Reds, Cubs Close On Swapping Wood, Marshall

11:52pm: The deal is close, a source tells Bruce Levine of ESPNChicago.com, and it includes the Cubs receiving two minor leaguers along with Wood.  Rosenthal and Morosi say the trade discussions are in the advanced stages.    

9:12pm: The Reds and Cubs are discussing a trade that would involve starter Travis Wood going to Chicago in exchange for reliever Sean Marshall, Major League sources tell Ken Rosenthal and Jon Paul Morosi of FOXSports.com. It's not known whether other players would be included in the potential swap, according to the report.

After acquiring Mat Latos in a trade with the Padres last week, Reds GM Walt Jocketty suggested he'd like to focus on bolstering his bullpen. Cincinnati is without a nominal closer as of now – incumbent Francisco Cordero remains on the free agent market - so perhaps Marshall, who has settled in as an effective late-inning reliever for the Cubs the past couple seasons, could man that role for the Reds.

Wood, meanwhile, is a player Cubs president Theo Epstein liked last season when Epstein was still with the Red Sox, the sources tell FOXSports. In just about one full season of work – 35 starts, 208 innings over two seasons – at the Major League level, Wood has posted 6.99 K/9, 2.85 BB/9 and a tendency to produce fly balls (31.4% GB rate).

Despite being only 24 and under team control for five more years, Wood has perhaps become expendable with the Reds now having six other starters in Latos, Johnny Cueto, Mike Leake, Homer Bailey, Bronson Arroyo and Aroldis Chapman.

Marshall will earn $3.1MM in 2012 and is slated to become a free agent at season's end. He'll turn 30 in August.


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276 Comments on "Reds, Cubs Close On Swapping Wood, Marshall"


Taylor Haberle
3 years 8 months ago

do i care?

Tyler
3 years 8 months ago

You must care just a little if you took the time to comment on this post. haha

chico65
3 years 8 months ago

I’ve scanned the entire first page of comments and I didn’t see a single joke about the Reds and Cubs swapping Wood.  I guess the holidays have everyone in a serious mood.

Josh Gedert
3 years 8 months ago

Nobody really cares if you care.

CAD_Monkey
3 years 8 months ago

You’re such a rebel, Taylor.

Taylor Haberle
3 years 8 months ago

Well Wood is mediocre and Marshall plays for the sad sad Cubs. Do I need to say more? 

Josh Gedert
3 years 8 months ago

I wonder what you thought of the Badenhop for Jefferies swap then..

3 years 8 months ago

We would prefer that you didn’t

John McFadin
3 years 8 months ago

You probably shouldn’t say anything at all.

JacksTigers
3 years 8 months ago

I think you’ve said enough.

John McFadin
3 years 8 months ago

Says the guy who congratulated Matt Antonelli for being signed……..mediocre much?

3 years 8 months ago

John, who is the girl in your pic?

John McFadin
3 years 8 months ago

You were almost funny….almost.  Although you should probably be brave enough to show your picture before you try to rag on somebody else.

CaseyBlakeDeWitt
3 years 8 months ago

Putting a picture of yourself on here is not “brave.” That is an unnecessary risk which proves nothing. I don’t particularly want people on here, whom I’ve never met, to know who I am, or what I look like.

notsureifsrs
3 years 8 months ago

that isn’t a picture of you? fraud

i’m the guy on the left

John McFadin
3 years 8 months ago

I’m not really sure why it matters.  Gives easy ammunition to people who you then learn to disregard any other comments.  You afraid of identity theft?

NYBravosFan10
3 years 8 months ago

it’s not that he’s not brave it’s just that most pics of his namesake probably wouldn’t be allowed

MannyBeingMVP
3 years 8 months ago

Well I think this was a great deal for the Cubs.  They get a very young No. 5 starter for the next several years.  They give up an excellent set-up man, but one who becomes a free agent in a single year.

3 years 8 months ago

This is an awful trade for the Reds. Almost laughable, I’m sure this won’t go through.  5 years of Wood, 2 minor league players, for a set up man and 1 more year? Not to mention the Reds take on 3 Million dollars when they can have Wood for league minimum until 2014?    The Reds should go sign Mike Gonzalez for the same amount of money and keep Wood.  Bill Bray has done excellent for the Reds, and unless he’s being offered the closer’s job then he can also be our left handed set up man.  This makes no sense at all, something is not right.  There has to be more too this, or a 3rd team involved or something.

cardswho
3 years 8 months ago

You obviously don’t know baseball. If this trade was done straight up, it would be a bad trade for the cubs. Ever hear of signing an extension? You are putting to much into team control. Marshall is more valuable to a team than wood.

3 years 8 months ago

LOL. Team control is very important when discussing trades. It is a bad deal for the Reds because there are plenty of options out there on Free Agency that can be had at a similar or cheaper price.  This way, the Reds get to keep Wood, and the other 2 players.  Marshall is very good, but I’m not giving a young starting pitcher (was a hair away from a perfect game against the Phillies on his first major league start, followed by an 8 inning start right after) to a Rival team plus 2 minor leaguers for a guy we hold on to for only a year.  Bray can and has gotten the job done.  Reds should go out and sign Gonzalez, Rodney, or MacDougal before making this trade.

3 years 8 months ago

The Reds would not sign Marshall to an extension because then they would get 1, maybe 2 draft picks for letting him walk.  Maybe, that’s why the Reds are looking to make this trade.  But this rumor still doesn’t add up right.  Reds will be left rushing Corcino or Chapman (before he’s ready to start) if anybody gets hurt. 

If I were the Cubs, I’d hold on to Marshall as well, just for the picks.  They have an awful farm system.

DK8
3 years 8 months ago

Under the new CBA, you have to offer arb to get draft picks, and offering arb means potentially paying a 1 year salary equal to the average of the top 120 players in the game, which is 12 million this year.  There is absolutely no way the Cubs would ever offer arbitration to Marshall if the price was 12 million for 1 year.  Therefore, the Cubs will not get any draft picks for letting Marshall walk next year.

Jay McCollum
3 years 8 months ago

Wood’s MLB debut was against the Cubs on July 1, 2010…but yea…not a fan of this deal…at all!

Joe
3 years 8 months ago

You beat me to the correction. People always think it was his first start. it was like his 6th start if i remember right.

Joey E
3 years 8 months ago

I feel like the Cubs could get a better return for Marshall, especially from a division rival. Maybe I’m wrong.

Tarun Bhan
3 years 8 months ago

why would you be able to get more of a return from a division rival?

John McFadin
3 years 8 months ago

Because it should cost the team wanting Marshall more to convince the Cubs to trade him in-division.  Very common thing.

3 years 8 months ago

Absolutely, Marshall is possibly the best lefty reliever in baseball right now…

WrigleyTerror37
3 years 8 months ago

as a cubs fan i say Top 2 because J.Venters gives him a run for his money.

edit: spelling error

iron_matt
3 years 8 months ago

Johnny Venters says hi

Edit: Someone beat me to it.

Phillies_Aces35
3 years 8 months ago

He said possibly. But Venters is better no doubt.

notsureifsrs
3 years 8 months ago

i prefer venters, but there’s plenty of room for doubt.  marshall has venters beat by 20% in FIP over the last 2 years and has a better SIERA too

venters is a guy who breaks the mold, though, with a combination of 10 K/9 stuff and a 70% groundball rate. just stupid good peripherals

still, marshall is elite and i’d be aiming higher than travis wood

Phillies_Aces35
3 years 8 months ago

Maybe I just think that because I see him make Utley and Howard silly close to 18 times a year and have nightmares of facing him and Kimbrel.

I agree, it’s not the slam dunk I made it out to be.

cardswho
3 years 8 months ago

Maybe package him for a gio Gonzalez, but definitely not Travis Wood. Theo and Jed are not dumb enough to trade Marshall straight up for wood.

BDLugz
3 years 8 months ago

I’ll take the guy with a similar K rate, half the BB rate, and a lower HR rate… Venters is a great reliever, but he’s still not as good as Marshall IMO.  Look at Marshall’s 2011, he’s dominant, and that’s with an unlucky BABIP of .313.

notsureifsrs
3 years 8 months ago

venters breaks the mold, though. he strikes out 10 per 9 while getting a 70% groundball rate. you worry way less about the walks when there’s a 3 in 4 chance any ball in play will be a DP opportunity

the two have nearly identical HR rates over the past 2 seasons. venters actually gives up less hard contact (14% line-drive rate to 20% for marshall) while striking out just as many and, again, making just about everybody else hit the ball on the ground

they are also tied in total meltdowns despite venters pitching in more games and having 12 more shutdowns

Lunchbox45
3 years 8 months ago

lol 70%

xcal1br
3 years 8 months ago

Don’t forget that Marshall was on a much worse team than Venters last season.  Just sayin’.  :(

Van Wilhoite
3 years 8 months ago

.313 for a BABIP isn’t really unlucky. The whole Cubs staff had a .307 BABIP.

0bsessions
3 years 8 months ago

More to do with an awful defense than anything.

Jay King
3 years 8 months ago

Well to be honest he won’t have to worry about a bad defense in Cincy.

dylanp5030
3 years 8 months ago

Can’t we (the Phillies) do Kendrick for Marshall instead? haha

3 years 8 months ago

Don’t do it Cubs!   Not a sound return at all in my opinion.

cubs223425
3 years 8 months ago

Pass.

3 years 8 months ago

Again, these are just rumors and all but Wood for Marshall?? Come on!! Marshall’s worth more than just a pitcher. Theo would be stupid by trading one of our best relievers also one of the best last two years.

3 years 8 months ago

STUPID MOVE CUBS

bobbybaseball
3 years 8 months ago

This does not sound good for the Cubs.

3 years 8 months ago

What ever does?

3 years 8 months ago

Good point

notsureifsrs
3 years 8 months ago

“jim hendry has been fired”

3 years 8 months ago

Again, this is just a rumor and all but Wood for Marshall?? Come on, that’s a joke. Marshall’s worth more than just an ok pitcher. Theo would be dumb by trading one of the best left-handed relievers last two years, come on Theo. Not buying this at all, this got to be a joke.

3 years 8 months ago

Buddy- Wood is a prize. Marshall is excellent- given- but one year vs 4 is steal for the cubs.

cubs223425
3 years 8 months ago

1.8-WAR, 33-year-old Mike Adams brought the Padres Erlin and Weiland for only half a season of use. Why wouldn’t 2.8-WAR, 28-year-old Sean Marshall be worth at least one player with the ceiling of either guy?

Reference: Sickels rated both Erlin and Weiland as B+ prospects, #4 and #5 in the SD farm (forget who was #4 and who was #5). Wood was rated as a C+ prospect Sickels said was likely a #4/5, and just put up a 4.61 xFIP and 4.00+ FIP.

Oh, and Wood had a 1.1 WAR.

jb226
3 years 8 months ago

Adams was not a half season of use; he is still under team control for this year.

But yes, I would be disappointed if the trade was Marshall for Wood straight up.

cardswho
3 years 8 months ago

You are talking like they couldn’t sign him to an extension.

3 years 8 months ago

Ugh. Let’s throw in Garza fr Paul Janish while we’re at it.

Jordan King
3 years 8 months ago

We’ll take it!

WrigleyTerror37
3 years 8 months ago

NO NO NO NO!!!!!!!!!!!! KEEP MARSHALL!!!!! TRADE MARMOL, JUST KEEP MARSHALL!
Come on Theo you gotta have some players that people like so they will go to games!

3 years 8 months ago

Many will disagree with me on this but I think Marmol will have a bounce back next year, I still like Marmol despite having the worst season of his career. TRADE JAMES RUSSELL!!

WrigleyTerror37
3 years 8 months ago

very true, but 2 things who would u rather see gone, if you had to trade one. Marshall or marmol? you know how i feel.
and 2 i feel that wood and Russell are almost the same player. except wood has more starting experience.

3 years 8 months ago

Who would I trade Marshall or Marmol? I like both but as i said I just feel Marmol will have a bounce back and be the Marmol of 10′ next year BUT if he struggles then MAYBE cubs should consider trading him during trade deadline.

imachainsaw
3 years 8 months ago

Russell is a GREAT lefty specialist, I know a glance at his season stats look ugly, but look at his splits from the time he spent in the pen, and he’s marshall II. and it’s not dumb luck, russell has a really nice slider, that works great against lefties. he’s just not suitable for starting.

0bsessions
3 years 8 months ago

The Cubs were a top ten team in attendance last season despite being completely awful. They had better attendance figures than four of last year’s playoff teams (Rays, Rangers, D’backs and Tigers) and were within spitting distance of two more (Brewers and Cards).

As long as Wrigley is still standing, people will still go to Cubs games, regardless of who they put on the field. Epstein absolutely should go into full fledged rebuild mode as he’s in the unique position of not having to worry about keeping up attendance through a quick rebuild like most other teams. He could basically gut the system without hurting the bottom line.

Whether one thinks this is a good or bad deal for Marshall is another matter entirely, but Marshall is the first guy they SHOULD trade. He’s one of their two best players, but there’s no way they’ll be competitive by the time he’s a free agent. Garza’s at least got an outside shot of being around (Far outside and I’d absolutely trade him too, but there is an admitted outside shot).

3 years 8 months ago

no way this is true, no way the Cubs trade Marshall to the Reds for nothing pretty much. No way this happens

3 years 8 months ago

Nothing? Do research before you post.

3 years 8 months ago

you know what i mean, Wood straight up for Marshall is nothing, forsure since the Reds are in the division.

cubs223425
3 years 8 months ago

You’re right. Wood had a 1.1 WAR, 4.86 ERA, 4.06 FIP, 4.61 xFIP, 6.45 K/9, and 3.40 BB/9.

What an AWESOME pile of garbage.

3 years 8 months ago

You stat guys are great.  Can nobody improve once they set foot in the majors?  Pay attention to this kid before you bash him and label him garbage.  Wood has POTENTIAL to develop into a much better pitcher than he is now.  That’s why Theo is paid millions because he can see this.

cubs223425
3 years 8 months ago

Yeah, Wood CAN get better. Marshall IS better. Marshall is proven as one of the best left-handed relivers in all of baseball. Wood regressed MAJORLY this season, similar to Randy Wells from 2009 to 2010 (and look where he is now).

You “not stats,” guys are even better. You love a guy despite his shortcomings and think that potential is an assured commodity worth more than proven MLB production, regardless of what numbers say.

John Sickels rated Wood as a C+ prospect before his 2010 debut, saying he is likely a #4/5 starter. Wood showed himself as a #4/5 starter. The Cubs have plenty of #4/5 starter options, but few quality RPs.

3 years 8 months ago

If this trade goes down, Wood will become your #3 guy in 2 years max.  Because Wood has one bad year after an decent first year must mean he sucks?  The Cubs aren’t winning anything anytime in the next couple years.  A RP is worthless to you.  You need a core first and Wood would instantly help that core.  Theo must see something in Wood that you don’t.  He wanted him in Boston and he wants him now.  Seems like he would agree with me in this one.

cubs223425
3 years 8 months ago

You’re using extremely flawed logic here.

Ok, we’ll call Wood the Cubs’ #3 if this trade happens. So what? He’s a #3 on a TERRIBLE team. Being a #3 on the 5th-place (in their own division) is not the same as being the #3 on the Philadelphia team of aces.

In a world where Matt Capps gets you Wilsonj Ramos and Mike Adams gets you Erland AND Weiland, I want more than the #3 on a cellar-dwelling joke of a team.

If the Cubs are competitive while Wood is on their team, it won’t be with him as the #3.

Jay McCollum
3 years 8 months ago

a cubs fan calling the Reds a cellar-dwelling joke of a team…..that is just laughable!  

BillB325
3 years 8 months ago

It is, as a Cubs fan I hope the Reds win, and I don’t understand why everyone is freaking out. There might be a couple of minor leaguers coming our way who know maybe Frazier? The point is we are getting more than just Wood back.

Jay McCollum
3 years 8 months ago

if it is Frazier, that is a VAST over pay…should not be any top 10 Reds Prospects involved…

Joe
3 years 8 months ago

I heard “Low tier” prospects from John Fay. 

cubs223425
3 years 8 months ago

I was talking about the Cubs…reading skills–you haz tham.

3 years 8 months ago

Oh and Sean Marshall is more than a Setup Man- that’s just the role he was in for the Cubs. I personally think he would have been a better starter than James Russell and the 6 other failures that the Cubs ran out last year…but that’s just me. I say trade Marmol, I could see netting a player like Wood for him, and make either Cashner or Marshall your closer, with the other one heading back to the rotation.

3 years 8 months ago

the cubs should consider themselves lucky if they get more than a bag of balls for marmol

3 years 8 months ago

Marmol’s not THAT bad. But yeah, Wood would be a lot for Marmol.

3 years 8 months ago

I rather trade James Russell than Marmol, that’s a guy you should be talking about. Forget Marmol as I said I still like Marmol and i think he’ll have bounce back season next year if not trade him during trade deadline. TRADE RUSSELL for anybody!!

3 years 8 months ago

russell was really freakin’ good when he was in the bullpen

3 years 8 months ago

Are you thinking of Jeff Russell?

3 years 8 months ago

I’ll admit he did good in the bullpen but i still don’t really, idk “trust” him.

3 years 8 months ago

you don’t trust russell but you trust marmol?

3 years 8 months ago

Actually I do, it’ll possibly get messy but somehow he gets out of it (didn’t do that a lot this season though). I love his stuff WHEN it’s working, his slider is filthy when it’s right.

imachainsaw
3 years 8 months ago

cashner is a starter. <—that's a period

garylanglais
3 years 8 months ago

I thought the reports the Cubs were shopping Marshall were just reporters naming names.  Outside of Venters, Marshall has been the best LH RP in baseball over the past 2 years.  Guess the fact he’s a FA after this season, and his value is this high is making Theo consider pulling the trigger.  Gotta think they can find something better then Wood though

3 years 8 months ago

I’m sure there would be a couple pieces more going the Cubs way.

However, Wood is a good, high-ceiling pitcher. It wouldn’t be as horrible for the Cubs as people are saying. I realize that Marshall is a top reliever, but you gotta jump when young starters are involved IMO.

vtadave
3 years 8 months ago

What is it about Wood that makes you think he’s a high-ceiling pitcher? It certainly isn’t his height.

It’s not his velocity.It’s not his groundball rate.

Very low upside IMO.

3 years 8 months ago

I can see him as a number 3-4. That’s high-ceiling enough.

vtadave
3 years 8 months ago

Fair enough.  When I think of “high-ceiling”, I think #1/#2 starter.

3 years 8 months ago

‘high-ceiling’ to me (for a pitcher) is 1-4 in the rotation and a set-up or closer. Low ceiling would be 5 spot, long reliever, and middle reliever. Just my idea of it.

Chris Knepley
3 years 8 months ago

A 3-4 starter for the Cubs is essentially a 1-2, last time i checked their rotation was lead by Ryan Dempster and Carlos Zambrano

Lunchbox45
3 years 8 months ago

You should check again

Chris Knepley
3 years 8 months ago

Garza has one foot out the door hoping to pitch for an actual team and not a collection of headcases, has beens, and never was’s 

Lunchbox45
3 years 8 months ago

Oh

WrigleyTerror37
3 years 8 months ago

Garza chimes in here…

3 years 8 months ago

Young pitchers are also high risk- sometimes they are only good for 2-4 years, and if they are consistently better than that, they get too expensive.  Hypothetically we could be trading Wood just as the Cubs become competitive because a. he becomes too expensive or b. he doesn’t pan out.

3 years 8 months ago

You got it wrong- The Reds would get more outta this deal- salary at least- 4 years for 1? Marshall is impressive- and wood did regress a bit last year- but he also went toe to toe with Roy Halladay and almost threw a no hitter against the Phillies- one hit them, and lost in the 9th I think. Had a very impressive welcome to the majors. Sorry- but you’re crazy if you think the Cubs would be getting the raw deal here.

TophersReds
3 years 8 months ago

*Almost threw a perfect game, gave up a double with 0 outs in the 9th in a 0-0 game, and finished the inning without allowing the runner to score. Sorry I had to correct and micromanage, it’s just I saw the video a few days ago when I was bored.

WrigleyTerror37
3 years 8 months ago

Guy no need to worries this isnt going to happen, I just noticed Ken Rosenthal wrote this…

3 years 8 months ago

Interesting that the early sentiment here seems to favor the Reds’ end of this potential swap.  I know Wood is pretty much a No. 4 starter, but four years of him vs. one year of Marshall is the key here, especially after seeing reliever salaries get so bloated this offseason.

3 years 8 months ago

That’s what I’m sayin!

3 years 8 months ago

Marshall is impressive- but one year for four years of wood isn’t equitable- the Reds better get more than just Marshall.

3 years 8 months ago

I love how a ton of Cubs fans were so excited to get Theo.  Now, all of our good players, expect Castro, are rumored to be going bye bye.  And we got Ian Stewart, a .156 hitter.  In Colorado.  Things are looking up!

Phillies_Aces35
3 years 8 months ago

How’d you think he was going to rebuild the team? By sprinkling pixie dust? It’s a long process that’s just starting.

I’m not one of those “Theo Epstein walks on water” guys but I think he’s going about this the right way.

Lunchbox45
3 years 8 months ago

Can’t believe he didn’t win the world series yet! gosh

3 years 8 months ago

Nice try, Jim Hendry….

jb226
3 years 8 months ago

This is EXACTLY what Theo should be doing.  The only question is the return.

JuanValdezz
3 years 8 months ago

Why would the Cubs trade with a team above them in the standings?  

BDLugz
3 years 8 months ago

If we only trade with teams below them in the standings, we’d have a pretty limiting trade group.