Quick Hits: Padres, Jurrjens, Reds, Angels

Here are some links from around the league as Tuesday turns into Wednesday…

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  1. Who’s Chris Gruler?

    • Michael Gardiner 3 years ago


      • schellis 3 years ago

        Gruler was the Reds draft pick that flamed out pretty early in his career and didn’t get past even low A ball.   Retired at 22.   Horrible pick by the Reds that was made because Gruler was willing to sign for what the Reds were offering.  Wasn’t the first horrible pick by the Reds and likely wasn’t the last.

  2. Padres probably wont do ANYTHING to the park until they have a new owner. #justsayin

    •  I do enjoy seeing parks become more neutral. I hope something gets done there.

      • I’ve been saying the same thing about Fenway, though, and it’ll never get changed because of “tradition.” Hitters can completely base their style of play around hitting light fly outs to left field because so many of them become home runs.

        • johnsilver 3 years ago

           “hitting light fly outs to left field because so many of them become home runs.”

          Why? Because they are doubles and NOT Home runs? Some people here just don’t know much about the league, much less stadium renovations that took place, nor ones that can no longer take place (in Fenways case) that would remove them from national list of historical locations because they would drastically alter the stadiums appearance.

          When Boston built that new (and ugly) press box behind home plate for the “esteemed” press back in the early 90’s? They waved bye, bye to the “pop up” wind blown HR out to left field, but then many of the ones who make ill informed posts, like that one just above keep write on wasting types space writing the same thing…

          No more Rico petrocelli high pop up HR who can make a living there scraping them up into the old screen that used to hang above the wall and count on the gusting wind that used to be counted on to blow (unimpeded) out towards left many a nights when there was no towering press box behind home plate…

          And the RF bullpen?? They tried to bring those walls in 7-10′ last year, but it would have removed the site from the historical register, cutting the team out of free state money.. Name any team that turns down free moolah….

          • With everything you said, I can’t manage to figure out what it is you’re mad about.

            The wind doesn’t blow the pop ups into homeruns, the LF wall is just so close that things that would be a popup to left field in ANY OTHER PARK are homeruns here.

            And if you don’t believe a hitter can mold themselves to hitting for that, well, we have differing opinions.

          • johnsilver 3 years ago

             “The wind doesn’t blow the pop ups into homeruns”

            Uhh.. If you knew anything at all about Fenway.. You would know how the ball travels now and how it once did.. Popups do *not* go out, did they in the past?? Yes.. THAT was my point.. Guys like Hawk Harrelson, Nick Esasky (1 year) and Ricp Petrocelli mad a career out of hitting popup HR at LF.

            They built that huge pressbox for 2 reasons.. 1 to get more people INTO the stadium (press of course) and the other was to block the wind that blew balls out to left and it DID that job well.

            If you are unable to understand that?? Guess no point in my explaining any further.

  3. #MoveInTheRightFieldFence!

  4. So much for that Greinke-like package.

    • Lunchbox45 3 years ago


    • undocorkscrew 3 years ago

      That was all journalists using their imaginations. The front office didn’t expect a package like that.

      • rundmc1981 3 years ago

        Frank Wren has a history of using the media and their words. He knows how to keep a deal under wraps and let some rumors float to help. However, his supposed demands really hurt any kind of deal getting done considering the amount of interest there was in JJ (with or without Prado as a package). There weren’t enough quality arms available in the offseason to justify not getting rid of him, but enough to know that you can’t charge an outrageous price and think someone will balk. All-in-all, the league called Wren’s bluff and now we’d be lucky to get a decent 1-2 prospects by the All-Star Break, if at all.

  5. CaseyBlakeDeWitt 3 years ago

    Oh my god guys. This has a typo. I would go into a rage but I’m pretty sure all-caps is illegal now.. Anyways it says “potential non-candidate” instead of “potential non-tender candidate.”

    • Well, he may be a non-candidate for even a minor-league contract if he can’t straighten himself out in Gwinnett (presuming Jurrjens isn’t physically hurt).

  6. Braves fan for 20 plus years here…Jurrjens is embarrassing to watch…I hope he is traded, never mind the minors

    • ERA finally catching up to other peripherals. He isnt this bad, I really think something is wrong. But he is nothing more than a mid to back rotation guy. The time to move him was December but Wren got greedy. 

      • I honestly think Delgado is a better option than Jurrjens…when Hudson gets back, I think things will be fine…but as of right now, with Jurrjens going out there…I have no confidence at all…

        • I think the Braves should also give Medlen a chance for the time being. 

          • bringbackandruw 3 years ago

            Why? He literally just came back from Tommy John’s, he was relief before he was a starter and they are doing the same thing again. Hudson, Hanson, Beachy, Minor, Delgado is more than enough for now. If Delgado begins to falter then maybe consider Medlen but even then we still have Teheran who may be ready by June/July if need be. No need to push Medlen into the starting role. Maintain the relief core for as long as possible. 

          • rundmc1981 3 years ago

            I like Medlen and all, but Teheran/Delgado have worked their butts off in the minors and some in the majors. They’re not long relievers and deserve a shot at a rotation spot. Medlen has thrown much in a MLB game as a starter, and we’re too deep and have enough starting talent and not enough bullpen depth to risk Medlen. Plus, I don’t know how much longer Teheran should stay in the minors knowing he’s excelled consistently at AAA and needs some time in the majors for good. Get rid of Jurrjens (trade for a B-C positional prospect). 

      • johnsilver 3 years ago

         Quick! Rizzo, Get on the horn and offer to dump Lannan on Atlanta for Jurrjens.. Might be his only chance to unload Lannan and his 5m for anyone resembling an outlier of the remotest chance of helping Washington…

        • rundmc1981 3 years ago

          This trade would benefit ATL more, if nothing else than not having to face Lannan ever again (twice as many career wins vs. ATL than any other team (8-5, 3.25 ERA) AND not now having the ability to hit Jurrjens like everyone else has been doing except us (30 hits in 16.1 IP).

    • I remember all the Braves fans saying no way they should trade him to Padres in spring training for Venable. Now he is a bum? Too funny.

      • undocorkscrew 3 years ago

        You remember all the Braves fans……..right. The Braves fans I knew were in favor of a straight-up swap.

        Venable is nothing special anyway.

    • NickinIthaca 3 years ago

       It’s true… No young pitcher has ever had a down stretch that required them to go back to the minors to turn things around.  Especially to start the season!  Maybe they could trade JJ for Tim Lincecum – he’s had a rough start and his numbers are starting to catch up to his peripherals.  

      • Phillies_Aces35 3 years ago

        JJ is NOT in the same level as Tim Lincecum. I know you were being sarcastic but come on now.

        • NickinIthaca 3 years ago

          It was just a little hyperbole to prove the point that much more absurd.  They’re both having a slow start to the season.  Especially with both pitchers being as young as they are, I don’t see any reason to freak out about either.  Obviously Lincecum is at another level, which is why he’ll be allowed to work through his problems in the big leagues…  Jurrjens though is still young enough to be demoted (with options apparently, which shows how long he’s been able to stick at the Major League level) and figure it out. 

          I just think it’s a bit much for a Brave’s fan (not you, but the original gentleman I responded to) to say his performance has been embarassing.  Poor?  Yes.  But plenty of stud pitchers have gotten of to relatively worse performances, including Lincecum. 

          • rundmc1981 3 years ago

            Lincecum has won 2 Cy Youngs before his 4th year in MLB. Jurrjens has looked like a Cy Young contender for half of one season. Lincecum has pitched 200+ IP 4 straight seasons, while Jurrjens has done it once. 

            I understand using hyperbole, but you need to be sent down to the minors to work on your hyperbole. They’re no where in the same universe as each other.

            Jurrjens is NOT a “stud pitcher”. What “stud” pitcher lights up the radar gun at a whopping 88 mph with limited movement on his off-speed pitches? Everyone likes to think he’s injured because he’s pitching poorly, but that’s an excuse. His numbers finally reveal the truth and though he can pitch better, “embarrassing” can describe his first 4 outings — maybe you didn’t watch. He’s pitching batting practice. They risked letting him come back to prove himself healthy rather than trading him in the offseason after ending the year on the DL (again). The league wants to see him pitch well consistently while healthy and I don’t think that’s going to happen. ATL has too much good young, controllable pitching and we need to get Teheran in there too badly to waste a spot on a veteran that needs to figure it out in a contract year. He’s not getting an extension from an ATL even if he pitched to his capabilities, so why delay the inevitable? He’s getting $6M. 

  7. GasLampGuru 3 years ago

    That’s it, move in the fences instead of, you know; bringing in better players.  So what happens when the fences come in and guys like Headley, Hundley, etc still can’t hit?  It doesn’t matter where the fences are when your team is at or near the top of the league in strike outs every year.

    • The better players are on their way. Its hard enough for the Padres to entice hitters to come to their team to begin with, and then add in their financial restrictions and they are really in a tough spot. If their plan is to win games right now with pitching and defense then moving in the fences hurts them more than other teams. But they should eventually do something that park is ridiculous

      • Lunchbox45 3 years ago

         I actually think one of the best aspects of the MLB is that they all teams to have such a difference in their ballparks. Every other sport, the court, rink, field are all the exact same dimensions, sure the exterior and atmosphere’s differ, but the on field aspects are all the same.

        It makes for such unique situations and if used correctly, truly creates a home field advantage

        • rundmc1981 3 years ago

          Agreed, what if they pull those fences in an pitcher’s like Luebke appear less stellar? Not like I truly think that’ll happen based on his strikeout rates.

          • Also, look at his home/road splts…

          • rundmc1981 3 years ago

            WOW! His road ERA is almost a run BETTER THAN HIS HOME! (home: 3.69 to road: 2.73) with a better WHIP on the road! Where did they find this kid?! Being that he’s an Ohio product, maybe CIN went after the wrong SD pitcher – I definitely think so.

        • Drew Tweedie 3 years ago

           Well said. As offensively-inept as Petco is, I sorta love it. I agree with Garfinkel though.. a hitter shouldn’t be unreasonably punished and a pitcher shouldn’t be unjustly rewarded. Also, would be nice to see the road bullpen, have an actual pen.

    • rundmc1981 3 years ago

      They got half a team for Latos and actually got a great pitching prospect in Cashner for Rizzo. If Quentin can ever get healthy, they’d consider offering him a fair contract to be some power, but I think they’re going about it the right way – locking up Luebke, letting Bell walk.

  8. If Jair Jurrjens isn’t trying to conceal some sort of injury—what happened? This reminds me a lot of the rapid decline of Dontrelle Willis.

    • rundmc1981 3 years ago

      Jurrjens is more consistent than Willis, while Willis had higher upside. Once the league got an extended look at him, it was over. He had once great year (22-10, Cy runner-up in 2005), but everything else was mediocre at best. Jurrjens looks good when he’s not hampered by lingering injuries. The problem is, he’s always hampered.

    • jhawk1000 3 years ago

      More like Rick” Wild Thing” Vaughn from Major League2.

  9. sam valenti 3 years ago

    I love all these hate comments that he sucks… LMAO

    There are 29 other teams in the MLB that would GLADLY take him!!!!

    • WorldsBiggesDBack 3 years ago

      (Nodding Vigorously)

      Twins Fans

    • rundmc1981 3 years ago

      That comment might as well say: I am not a MLB GM. Wren spoke to everyone about him, yet no deal was ever done. I know he’s an old school guy that might not take sabermetrics seriously, but the writing has been on the wall for Jurrjens enough to convince him that he didn’t really think he was going to get a massive package for a pitcher that has thrown 200+ IP once in his career and been on the DL every year but 1.

  10. undocorkscrew 3 years ago

    Can Jurrjens name be mentioned without fans going on about Adam Jones, Seth Smith, Mat Latos, or Venable? Not a single one of us know the exact specifics regarding what was offered for Jurrjens or the exact players the Braves were targeting. Some Braves fans overvalued Jurrjens, so what? So what if the front-office held onto him hoping a team would overpay? They didn’t ‘have’ to trade him. Happens all the time.

    Ahh, the beauty of hindsight…..

    • I’m glad they didn’t trade him for Heisey.  Even with with a slow start, I think he’s worth more than that.

      • josh 3 years ago

        haha no.

        • dunnetg 3 years ago

          haha WAR.  Jurrjens 11.3 WAR through age 25, Heisey 2.3 WAR through age 26.

          • TophersReds 3 years ago

            Jurrjens has terrible peripherals, Heisy is a beast pinch hitter, can play a good CF, and has 20+ HR power. Heisy still has a decent amount of upside, unlike Jurrjens.

  11. Mattsui 3 years ago

    Bryan Bullington is an interesting case. He had spectacular collegiate numbers and his minor league stats early on indicated that he indeed was worthy of a first round pick at the time. But I think it was a mixture of injuries, bad luck and bad timing that really screwed him up in the end. At times it appeared like he just wasn’t getting enough of a chance. And sometimes he’d even show flashes of brilliance, in the majors no less, like when he dominated the Yankees for his first career win. Yes, as far as first overall picks go, he’s a bust. But I think he at least had (has?) the talent to be a decent starter or great reliever. I put Bullington and Hochevar into the same category; both are first overall pick busts, but both still have first round talent that just hasn’t been fully harnessed. Just some random musings. What do my fellow commenters think?

  12. You expect him or anyone for that matter to be right all the time? Hes one of the most all-around educated people in the industry in terms of scouting, business and actual play.

  13. NickinIthaca 3 years ago

     Not to throw you under the bus, but I always get moderated when I make comments like this….  But once again, who wants to pay to get this kind of hindsight.  I’ve seen similar, or better articles on the same subject (although they tend to concentrate on a single team), coming from free blogs.  Many of which I learned about from the Baseball Blogs Weigh In post on this website. 

    Thanks to MLBTR and the other blogs that are just as informative, if not more so, than the experts ESPN is trotting out there.  We appreciate your hard work…

  14. Its funny you say that considering that Law has already worked in Toronto’s front office and was offered a job with the Astros a few months ago. He declined the offer to stay at ESPN and be with his family.

    Its fine if you dont personally like him or his work but to say he is an incompetent scout is outrageous. He does terrific work from high school all the way up to the majors. 

  15. Lunchbox45 3 years ago

    chances are, he probably gets paid more at ESPN then he would to be a scout, scouts, for the most part are not compensated all that well, especially when you factor how much driving and time away from your family..

    Now a job at a head office, I’m sure would tickle his fancy, its just more stable and better perks.. but I’ve never bought the oh, if he’s a good scout he would be one argument, his job as it stands, is much better

  16. WorldsBiggesDBack 3 years ago

     I don’t know did you see Bowden’s trades to fix the Red Sox? Yikes!

  17. undocorkscrew 3 years ago

    Pretty much anybody with a brain knew that Jurrjens wasn’t the pitcher his ERA said he was. So no, that’s not too surprising. What is surprising though is the fact that he’s now walking more batters than he’s striking out and his velocity continues to drop. What he’s going through right now isn’t regression, it’s imploding. The front-office claims that he’s perfectly healthy, but whatever the reason……what we’re seeing now definitely isn’t the real Jair Jurrjens. Nobody could’ve predicted him going from a solid #3 guy to one of the worst pitchers in baseball, his peripherals were never THAT bad.

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