A’s Unlikely To Trade Gio Gonzalez At Meetings

The latest on Athletics lefty Gio Gonzalez, a 26-year-old who is under team control through 2015…

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244 Comments on "A’s Unlikely To Trade Gio Gonzalez At Meetings"


3 years 8 months ago

I hope Billy knows that Brown is going to be a bust.  Philly needs to send something more than that.  There is a reason Philly offered him up and its not you have to trade value to get value.  Philly hasn’t really done that in recent years.

MB923
3 years 8 months ago

Philly is definitely going to have to send more of course. This is not a straight up trade.

Phillies_Aces35
3 years 8 months ago

(Notable Phillies trades since 2007 off the top of my head)
2007 – Gavin Floyd and Gio Gonzalez for Freddy Garcia
2008 – Michael Bourn for Brad Lidge
2008 – Adrian Cardensas, Josh Outman + for Joe Blanton
2009 – Greg Golson for John Mayberry
2009 – Jason Donald, Carlos Carrasco, and Lou Marson + for Cliff Lee
2009 – Cliff Lee for Phillippe Aumont, JC Ramirez, and Tyson Gillies
2010 – Kyle Drabek, Michael Taylor, and Travis D’Arnaud for Roy Halladay
2010 – JA Happ, Anthony Gose, and Jonathan Villar for Roy Oswalt
2011 – Jarred Cosart, Jonathan Singleton, Domingo Santana, + for Hunter Pence

There’s only two trades the Phillies 100% won in that and that was the Greg Golson/John Mayberry swap and the original Cliff Lee trade.

nm344
3 years 8 months ago

The Halladay trade is a trade I’d do 100 times out of a 100.

Phillies_Aces35
3 years 8 months ago

I would too but it was a fair trade. There’s a difference between “fair” and “winning.”

Both sides got what they wanted out of that deal.

nm344
3 years 8 months ago

Only really bad trade so far is the Garcia trade. The rest I’m cool with.

Phillies_Aces35
3 years 8 months ago

Still gave up a ton of value despite what John said.

I’m fine with all of those trades too and wouldn’t take any of them back besides the 2nd Cliff Lee trade and the Freddy Garcia trade. They were all good trades for both sides. You don’t have to “Win” a trade for it to be good. I’m not really sure you understand what I’m saying, which is fine.

Almost all of those trades benefited both parties.

3 years 8 months ago

they didnt trade for cliff lee a second time. they signed him as a free agent last off season or did you forget that?

Bender44
3 years 8 months ago

The 2nd trade being the trade of Cliff Lee TO Seattle .

Phillies_Aces35
3 years 8 months ago

They traded him to Seattle, did you forget that?

3 years 8 months ago

yea but thats how they brought in roy

I_Am_Roy_Halladay
3 years 8 months ago

But by resigning Lee a year later, they pretty much admitted that they never had to trade Lee to afford Roy in the first place

3 years 8 months ago

yea but thats how they brought in roy

Guest
3 years 8 months ago

IMO it seems like phi won just about all of them [or at least a draw], to be honest

Phillies_Aces35
3 years 8 months ago

They gave up a ton of blue chip prospects or guys who developed into blue chip prospects.

I’m not really seeing it. Even if they did “win” all of those trades, which I don’t really see, they gave up plenty of value. Anthony Gose, Jarred Cosart, Jonathan Singleton, and Travis D’Arnaud come to mind.

I think a lot of them were draws or at least teams getting fair value back in any of those trades.

nm344
3 years 8 months ago

Yeah – prospects. Lets wait to see if they produce in the bigs, plenty of question marks on all of them

Phillies_Aces35
3 years 8 months ago

… whatever. I’m not even wasting my time with this anymore. They gave up quality talent. Whether or not they develop into anything is to be determined but they gave up fair value in almost all of those trades.

Prospects are prospects… they gave up some very good ones. All I’ve said. They gave up value.

Phillies_Aces35
3 years 8 months ago

… whatever. I’m not even wasting my time with this anymore. They gave up quality talent. Whether or not they develop into anything is to be determined but they gave up fair value in almost all of those trades.

Prospects are prospects… they gave up some very good ones. All I’ve said. They gave up value.

RobA
3 years 8 months ago

Can’t write off Drabek yet either. Supposedly he’s in good shape, and is working really hard this offseason

Phillies_Aces35
3 years 8 months ago

Absolutely, they’re just the guys that at the time, I were disappointed to see leave the system and I think have the highest ceilings.

I was surprised by how bad Drabek was this year, I was and continue to expect big things from him. I’ll add him to that group.

RobA
3 years 8 months ago

Yeah, me too. He was pretty good his few starts in 2010. His thing is all mental though. He’s got nasty stuff, just needs to learn how to control it, and control himself on the mound. I still have hope, he’s just a kid. And really this is probably the first adversity he’s ever faced in his baseball career. I’m sure his old man is going to help him with some of the mental aspects over the winter.

Guest
3 years 8 months ago

Yeah a lot of them have turned out terrible.  Haap really comes to mind. do you think it was overhype or they just simply didn’t pan out?

Phillies_Aces35
3 years 8 months ago

Which ones have turned out to be terrible? Happ wasn’t expected to be any more than a back of the rotation starter.

Drabek needs to work on his approach.

Carrasco had a good season before his Tommy John Surgery.

Some of its over hype but I think a lot of it is guys still developing. We won’t know until 10 years from now who won what trades but I think the Phillies gave up a ton of talent to acquire the players they did. Whether or not they won those trades, they gave up talent to acquire talent. There’s a ton of blue chip prospects in all of those deals, guys who have even gotten more hype since leaving the organization.

3 years 8 months ago

how do you figure they won the golson mayberry trade? golson has been decent with the yankees when he comes up when they add to the roster in september. he just dont come up and play as an everyday player because of whos already out there playing. if anything the trade was as even as anything. Mayberry hasnt done crap really for the phillies, and golson hasnt played but a total of two months in the majors. i remember in 2010 Golson threw out Carl Crawford at 3B after he fielded the ball 10 feet from the right field wall. perfect strong line drive throw straight to Arod at 3b. if anything you guys gave up a strong arm in the OF, for a tall lanky slow guy who has an average to decent arm. and btw you forgot the halladay trade. that was your guys best trade out of all of them. both times you guys got cliff lee you didnt win the series. maybe thats a hint, hes a world series jinx. Rangers couldnt win it with him, phillies couldnt the first time around and the second time around didnt even make it ou of the first round. typical philly teams this year.

Phillies_Aces35
3 years 8 months ago

Mayberry hasn’t done crap?

.273/.341/.513 for the Phillies.

I’m not even going to waste my time replying to you until you do some research.

FamousGrouse
3 years 8 months ago

Great post! I personally think the Phillies are a better team now than with all of those prospects. Without those trades they are a still a good team, but with them they are one of the best in baseball. I could live without the Garcia trade.
Even Blanton played a part in the world series win so still a win on that trade.
Prospect hugging is all well and good, but I think the phils made good choices here.

Phillies_Aces35
3 years 8 months ago

I think they made a great trade I just wanted to point out the fact that they gave up talented pieces to get these MLB guys.

steve
3 years 8 months ago

They all look like great deals to me.  You have a short memory if you don’t think the Blanton or Lidge trades were good…Blanton was unbeatable when he came here and Lidge was perfect.  I’ll trade everyone for a world series ring.  

You can’t even debate trading for 2 of the top 3 in Cy Young voting, consistently at that.   

Phillies_Aces35
3 years 8 months ago

Never once said they were bad deals. You clearly didn’t read what I wrote or are misinterpreting me, either way, you’re missing the point.

I’m done with this, if people aren’t going to even read what I’ve written, I’m not going to reply to them.

The original post I replied to said they gave no talent/value back. I just threw all those trades up there, including the trades they lost, to show that they in fact have given up a ton of MLB players.

3 years 8 months ago

out of all of these trades all of them have worked out besides # 1 if that trade never went through we would of had no doubt the best rotation in the history of baseball and give up d-brown i dont like him if u trade him and kendrick 4 gio i would love ruben even more kendrick sux at starting he can only long relieve give up blanton and his use contract and 5 years from now when the phils have won the 2012, 2013,2014,2015 ws bcause of roy, cole, and cliff, and vanimal that roy halladay trade will b the best trade to ever go through if drabek is  a ryan leaf

Phillies_Aces35
3 years 8 months ago

I said they gave up talent. The original post I replied to said they never gave up value. They did. They gave up blue chip prospects. End of story.

Never once said they didn’t work for the Phillies. In fact, quite the opposite. They, with the exception of two, were all great trades.

Just because I don’t think the Phillies outright won them doesn’t mean I don’t think they were good trades. I don’t see why a trade can’t benefit both sides.

3 years 8 months ago

out of all of these trades all of them have worked out besides # 1 if that trade never went through we would of had no doubt the best rotation in the history of baseball and give up d-brown i dont like him if u trade him and kendrick 4 gio i would love ruben even more kendrick sux at starting he can only long relieve give up blanton and his use contract and 5 years from now when the phils have won the 2012, 2013,2014,2015 ws bcause of roy, cole, and cliff, and vanimal that roy halladay trade will b the best trade to ever go through if drabek is  a ryan leaf

$3513744
3 years 8 months ago

You’re talking about the same team that traded Cliff Lee for a bunch of mediiocre prospects right?

nm344
3 years 8 months ago

That trade remains TBD.  Aumont looks like a stud now and is going to be a setup guy or closer.  Gillies is finally healthy and could be a productive CF.  We’ll see.

$3513744
3 years 8 months ago

exactly, we’ll see.  But the point is they gave up Cliff Lee in that deal and those weren’t exactly the M’s top prospects.  They may or may not have gotten hosed in that deal, but they did give up great value in Lee.  So his claim that Philly hasn’t given up value in trades is just non-sense.

sec3mysofa
3 years 8 months ago

Technically, they gave up ONE YEAR of Cliff Lee for those guys. And Gillies may very well yet make a name.

Oh, and by “win” a trade, you mean “improved the team,” not “hosed the other GM,” right?

$3513744
3 years 8 months ago

Yeah, it was one year of arguably the best pitcher in the league.  Gillies may make a name for himself, but who knows.  The point was they gave up a significant value in Lee, which is exactly the point I was making.  I don’t see where I said anything about winning a trade.

Phillies_Aces35
3 years 8 months ago

It was an awful trade they could have gotten Jesus Montero and Arodys Vizcaino from the Yankees and could have gotten a better package elsewhere.

nm344
3 years 8 months ago

No they couldnt.  They just got beat by the Yankees in the WS where the star was Cliff Lee. How would the fans react?

Phillies_Aces35
3 years 8 months ago

Who cares? It’s still a better package and that was the rumored package the Yankees offered. That’s a better package than what they got.

My point: There were better deals out there. I doubt they trade him to the Yankees, they obviously didn’t. But there were better offers on the table, they rushed to get a deal done.

I’m sure that World Series loss played a part but that doesn’t mean the Phillies didn’t still get a horrible package for Cliff Lee and there’s evidence there were better deals out there.

Ruben blew that trade. It worked out in the end but it’s still a terrible trade.

Jason Klinger
3 years 8 months ago

And you know Brown’s going to be a bust because…you’re psychic?

dinoes
3 years 8 months ago

because hes 25 and hasn’t done squat in the mlb?

YanksFanSince78
3 years 8 months ago

Really? That’s what you’re going by? He won’t be 25 until Sep 2012 btw. AND HE’S ONLY HAD at 50 AB’S!!!!!!!!
He still had respectable #’s for a rookie, especially like that 25/35 walk/ko rate. A .725 for a rookie power slugger is respectable.
I seem to remember how many “untouchable” phrases I heard about Brown and Drabek. How soon you jump ship Dino.

Phillies_Aces35
3 years 8 months ago

Domonic Brown’s a great OBP guy, it’s just a matter of him regaining his confidence and his defensive tools clicking together. I’d give up another 2-3 of our Blue Chip prospects in addition to Brown to acquire him.

I want Gio, just not at the expense of Cole Hamels.

moondog45
3 years 8 months ago

Another 2-3 blue chip prospects? That’s crazy. Never happen

Phillies_Aces35
3 years 8 months ago

Our blue chip prospects really aren’t that good other than Brown. Trevor May had a good year but there’s a ton of question marks with him and his success came with him repeating a level, Biddle has questions about his velocity, Sebastian Valle can’t take a walk, and I don’t know who else could be considered “blue chip.”

melonis_rex
3 years 8 months ago

If the Phillies don’t keep Hamels after 2012, its not because they traded for Gio. 

Phillies_Aces35
3 years 8 months ago

Not talking about that, I’m talking about if they dump him like they did for Cliff Lee.

melonis_rex
3 years 8 months ago

agree— it would negate the point of trading for Gio to turn around and trade Hamels. 

Andrew Reynolds
3 years 8 months ago

No it wouldn’t. Gio would be under relatively cheap team control for a few more years whereas we will have to shell out $20M +/year in the near future for Cole in a year. From a production standpoint, they “negate” to use your term but the move gives us significant financial flexibility.

Louis Wills
3 years 8 months ago

would you at the expense of flipping Hamels to the Yankees?

I would do Brown, Aumont, Colvin and Jiwan James for Breslow and Gonzalez
then flip Hamels for Betances and Mason Williams seems like a heck of a haul in both deals.

3 years 8 months ago

idk why, but i like that lol. Hamels has the playoff and world series experience. Gio would be new to it all and could fall apart in the post season. i wonder what brian cashmans twitter name is lol. but i think the phils would need to give up a better pitcher, someone like worely for gio.

Phillies_Aces35
3 years 8 months ago

I’d prefer Montero or Banuelos back. I think there’s a good market out there for him I just don’t trust Ruben to get a good package back given the history of teams trading aces.

I don’t think I can evaluate Hamels properly. He’s my favorite player and I’m obviously biased with him.

I think the Yankees are a great fit, Boston’s a great fit and I’d love to see the Phillies get Middlebrooks back in a deal.

3 years 8 months ago

can tell you right now thats who the A’s are going to want. prob even vance worely. and as the phils owner and gm are trying to turn the phils in to the yankees by trading or signing all of these old guys lol. here the yankees will give you aj burnett for mayberry straight up. lol

John McFadin
3 years 8 months ago

You really should just stop typing.

Thomas W
3 years 8 months ago

Michael Taylor in LF, Dom Brown in RF playoffs in 2012 not a doubt in my mind

Tirameenlasbolas
3 years 8 months ago

The Phillies could really use another arm

😐

robb278
3 years 8 months ago

lol its funny everytime the yanks get involved in trade talks of someone they like it always seems every team follows suit.

Phillies_Aces35
3 years 8 months ago

Doubt they were the first team that liked Gio Gonzalez.

3 years 8 months ago

they had been tryin to get Gio since last year. oh well, send betances nunez and another prospect to oakland for Cahill.

John McFadin
3 years 8 months ago

Considering the Yankees weren’t even close to being the first team to talk about Gio, your entire post makes no sense.  But isn’t it just so funny?!?!?!?!?!?

3 years 8 months ago

Don’t like it for the A’s.  Brown has not been that great above the majors and the A’s have been stuck with many former great prospects that do nothing. 

Phillies_Aces35
3 years 8 months ago

Looking beyond the numbers, the only real glaring weakness with Domonic Brown is his defense and base running. He turned his 2011 around in July with a .300 batting average and close to .400 obp (?) and was only sent to AAA because the Phillies acquired Hunter Pence. Offensively, he was showing signs of turning it around.

His confidence got shattered when he got sent to AAA and sulked.

3 years 8 months ago

Phillies fans should not get to excited because the tigers and yanks have upped their offers too.  Brown would be just part of a package.  So far A’s beat writers are saying that the Tigers are in the lead.

Phillies_Aces35
3 years 8 months ago

I’m not excited and doubt anything would get done because I realize my team’s prospects aren’t good enough to get a deal done.

It’s just something fun to think about.

3 years 8 months ago

im surprised the tigers even has anyone left to trade lol.

Rangers4Life
3 years 8 months ago

Looks like the Phillies are doing with pitchers what the Rangers used to do with batters. Collect each and every one of them.

3 years 8 months ago

Horrible trade partner for the A’s, I don’t think Beane wants or needs Dom Brown, he’s too old.

Rangers4Life
3 years 8 months ago

A guy born in 1987 is too old how?

3 years 8 months ago

When Beane says he wants A and AA players for Gio. That usually means players under 21. Therefore a guy born in 1987 is too old for a team that isn’t competing anytime soon.

sportsfan07
3 years 8 months ago

He never said that he wanted A or AA guys for Gio. He wants a package similar to the one he got for Haren and there was only 1 guy in that deal that was in the A or AA range which was Chris Carter.

DeliciousCake
3 years 8 months ago

24 years old is “too old”? 

3 years 8 months ago

Beane specifically said he is looking for under 21 players at A or AA.

dinoes
3 years 8 months ago

Pete is right. The sad thing is most phillie fans on twitter think Brown is worth more than gio and they expect prospects in return… LOL. 

SilentRob1028
3 years 8 months ago

this phillie fan doesnt like Brown he wouldnt take advice from Hall of Famer Schimbdt.

jpkinney7
3 years 8 months ago

Well, the A’s would have Dom Brown from 2012 – 2017, and a stadium in San Jose should be built by 2015-2016.   Conceivably, you can sign Dominic Brown thru 2018 (with an option year).   The goal is to be World Series competitive Day1 in Silicon Valley.  

dinoes
3 years 8 months ago

dom brown is 30 by then 

melonis_rex
3 years 8 months ago

The A’s, with all their offense issues and with their entire 2011 outfield in free agency, don’t need (arguably) the third best outfield prospect in baseball (behind Harper and Trout if he’s still eligible)? 

Obviously, there needs to be more in a Gio deal than Brown, but Brown’s a great centerpiece. He’s a better prospect than anyone that was in the first Haren trade. 

3 years 8 months ago

The trade would give Dominic Brown playing time, but I think trading Gio might be a HUGE risk.

melonis_rex
3 years 8 months ago

I agree. It’s a huge risk, and there has to be other players in the deal besides Brown.

He’s still the best outfield (or any position player, to boot) prospect the A’s can realistically get back in a trade of any of their players (since you’re not getting Bryce Harper and Brown/Trout are somewhat on the same level). 

3 years 8 months ago

I think you are going too recent, Beane’s looking at 2010 & 2011 draftees here, not guys on prospect lists. 

3 years 8 months ago

The trade would give Dominic Brown playing time, but I think trading Gio might be a HUGE risk.

Phillies_Aces35
3 years 8 months ago

He’s not eligible, lost his rookie status sometime last year since he had to sit on the MLB DL.

Phillies_Aces35
3 years 8 months ago

He’s not eligible, lost his rookie status sometime last year since he had to sit on the MLB DL.

3 years 8 months ago

You over-rate Domonic Brown greatly, he’s not worth being the centerpiece of a Gio deal and Phily doesn’t have anyone else the A’s need. I’d do McCarthy for Brown 1-1 though.

sportsfan07
3 years 8 months ago

I don’t know if you really can compare Brown now to Gonzalez then. I would really give Gonzalez a bit of an edge because he was labelled a 5-tool guy whereas Brown does not have the speed that Gonzalez does or the arm.

John McFadin
3 years 8 months ago

Sad thing is, by judging from your previous posts, this isn’t a troll post.  This guy is serious.

3 years 8 months ago

Yes, I am serious because I go off what comes out of Beane’s mouth and he said that he isn’t looking for ready-now players for Gio, he’s looking for guys at A and AA. See what I’m doing is talking about things that we all know, rather than pull wishcasts out of the air.

dinoes
3 years 8 months ago

Hopefully they don’t trade with the phillies. They don’t have any good young prospects.

3 years 8 months ago

how is he too old

3 years 8 months ago

I don’t see how this helps the Phillies. If the goal is cost control, you’re basically getting a cost controlled replacement for Hamels, but giving up your cost controlled replacement for Pence in 2013.

nm344
3 years 8 months ago

Pence is under control until 2014.

3 years 8 months ago

If I’m the Phillies I’d trade Dominic Brown for Gio and sign Willingham. 

JohnKruksWaistline
3 years 8 months ago

There’s no need to sign Willingham if they’re going to platoon Mayberry and Nix.

I can’t stand how the Phillies handle prospects. Never let them learn in the Majors, and always give them a shot real late if they escape the gauntlet of being traded. I’d rather re-sign Oswalt and give Dom Brown a fair shake, which is something he hasn’t gotten yet.

RobA
3 years 8 months ago

Think Toronto is going to be in this mix. We’ve certainly got the farmsystem for it, and we’re looking for a #1-#2 starter. Plus, we’re not mentioned at all, which is certainly our GM’s style. If our name was linked to Gio all over the place, it would mean we definitely aren’t in on it.

Phillies_Aces35
3 years 8 months ago

I thought they were the favorite for him going in. Romero/Morrow/Gonzalez is a great top of the rotation.

3 years 8 months ago

Ya, that would be pretty great, particularly if you fill the rotation out with Alvarez and McGowan. It would have some real question marks going into the season, but it would have the potential to be one of the top 1-5s in the AL.

Guest
3 years 8 months ago

So I’m a bit confused; 

Dominic Brown from the Phillies
Josh Reddick from the Red Sox

Jesus Montero, Manny Banuelos, Delin Betances from the Yankees. I think I got it. No wonder Cashman is giving everyone the finger left and right. 

Guest
3 years 8 months ago

..and reading this is just what PMO even more. Teams throwing spare parts around, but the White Sox and A’s want the Yanks entire farm and why not, throw Cano in as well. Braves want Swisher, Nunez and Montero for Jair freaking Jurrjens. Dominic freaking Brown who’s been in prospect status for 4 years straight up for Gonzalez? Meh..Cashman should just get up and walk out of the meetings at this rate. I’d feel pretty damn insulted as well.

3 years 8 months ago

Ok Century you need to get your facts correct.  Reddick was for Bailey and no time have the players the redsox offered has been posted.  the A’s did want middleton for Bailey and sox said no.  Second all the Yanks offered for Gio was 3 prospects and not one was Montero.  The A’s asked for the Yanks 3 top prospects including Montero.  The tigers has offered their top prospect too plus 3 more prospects.  The Phillies offered Brown plus other players for Gio not alone.  The cost for Gio is more than just montero so if you can’t compete just go home. 

ZZZZZIPPP
3 years 8 months ago

WHY ARE YOU SO SAD. THERE IS NO CONSPIRACY. IS IT NOT POSSIBLE THAN YANKEES PROSPECTS ARE OVERHYPED

MB923
3 years 8 months ago

If they were overhyped, teams wouldn’t be trading away their best players for them. There is obviously a reason why Montero and Betances are asked in every trade offer.

YanksFanSince78
3 years 8 months ago

Ahhhhh….so all the experts are biased towards the Yanks but every other evaluation of YOUR teams prospects are certified legit? Wow.

ZZZZZIPPP
3 years 8 months ago

WHAT–AHH–“SYSTEM ERROR”–WHAT PROSPECTZZZ–WHAT–NO–THAT IS NOT–YOU MADE AN INTERPRETATION—NO–IS WRONG–OH GOD

not_brooks
3 years 8 months ago

What, exactly, is the problem with team asking for huge ransoms for young pitchers that they have no real reason to move?

The Braves have two cost-controlled years left on Jurrjens, and there’s no reason to believe they won’t compete next year.

The A’s have four cost-controlled years left on Gio, and he’s a 26-year-old left-handed ace in the making.

So, first off, get your offers right, and second, stop complaining.

When guys like C.J. Wilson are getting offers of around 4/60, teams with young, cost-controlled starters have every right to ask for the moon.

YanksFanSince78
3 years 8 months ago

a) The Braves and A’s are actively shopping those guys for a reason. Doesn’t mean they HAVE to trade them but they are actively soliciting offers.

b) Just because a team doesn’t want to fork over what they feel is too much doesn’t mean they or anyone, is in the wrong.

commenter3346
3 years 8 months ago

Josh Reddick was about Bailey, not Gonzalez. That’s completely different.

Guest
3 years 8 months ago

Yeah, but you saw what the conversation quickly evolved into. 

not_brooks
3 years 8 months ago

What? The A’s asking for more and the Red Sox saying “no”?

The A’s have a young, talented closer who’s under team control for three more seasons.

Why can’t they ask for what they want in return? It’s not like they’re forcing someone to overpay. They’re just not that motivated to move Bailey, so they’re looking for an overwhelming deal.

3 years 8 months ago

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

GasLampGuru
3 years 8 months ago

It seems to me the Phillies have much bigger needs to fill than another SP.  Their last two playoff runs have been marred by a stagnant offense.  They are too left-haded in their lineup, they swing and miss too much, and they get limited production out of their corner outfield spots and third base in the post season.  They really need a big, right-handed bat at 3B (Polanco is really a utility player at this point), and they need an upgrade in LF (whether you’re talking about replacing Ibanez or Brown).  Personally, if I were a Phillies fan I would be all about them signing Aramis Ramirez and committing to John Mayberry in LF.

3 years 8 months ago

Hunter Pence offers limited production?

Phillies_Aces35
3 years 8 months ago

If you consider
.324
.394
.560
to be limited production, you might need to lower your expectations.

At this point, I think they’re committing to John Mayberry Jr. Nothing really to lose if they go with him, there’s always outfielders available at the deadline and he’s a good defender.

Phillies_Aces35
3 years 8 months ago

If you consider
.324
.394
.560
to be limited production, you might need to lower your expectations.

At this point, I think they’re committing to John Mayberry Jr. Nothing really to lose if they go with him, there’s always outfielders available at the deadline and he’s a good defender.

Silence
3 years 8 months ago

I think Amaro is scared of the possible Pujols, Reyes, Ramirez, Stanton combo that’s being assembled..

But, I strongly agree, Aramis Ramirez would cure our 3B production woes and  give Mayberry time so he can be an all around good player out in left. I think why Dom is being packaged is that he was outplayed by Mayberry in every aspect of the game in their time in the majors. There is no loss in this as Dom Brown resembles too much of B.J Upton and that’s not a player we want on our team.

OaklandFan22
3 years 8 months ago

I’d be okay with this if the phillies added another solid prospect

3 years 8 months ago

The only way this makes sense is if the Phils turn around and move Hamels to Yanks/Sox/Blue Jays, perhaps in a three-team deal.  Phils would send Brown to As, As would send Gio to Phils, and the third party would send prospects both ways in return for Hamels. 

3 years 8 months ago

THat was my thought exactly, although then I though about how much Hamels would cost, and it would make more sense for the Jays to just get Gio straight up. Thames, A.J Jimenez and Aaron Sanchez? High upside Catcher, a local boy in Thames with Speed and Power for the outfield and a very high upside pitcher.

3 years 8 months ago

not sure that is enough for either Hamels or Gio.

Guest
3 years 8 months ago

Maybe every team should do what phi does..have good “prospects” and trade them away for a great player, and those prospects turn into garbage (i.e. J.A Haap).

Phillies_Aces35
3 years 8 months ago

JA Happ was never a top prospect.

JohnKruksWaistline
3 years 8 months ago

JA Happ wasn’t a prospect when the Oswalt deal happened. He was a mid 20s dude balding and pitching with an armory full of smoke and mirrors.

3 years 8 months ago

Is this the same JA Happ that all the Phils fans said would be too much to give up for  Roy Halladay? I remember calling him a joke back then and being torn a new one by Philly supporters.

Phillies_Aces35
3 years 8 months ago

Just to add into it: JA Happ was also on the DL with a forearm strain.

But yeah, it got ridiculious. I was a fan of what JA Happ did with us but I didn’t expect him to be more than a 4th starter. The same people thought Happ was a better pitcher than Hamels and should’ve started over him in the playoffs. Same people also think Vance Worley is going to develop into more than a Joe Blanton.

bigpat
3 years 8 months ago

Why the hell does Philly need another top of the rotation pitcher? It’s becoming a joke at this point.

Also, I think it’s a given that Brown will be traded soon. Manuel seems to despise him and he’s been too inconsistent to nail down a starting job. Combine that with coach’s lack of patience, and it’s not going to work. 

RobA
3 years 8 months ago

Yeah, I think at some point, the value added by continuosly adding top SP just isn’t worth it. For example, the difference between having two elite SP and one is massive. But the difference between having four elite SP and three is not nearly as huge, especially at the cost of getting such pitchers, and if it’s at the expense of your lineup.

I mean, when you’re talking about a 3 game series (or, god forbid, you’re one of the two new wildcards) having four great starters is not alwways going to help if you don’t have some firepower in your lineup.

You can have a kind of paradoxical situation where you’ve got a team built to dominate the regular season and win the World Series….but only if you can figure out a way to win the wildcard playoff, or manage to get out of the LDS.

Phillies_Aces35
3 years 8 months ago

It’s a huge advantage in the regular season when you have a #4 starter like Cole Hamels or Gio Gonzalez matching up against a lesser #4 type.

For the playoffs, it’s not an advantage especially since Halladay is willing to go on short rest, just for whatever reason they refuse to use him.

Silence
3 years 8 months ago

We don’t, this is very odd of us to be dangling Dom Brown for… Gio Gonzales? Not to mention that Gio was already on the Phillies in their farm system and now they’re going to dish out our future star just to keep a window open. I guess this means Amaro has a plan for LF in the future that doesn’t involve Dom. I think is strictly due to the fact that the Marlins are going heavy on their lineup and that the Nats are getting good finally. The Phillies should be going after Ramirez still and pushing to get Rollins back, because their lineup would be upgraded from last season which was our demise.

3 years 8 months ago

BECAUSE. YOU. CAN. NEVER. HAVE. ENOUGH. PITCHING.

Also they don’t have Oswalt anymore, and Hamels is most likely gone after this year too, so they really do need another front line SP. 

I just believe Dom Brown isn’t the answer for the A’s (they were burned on another Phily guy, Taylor, before) and they don’t have enough prospects to get it done, now put Bailey in the mix and make this a 3-teamer and you might be onto something…

dinoes
3 years 8 months ago

I hope they don’t trade with the phillies. Tigers and Yanks have much younger and better prospects than the phils. 

3 years 8 months ago

Last 2 postseasons the Phils lost because of their horrible offense.  Why then would they deal for another SP.  Look at their lineup with brown in the system, let alone without him.  It’s garbage!!!!! 
 1st-mayberry/nix
2nd utley
ss (maybe) rollins
3rd palonco
of  pence/victorino/nix
c ruiz

Their SP is fine.  Signing lee and now paplebon was a big mistake because you neglected an aging offense.  Those 2 contracts have and will continue to hold the phils back from improving their lineup.
All i casn say is have fun losing 3-1 games to the likes of lohse,westbrook,garcia….

3 years 8 months ago

The Phillies starting pitching is “fine”. Its aging too don’t forget Halladay will be 33 aswell as Lee.Their offense is garbadge now. Mayberry is no Howard lets get that straight and Utley is noone to rely on due to his Knee Chromoliga (dont know how to spell that).Polanco will be traded and they have very little future.

Phillies_Aces35
3 years 8 months ago

The problem with the Phillies offense isn’t really something you can buy or fix. Utley and Rollins were on base in almost every game against the Cardinals. The problem is after the 2nd inning in Game 2 the guys behind them got shut down.