Rangers Offering “Dice-K Money” To Darvish

The Rangers are offering "Dice-K money" to Yu Darvish, sources tell Jon Heyman of CBS Sports, and there's no evidence a deal is close.  Daisuke Matsuzaka received a six-year, $52MM deal from the Red Sox about five years ago.  Heyman says it's not clear whether the Rangers' offer to Darvish is for five or six years.  The deadline to work out a deal is January 18th at 4pm central time.  The Rangers won the exclusive right to negotiate with Darvish for $51,703,411, which would be returned to them from the Nippon Ham Fighters if they fail to reach an agreement with Darvish.

In October, I polled five agents and one team executive and most predicted a five or six-year deal in the $72-75MM range for Darvish.


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103 Comments on "Rangers Offering “Dice-K Money” To Darvish"


Tony Matias
3 years 7 months ago

I hope he signs with them. I don’t want to see Texas get Fielder if he doesn’t.

RationalSportsFan
3 years 7 months ago

Dice-K money is unlikely to get it done.  In Japan, Darvish would most likely make ~$18MM total the next two years before he became a true free agent, able to negotiate with all 30 teams.  He would be sacrificing a BUNCH of money by settling for a ~$50MM deal.

0bsessions
3 years 7 months ago

Darvish wouldn’t actually be eligible for full free agency for another two years as I recall and he’s not going to get nearly as much at 27 as he would now.

RationalSportsFan
3 years 7 months ago

I said two years above…

At 27, he is likely to get a 6/100 deal at least.  If he think he can get anywhere near that, then the Rangers will need to offer significantly more for it to make financial sense to play in the US.

0bsessions
3 years 7 months ago

I call shenanigans. Offering $100MM over six years to a 25 year old when half of that money won’t be applied to luxury tax, but I cannot feasibly imagine any MLB team would like up $17MM in luxury tax countable payroll to a pitcher with no major league experience. That’s about a fifth of payroll on a big question mark for most teams. Even Strasburg didn’t get that much of a guarantee and he’s was as close to a sure thing ace as there’s been in years.

RationalSportsFan
3 years 7 months ago

The 6/100 I gave was for two years from now, when he is on the open market (I have little doubt he would get that much if no posting fee were involved).

0bsessions
3 years 7 months ago

I know and I disagree. The big thing for me is that it would all be countable toward the luxury tax and he’d be two years older at that point, meaning two years closer to over the hill. That deal would have him signed through his age 33 season, which would be after an additional two years of pitching a monumental workload in the Japanese system and it would ALL go towards luxury tax calculations. If I’m an MLB team, I’d much sooner spend $100MM now when he’s two years younger and half of it can be written off from the taxable payroll (Something that will potentially take the most likely teams to commit big money like the Yankees, Red Sox, Phillies and Angels who are already close to the threshold or over it out of the mix) than spend that same $100MM two years from now when he’s older, his arm’s been further overloaded by the Japanese system (Something that eventually ended up in TJ surgery by 30 for Matsuzaka) and he’s still just as big of a question mark in regards to his ability to pitch in the majors.

RationalSportsFan
3 years 7 months ago

Sorry, I misunderstood you. 

And I agree that such a deal may be a bad idea for the team giving it.  My point was simply that some team WOULD give him that much money.  So, from Darvish’s perspective, he should prefer to wait (assuming the rangers don’t significantly up their offer).

0bsessions
3 years 7 months ago

It’s not just the wisdom of it I find issue with, I seriously don’t think it’s remotely feasible a team will offer him nine figures. The big guns who are apt to offer a pitcher that kind of money are the Yankees, Red Sox, Angels and Phillies and all four of them will be close to the luxury tax in 2014, meaning none of them is likely to risk going over the luxury tax for a pitcher who has never appeared in the MLB before.

The ONLY team I could picture approaching that figure is the Cubs if they’re closer to contention and they’re a big maybe.

RationalSportsFan
3 years 7 months ago

Sorry, I misunderstood you. 

And I agree that such a deal may be a bad idea for the team giving it.  My point was simply that some team WOULD give him that much money.  So, from Darvish’s perspective, he should prefer to wait (assuming the rangers don’t significantly up their offer).

0bsessions
3 years 7 months ago

I know and I disagree. The big thing for me is that it would all be countable toward the luxury tax and he’d be two years older at that point, meaning two years closer to over the hill. That deal would have him signed through his age 33 season, which would be after an additional two years of pitching a monumental workload in the Japanese system and it would ALL go towards luxury tax calculations. If I’m an MLB team, I’d much sooner spend $100MM now when he’s two years younger and half of it can be written off from the taxable payroll (Something that will potentially take the most likely teams to commit big money like the Yankees, Red Sox, Phillies and Angels who are already close to the threshold or over it out of the mix) than spend that same $100MM two years from now when he’s older, his arm’s been further overloaded by the Japanese system (Something that eventually ended up in TJ surgery by 30 for Matsuzaka) and he’s still just as big of a question mark in regards to his ability to pitch in the majors.

Guest
3 years 7 months ago

If I were the Rangers, I’d low ball Darvish with the hopes he doesn’t accept and the post fee is voided. I think the Rangers would be better off going after fielder, giving him $125mm for 5 years and going after another pitcher via trade. If they do both, great for them, but I do think that Hamilton will start regressing soon, he won’t be in CF 2 years from now, so I guess conversely, he could move to 1st, which is perhaps what the Rangers may already have planned, so my point would be moot. They will need offensive more than the pitching soon.  

3 years 7 months ago

I agree with you on everything but the last sentence.

0bsessions
3 years 7 months ago

Contractually, they can’t just “low-ball” him. Teams are required to negotiate “in good faith.” Offering Matsuzaka-ish money could be considered fair (Considering the posting fee was around the same, setting precedent), but full on low-balling him would raise red flags and potentially get the Rangers in trouble and the Darvish rights may be awarded to the next highest bidder.

Guest
3 years 7 months ago

Fair enough. Wasn’t insinuating they offer him $30mm over 5 years. More like $50mm over 6, which is not in the range Darvish seeks, which would be low, but at the same time done in good faith. 

0bsessions
3 years 7 months ago

Giving that kind of offer would probably be considered fine as they could easily cite precedent of the posting fee being roughly equivalent to Matsuzaka’s posting fee and the impression from there is that if the posting fee was enough to top Matsuzaka’s, only slightly topping Matsuzaka’s contract should be a valid offer.

Casor_Greener
3 years 7 months ago

Not going to happen. MLB isn’t going after one of it’s own for such simple b.s.

Rangersfan32
3 years 7 months ago

Texas has the #2 offense in the league. I think they’re good there. So I’d rather focus on improving the pitching. As for Hamilton, he’s already been moved to LF, so I don’t see your point.

notsureifsrs
3 years 7 months ago

hamilton and napoli are gone next year; kinsler and cruz the year after that

whether by extension or replacement, the offense will need to be addressed

Guest
3 years 7 months ago

…exactly what I was thinking and trying to say, but your comment just made more sense. 

Rangersfan32
3 years 7 months ago

So you’re assuming that JD let’s all four walk and doesnt sign or replace any of them? Not gonna happen. Cruz will likely be gone, Hamilton too if JD is concerned about injuries (which he doesn’t seem to be with Hamilton). At the point when Cruz leaves, Profar could be ready and it’s not too far fetched to think Kinsler could make a Soriano type move to the outfield with his speed and glove. You could also move Moreland permanently back to his RF position to replace Cruz and put a guy like Olt at 1B. Texas will be losing both catchers this next offseason but they’ll likely either extend Napoli or sign another top catcher in FA. Our offense will be fine.

notsureifsrs
3 years 7 months ago

how did you even

extending them would be addressing the offense, which is what i just said they’ll need to do

Rangersfan32
3 years 7 months ago

I got the impression Century thought we would need to address our offense outside of extending out core. Which is what I disagree with here. But I do agree we need to extend players. I’ve been calling for extension for these guys (not Cruz) since World Series ended. But in terms of using any money outside of extensions, I’d rather address pitching.

3 years 7 months ago

I’d like to use Cruz as a trade chip after this season.

Rangersfan32
3 years 7 months ago

That’d be nice, but given his injur history, age and the fact that he’d only have one more year, I find it hard to see us getting too much for him. But if Salty can get us one of our best pitching prospects then… Who knows.

oz10
3 years 7 months ago

Actually had to go research that. I thought that was a throw away trade and didn’t realize that Mendez was a top 10 in our system.

notsureifsrs
3 years 7 months ago

how did you even

extending them would be addressing the offense, which is what i just said they’ll need to do

Rangersfan32
3 years 7 months ago

So you’re assuming that JD let’s all four walk and doesnt sign or replace any of them? Not gonna happen. Cruz will likely be gone, Hamilton too if JD is concerned about injuries (which he doesn’t seem to be with Hamilton). At the point when Cruz leaves, Profar could be ready and it’s not too far fetched to think Kinsler could make a Soriano type move to the outfield with his speed and glove. You could also move Moreland permanently back to his RF position to replace Cruz and put a guy like Olt at 1B. Texas will be losing both catchers this next offseason but they’ll likely either extend Napoli or sign another top catcher in FA. Our offense will be fine.

Guest
3 years 7 months ago

When was he moved to LF? You mean for the upcoming season he’ll be playing LF? Even if he moves to LF he’s still going to have a sharp regression physically in the coming years. He’ll be 31 just after the opening weeks of the season. I’ll stand behind what I said and I think he’ll be 1st and more so a full time DH 2/3 years from now. I give him one more, maybe two at best, solid seasons in the field. 

3 years 7 months ago

Ham will play LF probably for the majority of the rest of his career. He’s not a 1B. Next year, Julio Borbon will start in LF more than likely, until Leonys Martin is ready.

EDIT: Julio in CF, not LF.

Guest
3 years 7 months ago

I agree the Rangers have some studs coming up for the OF, but I disagree that he’ll be playing LF or any outfield position for remainder of his career. Substance abuse has serious repercussions to the body, especially an athlete who has far more daily wear and tear. I don’t wish for this, but it wouldn’t surprise me if the upcoming season is his last playing a position full time. 

3 years 7 months ago

I could understand that arguement if he had an aweful injury prone season from playing the field last year, but he didn’t. The injuries he had were the freak accident at home plate and the strained groin he had at the plate. None of them were from him making a play in the outfield. He’s such a freak athelete, and I think that he will last.
LF isn’t that hard on anyone.

Rangersfan32
3 years 7 months ago

Hamilton played LF a good portion of last season. The only reason he still played a good amount of CF is because Borbon was a complete waste and Leonys Martin wasn’t ready yet.

3 years 7 months ago

Na, we have the 3rd. Yanks and Sox are ahead…as of last year anyway.

Rangersfan32
3 years 7 months ago

Texas and Boston are close in my opinion. I think Texas is deeper top to bottom, so I’ll take that over Boston.

Madman2TX
3 years 7 months ago

Past rumors stated Darvish wanted about $15 mil per season…so $8 mil per isn’t going to cut it. Likely that the Rangers will blink and offer something like 5/$65mil.

RationalSportsFan
3 years 7 months ago

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Brandon Smith
3 years 7 months ago

If Darvish gets $52MM it will be over 4 years, maybe 5, but definitely not 6.

Rangersfan32
3 years 7 months ago

You think Darvish will take 10 or so mill a year? That’d be great and all but I doubt that’s enough him to move over to the states.

Brandon Smith
3 years 7 months ago

I’m sure he won’t, but if it’s “Dice-K money” then it’s definitely not over 6 years. I’m willing to bet it’s more like CJ Wilson money, around 5/75.

Adam R
3 years 7 months ago

So the Rangers are going to be basically paying an AAV of $20 million for him, Roy Halladay money. He better be good.

Guest
3 years 7 months ago

..and that’s the thing. I’d rather have Fielder now, roasting balls 450 feet at $25mm per for the next 5 years and funny you bring up Halladay in comparison. Keep in mind he is a free agent after 2013 and I could definitely see someone like him going to the Rangers with the right terms. He’d be an aged ace, but still an ace who would bring much value to what will be at that point, a very young and talented rotation. Halladay is smart and the Rangers will likely be a perennial contender for years to come, and in an environment Halladay will probably like, whereas the Phillies I feel, will face several constraints down the road soon. I’m not sure the Phillies will stay at their peek as long as teams like the Yanks and Red Sox have. Just a gut feeling, but I think the Phillies need to win it this year or next or a few of those players may not see the post season for a while again. Much hinges on Hamels resigning and whether Cliff Lee will hold up for the remaining 4 years. They have one of the older rosters in baseball and I’m not holding my breath on Ryan Howard returning to top form for the duration of his contract after the injury he suffered. 

3 years 7 months ago

I think when that time comes, Halladay would have to want to go to the Rangers. Other teams would offer him more money at that stage of his career, when the Rangers might shy away.

Guest
3 years 7 months ago

Halladay is a funny guy in that I think he has a little vendetta against a few teams, including mine, which I respect. He never took me a $$ ball player, he’s technically been undervalued while in Philadelphia. That said, I could see a few teams like the Rangers, D-Backs, or Royals, all young teams with promising futures being his final landing spot. I’m fairly certain Halladay shys away from New York, Boston and many other places when the times comes. In fact, I 100% certain he’ll never play in Boston or New York. If there was a betting line open for this, I’d put $100.00 on it that Halladay is a Ranger in 2 years. Or maybe even the Cubs now that I think of it.

3 years 7 months ago

I would love to have him, even at 36 or 37.

Adam R
3 years 7 months ago

Look at Roy’s last free agency. He didn’t want to go to a team that had spring training in Arizona.

Guest
3 years 7 months ago

True and I do remember that now that you say it. But that was several years ago and he may change his position on that as he gets older, but definitely worth mentioning and I had forgotten about that.

yabud
3 years 7 months ago

Dice-K money, not to be confused with monopoly money. A big smiling picture of Daisuke’s mug in the center of the bill. A sight to be seen, no doubt.

MadmanTX
3 years 7 months ago

I don’t want Fielder over Darvish…both…ok maybe, if the price is right, but it won’t be with Boras.

Patrick the Pragmatist
3 years 7 months ago

The Rangers scored 855 runs last year.  If they add Fielder they might score 915 runs next year. 

But if Feliz flops in the rotation, Ogando does not emerge as a strong reliable starter and the rest of the rotation does not deliver they will need that many more runs just to match last year’s W/L record.  It might even drop.

3 years 7 months ago

how sad

RationalSportsFan
3 years 7 months ago

I don’t think 5/65 gets it done.  Darvish will make about $18MM in his next two years, and then likely get a $100MM deal when he becomes a true free agent.  Even if he only got something like 6yrs/90MM, he would be getting ~63MM over the next five years, with another three years 45MM guaranteed after that.  In other words, he would make much more by staying in Japan for the next two years.

Many have been underestimating how much Darvish makes in Japan.  It is going to take a legit offer from the Rangers to bring him state-side.

3 years 7 months ago

Japan is the equivalent of AAA.

notsureifsrs
3 years 7 months ago

japan switched to a larger ball last season and he was as dominant as ever. you are basically just making things up

Guest
3 years 7 months ago

He’s not a guy who has developmental potential.  He’s 6’5/225 – he’s already grown into his body.

3 years 7 months ago

He is set to mak the equivelent of 6.1 million next year and 6.5 million the year after. Where you get this 18 million, I have no idea. And please dont say you are including his endorsements. Those remain the same whether he is in Japan, or in the US. I would venture to say that it would go even higher if he plays in the majors.

Casor_Greener
3 years 7 months ago

IF he can make a $100M in 2 years, I don’t know why he would accept $65M now.  I know about the threat of injury but that’s a lot of money to sacrifice.

3 years 7 months ago

Maybe it’s not about the money.  Maybe it’s about becoming an International superstar and achieving Ichiro status and being able to compete against the best players in the world.  Just because American players are consumed by greed it doesn’t mean all players are driven by money alone.

3 years 7 months ago

Yea, he’s a full grown man. When you say develope it should mean his skill set. Why are you talking about his body developing?
I’m sure Mike and Greg Maddux have plenty to teach him.

RationalSportsFan
3 years 7 months ago

Last year Darvish signed a deal worht the equivalent of 6.1MM when it was signed (6.4MM now thanks to the struggling dollar).  I have seen no report for him having already signed for the next two years.  Where do you see this?

I get 18MM from estimating raises based off his salary progression. He has gone from 3.5MM to 4.2 to 6.4MM over the last three seasons. Estimating 8MM and then 10MM over the next two years seems reasonable.

RationalSportsFan
3 years 7 months ago

Also, I would find it strange if he already signed a two-year deal as he has been going year-to-year on his contracts his whole career.  It would also be strange if he got virtually no raise in the next two years (as your numbers would indicate).  If you show me where you got your numbers, I will yield.  They seem unlikely on the surface, however.

Guest
3 years 7 months ago

because it’s very relevant.  if he had a frame which could use 20 pounds, it’s fair to think he could add a few MPH to his fastball.

notsureifsrs
3 years 7 months ago

what am i wrong about? you just confirmed what i said

but ok, i see what your perspective is here. he’s a fluke because of the smaller ball japan used to use and because of the larger ball they switched to

he’s basically a fluke until he isn’t good anymore. makes sense to me

Lunchbox45
3 years 7 months ago

ok so if he excelled with the bigger ball.. u know thats the ball he’s going to be using here?

There is a lot of reasons to not like committing that much to a japanese pitcher, the ‘pitcher friendly ball’ isn’t one of them

notsureifsrs
3 years 7 months ago

failed to realize that? yes i’m sure. i’ll quote myself responding to Indestructible three weeks ago:

“they switched to a larger ball for the 2011 season and while darvish’s overall stats improved, so did pitching across the board in japan. his performance relative to the league average was stable”

sweet pwn bro you really blindsided me

notsureifsrs
3 years 7 months ago

but if it’s pwnage you’re into, here’s some more from the very same thread. a bit more comprehensive than “it won’t translate!  he’s grown into his body!”

darvish in japan

YEAR – FIP – ERA-

2007 – 2.45 – 49
2008 – 2.50 – 48
2009 – 2.75 – 43
2010 – 2.02 – 45
2011 – 1.57 – 49
avg – 2.26 – 47

ERA- tells you about his performance relative to other japanese pitchers at the time. he has consistently been ~53% better than the average pitcher

for perspective, there is no one like that in the MLB right now. the best pitcher in the MLB over the last 3 seasons, roy halladay, has “only” been 39% better than the average MLB pitcher. last season justin verlander was “only” 42% better

for comparison’s sake, matsuzaka was about 40% better than the average japanese league pitcher when he pitched there. he was essentially japan’s roy halladay. darvish has been japan’s vintage pedro martinez (who was 58% better than the league from 1999-2001)

obviously darvish is not going to be that good in MLB. pitching in japan compares more or less to pitching in AAA. but any pitcher his age who had dominated AAA for the past 5 years to that extreme degree would be far and away the best prospect in baseball

except no pitcher who crushes AAA like for even one season stays in AAA. his track record is what makes him worth way more than such a #1 prospect would be

3 years 7 months ago

Heck… I could be wrong.  I’d like to believe that some players are truly playing for the love of the game.  Pujols bailing out on the Cards has me seeing things through the eyes of a cynic.  Scott Boras is singlehandedly trying to ruin the game I grew up loving.

3 years 7 months ago

Heck… I could be wrong.  I’d like to believe that some players are truly playing for the love of the game.  Pujols bailing out on the Cards has me seeing things through the eyes of a cynic.  Scott Boras is singlehandedly trying to ruin the game I grew up loving.

Guest
3 years 7 months ago

in my original post, i cited a more pitcher friendly ball, which supplemented his ERA.  in your initial reply, you indicated they switched to a larger ball, inferring it caused offensive production to improve.

so he was “as dominant as ever” using a ball which was even more favorable to him vs. hitters.

i understand your point that he’s better than the average NPB pitcher, i don’t take exception to that.  i’m saying his success is a product of playing at a lower level with favorable variables for a pitcher.  i see him being an average MLB pitcher.

Guest
3 years 7 months ago

in my original post, i cited a more pitcher friendly ball, which supplemented his ERA.  in your initial reply, you indicated they switched to a larger ball, inferring it caused offensive production to improve.

so he was “as dominant as ever” using a ball which was even more favorable to him vs. hitters.

i understand your point that he’s better than the average NPB pitcher, i don’t take exception to that.  i’m saying his success is a product of playing at a lower level with favorable variables for a pitcher.  i see him being an average MLB pitcher.

3 years 7 months ago

He already throws 94-96. Why does he need to add MPH? Bigger muscle doesn’t translate to throwing faster. I know people that can throw 10mph faster than me when i’m well stronger.
You act like Darvish is ultra thin. His build is fine, and you’re just making things up to stir the pot.

3 years 7 months ago

He already throws 94-96. Why does he need to add MPH? Bigger muscle doesn’t translate to throwing faster. I know people that can throw 10mph faster than me when i’m well stronger.
You act like Darvish is ultra thin. His build is fine, and you’re just making things up to stir the pot.

Rangersfan32
3 years 7 months ago

He doesn’t need to add a few MPH’s. The Maddux brothers can just focus on his mechanics, making sure he keeps his accuracy going in the majors and maybe give a few pointers on how to make his off speed sharper. That would be easily just as good.

RationalSportsFan
3 years 7 months ago

This is certainly possible, and Darvish has said things to this effect (about wanting to play in the MLB to play the best of the best, and money not being that big of an issue).  I tend to ignore claims like that because players who say them so rarely follow up on them (i.e. they usually just take the most money possible).  If it happens, I will be pleasantly surprised though.

kingoriole
3 years 7 months ago

Yup. I’ve also read somewhere that the Japanese culture holds fairness in high esteem so Yu wants to be able to get a large posting fee rather then leave them with nothing in 2 years (making all sides the victors).

But then again would it be FAIR for Yu to make the same as Dice-K even though he’s younger, better now, and has better projections?

Guest
3 years 7 months ago

my point:  it would be more impressive if he was putting up those statistics weighing 195 and throwing 90-92.  he would have room to add 20-30 more pounds and MPH to his fastball

notsureifsrs
3 years 7 months ago

he’s used two different balls – one of which compares to the ball used in MLB – and dominated with both. it’s just not a substantive criticism, especially for a guy his size. the larger ball definitely impacted the smaller matsuzaka

it’s a given that he’s better than the average pitcher in japan. the important point is how much better. about 15% better than matsuzaka was

if we abandon the AAA comparison and just go with dice v. darvish, we get a FIP- and ERA- just above 80. and that’s assuming darvish is harmed by the larger ball as matsuzaka was

an ~80 FIP- ~80 ERA- pitcher over the last 3 years looks like cole hamels, tommy hanson, jered weaver, chris carpenter. it’s about 5% off the mark set by fellow 25 y/o felix hernandez

i’m not drawing any conclusions here; i’m just talking about the facts. your conclusion doesn’t follow from them

3 years 7 months ago

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3 years 7 months ago

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Guest
3 years 7 months ago

my point with the new ball, although MLB-sized is that it’s not an MLB baseball. it is constructed making it harder for batters to make solid contact as they’ve complained the ball doesn’t carry as well. i have no doubt that the new ball had a negligible effect on the grip of his pitches.

Guest
3 years 7 months ago

my point with the new ball, although MLB-sized is that it’s not an MLB baseball. it is constructed making it harder for batters to make solid contact as they’ve complained the ball doesn’t carry as well. i have no doubt that the new ball had a negligible effect on the grip of his pitches.

Guest
3 years 7 months ago

Exactly.

notsureifsrs
3 years 7 months ago

if not the grip, i don’t see the concern. he pitched with the other ball for years before that and his margin of greatness relative to everyone else using the same ball never changed

3 years 7 months ago

I just don’t get at all what point you’re trying to make. You’re saying he’d be more impressive if he weighed less and threw slower? Why am I even bothering with this arguement? That’s the better question.

3 years 7 months ago

I just don’t get at all what point you’re trying to make. You’re saying he’d be more impressive if he weighed less and threw slower? Why am I even bothering with this arguement? That’s the better question.

Rangersfan32
3 years 7 months ago

The point seems to be Darvish will suck since he’s already grown into his body and won’t throw much harder than he does now.

Guest
3 years 7 months ago

He would have more upside, that is why. Plus it would indicate he was a better pitcher if he had that success with lesser attributes.

Player X – 200 ip, 200 k’s, throws 92 and can add to frame.
Player Y – same stats, throws 95, can’t add to frame.

Ceteris paribus, you chose Player X.

Rangersfan32
3 years 7 months ago

That’d be nice to see.

Guest
3 years 7 months ago

Yep. I think that’s the general sentiment from everyone. In fairness however, I think everyone was taken back by Wilson’s $77mm contract. I still stand behind my valuation of $62mm over 4 years, but I think everyone, Rangers included, expected bidding to go north of $100mm or even towards the reported $120mm range. The Rangers where like a deer in headlights and based on what I read, they didn’t even make an offer. Perhaps they should have thrown a $65mm 4 year deal on the table as a place holder.

MadmanTX
3 years 7 months ago

You just really have to have followed C J Wilson his whole career to know why the Rangers wouldn’t have re-signed him. He’s inconsistent. His pluses: gave them 200 innings the last 2 seasons and won at least 15 games. His minuses: has a 1-5 postseason record and becomes a head case under stress. When the chips are down, you can’t count on Wilson. Sad, but true. As a lifelong Rangers fan, I am happy to see Wilson gone and ok with the team spending big on an ace who has no choice but to sign with Texas or they aren’t out a penny if he doesn’t. Yes, they lose the 15 game wins…maybe…or maybe Ogando or Feliz easily replaces Wilson’s good numbers. We’ll see.

Rangersfan32
3 years 7 months ago

Exactly. Darvish has enough velocity already. I’d like to see the Maddux brothers help him improve the sharpness of his off speed and command.

3 years 7 months ago

The Rangers weren’t interested in bringing CJ back. They have money, and if they thought that CJ was worth it they would have allocated some of it to him.
I’m sure some of it had to do with his playoff performances.

Rangersfan32
3 years 7 months ago

I doubt Darvish hits 130. I’ll guess about 115. Granted that still a lot, but Texas has some of the best scouts. They scouted him a TON these last two years, so there’s a reason Texas is giving him this much money.

Guest
3 years 7 months ago

I hope the Rangers enjoy their 100m #3 starter

oz10
3 years 7 months ago

Yes, they are A ball players that beat the best the world had to offer not once but twice. It is widely accepted that Japan is very equivalent to AAA if not a bit better.

3 years 7 months ago

we’ll enjoy being one of the best teams in baseball.

OCAngels
3 years 7 months ago

I’m sure tx would’ve like to sign CJ for the $ the Angels gave him

Guest
3 years 7 months ago

you can only truly enjoy it when you’re the best team in baseball.  only one team every year … spend wisely, rangers.

3 years 7 months ago

I’d like you to do my taxes.

3 years 7 months ago

I’d like you to do my taxes.

3 years 7 months ago

Canada won PanAm gold last year in baseball last year. Doesn’t mean Stubby Clapp beats A-Rod.

oz10
3 years 7 months ago

Carla,

Japan has won the world baseball classic the last two times and yes Braun was on the team for the US. Pujols, Jeter, Bautista, Pedro, Adrian Beltre, David Ortiz, Morneau, Stairs, Adrian Gonzalez, Chipper Jone, Arod, Texiera, Chase Utley, Wells (probably hurts the argument though, Go LA, smart move there!), Holliday, Yadier Molina, Ivan Rodriguez, Beltran, and I can keep going on. Go look at the rosters. google “WBC 2006 roster” and then do the same for 2009. They didn’t win against minor league competition in either year. The argumant could be made that the MLB players weren’t as read yas we played before our season where most other teams played after their seasons were over. He did notch a save against team USA when he was 22. So yes, he has faced MLB competition and Japan has beat US competition.  

oz10
3 years 7 months ago

You are comparing an amateur match up to one where they use MLB players. Nobody cares about the Pan AM games except Canada!!!!