Blue Jays Acquire Luis Valbuena From Indians

The Indians have traded Luis Valbuena to the Blue Jays in exchange for cash considerations, according to the team's officlal Twitter account.  The infielder was designated for assignment on November 18th.

Valbuena spent the majority of 2011 with Cleveland's Triple-A affiliate where he hit .302/.372/.476 with 17 homers in 472 plate appearances.  The infielder, who turns 26 on November 30, played 194 games for the Indians' varsity squad in 2009 and 2010 and saw a good deal of time at second base.


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209 Comments on "Blue Jays Acquire Luis Valbuena From Indians"


Pete Chmielecki
3 years 9 months ago

YES YES YES!!!!! GOOD RIDDANCE!!!!!

RationalSportsFan
3 years 9 months ago

I understand he has been seven levels of awful in the MLB in his career, but his MiLB numbers (especially at the upper levels over the last few years) are quite solid.  He is not a guy that you should be happy to see leave your organization for a mere pittance.

Good (extremely) low risk, solid upside pick-up by Toronto.  In other words, business as usual north of the border.

grownice
3 years 9 months ago

 I love your rationality.

go_jays_go
3 years 9 months ago

YES YES the next Brandon Phillips!

Anthony Polito
3 years 9 months ago

welcome to the blue jays

popular_mechanics_for_pitchers
3 years 9 months ago

Welcome to las Vegas?

xfipMachine
3 years 9 months ago

What do you know, Toronto doing something smart, shocking.

Anthony Polito
3 years 9 months ago

lol your so funny

jedicouncil
3 years 9 months ago

were still waiting for you to do the same, might be a while

Bluejaysnation
3 years 9 months ago

Where have you been the past two years????

Bluejaysnation
3 years 9 months ago

Where have you been the past two years????

WrigleyTerror37
3 years 9 months ago

Hurray something happened!!

crzycanuck
3 years 9 months ago

This tells me trade a trade’s a brewin’.  I wouldn’t be surprised if it involves Oakland’s Bailey or Atlanta’s Jurrjens (one of the coolest names in baseball imo haha).  Both those teams need offense and Toronto has some very good offensive prospects in their system.  I wouldn’t be surprised if Encarnacion and Thames are also involved in a deal.

MacK Korris
3 years 9 months ago

You’re reading way too much into picking up a guy who’s been DFA’ed.

crzycanuck
3 years 9 months ago

Maybe so when it comes this this particular transaction but everyone knows Toronto needs a starter and closer andboth Oak and Atl need offense, hence my post.

Lunchbox45
3 years 9 months ago

AA wouldn’t want Jurrjens, and you continue to overvalue Thames, he’s not bringin anything substantial back in a trade

slider32
3 years 9 months ago

Nobody is trading for Thames unless you want Wells back!

MacK Korris
3 years 9 months ago

What’s the last move that was solely made to set up another deal? The Edwin Jackson deal? We knew Jackson was headed to St. Louis almost before the deal to Toronto was even done, lol.

slider32
3 years 9 months ago

Toronto would have been wise to keep Jackson, then they would not need a #2.

3 years 9 months ago

Maybe in the nl central Jackson is a 2 but in the al east Jackson is a 3 at best and the jays have 3s

grownice
3 years 9 months ago

 True , they would need a #2 and a starting CF’er.

suhiscrazierthanyou
3 years 9 months ago

his pending free agency made him both attractive to some teams and unattractive to others…

WarvsBA
3 years 9 months ago

You understand that he if a FA Right now and if the need to be so wise the can sign him now?

Howard
3 years 9 months ago

 Why would we want a guy who walks 7 batters in a playoff game? Might as well of kept Jo-Jo Reyes….

Pete
3 years 9 months ago

Who are the Jays willing to trade who is like Yonder Alfonso or Logan Morrison? All you Jays fans talk a big game without naming names, or putting up terrible matches. Other than Anthony Gose, the Jays don’t have very many expendable hitting prospects, and no one wants David Cooper, Eric Thames or Travis Snider guys, so give up the dream.

Lucas Kschischang
3 years 9 months ago

HAHAHAHA, comparing Yonder Alonso to Travis Snider…

Snider, who’s younger, has had
more plate appearances in the minors, and posted a higher OPS. 

MiLB Stats:

Alonso 24 (4 seasons): 313 GP, 1340 AB, 345 H, 36 HR, 179 RBI, .293 BA, .370 OBP, .466 SLG, .837 OPS

Snider 23 (6 seasons): 439 GP, 1887 AB, 508 H, 73 HR, 325 RBI, .306 BA, .379 OBP, .522 SLG, .901 OPS

Lunchbox45
3 years 9 months ago

 not to mention the fact that Snider has defensive value as well

Bluejaysnation
3 years 9 months ago

And he’s the Lunchbox kid!!

Bluejaysnation
3 years 9 months ago

And he’s the Lunchbox kid!!

Howard
3 years 9 months ago

 And an awesome mustache!

Pete
3 years 9 months ago

Snider, who has looked totally lost at the big league level and cant take a walk to save his life, that Snider?

its not 2009, no one cares about that guy anymore. Alonso has mashed at the big league level and drawn walks too.

Lunchbox45
3 years 9 months ago

lol so what your saying is… forget about stats and reasoning, i’m going to overlook that and stick to my opinion, which is wrong.

stellar stuff pete .

Lunchbox45
3 years 9 months ago

while the trade proposed was ridiculous, and any intelligent jays fan will tell you the same..

the jays have a top 3 farm system, mentioning david cooper and eric thames who were never top 10 organizational guys isn’t exactly proving a point

Howard
3 years 9 months ago

 I’d say Valbuena is a good extra addition, never know what will be available at 2nd base if Kelly Johnson doesn’t stick around… and we need to focus more on another starter and figuring out the closer spot, so… does this kid we got have any speed too or what lunchbox?

3 years 9 months ago

Valmalo isn’t very fast… doesn’t have much range.. has a strong and inaccurate throwing arm.. As a LF’er (after the Indians entire OF was decimated with injuries in 2011) in an emergency fill in role, failed miserably..and can barely hit his weight, and don’t expect him to do anything when it matters.. Another poster mentioned Valmalo in the same context as Brandon Phillips.. at least the Jays fans have a sense of humor… They’ll need it when they see what they’re getting with this guy..

Pete
3 years 9 months ago

Jays have a top 3 farm system???

Um…..what? Homer much?

Lunchbox45
3 years 9 months ago

umm why don’t you look it up. stop emberrasing yourself.. most ratings have them third, the highest they are ranked is 5th.

go home

slider32
3 years 9 months ago

AA, pass the Kool Aid!

grownice
3 years 9 months ago

 Dont group us all together just because of one crazy canuck.

suhiscrazierthanyou
3 years 9 months ago

as a jays fan i hope they don’t give up on snider yet… 
marisnick is a cf prospect that might be available in the right deal. mcdade might be expendable too. can’t say that they really have players with major league experience (as the 2 players you referenced have)

Dawson Bergmann
3 years 9 months ago

Val-bueno home runs, amiright?

mike292929
3 years 9 months ago

I started to think time stopped moving.

popular_mechanics_for_pitchers
3 years 9 months ago

Warning: over used joke ahead

Can he pitch?

Ryan
3 years 9 months ago

Anyone believe this is 2012 2nd baseman starter?

FrankTheFunkasaurusRex
3 years 9 months ago

I think so. Or at least, until he proves he can’t hack it at all, a la Jayson Nix, he’ll be the full time 2B

Lunchbox45
3 years 9 months ago

i dont know about starting 2B.. his career high OBP is .298..

they would have just kept Hill if this was the case

FrankTheFunkasaurusRex
3 years 9 months ago

Hill costs several million while Valbuena costs, what, $500K?

Lunchbox45
3 years 9 months ago

noted. but is saving money really worth adding another batter to a lineup that already struggles to get on base? 

I still think KJ is the best fit for the team.

FrankTheFunkasaurusRex
3 years 9 months ago

If you use the saved money to better ends, such as absorbing Mark Teahen’s contract, then yeah, it’s worth it.

Bluejaysnation
3 years 9 months ago

Agreed. Teahen is a waste of a roster spot. And the only reason he’s on is cause of his hefty salary the Jays inherited. I’d say cut him loose.

sourbob
3 years 9 months ago

To be fair, Valbuena is just 26 and is coming off a season with a .372 OBP in AAA. He has a career mark of .387 in AAA. It’s true he hasn’t produced in the bigs, but it would seem AA thinks there’s still time for him to figure it out.

slider32
3 years 9 months ago

You never know you might catch lightning in a bottle!

LA
3 years 9 months ago

We already did! Is it possible to do it again?

3 years 9 months ago

bingo, thats the point of this deal: probably amounts to nothing, but you never know.

3 years 9 months ago

bingo, thats the point of this deal: probably amounts to nothing, but you never know.

grownice
3 years 9 months ago

 What is the most you’d be comfortable paying for KJ before the picks look more valuable?

Lunchbox45
3 years 9 months ago

dont care about money as much as length of deal. 2 year deal I’m okay with

chances are you arent going to get a first round pick for him anyways. Most teams who are interested have protected picks.

Howard
3 years 9 months ago

 As do I, but him and McCoy could do alright at 2nd if KJ doesn’t stay… what do you think KJ is worth? I’d say like a 2 year 16-18m deal or so, what do you think? And maybe in the end Lawrie at 2nd, Bautista at 3rd, Snider-Rasmus-Thames in the outfield. DH – Edwin, 1st – Lind, just a thought though I think Lawrie wouldn’t do so well at 2nd maybe?

slider32
3 years 9 months ago

Great now your a Money Ball team in the AL East.

grownice
3 years 9 months ago

 Go Away.

suhiscrazierthanyou
3 years 9 months ago

i would hope aa pursues prado if this is what our 2B is looking like

NorthOf49
3 years 9 months ago

Valbuena will just assume the Johnny Mac role, there’s no chance he’ll be starting for Toronto.

FrankTheFunkasaurusRex
3 years 9 months ago

Meh, who really cares? No better option unless bring in a FA, re-sign Johnson, or rush Hechavarria, none of which are really favourable to the Jays.

Howard
3 years 9 months ago

 Exactly!

mike292929
3 years 9 months ago

I would still rather see them resign Kelly Johnson. To me he is insurance if they can’t find a starting 2nd baseman.

Lunchbox45
3 years 9 months ago

 amen

LA
3 years 9 months ago

Why waste 2 picks when we all know we are not going to win next year. We have holes in all pitching positions. By the time next off season, we will be talking about adding pieces for the run at World Series( Optimistic)

slider32
3 years 9 months ago

Maybe on the Mets!

Paul_Zuvella
3 years 9 months ago

No, my bet is that Valbuena becomes the new Johnny Mac around the infield. Mike McCoy can’t hack it and Valbuena has way more offensive upside. Good bench signing….can’t wait to see the other shoe drop and find out who the starter is. 

johnsmith4
3 years 9 months ago

Yep…AA kept referencing how Reds picked up Phillips when he ran out of options with Indians before reaching his prime and he wanted to get a 2B in a similar manner.  Lo and behold, Indians have a 2B prospect out of optional assignments…and that was the rest of the story..

3 years 9 months ago

link? I don’t see this on either team’s twitter feed.

Ryan
3 years 9 months ago

Morosi

3 years 9 months ago

Saw that… but… it’s not what the post says… and Morosi’s tweet was just after MLBTR.. though less than a minute… 

FriedCalamari
3 years 9 months ago

Jays are going to change his whole mechanics and he will, hit 35 HRs tomorrow

FrankTheFunkasaurusRex
3 years 9 months ago

hitting 35 HRs before the season even starts? That’s amazing.

3 years 9 months ago

Especially considering he’s hitting them all in one day.

FrankTheFunkasaurusRex
3 years 9 months ago

7 HRs per at bat.

bayareabeast
3 years 9 months ago

not as amazing as a funkasaurusRex..does it have a afro? maybe some mc hammer pants?

suhiscrazierthanyou
3 years 9 months ago

no, just tomorrow

WrigleyTerror37
3 years 9 months ago

they must have some good batting cages.

Gurvir Nijjar
3 years 9 months ago

I think they let Johnson walk and add one or two more utility guys and depth at second base and draft a second basemen at the draft with the pick or picks that come with letting Johnson walk. 

rzepczynski
3 years 9 months ago

this isnt football, never draft for need in baseball 

suhiscrazierthanyou
3 years 9 months ago

talent should always trump need. best player. always, unless it’s really close

suhiscrazierthanyou
3 years 9 months ago

talent should always trump need. best player. always, unless it’s really close

hurley55
3 years 9 months ago

They should have drafted Kolten Wong to be the 2nd basemen of the future instead of Beede. Hindsight is 20/20 of course but I’d rather have Wong sign right away and be close to the bigs sometime in late 2012/early 2013 than have the 22nd pick in 2012.

Lunchbox45
3 years 9 months ago

There’s absolutely no guarantee that Wong will ever make it to the majors let alone be ready by 2012, he’s only had 47 games to date. 

johnsmith4
3 years 9 months ago

they drafted Berti & Vega-Rosada….they seem to be doing alright

nats2012
3 years 9 months ago

The Blue Jays have a really great GM so this guy will probably turn out to be a star.

3 years 9 months ago

whats his secret? Super devil juice? 

Morley C
3 years 9 months ago

Voodoo.

Ian_Smell
3 years 9 months ago

VAAdAA.

Howard
3 years 9 months ago

 Maybe he will bat .250 15 homers 60 rbis TOPS lol

john12121212
3 years 9 months ago

Wild card here we come!! Sure hope this isn’t our everyday 2b for 2012! Cleveland gives someone away for cash….he can’t be too good?

Lunchbox45
3 years 9 months ago

Meh, resign Kelly Johnson already.

3 years 9 months ago

If they can get him for 2 years, then I would be happy. I don’t really care too much what the yearly amount would be. If I were AA, I would probably be willing to give more money to not tack on that 3rd year.

Lunchbox45
3 years 9 months ago

i feel the exact same way. 

NicholasDerosa
3 years 9 months ago

johnson would be okay, but not at the cost that will come.  Johnson will probably cost 2 years, at least, maybe 3, plus the picks that we don’t get for signing him.

If he signs elsewhere, we get 2 picks.  He’ll probably get 13 mil for 2 years (hill got 11 for 2 i think) That’s just too much for a guy like him.  Maybe if he was still hitting like a couple years ago.  the risk-vs-reward just isnt there.  No need to overpay for johnson, even if he does bounce back which isn’t a guarantee

FrankTheFunkasaurusRex
3 years 9 months ago

“Maybe if he was still hitting like a couple years ago.”

You mean last year?

Edit: FWIW, Johnson with the Jays: .270/.364/.417

RationalSportsFan
3 years 9 months ago

I would hesitate to read too much into a 33 game sample size.

That being said, Kelly is better than he showed in Arizona this year. A .750+ OPS next year seems like a reasonable expectation.

RationalSportsFan
3 years 9 months ago

I would hesitate to read too much into a 33 game sample size.

That being said, Kelly is better than he showed in Arizona this year. A .750+ OPS next year seems like a reasonable expectation.

Pete
3 years 9 months ago

Quick question for Jays fans: why don’t you make Lawrie your 2B and sign Aramis Ramirez? Seems like a good way to add another 30+ HR masher to the lineup who plays a better 3B than the out of position Lawrie.

sports33
3 years 9 months ago

Because Lawrie can’t play 2B?

bluejayspwn
3 years 9 months ago

they tried lawrie at 2b and it didn’t work out and they don’t want to keep changing his position plus ramirez’s defense isn’t that great anyway

slider32
3 years 9 months ago

Let’s face it Lawrie is a sub par fielder who can rake!

Lunchbox45
3 years 9 months ago

how much can one person be so wrong ?

Howard
3 years 9 months ago

I’d rather have Snider-Rasmus-Thames in the outfield and Bautista at 3rd than Aramis Ramirez… nobody wants to be associated with a brother of Manny steroids Ramirez lol and on top of it, Lawrie blows at 2nd and is better fit at the hot corner! 

triple_play_baseball
3 years 9 months ago

“nobody wants to be associated with a brother of Manny steroids Ramirez lol”

I’m sorry, is my sarcasm indicator not up to date or are you being serious?

Howard
3 years 9 months ago

 Facts don’t lie, Manny would of been a bad signing, too.

triple_play_baseball
3 years 9 months ago

Manny’s not his brother!

grownice
3 years 9 months ago

 Out of position lawrie? Have you seen him play 3rd? I bet he would surprise you.

3 years 9 months ago

Once a player is graded by Fangraphs / UZR being negative, the stigma will follow him forever.. Defensive metrics are at best a marginal interpretation of a players ability to play a defensive position..at worst.. they’re voodooo…
I’ve seen Lawrie play, accuracy with his throwing (his arm is much more than strong enough) by having better footwork will eliminate most of his egregious errors. His “range” for a 3B is more than adequate.. His reaction off a batted ball will take some time and experience to develop. Having a GG SS standing to his left, doesn’t hurt…

3 years 9 months ago

Or sign A-Ram and package Lawrie for pitching?

3 years 9 months ago

Not likley.  Lawrie NOT going anywhere!

johnsmith4
3 years 9 months ago

Nope…we will let Rays sign A-Ram and package Longoria for pitching

iains
3 years 9 months ago

How is Lawrie out of position?  He had two years in the minors playing second.  Prior to that he was a catcher.  The Jays moved him to third because they had a need and he wasn’t really suited for second.

3 years 9 months ago

and the move to 3rd worked out great. all scouts said he couldn’t hack it at 2nd base, in 1 year at 3rd he’s looking like a very credible defender.  Also, hecheveria is only 1 or 2yrs away, and escobar will move to 2nd, so they aren’t in a rush to screw around with lawrie & make him switch back to a position that wasn’t working for him.

also, from lawrie himself, he wanted to play 3rd & the brewers would never allow him, this is probably the position he prefers playing

tdot32
3 years 9 months ago

im pretty sure hecheveria would play 2nd if we still have escobar when he’s playing full time.

3 years 9 months ago

That’s probably wrong for two reasons. 1) Hech probably doesn’t have the bat to make it at 2B; and 2) Most scouts project him to be a better defensive SS than Escobar. 

The only reason Escobar would not get moved is because they don’t want to mess with his head, or for some reason he shows a real reluctance to the idea and it would cause a controversy.  

tdot32
3 years 9 months ago

escobar is solid at SS, so why would you put a worse bat at a position where you already get solid offense and defense? plus it would be easier to move hecheveria to 2B because he’s younger and fits the criteria in terms of size. since i’m assuming hercheveria’s assets are his speed and his glove, then i’d rather have him play second rather than screw with escobar. im not saying that’s what should happen, but that’s what i would prefer if they both played full time on the jays.

3 years 9 months ago

Speed and glove play better at short than they do at 2B.

tdot32
3 years 9 months ago

if both guys are good at the position, it doesn’t matter where they play. if you move escobar to another position because he’s struggling at the position he’s currently at, that’s one thing. but he is a really good fielder, and unless hechevaria is the next omar vizquel, then it really doesn’t make that much of a difference if he’s projected to be a better fielder. i’d rather not screw around with escobar because he’s one of the better shortstops in the league and he’s not the type who would take the move to second base particularily well imo.

Suh Girls One Cup
3 years 9 months ago

Yunel a potential locker room liability? Noooooo.

tdot32
3 years 9 months ago

im pretty sure hecheveria would play 2nd if we still have escobar when he’s playing full time.

slider32
3 years 9 months ago

Think about it, you were a catcher and they make you an infielder. OK Joe Torre!

suhiscrazierthanyou
3 years 9 months ago

ramirez is on the decline. more like an orioles move. lawrie is good at 3B now and going forward

suhiscrazierthanyou
3 years 9 months ago

ramirez is on the decline. more like an orioles move. lawrie is good at 3B now and going forward

atomicme123
3 years 9 months ago

I wont read too much into this, TOR needs 2B depth option as the system does not have that much middle infield depth. Afterall the guy has been DFAed, he will be called up to play 2B should any injury occurs.

Basically, it confirms what every Jays fan know: KJ is not coming back and AA will pocket the 2 picks.

3 years 9 months ago

why is everyone saying re-sign kelly johnson.  Fact is that is not going to happen, why sign a 30+ year old for 11+ million when he can net you 2 draft picks & you have a prospect (hecheveria) who is only 1 year or less away from coming up to the majors & taking that spot.

good pickup by the jays on this guy, I’m sure they’ll be working the phones to find a better starter at 2nd base, but at least they already have a backup plan in place with this deal

Lunchbox45
3 years 9 months ago

your counter to signing kelly johnson is…. wait for hechavarria??

You know his ceiling is a #9 hitter.  Throwing in the towel in 2012 and wasting another year of bautista’s absurdness would be foolish.

Not to mention that with the new draft restrictions, it will really prevent the jays from targeting the players they have in the past. AA has already made the farm team top 3, its time to put the talent on the field. . If a team with a protected ends up signing him, is it really worth letting him go for a 40th and 65th pick?

3 years 9 months ago

our time isn’t now anyways! regardless if jose is in his prime, this team isn’t ready to be a top contender for another year or 2, what is blowing 22 million on kelly johnson going to do for us? nothing. getting 2 draft picks helps that future. I’m not saying we don’t need a 2nd baseman & that hech is going to be something great, but we should value getting these draft picks & it looks like we do; so we need to find other options at 2nd base, this is hopefully a plan B & hopefully they are still working on a plan A, but at least it looks like we have a good plan B in place already

Lunchbox45
3 years 9 months ago

22 million on KJ, what world do you live in?

3 years 9 months ago

what world do you live in that KJ isn’t going to want at least a 2 year contract worth 11m or more each…. being the only good free agent 2b available, think about it

3 years 9 months ago

I think he mistook you, thinking that you meant 22 per year.

Lunchbox45
3 years 9 months ago

no i understood him fine.. but KJ doesn’t get anywhere close to 10 million

7.5 max which makes it a 15 for 2 years

Howard
3 years 9 months ago

 He’ll only get 18m for 2 years, I bet any money on that. He’s a 50/50 chance to keep and resign, if he does want more money though I would let him go.

Lunchbox45
3 years 9 months ago

how many teams need a 2B??

how many teams that spend money need a 2B?

there is literally no market and especially no big market teams fighting for him.

Howard
3 years 9 months ago

 Maybe not but I mean there is more than the Jays who want him. There’s nobody but KJ on the 2nd base market right now, but you are right not a lot of teams need to fill that 2nd base hole. Esp. since Hill resigned in arizona and mark ellis signed elsewhere too.

crashcameron
3 years 9 months ago

now we know what Jim Hendry changed his name to

atomicme123
3 years 9 months ago

2012 is the last yr that GM like AA can gain the draft pick compensation system. The draft has always been a crapshoot, only increasing the no of picks can increase the chance that TO can get an impact player from the draft.

I say AA will pocket the 2 picks just simply because KJ is not that good, way too inconsistent, well that is after 2 yrs of shitshow that screams Aaron Hill

LA
3 years 9 months ago

The two draft picks are more valuable than Kelly Johnson right now and the future. You never know those two players could be trade bait in the future. An example is Boston’s trade with Padres for A.Gonz.

djfanon
3 years 9 months ago

Your two draft picks would be very lucky to net even one player of KJ’s caliber, as such a small % of prospects actually make the mlb. If the money is not a concern (which given the jays paltry payroll, it should not be) then then KJ is way more valuable then draft pick compensation.

If AA has plans of getting another quality 2B then I might be able to understand passing on KJ. That type of player is valuable though, and the jay’s certainly don’t have anyone else in the system right now who would project to provide near KJ’s production.

LA
3 years 9 months ago

Yup, your right that it is a small % of prospects  make the MLB. But, I would put my money on AA and his staff that they’ll find a guy in the first and sandwich rounds to be able to make it worthwhile. 

Lunchbox45
3 years 9 months ago

you have a 50% chance that its a 1st rounder

add to the fact that teams like the sox, yanks, texas, phillies, rays etc have no need for him, the chance that its a 1st rounder is closer to about 30%

Bluejaysnation
3 years 9 months ago

Aren’t there only 10 protected picks next year? Or does that start in 2013?