Giants Notes: Cain, Lincecum, Ishikawa

Andrew Baggarly of the San Jose Mercury News has some details about the Giants' quest to lock up Matt Cain and Tim Lincecum to multiyear extensions.  The latest…

  • Cain's representatives spoke with Giants VP Bobby Evans during the Winter Meetings.  Baggarly says "all indications are that the Giants plan to be aggressive in locking up Cain before he reports to spring training."
  • The "benchmark" for a Cain extension seems to be the six-year, $99MM offer from the Marlins that C.J. Wilson reportedly turned down before signing with the Angels.  "Cain is younger and better than Wilson," an industry source tells Baggarly.  "He'd get $150 million on the open market."
  • When Cain signed his three-year, $27.25MM extension in March 2010, a fourth year (worth $16MM) was originally part of the contract but the Giants removed it from the deal due to worries about loose bodies found in a scan of Cain's throwing elbow.  Rick Landrum, one of Cain's representatives, didn't know why the Giants removed the fourth year since Cain's medical information hadn't changed, but said it wouldn't affect the current talks with the club.  For what it's worth, Cain has thrown 445 innings over the last two seasons and appears as durable as ever.
  • Jon Heyman of MLB Network reported earlier this week that Lincecum was seeking an eight-year contract.  Baggarly confirms this item and adds that the eight-year proposal "was believed to include opt-out language."  In another piece, Baggarly hears from Evans that while the Giants don't have a policy against such opt-out clauses, the club is "not inclined (because) it’s not strategically beneficial to us.”
  • "The feeling around the league" is that the Giants will eventually have to part ways with one of the two aces.
  • The team has had discussions about re-signing Travis Ishikawa, who is a minor league free agent.  Shoulder surgery limited Ishikawa to 56 games with Triple-A Fresno last season.


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30 Comments on "Giants Notes: Cain, Lincecum, Ishikawa"


slider32
3 years 8 months ago

Cain and Lincecum are too good to sign with the Giants. I can see both becoming free agents. The Giants just don’t have the money to pay them both.

candlestick22
3 years 8 months ago

“too good to sign with the Giants”? Care to elaborate?

rainyperez
3 years 8 months ago

“I really want them on my team. So I’ll be vocal on the boards so that my ownership will take notice to sign them” 

I think that’s what he means.

3 years 8 months ago

Once they stop paying Zito and Rowand they will be fine

55saveslives
3 years 8 months ago

The problem is, they DO have the money.  Ownership wants to hoard profits to line their pockets.  That’s why Bill Neukom was force to leave. He wanted to spend to make the team better. 

GiantsRock
3 years 8 months ago

Slider32, Sounds like an old time Philles fan, Steve Carlton anyone?  I can understand the statement too expensive for the Giants, but too good?  Such hyperbole.  Go back under the bridge, you troll.

Gumby65
3 years 8 months ago

Cain, Lincecum, Ishikawa

“One of these things, are not like the others…”

rainyperez
3 years 8 months ago

Well if it wasn’t for Ishikawa’s walk in the bottom of the 9th against the Braves the Giants wouldn’t have won that World Series. 

dinoes
3 years 8 months ago

Let timmy smoke!

Dan Wohl
3 years 8 months ago

I think the Giants should remember that they’ve also got a guy (Madison Bumgarner) who could end up being better than either of them. What happens when he gets to free agency?

3 years 8 months ago

what…? hes under team control for like 5 more years…..

Dan Wohl
3 years 8 months ago

…and long term deals for Tim and Matt could very well be longer than that. In Lincecum’s case, almost definitely given his eight year proposal.

3 years 8 months ago

that’s still several years away.

55saveslives
3 years 8 months ago

Rowand/Huff’s money is off the books after this season, Zito’s after next.  I think the ballpark is paid off after this year as well.  That itself is 20 mill extra.  Whether or not ownership puts that money back into the team is the question.

Darmintak
3 years 8 months ago

Considering their stated plan of keeping the pitching in place, I certainly think that’s what they’re going for.

alxn
3 years 8 months ago

The problem with that logic is that it assumes Sabean won’t make another boneheaded signing within the next 2 years. Given his track record, that appears very unlikely.

3 years 8 months ago

it also doesn’t factor the natural raises for Timmy, MadBum, et al.  Timmy making $13MM this year increases to $18MM next.  Already that’s $5MM less to play with

3 years 8 months ago

AT&T Park will be paid off in 2017 but still with Zito, Rowand, and Huff off the books this isn’t a catastrophic stituation 

3 years 8 months ago

I love this part of the Post about Cain

an industry source tells Baggarly.  “He’d get $150 million on the open market.”

Really…I like Cain but i don’t think so…maybe 130mil tops…He would need like 8 teams bidding on him to get 150mil or more…With the Dodger’s being one of those teams driving up his price & making the Giants think about a Kershaw,Cain,1,2

55saveslives
3 years 8 months ago

Yes, because the dodgers can afford it.  LOLZ

sfgiantsforeternity
3 years 8 months ago

I sincerely hope that the reason the Giants aren’t going after anyone this off-season is simply because they have something in the works with both Lincecum and Cain. Cain is more durable but Lincecum is definitely more marketable. Didn’t like the Sanchez trade simply because i don’t think it is smart to rely on Vogelsong having another good year/years. MadBum is going to emerge as an ace soon enough. Sucks they traded Wheeler.

Steve
Steve
3 years 8 months ago

There still has been nothing other than speculation that suggest Tim Lincecum is not durable…

J. Alora
3 years 8 months ago

Thank you. I get tired of hearing this speculation as fact as well.

Reaper87
3 years 8 months ago

It’s not that Timmy is not durable, but Cain has been far more consistent and just “looks the part”. I know that means next to nothing in reality, but people like it when things fit into the cookie cutter mold. I hope the Giants keep both of them around for a long time, but as a Giants fan, if one had to go I hope they keep Cain

Smitty
3 years 8 months ago

Sanchez has been a head case for quite sometime. TheGiants have not been able to rely on him for a full season. He walks a lot of hitters and with minimal offense the cant afford that so he was expendable. Vogelsong is a lot more mature now than he’s ever been. Years ago he was Sanchez, now he’s always around the plate and that’s what the Giants need.

mpguy
3 years 8 months ago

For “the feeling around the league,” substitute the words, “the HOPE around the league.”

3 years 8 months ago

haa perfectly phrased

orangenblackattack
3 years 8 months ago

AT&T will be paid off in 2017, just in time for a Bumgarner extension.

Smitty
3 years 8 months ago

You mean the hope around the league is that they will become free agents.

Smitty
3 years 8 months ago

The Giants will lock up Cain and Lincecum for a lot of years.