Prince Fielder Rumors: Tuesday

7:45pm: Boras told Bruce Levine of ESPNChicago.com that there's no chance Fielder would prefer a short-term deal. "Not only is that inaccurate and delusional, but it seems that some people have gotten into their New Year's Eve stash just a little bit early this year," he said. At least six teams appear to be interested in Fielder, Levine writes. "It appears some baseball people are just bored," Boras said. "That's when you hear ideas like that floated."

5:10pm: MLBTR readers expect Prince Fielder to sign a long-term deal, but some general managers think agent Scott Boras could try something else. Several GMs told Peter Gammons of MLB Network that they think Fielder could agree to a three-year deal worth $26MM per season then return to the free agent market as a 30-year-old (Twitter link).

Albert Pujols signed for $25.4MM per season earlier this month, establishing a record for first basemen. Pujols agreed to his ten-year deal during this year's Winter Meetings, where Boras argued that a long-term deal makes sense for Fielder and his suitors.

"People say ‘why don’t you do a three-year deal?,’" Boras told reporters. "That doesn’t fit anybody’s purposes. The length of contract has a lot to do with an understanding from both sides of what franchise players are and what they mean. The branding part, the media rights part — all of those things go into that and while the initial concept is shorter is better, the reality is with these types of players it’s usually not the best dynamic for the franchise."

It's been three weeks since the Winter Meetings took place, so it's possible Boras and Fielder have changed their approach. Based on Boras' comments and the scarcity of power bats available I still expect Fielder to sign a long-term deal. Fielder hasn't found the offer he's looking for so far, but he's the top free agent available and it appears likely that he will get long-term offers to his liking before the winter ends.


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3 years 8 months ago

actually he should do that because in 3 years the Angels are going to be hurting for a new first baseman after albert gets stuck as DH with all kinds of injuries and such and we know they’re willing to pay big big bucks

joeybw
3 years 8 months ago

Wont happen. Somehow, Boras will find a 6/7 year deal for him.

Jon Melton
3 years 8 months ago

Someone will feel left out in the FA Market and will give him 6 to 8 years 160 to 220  somewhere in that range.

rikersbeard
3 years 8 months ago

6 years, 150mil with a mutual option for a 7th year at 25mil and/or a 5million buyout.

joeybw
3 years 8 months ago

Something like that. Maybe the Jays despite there “no more than 5 years” rule, I can see that.

rikersbeard
3 years 8 months ago

Ya, it is a huge commitment. But they have the payroll flexibility right now. They would still only be around 100mil. I’m sure that the Jays would be more likely to get involved if the Boras/Prince camp became receptive to the idea of options. however, I doubt Boras goes that route.

joeybw
3 years 8 months ago

Something like that. Maybe the Jays despite there “no more than 5 years” rule, I can see that.

CardsEagles1489
3 years 8 months ago

I still think the Nationals and Mariners are the best fits for him. If DC gets him, they would become a legit playoff contender in the NL..

Jon Melton
3 years 8 months ago

Gonzalez is a walk machine,  Nats will regret that one.

CardsEagles1489
3 years 8 months ago

Yeah, but he’s still young, and could learn to harness his control. If he does, he could become a great number 2 pitcher for years to come..

Jon Melton
3 years 8 months ago

I know the price of quality starters is steep,  but the walks still scare me on the positive he has an elite curveball.

CardsEagles1489
3 years 8 months ago

Yeah, no doubt he’s got great stuff. He should do well in the NL, although Nationals Park isn’t quite the pitcher’s haven that Oakland is..

Jon Melton
3 years 8 months ago

Do you think there is anyway Nats could have gotten Latos for the Gonzalez package and if so would they have been better off

leachim2
3 years 8 months ago

No. The Padres wanted hitting prospects because they are loaded with pitching prospects.

3 years 8 months ago

making outs > walks

He had games last year where he gave up 2 hits and had 6 walks over 7 IP. He’s good.

Lunchbox45
3 years 8 months ago

lots of pitchers who walk a lot of batters don’t give up hits.  its part of not being able to throw quality strikes

Guest
3 years 8 months ago

yeah…that concerned me too until i looked at his high walk games and he has great ability to get out of his jams……that being said it normally would be a little worrisome but he will be fine

MetsMagic
3 years 8 months ago

He gets enough ground balls and misses enough bats to keep his LOB% high, so the walks don’t make too much of a factor. They’ll regret giving up so much for him, but they won’t regret having him as the number 3 starter in their already strong rotation. 

Jon Melton
3 years 8 months ago

What I like is Strassburg and Harper on the same team what a future they have if they can stay healthy,  good for baseball no doubt.

MetsMagic
3 years 8 months ago

He gets enough ground balls and misses enough bats to keep his LOB% high, so the walks don’t make too much of a factor. They’ll regret giving up so much for him, but they won’t regret having him as the number 3 starter in their already strong rotation. 

CardsEagles1489
3 years 8 months ago

I still think the Nationals and Mariners are the best fits for him. If DC gets him, they would become a legit playoff contender in the NL..

cyberboo
3 years 8 months ago

The old adage applies to Fielder.  He and Boras may believe he is worth 25M for ten years, but that becomes a dream, especially when the highest offer he receives is for 6 years 25M.  Boras can wait for the ten year contract until the end of 2012, because owners will only pay what they believe he is worth – not what Boras thinks he is worth.  If someone is willing to take the risk of ten years, you can bet the farm that it would be for 15M per season.  That still equals 150M, regardless how they slice the cake.

Guest
3 years 8 months ago

i am thinking that albert’s contract is clouding boras’ judgement…..that is why it will be very close to spring training till he signs

MarinersRoyalsBraves2014
3 years 8 months ago

Can he still accept Arbitration?

Marktown
3 years 8 months ago

“… it’s usually not the best dynamic for the franchise.”

Since when does Scott Boras care about the good of the franchise? What a tool.

3 years 8 months ago

“doesnt fit anbody’s purposes” is a pretty ridiculous statement too, like he knows best.  But, i guess he has made millions by just coming up with some BS like that and then convincing a soon-to-be-fired GM that his client is the face of their franchise. This guy has ripped off team after team for expensive years on the end of contracts, and actually believes himself when he says he is trying to serve everyones purpose.

Marktown
3 years 8 months ago

“… it’s usually not the best dynamic for the franchise.”

Since when does Scott Boras care about the good of the franchise? What a tool.

NatsTown
3 years 8 months ago

why not 5 years 150mil? That way he gets a very high pay per year, and the team doesnt have to be on the books for 10 years

rikersbeard
3 years 8 months ago

What team would be willing to commit 30 million a year to one player? The cubs aren’t close enough to being competitive. The Rangers don’t have THAT much payroll flexibility. It is hard to imagine the Jays making that kind of commitment. The Nats? That would be a huge change to their payroll.  what happens when stras hits arb?

Jon Melton
3 years 8 months ago

25 mill per is a max for Fielder I believe

hallwagner
3 years 8 months ago

i don’t really think money is of concern for the nats. the lerners are loaded.

NatsTown
3 years 8 months ago

why not 5 years 150mil? That way he gets a very high pay per year, and the team doesnt have to be on the books for 10 years

3 years 8 months ago

i say he signs for a 6 year 138 plus and option for a 7th year at 25 mil with a 5 mil buyout

stl_cards16
3 years 8 months ago

If he signs for 3/$78MM this year all he would have to do is match that again in 3 years to make it a worthwhile gamble. If he can produce over the next 3 years(which I think we all consider pretty likely) he would easily get that.

3 years 8 months ago

i say he signs for a 6 year 138 plus and option for a 7th year at 25 mil with a 5 mil buyout

JTrea81
3 years 8 months ago

If GMs are so concerned about his weight at age 28, why the heck would they want to give him a LT deal at age 30 when he’s older and will have less prime years ahead of him?

Fielder would be smart to take a 6-7 year deal for 23-25 million per season.  He’s not going to get anything close to that at age 30.

OrangeCards
3 years 8 months ago

What kind of contract do you think he’d get at age 30?

JTrea81
3 years 8 months ago

He might get a 4/80 deal.  Probably more like 3/60 with a vesting option or two.  GMs are going to think about what happened to Mo Vaughn among others.

cacavolante
3 years 8 months ago

those gm’s should think about that now. im sympathetic to your point of view- im sick of losing and i know you want him on the o’s. and i wont complain if we get him (but i still dont think its the best idea)…

Guest
3 years 8 months ago

and you should know….albert belle comes to mind which blows me out  of the water why angelos would want to do it

3 years 8 months ago

Pujols proves that a GM will give an old guy a stupid contract!  The Yankees claim they have learned the Red Sox claim the same thing I think the Angels are going to kick themselves for theirs and the Nationals will also learn.

joeybw
3 years 8 months ago

I’m a Rays fan and this has nothing to do with my team but as a baseball fan, I want Prince to go back to Milwaukee. I want some of these guys to start staying with the teams that drafted them.

allstev
3 years 8 months ago

Curt Flood just did a couple of rolls.

Vmmercan
3 years 8 months ago

Why?

rikersbeard
3 years 8 months ago

I wonder that sometimes too. Why is it that we think it is so praiseworthy when a player sticks with one franchise? I’m not sure I understand the “loyalty” argument. Sometimes I think it is just a cheap PR move.

start_wearing_purple
start_wearing_purple
3 years 8 months ago

Part of it is an old school thing and part of it people follow baseball teams for years and in some cases generations. At heart I think a lot of hardcore loyalist fans would prefer some consistency in their teams, especially if they are winning teams.

As a Red Sox fan I found comfort over the years in watching Varitek stick around behind the plate every year, and yes I’m aware Tek wasn’t drafted by the Sox but he only played for the Sox in the majors.

Vmmercan
3 years 8 months ago

I get that…But is it really that strong of an emotion when you know the other guy doesn’t want to go back there? Prince Fielder clearly, under the present circumstances, doesn’t want to return.

I’m a Yankees’ fan, so take cheap shots if you want, but if Derek Jeter said tomorrow “I don’t want to come back next year”….And even if he said this in say, 1999, I would want him gone. Period.

It’s just a strange concept to me to demand someone stay in one place with their career. If I’m at a company and I either don’t like where I live, where my family is in proximity or feel I can make more money at another company, I would be furious if relatives got mad at me for wanting to move. I wouldn’t expect anyone to demand that I stay, that seems so silly in the larger picture.

start_wearing_purple
start_wearing_purple
3 years 8 months ago

It was a long day so I can only think of cheap shots right now and I like my Red Sox/yankee insult banter to be intellectual so I can’t think of anything good right now. Remind me and I’ll try again another time.

I do agree overall with what you’re saying. I would have been happy with Papelbon but his interview in Philly suggested he had one foot out the door the moment the season ended which kinda makes me happy he’s gone. I’ll remember the good memories of him but still happy he’s somewhere else. Though I don’t think it’s a matter of Fielder not wanting to return more than he realizes the Brewers could never pay him what he could get elsewhere which to me makes it more business than personal.

I also agree with your analogy. It is kinda funny staying with one place to work for a long stretch of time. The work I do pays best as a freelance “consultant” so I have a tendency to lately change employers often. The strange thing is if I took a more permanent offer I’d make far less. It’s interesting way to look at the issue, thanks for bringing it up.

rikersbeard
3 years 8 months ago

This conversation was sort of what I was thinking. I understand why fans want players to stick around. It is fun building that sort of bond with players. However, I think it is unfair when fans get mad at players for wanting to move onto another organization.  Appreciate the ones who stay, let the others go.

Marktown
3 years 8 months ago

That’s where a salary cap comes into play.

Red_Line_9
3 years 8 months ago

The idea of a franchise player and “branding” might have some validity, but it can also backfire if that the franchise player spends the latter part of the contract creating bad PR because he’s bogging down the team payroll and creating fan hostility by his subpar performance…i.e. Alfonso Soriano…etc.

joeybw
3 years 8 months ago

A “franchise” player to me is drafting a guy and him playing his whole career with that one team. I wanted Pujols to resign with the Cardinals for the same reason that I want Prince to go back to Milwaukee.

I don’t see it as a franchise player when you talk about guys like Soriano, Crawford, Sabathia, A-Rod, etc who play a few years with the team that drafted them and then signing long term with some other team.

Red_Line_9
3 years 8 months ago

Your point is the direct counterpoint to Scott Bora’s view.  It’s the idea that a player such as Pujols will continue to be a franchise player for another organization…even if that organization gets little impact from a players former glory years.  It’s actually an insult to the fanbase.  Fans actually care about winning first and foremost.  A team wins and whatever players are on that team BECOME stars.  5 years from now it won’t matter to Angels fans if Pujols is hitting .260 as a DH and the team isn’t winning.  They won’t care that the Cardinals got two rings while he was with them.

Jon Melton
3 years 8 months ago

Puljos has 3 to 4 prime years left at MOST,  hes got allot of miles on him LA will regret that signing not even halfway thru it.  Boras is a bottom  feeder but thats his job to get the most from teams for his clients,  so hard to blame him.

3 years 8 months ago

Oh no, 3-4 years of .328/.420/.617 with 42 HR and 126 RBI, and then the dreaded “DECLINE”! 

I’m sure the Angels will regret it when Pujols’ stat line declines to .300/.390/.550 with a pedestrian 30HR/100RBI…

You’re either a bitter Cardinals fan or a disgruntled Rangers fan. 

3 years 8 months ago

remember when a-rod was supposed to be awesome throughout his late 30’s? woops

Jon Melton
3 years 8 months ago

You must be angels fan to hope for 3 to 4 years on 10 year contract

Red_Line_9
3 years 8 months ago

I tend to think that the Angels are banking on Pujols over-producing on his contract in the early years and creating extra value early.  There’s something to be said for a player of Pujols status and the extraneous revenue they can create.  It’s hard to lock his contract strictly into on-field production.  I’m guessing that Pujols is used to drive the cable revenue and expand the latin market in SoCal.

Ronlacroix
3 years 8 months ago

It’s never the same. I can’t believe Pujols took the Angels deal, honestly. I mean….what’s a few million when you’re pulling in 250 big ones? That’s more important than finishing your career in the town you’ve always played in? What a bum!

Red_Line_9
3 years 8 months ago

There were multiple things going on with Pujols and the Cardinals.  In a way, I’m glad he let them off the hook.  I’d actually give them credit for not tieing up so much payroll in one player.  The Cards obviously got the best years of Pujols career.  In fact, clearing Pujols off the books might make the Cardinals even better if they invest wisely.

Guest
3 years 8 months ago

Boras’ branding argument is laughable at best.  I wonder if he’s dumb enough to buy into his own BS.

I’d be interested to see if in Boras’ promo book on Fielder whether he mentions Prince’s chiseled physique in comparison to the other legends at 28.

3 years 8 months ago

hes just big boned

Ronlacroix
3 years 8 months ago

Yea….like which GM would actually take the time to read that baloney, anyway. They all know about Fielder – the issue is ‘willing to pay how much’ and nothing else!

Ronlacroix
3 years 8 months ago

offers he likes??? How about offers, full stop! Reduce those outlandish demands and teams will start offering.

optionn
3 years 8 months ago

He is not getting anything less than 7 years.  These folks thinking 3 years are out of their mind.  Maybe a 3 year opt-out which gives him the best of both worlds.

joeybw
3 years 8 months ago

I will not be surprised if the 3 years rumor was released by Scott Boras to get more teams to call and when they call, he tries to see if he keeps them interested after telling them it will be at least 6 years to get him.

harmony55
3 years 8 months ago

Please read the tweet: General managers reportedly leaked the idea of a three-year deal.

joeybw
3 years 8 months ago

Pujols was reportedly a Marlin then a Cardinal until of course he became an Angel.

joeybw
3 years 8 months ago

I will not be surprised if the 3 years rumor was released by Scott Boras to get more teams to call and when they call, he tries to see if he keeps them interested after telling them it will be at least 6 years to get him.

3 years 8 months ago

However, what teams could really use a first baseman that don’t already have one ensconced at that position, and could meet the demands of Boras?

hallwagner
3 years 8 months ago

unless it was 3 years 300 million…lmao

Ronlacroix
3 years 8 months ago

Agreed. And I don’t think any smart GM thinks that either.