East Notes: Red Sox, Maddon, Wright, Orioles

We know it's been quite the busy day for New York baseball, but let's see what else is happening in both the AL and NL East…


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elscorcho the marlin
3 years 7 months ago

much rather have garza at this point, but oswalt is a bargain. 

diesel2410
3 years 7 months ago

Maddon going Clark W. Griswold I guess

Bleed_Orange
3 years 7 months ago

Well out of all the free agents listed by the Baltimore Sun I would really like the O’s to go after Solar, I think he fits the long term plan better and would cost alot less than Cespedes.

3 years 7 months ago

I’d think Soler is going to be out of their price range.

Snoochies8
3 years 7 months ago

fingers crossed that he’s not out of the a’s price range

3 years 7 months ago

Ummm…he’ll go for more than IOUs. 

bravesdude
3 years 7 months ago

Ok . Wren says that he doesn’t see a trade happening until spring training . But then says that he is still trying . Something tells me he is targeting something big . Who knows .

3 years 7 months ago

I think you’re reading that incorrectly. I read that as though once spring training begins, he won’t be trading anyone until just before the trade deadline in July. 

That way you’re getting a half-season’s use of the player (Prado/Jurrjens) and could be driving their trade stock up higher.

Latos/Gonzalez/Pineda are all better options for teams, so I really don’t think teams are desperate enough right now to want to overpay for Jurrjens. When you hear that some teams are looking at Garza, thinking about paying the king’s ransom, then you’ll know it’s time. Garza might be more attractive to some teams, but he really shouldn’t be. 

5_tool_MiLB_fool
3 years 7 months ago

the red sox need to trade for garza AND sign oswalt to get even. 

bomberj11
3 years 7 months ago

I just hope the Red Sox don’t make an impulse decision. If we preserve our future (not trading for Garza) or save our funds for future acquisitions (not signing Oswalt) but we have a “meh” season, I’d be okay with that. Honestly the roster as it is now is talented and they could make a run with that roster.

MaineSox
3 years 7 months ago

I don’t see any reason not to sign Oswalt (unless his medicals are really bad), it’s not like they don’t have the money to sign him and still make moves at the deadline if they wanted to.  The idea for them is to get under the luxury tax (likely) for 2013, so signing Oswalt for one year has absolutely zero effect on that.  I agree about not trading for Garza, I just don’t see any reason not to sign Oswalt at this point.

A Rotation of Lester, Beckett, Buchholz, Oswalt, Bard/Aceves/whoever looks a whole lot better than a rotation of Lester, Beckett, Buccholz, whoever, whoever.  Piecing together one rotation spot is doable; two is unnecessarily risky.

johnsilver
3 years 7 months ago

I am jacked up now on them getting Padilla **if** he actually is hitting 95 again fairly consistent, then they had BETTER as you suggested counter Kuroda with Oswalt, then can move Bard back to the pen in a perfect world.

That leaves them with 1 shut down pen of Bard, Bailey, Melancon, Albers, Acebes and WOW.. a pen I have never, ever seen in all my years following this team with jenks even maybe showing up later on..

PWNdroia
3 years 7 months ago

Padilla will end up with an ERA around 5.00 or 6.oo like he did with Texas.  Not my cup of tea.

3 years 7 months ago

You’re getting excited about that bullpen? Bard will be moved to the rotation. Bailey with his 3.24 ERA in that park and division will go up to 3.75 as a closer. Melancon is alright, and Albers is nobody. Aceves, when healthy, is a very underrated and great piece to any team’s bullpen.

bglaszcz
3 years 7 months ago

Well if you’re just going to assume he’s going to copy past performances, I’m going to pull his 1.47 ERA from 2 years ago when he wasn’t hurt. I’ll be happy with a 1.97 ERA.

MaineSox
3 years 7 months ago

I was hesitant about it at first, but now I actually really want to see what Bard can do as a starter.  I’d prefer they sign Oswalt and give Bard a shot in the rotation and use the other guys as back-up in case Bard doesn’t work out; Bard definitely has more upside than any of the other options.

flickadave
3 years 7 months ago

There is absolutely no way Bard could go a whole season as a starter. His arm would explode going from pitching 70 innings a year to 200+ innings. However, If they signed Oswalt, the Sox could use Bard as a starter part of the year and Aceves as a starter part of the year and not have to scramble for another starter when Bard gets near his inning cap for the season. That sounds like a pretty nice situation to be in, rotation wise.

MaineSox
3 years 7 months ago

He doesn’t need to pitch 200+ innings to be a starter all year.  They can use off days to skip him, they can give other guys spot starts here and there to skip him, they can limit him to 5-6 innings per start, etc.  If they can get 150-160 innings out of him (not at all unheard of), they can get through an entire season on that.  Particularly out of the #5 pitcher.

PWNdroia
3 years 7 months ago

Rays and Yankees are both better IMO

michael hughes
3 years 7 months ago

Man, Frank Wren that has got to be the most fatalistic quote from a GM I have ever heard.

3 years 7 months ago

I picture that quote coming from him in pieces over an hour and a half while he’s nursing his last scotch and soda.

3 years 7 months ago

If the Orioles are going to gamble, why not call up Sandy Alderson to see if David Wright is available and if Johan Santana is as well (if healthy)? The Oriole rumors have been nothing short of lame! Some examples:

1.) Alfonso Soriano
2.) Manny Ramirez
3.) Aramis Ramirez
4.) Johnny Damon
5.) Any trade involving the Braves
6.) Dan Duquette’s affinty for any remaining “Boxcar Willie” out there!

flickadave
3 years 7 months ago

I think that the Duke has been spending a lot of time building up the front office. He is smart enough to know that without a good front office in place, the O’s will never be contenders.

3 years 7 months ago

Kuroda and Pineda locked up with the Yankees for next year really kill the Sox’s chances of making the playoffs. They looked like they may have before this happened, but they are now the third (maybe even the fourth, depending on Buchholz’s health) team in that division. I can’t imagine them signing Cook and Padilla. They HAVE to go after Oswalt at least.

Jim McGrath
3 years 7 months ago

You have to give it to the Yankees:
1. They value Prospects as just that Prospects.
2. They have the two pitching Prospects sitting in AAA to trade for Garza; exactly 
     what Theo wants for Garza.

Personally I don’t think the Sox need to over-react–but I would make it known the one guy that may bring them something–Ellsbury, may be available. 
Make it known throught the pundits he’s available and move him to the team that’s most agressive. It may be the Yankees, Rangers, Phillies, Angels, Giants, Nat’s, Marlins, Braves, Tigers, Reds. These teams have a heavy investment in this season.

Other clubs may feel they are a player away. There are only so many spots. In addition Ellsbury is very marketable even for two years.

Good luck Red Sox. This isn’t BenC’s or Tom Werner’s decision–but something needs to be done because I feel they may end up #4 in the East trailing the Yanks, Ray’s and Jay’s.

3 years 7 months ago

The Yankees aren’t trading for Garza, and Banuelos won’t be dealt. They have too many starting pitchers. They need to get rid of two, not add another.

Lars Chunks
3 years 7 months ago

Not that I wanted Kuroda to sign with the Red Sox, but they can’t afford $10M?  Looks like they’re back to being cheap.  I guess Oswalt’s out of the picture, too.

3 years 7 months ago

Red Sox need to save their money this year to land Hamels next year.

3 years 7 months ago

Hamels will be on the Yankees.

MaineSox
3 years 7 months ago

Just like Lee.

The Red Sox have just as much chance to sign Hamels as the Yankees do.  In fact, if the Yankees are serious about getting under the luxury tax by 2014 I would say the Red Sox have a better chance to sign him than the Yankees do.  Even if the Red Sox and Yankees both are trying to get under it, the Red Sox have a lot less salary to cut and would have more flexibility to sign a top free agent pitcher.

3 years 7 months ago

Lefties to Fenway are a nono.

MaineSox
3 years 7 months ago

 Someone needs to tell Lester that he’s supposed to suck then.

Chad Kreuter's Hat
3 years 7 months ago

Garza and Soriano for Dice-K and Crawford.

Chad Kreuter's Hat
3 years 7 months ago

Garza and Soriano for Dice-K and Crawford.

diesel2410
3 years 7 months ago

Lol good joke

strikethree
3 years 7 months ago

I’m sure the Yankees wouldn’t mind taking him back… they can even have Soriano and his contract.

3 years 7 months ago

“You know what you are getting out of Buchholz.”

That is false my friend. 

PWNdroia
3 years 7 months ago

Not gonna happen.  What would we trade for Garza?  I fear we have no chance to get both.  Roy Oswalt is injury prone as well.

Vmmercan
3 years 7 months ago

The five spot is ugly? Hughes, Garcia, Burnett in the five spot is ugly? Not to mention five legitimate prospects in AAA?

3 years 7 months ago

No, it isn’t. Half of the season on the DL!

flickadave
3 years 7 months ago

“Roy Oswalt is injury prone as well”
Are you one of those people that wanted to get rid of Ellsbury last winter because he is “too fragile”? Just because someone gets injured doesn’t make them injury prone.

strikethree
3 years 7 months ago

With injury and health concerns it’s more about the age.

You can’t look at a career overall because you can develop a recurring injury (in this case, Oswalt’s back) in the latter part of a player’s career.

You can take risks with one time minor injuries; but, a recurring injury (or structural damage/weakness) is a major concern.

I don’t claim to be an expert nor do I have his medical records, but the teams sure have them. There has to be a reason why he isn’t being pursued as heavily — especially when he’s only asking for a 1 year deal and with pitching being so expensive this year. Clearly, there is something that looks wrong.

The Yankees even came out and said that his back is messed up. Frankly, that has more weight than looking at a guy’s injury days over his career.

strikethree
3 years 7 months ago

“Injury prone” isn’t the right phrase but there definitely are health concerns.

It’s not about how many times they’ve been injured over their career but whether their latest injury is serious enough. We don’t know if Oswalt is healthy and from everything we’ve heard, it doesn’t look like he is.

I just don’t see how so many teams can pass this opportunity up unless there is something in his records (which we don’t have access to). Why would he be willing to go to a one year deal if his medical records were optimistic?

It’s tough to say: on the one hand, I like Oswalt on a one year deal; on the other hand, it depends on how serious his back injury is. If I remember correctly, he kept trotting out there but missed a couple of starts and was generally very sporadic in his performance when he did play. 

PWNdroia
3 years 7 months ago

Yeah I meant his age actually.

flickadave
3 years 7 months ago

look at Oswalt’s game log from last year. It sure looks like he was OK after he came back. I would take a solid 7 innings every 5 days out of my #4 starter any day.

michael hughes
3 years 7 months ago

You’re exactly right. Oswalt isn’t necessarily what you would call “injury prone” over the course of his career, but he is now towards the end of his career and has very real injury concerns. 

I don’t know how everyone could forget but it was just last year when I was talking about possibly retiring due to chronic back issues. He revealed that “a year or two ago” he had an MRI done that showed he had two degenerative discs and that he has been in constant pain.