Cardinals Rumors: Beltran, Romero, Gonzalez, Punto

Derrick Goold and Tom Timmermann of the St. Louis Post-Dispatch have a round-up of what the Cardinals could be planning now that Albert Pujols has left town…

  • The Cardinals "have explored what the market is" for Carlos Beltran.  Beltran would see most of his playing time in center field, since Allen Craig is slated to be the everyday right fielder.
  • Jimmy Rollins' desire for a five-year contract will probably keep the Cards out of the bidding unless Rollins is willing to accept a shorter-term deal.  The team is still talking to Rafael Furcal and would like to bring back Nick Punto as a veteran backup, should the Cardinals decide to look within and give Tyler Greene a shot at the everyday shortstop job.
  • The team is looking for a left-handed reliever and have spoken to representatives for Mike Gonzalez and J.C. Romero
  • The planned $110MM payroll for 2012 won't be lowered because Pujols is gone, said GM John Mozeliak.
  • In regards to the Jake Westbrook/Kyle Lohse trade rumors, Mozeliak said no deals materialized and one of the starters would be dealt only if the Cards need to "reallocate" some money towards another move.


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71 Comments on "Cardinals Rumors: Beltran, Romero, Gonzalez, Punto"


rainyperez
3 years 8 months ago

I saw Beltran play in AT&T park. Putting him in CF is a pretty bad idea unless you want to see his knees explode.

3 years 8 months ago

He was more than serviceable in RF. He looked pretty good in the spacious RF of Citi Field for half the season. I still think he has a lot left to offer a team. Too bad the mets are broke and terrible because id love to have him back

notsureifsrs
3 years 8 months ago

my guess is he’s an average defender in right field at this point and probably a few runs below average in center. my concern would be less about defense in center but durability over a full season out there

with pujols gone, the cards could certainly use his bat. beltran actually hit as well as albert in 2011

3 years 8 months ago

22 homers to 37?

notsureifsrs
3 years 8 months ago

mark reynolds also hit 37 homers. did he hit as well as pujols? no, stop it

wOBA

beltran .389
pujols .385
reynolds .348

3 years 8 months ago

I’ll take Jon Jay all day over Beltran. We need to go after ss, bottom line.

The_BiRDS
3 years 8 months ago

I agree.. As crazy as the Marlins have been this offseason why cant the Cardinals offer a trade to send Gabby Sanchez and Hanley Ramirez over?

vtadave
3 years 8 months ago

They certainly could, but doesn’t that leave the Marlins with no corner infielders?  Maybe if they sign Prince Fielder I suppose…

The_BiRDS
3 years 8 months ago

3 way trade with the Angels/Cardinals/Marlins…Morales & cash to Marlins.. Sanchez and Ramirez to Cardinals… whoever & cash to Angels but no Miller

vtadave
3 years 8 months ago

Huh? Marlins give up Sanchez and Hanley and receive a huge question mark at 1B and cash, which they seem to have quite enough of?

The_BiRDS
3 years 8 months ago

Well Morales plays 1st(could also go with Trumbo) and maybe some prospects.. I dont know I was just using that as an example..

But the Marlins actually dont have the cash right now, they assume they will get that much with the new rev streams. So should be funny if fans dont turn up and they fall in a deeeeeeeeep hole

JohnOrpheus
3 years 8 months ago

I sure wouldn’t. But even if you would, Beltran is valuable as a Craig replacement until he comes back, and then you have a three man rotation between center and right field. Given lack of certainty surrounding Jay’s true ability and Craig’s ability and health, Beltran would be a terrific signing, and would likely provide a lot more value than any shortstop other than Rolens or Hanley Ramirez, both of whom are unlikely to be aquired.

Bottom line: you can’t just pencil Jay and Craig in for a certain level of health and performance. Depth is key.

The_BiRDS
3 years 8 months ago

Considering Rolen plays 3rd …not SS

Gabraham
3 years 8 months ago

I believe he was referring to “Rollins.”

JohnOrpheus
3 years 8 months ago

I sure wouldn’t. But even if you would, Beltran is valuable as a Craig replacement until he comes back, and then you have a three man rotation between center and right field. Given lack of certainty surrounding Jay’s true ability and Craig’s ability and health, Beltran would be a terrific signing, and would likely provide a lot more value than any shortstop other than Rolens or Hanley Ramirez, both of whom are unlikely to be aquired.

Bottom line: you can’t just pencil Jay and Craig in for a certain level of health and performance. Depth is key.

Andy_B
3 years 8 months ago

Jon Jay’s wOBA .333 Carlos Beltran wOBA .389, it’s not close.  Ideally you would have a three way platoon for center and right field with Jay and Beltran in center and craig and beltran in right.  

I think they could sign Furcal as well with Beltran, but there really isn’t a better option at shortstop.  Rollins just doesn’t do it for me.

Andy_B
3 years 8 months ago

Beltran to alternate between Center and Right makes a lot of sense at the right price.  Any idea what he’s looking for?

3 years 8 months ago

In July it looked like he was in line for a multi year deal. But with a limited market who knows if he will get any offers more than 1 year. If Berkman got a 1 year 10 MM (i think?) last year maybe that is his price range per year. I dont think he signs until later when desperate teams are looking for offense

James Grenard
3 years 8 months ago

I’d rather him play in RF til Craig is back and have Jay in CF. Holliday/Jay/Beltran

3 years 8 months ago

They should try to get Kendry Morales or Trumbo from the halos

stl_cards16
3 years 8 months ago

I wouldn’t give anything of much value for either. Trumbo is a poor hitter besides power and who knows what you get out of Morales. I would rather take a gamble on Morales than Trumbo though.

The_BiRDS
3 years 8 months ago

Neither.. do you know how weak that would look if we made a trade with the Angels to fill the gaps from THEM stealing our superstar?

3 years 8 months ago

I wouldnt trade for either mayb pick up Morales if they Non tender him! I think if he can get fully healthy he will be a complete beast! Wouldnt it be funny if we did sign him and he turned out to be a better sign than POO! Man that would be classic!

vtadave
3 years 8 months ago

It would also be classic if the Mets signed Yuniesky Betancourt and he hit better than Jose Reyes? Pretty sure that’s just as unlikely.

3 years 8 months ago

Its def not likely! I was just sayn that if he was non tendered the Cards could sign him for way less than 254 mill. I feel when or if he is fully right he will be a .300 30 hr 100 rbi guy. It wasnt long ago we gave a guy that had cronic injury problems a chance (Carp) and he turned out just fine IMO. This isnt as far fetched as your statement!

dc21892
3 years 8 months ago

They didn’t “steal” anyone. They offered him a better deal, and Albert accepted. Get over it.

3 years 8 months ago

i would put him in LF not center

Jdobb
3 years 8 months ago

I would really like the Cardinals to get there lefty so there pitching is set. I keep hearing Ryan Ludwichs name as a 4th outfielder and hes rigght handed hitter along with Skip Shoemaker could be out 5th outfielder or starting 2nd basemen. Hanley Ramerez would look nice in Cardinal red just dont know what it would take to get him.

Dermick
3 years 8 months ago

I would love it, but it would probably start with Miller

3 years 8 months ago

I think it would start with Garcia, they are trying to win now!

The_BiRDS
3 years 8 months ago

That and Miller is nowhere near Latin

Dermick
3 years 8 months ago

I would love it, but it would probably start with Miller

adieuordie
3 years 8 months ago

Given all the Schumaker and Ludwick t-shirts I’ve seen around Busch, you would think fans would’ve learned to spell their names by now. This disappoints me.

adieuordie
3 years 8 months ago

Given all the Schumaker and Ludwick t-shirts I’ve seen around Busch, you would think fans would’ve learned to spell their names by now. This disappoints me.

RallySquirrel
3 years 8 months ago

The cardinals have a somewhat rebuilt farm system.  I say do whatever it takes to get Asdrubal Cabrera.  He’s young and can definitely be a franchise shortshop.  The Cleveland Indians have gone on record to say they cannot afford to extend his contract because of money. 
link to mlbtraderumors.com

3 years 8 months ago

I would love to get him but after the year he had last year I beat they would want Shelby or Carlos Martinez +

3 years 8 months ago

I’d like Cabrera as well. But Mo said yesterday that he would prefer not to get into the farm system and to instead deal with Free Agents. But if it’s possible, I’d be in favor of dealing Martinez + others for him. Just not Miller.

3 years 8 months ago

What about Cody Ross?  Can play center, bats right handed, good in the clubhouse. Would be cheaper than Beltran.

adieuordie
3 years 8 months ago

He would also be much worse than Beltran. I suppose Ross wouldn’t be a terrible option off the bench, though.

The_BiRDS
3 years 8 months ago

Ross? No we need an impact player

3 years 8 months ago

Not sure why we need an impact player.  The plan all along was to put Craig in right.  Now that he is out for a month maybe to start the season, all we need is someone to hold down the fort.  Just because we have money to spend now doesn’t mean we have to make a big deal to be competitive. 

The_BiRDS
3 years 8 months ago

Yeah but when you lose your superstar and you’re trying to defend you’re championship you have to go out and get an impact player.

3 years 8 months ago

We need a SS, a lefty spec and a bat. The way I look at it is go get furcal(leadoff and good def ss), add either g sherril, jc romero or d oliver, and the bat i would say beltran is the best bat you could add. Play Jay in CF and Beltran in RF till Craig gets back. Then u can play Beltran in CF but will def have to give him more days off to keep him from breaking down.

The_BiRDS
3 years 8 months ago

I wonder what it would take to trade for Carlos Gonzalez?

3 years 8 months ago

let’s just say “lots”

3 years 8 months ago

Starts with S Miller and O Tevaras +

stl_cards16
3 years 8 months ago

Definitely not worth it, birds.

The_BiRDS
3 years 8 months ago

If the price is right he is… young, almost an MVP, 5 tool player

vtadave
3 years 8 months ago

Probably would take the Rockies’ choice of any three players not named Holliday, Wainwright, or Carpenter.

The_BiRDS
3 years 8 months ago

ya right

FreshMintt
3 years 8 months ago

Pull an AA Mozeliak, and trade for Hanley right now.  Worked out for the Blue Jays with Yunel.

FreshMintt
3 years 8 months ago

Pull an AA Mozeliak, and trade for Hanley right now.  Worked out for the Blue Jays with Yunel.

headsupkid01
3 years 8 months ago

Go BIG, I say get Beltran,Rollins, and either Fielder or oswalt. I know that will never happen but what I’m getting at is they need to do something big.

3 years 8 months ago

maybe not fielder since they already got berkman at 1B. But beltran and rollins sound like a great fit for this team, if not they could bring furcal back instead of rollins like it said in the article. im not so sure about oswalt but they should give it a shot

kunshack
3 years 8 months ago

I like the Oswalt idea, but Westbrook would be the only starter to trade or do you pay him to come out of the bullpen and make spot starts.  The Cards said they have money burning a whole in their pocket, they need to spend on a bat.

headsupkid01
3 years 8 months ago

Go BIG, I say get Beltran,Rollins, and either Fielder or oswalt. I know that will never happen but what I’m getting at is they need to do something big.

Cards_Fanboy
3 years 8 months ago

Before Craig recovery….
Holliday in Left, Jay in Center, Beltran in right, Schumaker fill-in

After Craig recovery…
Holliday – Left, Beltran – Center, Craig – Right, Jay fill-in

If no Beltran signing…
Sign Manny!

The_BiRDS
3 years 8 months ago

I know Kemp just extended but I would trade Jay, Miller, Cox, Tavaras + for that guy

cardsfan1988
3 years 8 months ago

You are probably the only one…with Lohse and westbrook gone after this year and Carp gone in two years, there is no way the Cards deal Miller because he is slotted to be a starter in 2013. Getting rid of a cost controlled stud is dumb to trade for a CF…not to mention all the other pieces they would send over in the deal as well

mgsports
3 years 8 months ago

Rollins and Micheal C. who use to be with Twins and when Craig gets back Berkman in CF.

gwagler
3 years 8 months ago

heres the lineup;;;;      Fracual Jay Berkman Holliday Beltron Freese Molina Schumaker Wainwright!!                 Who needs Pujols?

kunshack
3 years 8 months ago

The Cards will have a great rotation next year with Waino coming back, not saying this will offset losing Albert, but it will take a little sting out because we won’t need huge productions of offense every fifth day cause Kyle isn’t making a start

Drew
3 years 8 months ago

I wouldnt mind seeing Beltran in a cards jersey and I also think that holiday needs to go with his performance in the playoffs last year. Holiday for Hanley?

dc21892
3 years 8 months ago

You can’t write him off for having a bad playoff run, especially when the team won the World Series. He was one of the Cards best all season, and probably is the best position player left on the roster going forward, so get used to him until his contract is up.

Drew
3 years 8 months ago

Holiday plus for Hanley?

The Awesome Man
3 years 8 months ago

Your not very bright sorry. :(

The Awesome Man
3 years 8 months ago

Goodbye.

The Awesome Man
3 years 8 months ago

Goodbye also

The Awesome Man
3 years 8 months ago

Goodbye 3!!!

The Awesome Man
3 years 8 months ago

Wow… (speechless)

The Awesome Man
3 years 8 months ago

Dude u r so gonna get kicked off of trade rumors. By the way… TMI!!