the people who criticize beane/moneyball, probably no more than 20% are able to identify what moneyball was actually about. not knowing anything about it, they just have some vague idea in their head gleaned from second-hand commentary and the OBP revolution and resent him for his popularity

        beane is a very good baseball mind and a very good GM

        • Lunchbox45 4 years ago

          wait, wait, wait so you’re saying it’s not a book about drafting fat players?

          • notsureifsrs 4 years ago

            no you twit. fat players that get on base

          • Lunchbox45 4 years ago


            boo to disqus

          • Lunchbox45 4 years ago

             this should have accompanied the post

      • Leonard Washington 4 years ago

        I guess both of your arguments are relevant. Yes other teams have implemented those principles arguably better than Beane. Ultimately playoff appearances do play a role though because no system is too incredibly effective if it only creates middle of the division teams year after year. Ill say this though the A’s are one of the best at taking garbage and turning it into gold, especially pitching wise. 

      • crashcameron 4 years ago

        hed put together a nearly great A’s team. only problem: he failed to analyze Jeremy Giambi’s inability to slide

    • His teams have had a bunch of playoff appearances. With low payrolls. Are you new to baseball?

  5. whitesoxfan424 4 years ago

    What on earth does Guillen want Thome for?  I understand he’s a great guy, and still has some pop, which would be an improvement over what Dunn has accomplished to this point in the season; but honestly, he’s not what this club needs to make the post-season.  And right now, the chance of the White Sox overtaking the Tigers is incredibly slim.

    • jwsox 4 years ago

      umm because he is a left handed DH that can actually hit the baseball unlike Dunn. And the whitesox are only 6 games back with 6 games left against the tigers this season

      • whitesoxfan424 4 years ago

        C’mon man, I want the White Sox to win the division, too, but it’s not looking good.  We’ve been a .500 team all season, and the Tigers have been hitting a stride.  I seriously doubt Thome would come in and help.

        • Lunchbox45 4 years ago

           but the team leading the division is only 12 games over .500

          soooooo, there’s that

        • jwsox 4 years ago

          again  now the sox are 7 games back with 6 to play against the tigers plus like 8 to play against the indians. I’m not saying it will happen,  im simply saying it might, weirder things have happened in baseball

    • Leonard Washington 4 years ago

      Im sure its just a comment that any former manager of Thome would have made on the hells of 600. He is by all accounts a great guy according to sports center haha.

  6. Oh, NOW you want Thome back? Jesus, Ozzie.

    • Tirameenlasbolas 4 years ago

      He needs someone to go out and have beers with after games.  The rest of the team hates him at this point.

  7. Great comment from Weaver. Granted that’s an easy thing to say when you’re going to end up making 100 million dollars by the end of your career, it’s still nice to hear.

    • David X 4 years ago

      I’ve said it before a lot on these boards, but let’s say there’s $170 million on the table. The first half is the important half. Weaver is absolutely right to lock that $85 million up. If he blows out his arm tomorrow, gets in a car wreck, whatever, he’s set. The second half is not nearly as important. He can’t spend the first half in his lifetime, let alone the second half, so why bother putting it all on the line to get it? Not worth the risk. Ask former NBA player Derrick Coleman about turning down a $69 million contract.

      It’s a concept called the utility value of money, and it’s important. If you were penniless and someone gave you a million bucks, then offered you a coin flip to risk your million to win $5 million more, a 50-50 shot with a 5-1 payoff, you’d be a fool to risk it even if the payoff justified it because the first chunk of change is what matters. Lock it up.

  8. crashcameron 4 years ago

    hate the angels more and more but like Jered Weaver more and more (even besides the head throw). his is the “duh” comment of the year (in a good way)

  9. ibleedorangeandblack 4 years ago

    here are the facts: 
    Weaver definitely overreacted when it came to the Ordonez HRGuillen definitely slapped Weaver in the face when he hit his HRWeaver did what pitchers do next…they throw at the guy. If youre gonna get mad at Weaver, get mad at every pitcher that’s ever intentionally hit a guy.Weaver shouldnt have thrown it high. that stuff is risky business.Just like when Schilling said “Josh (Beckett) threw it exactly where he wanted to”…I think Weaver threw it exactly where he wanted to. The whole thing is VERY uncharacteristic of Weaver, but I think a good chunk of pitchers wouldve done the same thing?Is it ok to throw something 90 mph above someone’s head? No. Is it ok to throw something 90 mph at someone at all? No. but they both happen anyway.All that being said…EVERY sports athlete can learn from Weaver. dude takes reduced salary and maybe reduced years to stay and pitch in anaheim. Sabathia is opting out of a contract thats more total money at fewer years cuz he wants more. Sabathia is on top of the list of guys that can learn from Weaver.

    • RandomN8 4 years ago

      As an Angel Fan, Weaver was over reacting and I’m sure someone had a talk with him after that. You never throw at a guys head. He should have waited and beamed Guillen in the Hip next time he faced him. I think he learned a lesson. If Tori Hunter would have done the same thing Guillen did. I would have expected Tori get beamed too.

      • Matt Moore 4 years ago

        Tori should get hit in the face just for violently flipping his bat like he hit a hr ever time he makes contact…

  10. notsureifsrs 4 years ago

    i agree that throwing at a guy’s head is totally off-limits. but curt schilling (i know everyone hates him) had an interesting take on a situation once in which josh beckett threw a fastball 8 inches over the head of bobby abreu:

    schilling was asked if he thought beckett had done it on purpose and was trying to drill abreu. after all, beckett has pretty fantastic fastball command. schilling simply said “i think josh threw it exactly where he wanted to”

    and it’s a good point. there’s something to be said for throwing at a guy without intending to drill him. i’d be in favor of harsh penalties for actually hitting a guy above the shoulders, but not for almost doing so

  11. Uh, if you saw the play, the pitch came in the 80, weaver thorws low 90,s, also it went a good amount above his head showing he didn’t want to acgualy hit him, just scare him. If he wanted to hit him he would have thrown the ball even ahrder and lower. Weaver made the mistake of thinking Ordonez was showing poor sportsmanship when really he was seing if it was fair or foul, but i have no problem of throwing OVER the head of someone to scare them to get back at Guillen. Guillen is at blame if anyone. Now that weaver said these comments, i hope more MLB players take the same path and not choose the most money when it is up in the 100 Millions and choose a place that suits them and their family, gives them a chance to win, and they enjoy. Good Job Weaver. 

  12. jwsox 4 years ago

    who has died from that? im not trying to be a jerk im asking seriously who has died in an MLB game from a pitcher throwing at someones head?

  13. Lunchbox45 4 years ago

    The x factor in all of that is the ability for the player to get out of the way…

    If you’re looking fastball and you see it coming up, you can move…. But if you’re looking offspeed, and bam all of a sudden a 95 mph comes at your head. chances are its hitting you.

    I don’t know the situation you cited above involving beckett, but I know just from playing and watching tons of games, most pitchers that throw at someones head with intent are throwing the ball to move the player, not actually to hit them, but if the player doesn’t react in time, it should/could hit him.

    just as a side note. Morrow hit Casper Wells in the face last week with a heater, and went on Twitter after to message him to apologize see if he was okay.. thought that was cool

  14. crashcameron 4 years ago

    not particularly a BoSox fan (except when it comes to the Yankees) but I think Schilling was an absolute bulldog that proved it time and again. for that, he deserves to say pretty much what he wants to

  15. notsureifsrs 4 years ago

    guys like marmol and chapman may never pitch a full season again

  16. jwsox 4 years ago

    im sorry it has not been like that in baseball…yes guys get thrown at..which is stupid…Why throw at a another player on the team when you can throw at the person who upset you….weaver should have thrown at guillen or had guillen thrown at the next game…thats actual retaliation…That being said throwing at a batter is plain stupid. This isnt hockey, or football…baseball is a non contact sport(unless you are buster posey, too soon?) there is no need for this stupid bush league 1920’s mentality of throwing at someone. Let alone throwing at someones head….Yes guys have been beaned and thrown at for all of baseball but throwing at someones head is something that should be dealt with right away, tossed, fined and suspened…

    and that whole argument of, “its how baseball has always been and always will be” is stupid. For years baseball was a whites only game, that changed. For years baseball was an american only game, that changed. For years baseball was a PED sport, that changed. These new ideas are new and exicting and GOOD for the game. Such as replay, i bring it up because the “thats how baseball is” argument is always used here. Its 2011 not 1911, times change games evolve. And this game needs to change.

  17. jwsox 4 years ago

    guys like marmol and chapman probably never should considering how horrible their controll is

  18. CAD_Monkey 4 years ago

    Ray Chapman, although it wasn’t intentional, and it was a different game back then

  19. 0bsessions 4 years ago

    There’s also debate over whether Tony Conigliaro’s death may have been an eventual result from getting hit in the head. At the least, it destroyed a promising career (Though it’s well noted it was unintentional, even Jack Hamilton’s career was never the same after that).

  20. notsureifsrs 4 years ago

    you are suspended for one year

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