Angels Notes: Madson, Pujols, Morales, Trumbo

Going forward, Angels owner Arte Moreno has made it clear that he wants to leave baseball decisions up to the baseball department as opposed to manager Mike Scioscia.  Here's a look at what the Halos might do next..

  • The Angels are considering free agent closer Ryan Madson, tweets Jon Heyman of  However, in order to stay under the cap, the club would likely have to backload his contract.  Madson's market has thinned out somewhat and nearly 32% of MLBTR readers polled believe that the right-hander will sign with the Angels.
  • Speaking of backloaded deals, Heyman has more details on Albert Pujols' ten-year contract.  Yesterday we learned that Pujols will earn $12MM in 2012 and $16MM in 2013.  Heyman adds that the slugger will make $23MM, $24MM, $25MM, $26MM, $27MM, $28MM, $29MM and $30MM in the following years, according to sources.
  • Every indication from the Halos suggests that they're willing to hold on to Mark Trumbo and Kendry Morales right now, but eventually they will have to move somebody, writes's Alden Gonzalez.  If Trumbo can play third base, Alberto Callaspo or Maicer Izturis could be expendable.

113 Responses to Angels Notes: Madson, Pujols, Morales, Trumbo Leave a Reply

  1. redsx968 4 years ago

    Haha! that contract is absurd…

    • John McFadin 4 years ago

      That’s the price teams have to pay to have a player of Pujols’ caliber on their team.  I’m not going to argue whether it should be like that or not, but whichever team signed him had no choice.

      • redsx968 4 years ago

        I agree. He’s one of the best to ever play the game. It just sort of struck me to actually see the contract laid out like that. I don’t think anyone is worth that price

        • Jon Melton 4 years ago

          If he was 28 then hes worth it at 32 and with 11 years of 650 pa a year he will have to break down.  Greatest hitter in the last decade but this is a bit much.

    • StarzRocks 4 years ago

      I agree!!!

    • Becky Lee 4 years ago

      agreed, its actually pretty comical if the Angels believe Albert will still be hitting the way he used to in years 7-10 they are crazy, St Louis got Pujols at a very discounted price for his best years, cards are the real winners in this case

      • rpoabr 4 years ago

        They don’t think he will be hitting like that in the latter part of the contract. This is as much about marketing as it is about baseball. Their new TV contract easily pays for this contact and then some, they needed a Hispanic star to market with it.

        This is also hitting the Dodgers when they are already down. It won’t turn the long time Dodger fans but for the young ones it’s huge for the future of the Angels fan base. Now you can see why the name change a few years ago was done (as silly as it is…).

        If Pujols brings a championship of two in the next couple of years it is well worth it. If he happens to hit fairly well in those later years, its gravy.

        Moreno is a marketing guy, he gets it.

        • I was thinking about the name change last week, do you think the Anaheim Angels could have signed Pujols?  Could Anaheim get a $3bil(whatever it actually is) TV deal?

          • John McFadin 4 years ago

            Never thought from this perspective.  Signing Pujols, I don’t know, but the TV deal would be about the same.  They are priced based on the market the team is in, and changing the name didn’t change the market they were in.

          • That was the whole excuse for changing the name…  I hated it at the time but Arte knows what he is doing.

          • halored101 4 years ago

            actually it did, it appeals to more advertisement.

          • OCAngels 4 years ago

            trust LAA of Anaheim had something to do with it.

          • johnsilver 4 years ago

            “do you think the Anaheim Angels could have signed Pujols”

            Cripes.. They have already changed the name 3 times at least that i can remember.. California, LA, Anaheim.. What’s going to be next when they want something?

          • they were originally the Los Angeles Angels when thye were an expansion team way back in 1967

          • leachim2 4 years ago

            The Universal angels of Earth

          • OCAngels 4 years ago

            If you knew the history it makes a lot of sense… First was LA Angels(this is easy, they played in LA),  then CA Angels(Autry wanted to disassociate the team from the Brooklyn dodgers in LA and try and get fans from all of SoCal) then Disney bought the team and Anaheim Angels(Disney wanted to make the city a tourist resort-2 amusement parks,2 sports teams, and many hotels. Then came the genius businessman Arte… LAA of Anaheim(..of Anaheim is only there cuz the city sued).  IT’S ALL BUSINESS… IF IT WASN’T FOR ARTE,  WE WOULDN’T BE RIGHT AROUND THE SALARY CAP!

          • johnsilver 4 years ago

            Oh it wasn’t an intentional dice on the Angels and remembered when Autrey owned them, but had forgotten about Disney.. thx for bringing that up.

            History of the game is one of the things enjoy the most and 60-70’s is my favorite period, since was when began watching BB.

      • I agree. For smaller revenue teams like the Jays, your best hope is to develop your young stars, then extend them until say years 30-31.

        Let the big boys pay for past performance. Lifetime players are a thing of the past, unfortunately.

      • bjsguess 4 years ago

        What’s comical is that you believe that the Angels believe that Albert will put up his typical numbers in 7-10 years. Trust me, nobody in the Angels front office is thinking that. If they did he would have been worth far more than $250m.

        However, at his rate he needs to average 4.5 WAR a season – 45 WAR for the duration of the contract to break even in terms of value (assuming a slight appreciation for the value of a win). Is that possible? The guy put up 79 WAR in his previous 10 years. It’s very possible and indeed quite likely.

        For what it’s worth here are some other sluggers that profile with Pujols. This is their age 32 to 41 seasons (or less if they didn’t play until 41):

        Mays: averaged 290/381/529 … hit 286 HRs over that span … 10 All-Star appearances … 1 MVP … 4 MVP top 5 finishes … approx 70 WAR

        F Robinson: averaged 274/383/487 … hit 183 HRs … 4 All-Star appearances … 2 top 5 MVP finishes

        H Aaron: averaged 285/371/538 … hit 357 HRs … 10 All-Star appearances … 8 MVP top 20 finishes

        Those aren’t random names – they are Pujols’ top comparables according to Baseball Reference (through his age 31 season). I don’t think there is much question about whether Pujols can deliver 45 WAR over 10 years … so long as he stays reasonably healthy. That’s a huge IF and it could bite the Angels. However, Pujols has been healthy for his entire career. He has the benefit of moving into the DH role if necessary. And remember, the Angels are really only counting on peak production for maybe another 3 years. He would most likely start a significant decline phase over the next 5 years. The final two years … who knows? He probably won’t be contributing that much. Even under that scenario Pujols is a net win in terms of value. If he helps bring in more fans or flags that’s just gravy.

        • IndianaBob 4 years ago

          I don’t think Pujols will age as well as Mays/Aaron/Robinson.  His elbow problems are well documented as he has had two surgeries (2008 and 2009).  He has also had Plantar Fasciitis.  I think that tends to re-occur.  His wOBA has went from .458/.449/.420/.385 the last 4 seasons.  That is not a good trend.

    • legaryd 4 years ago

      While I am a little scared about his performance last year, I can’t help but remember that Pujols regularly put up 8 to 10 WAR seasons for a decade.

      While I doubt that he’ll put those up consistently with the Halos.  Each 8 to 10 WAR season is worth $40 to $50 million plus!  If he puts up 24 to 30 WAR in the first 3 seasons of his contract, he’ll be surely worth his contract.

      REMEMBER he only needs to put up 50.8 WAR at current prices ($5MM/WAR) to make the contract “fair” given the market.  That isn’t accounting for inflation.  He’s being paid like a 5 WAR player, but he can certainly exceed 50.8W WAR by a HUGE margin over 10 years.

      • Ferrariman 4 years ago

        that whole 5mm/war stuff is lunacy.  Your worth what the market dictates your worth.  BTW, its closer to 4mil/war not 5.

    • Ralph Carlson 4 years ago

      you should see the Mets Bobby Bonilla contract :)

  2. InLeylandWeTrust 4 years ago

    Callaspo or Izturis to the Tigers

  3. If Trumbo can play third base, Alberto Callaspo or Maicer Izturis could be expendable. This is a very interesting statement and here’s why.
    I was watching MLB Hot Stove last night and Billy Ripken and Larry Bowa were talking about Hanley Ramirez’s possible move to third base and how difficult it is.
    I say Bologna, but then again what do I know. The rationale was laughable, it’s as laughable as the Orioles current starting rotation, that’s laughable it was. It was about the player’s vision from short stop as opposed to third base was the basic premise.

    Anyway, if someone of the caliber of Hanley Ramirez can’t switch to third base, hey Ripken and Bowa say so! So what makes the Angels powers that be think that Trumbo can move to third? Besides, I thought Trumbo was known for his power, not his glove?

    PS Madson should go to the Orioles! I am all for it! Then we can send Kevin Gregg to the Angels! He has a contract that would fit in perfectly with the Angel budget. All I would ask for is Dan Haren in return. I will even throw in Guthrie for free to make it even more enticing!

    • letsgogiants 4 years ago

      That last part is a joke, right?

    • Bschube34 4 years ago

      trumbo is at least being a team player and trying it out as opposed to a nonmotivated hanley

      • Shu13 4 years ago

        Trumbo is also trying to keep a job in the majors…Hanley knows he can get a SS position w/ another team if he wants….

    • CaseyBlakeDeWitt 4 years ago

      Speaking from personal experience it’s actually not that easy to transition from a middle infield position to a corner. I’m in high school (I know, not even close to the same thing, but still) and I played second base most of my life until my sophomore year when I moved to third. It’s a much different angle that the ball comes at you. It’s much more difficult to read the ball off the bat playing third base than it is up the middle. That being said, I don’t know how hard it would be to move from third to first base in Trumbo’s case.

      • Shu13 4 years ago

        Myself having played all 4 inf positions….it’s not as hard to move from 1st to 3rd or 3rd to 1st in regards to perspective of field/batter as is is to move from middle inf to corner…..he has experience w/ facing LHB while at 1st so that is the same as facing RHB while at 3B(basically) w/ the exception of more RHB…playing the bunt will be the biggest issue he’ll have IMO due to his size….he’ll play bunts different then when at 1st

    • Shu13 4 years ago

      BUT when playing 1B the perspective of the batter and the rest of the field is the mirror image at 3B…..that was the point they were making….a SS sees more field were as a 3B sees less….moving from 1st to 3rd wouldn’t change the amount of the field you see…just the angle you see it….

      a similar point is said that it’s harder for a SS to move to 2B then a 2B to move to SS b/c the SS has the play in front of him where as the 2B is used to having runners approaching the base from their back side…

      My concern about Trumbo playing 3B is his quickness to play the bunt….he’s a big guy and if he plays too deep even his strong arm won’t get the runner out and if he plays too shallow he won’t be able to reach to the hit….other then that I don’t see much of a problem w/ him making the move to 3B….

      Yes Glaus and A-Rod are both big guys at 3B but Trumbo isn’t the fielder they are to start w/….

    • ea19 4 years ago

      It took A-rod a few years to adjust to playing third….and he was a gold glove shortstop, so I would believe that it is a tough transition

    • thebigbangdito 4 years ago

      I guess no one realiWa that trump has played 3b before(not for angel MLB team tho) But he just wasn’t that good… Just something that patience and practice can fix if it means a MLB job with the angels

    • bjsguess 4 years ago

      It all comes down to how much tolerance the Angels have for poor defense at 3rd. 

      Trumbo CAN play 3rd. Can he play it well? Probably not. Is it passable? Who knows. That’s why they need to experiment and see what they have.

      Also, remember that Trumbo could be used selectively at 3rd depending on who is on the mound. Fly ball rates by starting pitcher.

      Weaver = 48%
      Haren = 38%
      Wilson = 33%
      Santana = 42%

      With Weaver and Santana you could have virtually anyone play 3rd base. The probability of them needing to play outstanding defense is minimal. Haren is a pretty typical pitcher when it comes to distribution. CJ is really the only one that is considered a ground ball pitcher.

      What all this means … you could easily start Trumbo at 3rd base and expect minimal defensive impact with Weaver, Santana, and probably Haren on the mound. On days that CJ pitches you move Trumbo to DH or give him the day off. 

      Again, this assumes that he can play passable defense. We’ll have to see.

  4. StarzRocks 4 years ago

    I’m a Cardinal fan, and I’m just glad that money isn’t being spent by the Cards. I wanted Pujols to stay, but that kind of money can severely cripple a team. I thanked the Cardinals for sticking to what they thought was the amount they could spend, and I think that kind of money is ridiculous. But, then I screamed when they were signing Ozzie to 5 – 6 million a year, way back when!! Not so much a game anymore as it is a business (Big Business).

    • bjsguess 4 years ago

      The difference was really one year? Wasn’t the best offer 9/$210 vs 10/$250. The Cards AAV would have been only a few million less. If the Cards had stepped up to match the Angels offer you would have felt the impact of that in 2021. Basically the rest of the offer was extremely similar.

      I normally avoid the mantra of signing big name players to big time contracts but Pujols is awfully special.

      • StarzRocks 4 years ago

        It doesn’t make a difference….it’s still too much money!!!!

  5. BeansNRice 4 years ago

    It is only absurd if they can’t pay it. The angels can pay it.

    • redsx968 4 years ago

      We’ll see what that team looks like when Pujols is making $30 million in his 40’s and tell me they can afford it. I know they physically have the cash for him, but it’s pretty obviously going to kill the team. Better win soon I guess…

      • “…but it’s pretty obviously going to kill the team.” –a RED SOX fan

        • redsx968 4 years ago

          Not really sure where me being a Sox fan comes into play here… I made an objective comment. Most would agree that the last 3-4 years of Pujols’ contract have a decent chance of wrecking the Angels.

          • sallen22 4 years ago

            Being a Red Sox fan simply indicates your level of intelligence.  Saying idiotic things like “It will kill the team” only confirms the unfortunately accurate stereotype. 

          • redsx968 4 years ago

            For the moment I’ll ignore the fact that you’re an Angels fan, and like Angels fan should be, are apprehensive about the deal. (Just as I am about the ends of the Gonzalez and Crawford deals). Maybe I was wrong to say it will kill the team, but aside from putting butts in seats, the last 3 years of Pujols’ contract will likely be massive overpays. Will Crawford be worth 21 million in 2017? Probably not. Will that factor into some of the Sox personnel decisions? I think so. Pujols is great, but you CANT actually think he’s gonna be a 30 million player as a 42-year-old. 

            TL;DR: Maybe I shouldn’t have said it will KILL the team. But it will definitely play a significant role in their financial and personnel decisions in 8-10 years. 

          • While I agree it will be a major overpay at the end, I don’t necessarily agree that it will cripple the team.  I can’t see the Pujols’ contract, even at the end, being any worse for the Angels than the Vernon Wells’ contract currently is.  Even with that albatross of the Wells’ contract, they were still able to go out and sign the top position player and one of the top 2 SP and appear to be in on one of the top RP.  That TV contract can really cover up a lot of warts on the payroll. 

          • bjsguess 4 years ago

            By using that logic then you must also admit that the Angels scored a BARGAIN in the first 5 years of the contract. A guy that produces 7-10 WAR is worth $35 – $50m a season.

            You have to look at the entire deal. He needs to produce about 45 WAR to be a good value. Like almost every FA contract, the Angels will get a relative bargain in the first portion of the contract and take a big hit in the back of the contract. That’s the nature of big time FA deals.

          • johnsilver 4 years ago

            Wrecking the Angels might have been a stretch, but paying someone 25m+ for multiple seasons past the age of 40 would not be considered wise in many circles.

  6.  Pujols’ contract is pure lunacy.

  7. Jon Melton 4 years ago

    In my opinion the best hitter for last 11 years overall,  but for next 10,  they will get 3-5 years of good production next 5 could hurt.

    • The next 3 of Vernon is going to hurt, but that didn’t stop the Halos from getting Albert. If/when Albert starts to decline, who knows what the options will be on the FA market/from the farm system/from trades? 

      The thing that opposing fans are concerned about is that yet another team is entering the category of “lots-of-money-and-willing-to-spend”, so they comment about contract length and make asinine predictions about Albert’s production over the next decade. 

      • Jon Melton 4 years ago

        Nothing asinine about thinking a 38-42 year old will decline in production.  I dont care who signed him this is a bad contract that will hurt the team.

        • redsx968 4 years ago

          EXACTLY. It is in no way asinine to say that Pujols won’t hit .320-35-120 and be worth $30 million as a 42-year-old. I understand that I exaggerated early and thus was ripped on for being an idiot Sox fan (I am a Sox fan, and am often an idiot). But these are not “asinine” predictions. 

          Also, frankly, I’m glad that other teams are entering the “lots-of-money-and-willing-to-spend” category. I’ll be the first to admit that it sucks in baseball having the Sox and Yanks pay for whoever they want. It’s not right. That’s why I get excited to here Jays rumors about Darvish/Wilson/Pujols, and Nationals rumors about Fielder and Wilson. You act like I put myself on some pedestal and want the rest of baseball to stay below the Sox in spending power. Maybe if you weren’t so assuming you wouldn’t say that clearly objective baseball fans are making “asinine predictions”

      • For once I’d like to see a team try a FRONT ended loaded contract, to coincide with prospective performance, and to ensure flexibility down the road.

        Of course, that would likely be of benefit to the NEXT GM, so the current GMs avoid it like the plague.

        • melonis_rex 4 years ago

          That’s actually not why front-loaded contracts are avoided. 

          They’re avoided because of inflation. A dollar is worth less as time goes on. So, the owners are paying the players less in terms of real value. 

          Of course, inflation savings are heavily overstated by some backloaded contracts. While it doesn’t make much economic sense to frontload a contract, it makes the most sense for contracts to be of near-even value. 

  8. formerdraftpick 4 years ago

    Trumbo at 3b?  Trumbo never even played 3rd at the minor league level.  At least Kendrys has a few innings at 3B in A ball.    Pujols has even played the hot corner in the majors.  

    • If Trumbo builds offensively on his Freshman year then you can sacrifice a little defense at 3rd- having the Gold on Aybar’s hand next to him may also soften the blow.

      • you have a great pitching rotation and they deserve a great defense behind them. Trumbo to 3rd is a stupid move

        • Trading a rookie that lead your team in HR and RBI that is under your control for the next 5 years is stupid.  Giving him a shot at 3rd is the only move they have if Morales is healthy.  Im not saying that Trumbo is a GREAT player yet, but adding Pujols and subtracting Trumbo is not nearly as productive as adding Pujols and subtracting Callaspo.  If Trumbo can play at 3rd without killing himself I think they will give him a shot.

          • formerdraftpick 4 years ago

            Who said anything about trading him under this post?

        • Shu13 4 years ago

          They aren’t looking at him to be teh full time or even 1/2 time 3B…..just to have some games 30-40 based on who is on the mound….for example when the GB pitching LH Wilson is pitching you’ll be damn sure Callaspo or Izzy will be at 3B and NOT Trumbo…

          • assuming he can’t make the transition

          • Shu13 4 years ago

            I think this season even if he does well he won’t play more then 40g…..

          • Agree to disagree but if he does well as you say then 3b is his..  I know what Scioscia said but he has to say that because Callaspo is still on our team and we don’t know if Morales will be healthy enough to play

          • samuel motonaga 4 years ago

            After al u guys are saying, it would be kinda funny if Trumbo becomes a gold glover.

      • formerdraftpick 4 years ago

        I tried my best to crap on the keyboard and make it type in order to give a logical response.  It’s just not working.  Just because Trumbo stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night means he can play third.  At least the other guys on the same team have had some experience playing third.

    • Shu13 4 years ago

      For this season and maybe next season….IF Trumbo proves he can’t play 3B…they can still put Albert there a few times a season to get all 3 of teh big bats in the line up at once….the options they have are wide open and that is what the Angels like…options to shuffle and rest players

  9. To those saying that this contract is going to hamstring the Angels 7-10 years from now you really don’t know that.  The Angels payroll 10 years ago was around $26mil, last year it was $117mil- do I think this trend is going to continue to a $400mil+ payroll in 2021?  No, but the fact is Pujols will not be the only player making between $26-$30mil 7 years from now.  Payrolls go up, players get paid more money, luxury taxes can be absorbed…  Someone earlier mentioned that this is only a bad contract if the Angels can’t pay it, well guess what- they can.  

    The Angels also have several young players under control for many years to help counter the heavy contracts…  Trumbo, Bourjos, Trout, Walden<-  There's a third of our lineup that will be making way less than comparable players will be making on other teams.  Not too shabby

    • Ferrariman 4 years ago

      5-6 years from now, Trumbo, trout, Bourjos, and Walden will be some of the highest paid players on the team. They don’t stay cheap forever. I’m pretty sure thats what were referring to here because its a backloaded contract.

      • 5-6 years from now they will either just be hitting free agency or have just signed their first free agent deals, my point of the post is that we will have them on the relative cheap up until then, maybe Dipoto takes a queue from Tampa and locks them up early.  _ See “The Time Value of Money”

      • bjsguess 4 years ago

        And you’ll have guys coming up through the system to take their place if necessary. 5 years ago players like Trumbo, Bourjos, Trout and Aybar weren’t on anyone’s radar. Imagine the comments you would have gotten 5 years ago if you suggested that Albert would be an Angel – via FA. 

        You can’t predict what things will be like 5 years now from now at an individual player level. Heck, 5 years ago we were dreaming of the best offensive infield ever with Dallas McPhereson, Brandon Wood, and Howie Kendrick. 

        • sonofsnake 4 years ago

          What you are proposing is exactly what Angels fans should be afraid of.  If Pujol’s contract makes is so the Angels can’t afford to pay the talent moving through their organization then his contract is hampering the team.  In that scenario the Angels are forced to use cheap young players to replace their talented major leauge core while paying Albert crazy money for debatable production, while they could be trading prospects from depth in order to fill holes at the major league level.

  10. aricollins 4 years ago

    Someone should tell Heyman that backloading a deal doesn’t affect the cap at all. It’s based on average annual value.

  11. hopefully pujols is being paid in gold bars near the end of his contract…if not…go angels for a good deal

  12. Oh yeah and his name is Kendrys Morales, the guy tried escaping Cuba 13 times to get to the big leagues so maybe he’s earned the right to have his name spelled correctly : )

  13. samuel motonaga 4 years ago

    I really think Madson is going to the Angels. He will probably take a discount too just like CJ Wilson. I think he will go to Anaheim because of three reasons. One, they are now a serious playoff team. Two, the aquisition of star powered players always attract players to that team. Three ( the most important one ), he is from Orange County. He would love to win a World Series title for his hometown. 

  14. abbearden 4 years ago

    Making the move to 3B for Trumbo would be an interesting experiment. Not only is it important to have a good glove at that position but the question is can he play there effectively enough to turn double plays correctly and understand where he needs to be on cutoffs and relay plays. I know these guys are talented athletes but if they don’t have any experience at a position it could end up hurting the team more in my opinion.

    • samuel motonaga 4 years ago

      It’s not really a huge move to me only because he played 3B in the past.

      • He really hasn’t played 3b in the past, he is a converted pitcher…

        • abbearden 4 years ago

          If the last time he pitched was in HS where it looks like he went 10-2 with a 2.20 ERA in his senior year then most of the time talented players who have strong arms pitch and also play the field quite a bit. When he was drafted in 2004 he was being clocked at around 94 mph and according to Baseball America scouts basically said if he couldn’t cut it as a hitter then they would focus on his pitching. 

          Of course with all that being said it just means this guy has been talent on the field since playing pro ball in 2005 and since the Angels have a good young player under team control they might as well see what he can do at 3B and if it doesn’t work then I’m sure they can score a pretty decent trade with him.

          • This whole argument hinges on a twice repaired ankle that has yet to be proven healthy…  I hope we have this problem come opening day…

      • abbearden 4 years ago

        It looks like he has played there before but that was back in 2004 for Villa Park High School. Since he was drafted he has played 624 games at 1B, 32 games at RF, and 1 game in LF for his time in the minors. Then last year for the Angels he played 149 games at 1B, 10 games at RF, and 1 game at LF. 

        If he played most of his development years from ages 13-18 then the fundamentals of playing that position should still be there I suppose. You made me do some research on the guy to dig up the last time he played at 3B.

      • formerdraftpick 4 years ago

        Where has he played 3rd? Grammar school?

  15. samuel motonaga 4 years ago

    You never know what is going to happen. Remeber at the begining of the offseason? The Angels said they only had very little money, btu look at what happened now.

  16. Sooooooooooooo Albert’s feelings were hurt when the Cardinals wouldn’t pay him more than Ryan Howard and the next two years he isn’t going to be in the top 5 highest paid players ON HIS OWN TEAM…

    The BS keeps stacking up Al.  He knows Deidree can’t survive on just 12 million next year, what in the world was he thinking???

    • stl_cards16 4 years ago

      I don’t mind that he left, that’s his(or her) choice. What I could not believe is when his wife went on the radio and blamed God. You have to think quite highly of yourself to think God did you wrong when you are getting offered $100MM+ to stay where you love and that’s not good enough. Poor lady.

  17. sallen22 4 years ago

    The Angels were only able to sign Pujols to his ridiculously lucrative contract because their minor league system is stacked with talent that should be replacing expensive players relatively soon.

    – Hunter’s contract (18mil) comes off the book next year.
    – Mike Trout’s the best prospect in baseball.
    – Bobby Abreu’s contract (9mil) is up after next year. 
    – Luis Jimenez has the look of a potential everyday 3B. Crushed AA pitching in pitcher friendly league.
    – Jean Segura is a Top 50 prospect, should replace either Kendrick or Aybar at 2B/SS. 
    – Garrett Richards is a B+ prospect according to John Sickels. 4 “plus” pitches.
    – C.J. Cron is a middle of the order bat that should only need 2 years tops to break into MLB. 

    Mike Trout, Luis Jimenez, Jean Segura and C.J. Cron is an awful lot of offense that will be arriving in next 2 years.  The Angels will be fine.  In the end, it all comes down to whther or not they win a World Series, and they certainly look primed to make a run.

    • stl_cards16 4 years ago

      Outside of Trout, you find those guys in pretty much every system. Not saying they’re not going to be good, but it’s nothing spectacular.

      • He missed Trumbo, Bourjos, and Walden who are proven players and under team control for a long while..  

      • rpoabr 4 years ago

        Exactly. How quickly we forget Brandon Wood. If Trout and even one or two of those guys become at least serviceable major league players we’d be stoked.

        If all of them did we’d be dominating for a few years but every team can say that.

  18. Madman2TX 4 years ago

    Hilarious that when the Angels want to unload Pujols in 6 years when he is batting .240…nobody will want that bloated contract.

    • Hey somebody was stupid enough to pick up Vernon Wells’ contract.. wait.. haha

    • Shu13 4 years ago

      He has a NTC and an agreement for marketing/consulting for another 10yrs beyond his player contract so I dont’ see him being moved at all…well unless he plays after this contract is up….

    • Xiseestarsxx 4 years ago

      The bad contract thing is so old and over played now…GET OVER IT. Many teams have bad contracts…giants with zito, red sox with lackey, cubs with soriano. Yankees with brunette ect….The angels have a ton of payroll comin off the books next year and if arte wants to spend 260 million on not only a once in a generation player, but a person that helps out his community tremendously so be it.

    • bjsguess 4 years ago

      Hilarious that when the Rangers wanted to unload the A-Rod deal after 3 years they found the Yankees willing to take on the contract and send over top flight prospects.

      Also, the Angels aren’t planning on moving him in 6 years. They are in a win now situation and just landed the best overall hitter in baseball.

  19. cardsfan1988 4 years ago

    By my calculations, the contract that Heyman is putting up there only equals 240 million…so he seems to be missing 14 million dollars somewhere…so does that mean that the final seven years are actually 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, instead of 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30? 

    • brstreet9 4 years ago

      I was starting to wonder if anyone else noticed that…

  20. Trumbo moves pretty well for his size and he can judge the ball well off the bat. He was not bad at all at first. He has a cannon for an arm but his hands are not there yet. He needs to improve his foot work and how he squares up ground balls. Look at him to play 25-30 games at 1st, 60 at 3rd, 20-25 at DH and the rest in the outfield. Yes, he can play in LF or RF.

    • IndianaBob 4 years ago

      Trumbo had a +5 UZR 150 at 1B last year in a 1257.1 inning sample.  He had a -10.7 in OF, but the sample size was only 30 innings over 2 years.  I would try him at 3B, if I can’t get a decent trade.  Maybe Morales or Pujols get injured and he he is needed to cover for them.

  21. SoCalAngelsFan75 4 years ago

    Is April here yet? Like George Lopez said “I can’t wait!”

  22. People keep talking about the money like its a deal breaker. what they spend is just monopoly money to us. the quality of team is what matters. once Hunter and Wells contracts are up we’ll be right back at making decent offers to free agents. last i check the contract isnt out on the field playing.

  23. For a person his age i dont think so….

  24. Rick Springer 4 years ago

    Man, the Angels backloaded Pujols’ contract? That’s always a mistake. How many 41 year olds (maybe older if you believe the rumors of lacking a birth certificate) do you know that are worth 30 million a season? Even with that sissy AL DH.

  25. I use my Facebook to log in to comment, whatever pic I have as my FB pic is used.

  26. CaseyBlakeDeWitt 4 years ago

    If you’re using disqus. Go to your account on disqus, then click on your name in the upper right hand corner. From there a screen should pop down where you should see avatar. Click that and you can upload a picture there.

  27. redsx968 4 years ago

    I know you’re exaggerating, but in 10 years Crawford will be three years removed from the Sox payroll. Not saying its a good contract, but still. Also, the one benefit I see with the Pujols contract throughout the whole deal is it will put butts in seats. 

  28. Why would you expect him to be traded after those players are signed?  His value would be much lower- the teams that might need a 1b would be much better off trading for a cheap glove with extreme power than signing one of those players.  If he is traded it is after Morales is proven to be healthy…  If then

  29. SLUCARD 4 years ago

    Pujols will not hit 800 homers, and he will be a very overpaid 40 year old regardless of inflation.

  30. The_BiRDS 4 years ago

    Inflation doesnt increase that quickly.. “30 Million will look like 20 Million in 10 years”? Come on! The value of 1 million dollars drops by one third % over the course of a decade? haha NO.

  31. formerdraftpick 4 years ago


  32. bjsguess 4 years ago

    People just don’t get it.

    FA contracts are NEVER friendly at the end of the deal. Of course, he won’t be worth $30m at age 40. Just like he won’t be worth $25m next year. He will be a net positive asset for years to come, then he will reach a point where is value is in line with his contract, then he will be a net negative liability. 

    That’s just how it goes. It boggles the mind that people focus so much on the back of the contract while ignoring the bargain that he is on the front of the deal.

  33. redsx968 4 years ago

    whoops. misunderstood it. now I understand. I am an idiot

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