Reds Agree To Extend Joey Votto

Prince Fielder and Albert Pujols won't be the only first basemen to cash in with historic contracts this offseason. Joey Votto and the Reds have agreed to a ten-year, $225MM contract extension according to Bob Nightengale of USA Today. The deal includes full no-trade protection. Dan Lozano of Icon Sports Group represents Votto.

Joey Votto - Reds (PW)

The ten-year deal will keep Votto in Cincinnati through 2023 according to Nightengale, indicating that it's ten years on top of the two years left on his current deal. Votto signed a three-year, $38MM extension prior to last season. With this new deal, he is now under contract for the next 12 years at a total price of $251.5MM.

This is the fifth deal in MLB history to surpass the $200MM mark. Prince Fielder, Alex Rodriguez (twice), Albert Pujols, and now Votto make up the select group. This is also the largest contract ever signed by a non-free agent, surpassing Derek Jeter's ten-year, $189MM deal with the Yankees. Ben Nicholson-Smith suggested in January that an additional $161MM could be enough to keep Votto in place long-term. Though not directly related, the Dodgers' sale price of $2.15 billion can't have hurt Votto's leverage.

Votto, the 2010 NL MVP, has evolved into one of the game's elite players since debuting in 2007. He followed up his MVP season with a .309/.416/.531 line, 29 homers and 40 doubles. The 28-year-old has been a seven win player each of the past two seasons, according to FanGraphs' version of wins above replacement.

MLBTR's Tim Dierkes and Ben Nicholson-Smith first reported that the two sides were nearing an agreement. John Fay of The Cincinnati Enquirer, Jon Heyman of CBSSports.com, and Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports all added details (all four Twitter links).

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186 Comments on "Reds Agree To Extend Joey Votto"


3 years 4 months ago

wow

diesel2410
3 years 4 months ago

Nice to finally see a smallish market team keep their star. Congrats Cincinnati, this is a big day in franchise history

3 years 4 months ago

Sounds awfully familiar to the Joe Mauer extension. 

3 years 4 months ago

 Except not as bad

3 years 4 months ago

He’s one year into his contract. He’s hitting .358 this spring, and he’s healthy. I’m just curious, though – will you be on the bandwagon after he has a great season? I bet. 

3 years 4 months ago

 Sad there’s still 7 years remaining isn’t it?  I won’t be on the bandwagon…he has no power…his value for the contract was staying a catcher, not gonna happen.

MaineSox
3 years 4 months ago

It doesn’t really matter if he can’t stay behind the plate.

3 years 4 months ago

 what other position is worth $23M/yr playing 133 games a season? (which is what he was averaging prior to 2011)

MaineSox
3 years 4 months ago

Well, to be fair, he was a full time catcher prior to 2011 (catchers never play every day – 133 is actually a lot for a catcher) so it wouldn’t be unreasonable to think that he could play every day at another position.  And if he ends up moving to a position that isn’t 1B the deal wont be a total failure.

3 years 4 months ago

to further my point…he has caught a ton, the Twins were delusional to think his knees/heath would hold up for 8 years into his mid 30s.  As a 1Bman, Mauer’s not going to put up the numbers to be worth $23M/season.

Brad Miller
3 years 4 months ago

I dont think anyone who made that offer expected Mauer to play catcher full-time every year of that contract and hit 20+ HR.  I’m sure they did expect him to be playing the majority of games as catcher for the first half of it alteast and hitting for a great average with some pop.  It’s early in that deal, so hopefully he can bounce back.  Way too early to be knocking the deal completely…

diesel2410
3 years 4 months ago

Except Votto can stay healthy

notsureifsrs
3 years 4 months ago

so could joe mauer…until he couldn’t. that’s the point

Tko11
Tko11
3 years 4 months ago

Except Votto plays first base and not catcher.

Thomas Wilson
3 years 4 months ago

 Todd Helton says Hi!

diesel2410
3 years 4 months ago

Definitely seems like the stress on a catcher’s lower body is more than a first baseman’s. 

3 years 4 months ago

Magic Johnson sheds a single tear in LA

bonds2425
3 years 4 months ago

Sucks for the dodgers. They’ll have a lot of money to spend and will have no market really. They’ll probably spend big on players that aren’t too big of an impact. Only to get someone kind of descent on the field.

niched
3 years 4 months ago

The Dodgers will probably have to trade for a top power hitting first baseman now — if there are any out there to trade for…

Devon Henry
3 years 4 months ago

Mark Trumbo

niched
3 years 4 months ago

Trumbo is good, but very unlikely close to the league of a Votto or a Gonzalez. Time will tell, but I’m thinking Eric Hosmer or Mike Moustakas. Royals need pitching and they got the young power hitting corner infielders the Dodgers are seeking.

On second thought, Trumbo maybe will be just as good as those guys. Who knows?

Tko11
Tko11
3 years 4 months ago

Trumbo has power but thats about it…Hosmer will be way better in my opinion but the Royals aren’t trading him or Moustakas unless Kershaw is coming to the Royals…

niched
3 years 4 months ago

Yeah you’re right the Royals won’t trade Hosmer, but they’ll need to trade someone good other than him if they want a half-decent pitching staff.  The problem is the Dodgers don’t have any top minor league arms in their system at the moment. Eovaldi and a couple other arms I don’t think would be enough to get Moustakas. Royals should do a trade with the Braves or the Rays at some point.

Tko11
Tko11
3 years 4 months ago

The Royals should shop Butler if they want pitching not Hosmer or Moustakas. The Royals have Lamb, Montgomery and Odorizzi. Montgomery is almost major league ready. 

niched
3 years 4 months ago

Butler is good but not really good enough to bring back superior pitching. Moustakas could bring back a lot more in a trade than Butller. None of of Lamb, Momtgomery and Odorizzi are quite Major League ready and there is no telling how many of them will actually pitch well at the Major League level. A rebuilding team needs more in the way of good young pitching than hitting. The Royals need more.

Tko11
Tko11
3 years 4 months ago

Butler is underrated because his lack of power so far and his questionable defense, but people seem to forget hes only 25 and just entering his prime. He hits around .300 year after year with a solid OPS. Hes had two seasons with 90+ rbis and one  with 20+ homeruns. He hits a lot of doubles so you have to think if he can increase his power a bit and turn some of those doubles into homeruns he can easily be a .300 25+ 100+ rbi  guy. In comparison Moustakas is 23 and Hosmer is 22. Not that big of an age difference.

rundmc1981
3 years 4 months ago

Whoa.

Lastings
3 years 4 months ago

Whoaie Joey, indeed!

Aaron Klemme
3 years 4 months ago

2013? I hope its 2023

Clff
3 years 4 months ago

Excellent.

3 years 4 months ago

That’s the shortest 10-year contract I’ve ever seen. 😉

Clayton Steinriede
3 years 4 months ago

through 2023?

abes_seed
3 years 4 months ago

score!!!

Ryan Graywacz
3 years 4 months ago

I’m gonna try to make the MLB as a first baseman. I can make some solid dollars there.

Nick
3 years 4 months ago

its going to cripple the reds in the future

3 years 4 months ago

It’s the going rate for players of that caliber these days.

Nick
3 years 4 months ago

 yea but long term its going to hurt

JaySchu
3 years 4 months ago

 Inflation. By the time this contract is done in twelve years $30-40M/yr might be the norm for a superstar.

DK8
3 years 4 months ago

Sooner or later inflation is going to slow to that of the general economy.  Baseball can’t indefinitely grow revenues the way it has over the last 10 years.  And salaries are directly influenced by revenues… Just because the average inflation rate has been 5-10% in the past doesn’t mean it will continue to be in the future.

JaySchu
3 years 4 months ago

It’s not slowing anytime soon, not with the exploding tv revenue.

michael day
3 years 4 months ago

I don’t agree.  They’ll get this money back and then some. Rolen’s contract is up this year, which gives them $6.5MM more next year to pay Votto, and Arroyo’s contract is up after next year, which frees up about $13MM more.  Plus, if they let Phillips walk (hoping that Billy Hamilton will be ready by next year), that’s another $12MM or so.

Bruce is locked in for 6 years, and the rest of their lineup is young and/or cheap (Meso, Cozart, Stubbs, Frazier, Heisey/Ludwick).  They’ve got Cueto locked in for 5 more years; they get 4 more years of Latos and Leake reasonably cheaply; Chapman is locked for another 4 years; Marshall is locked for 3.  Bailey will be a little more expensive in a year or two, but not outrageous.  Things look fine for the next 3-4 years, anyway.

3 years 4 months ago

hamilton who has in Low-A and will get the bat knocked out of his hands by real fastballs hamilton?

An_Anteater
3 years 4 months ago

Hamilton isn’t the heir apparent to Brandon Phillips. The next guy in line is actually Henry Rodriguez a guy who hit .300 in AA last season and will most likely start in AAA this season.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=rodrig003hen 

scheffbd
3 years 4 months ago

A 10-year contract that expires in 2013?

Jennifer Campbell
3 years 4 months ago

 It said that the 10 year part of it starts in 2013 at $225 million and the remaining two years of his current deal add to that and make it $251 million for 12 years altogether.

MaineSox
3 years 4 months ago

Starts after 2013.  The deal starts in 2014 and goes through the 2023 season (the year he turns 40).

David C. Ruckman
3 years 4 months ago

Finally, a huge extension like this coming at a smart time, with someone getting paid for next decade as opposed to last decade. And as far as “crippling the Reds” is concerned, I don’t think this deal will do that.

TophersReds
3 years 4 months ago

The TV contract coming in 2016 (or sooner) will be paying his contract. It’ll cripple them a little in the latter of the contract, but it is well worth it to have him for the front to mid end.

MB923
3 years 4 months ago

Wowzers

MrBZito75
3 years 4 months ago

 seriously

Mario Saavedra
3 years 4 months ago

Overpay

3 years 4 months ago

 Wrong… This is an MVP player.  Not an overpay. Its market value maybe a little less.  and the fact that he will be around until 2023 Dang!!! 

I literally just jumped out of my chair and jumped up and down several times.   Oh yeah and I am a Reds fan lol..     

I don’t think it will strap them down entirely.  I do think unless Brandon Phillips lowers his demands he is gone after this season though because of this.

notsureifsrs
3 years 4 months ago

market value for a player who is two years away from hitting the market = overpay

he’s an MVP player right now, but they already had his age 28 and 29 seasons locked up. they just paid $225M for age 30-40. will he still be that player? i hope so, but that’s a huge risk and this is a brutal commitment for a team in that market

MB923
3 years 4 months ago

I don’t know if the yearly salary breakdown is shown yet, but I hope that they are paying Votto the most of his money in the early years of his contract.

Sure he’ll make $225 million regardless, but I think I’d rather pay a 40 year old 1B say $30 million the final 2 years as opposed to possibly $50 million (These are all just random guesses of course. He might make exactly $22.5 million a year like Teixeira)

Casor_Greener
3 years 4 months ago

Is Boras this guys agent? If so, then you know the Reds got jerked!

3 years 4 months ago

every team’s fanbase wants the deals to be frontloaded…the only time it’s been done (i believe) was Arod…the team with a nearly unlimited budget is the only team smart enough to do it

CHendershott
3 years 4 months ago

Would you rather overpay for Votto or Prince Fielder? If you think the Reds are gonna regret this move (they most likely won’t) just think how the Tigers will feel in about 5 years. Maybe less…

Pawsdeep
3 years 4 months ago

Except fielder will be 37 when his is over and he plays in the AL where his final years will come as a DH.

Plus, it still boggles my mind why people’s first concern over his contract is length vs longevity and the guy has averaged 160 games per year over a 6 year span and is only 28 years old.

3 years 4 months ago

yeah…not exactly a good comparison

Devon Henry
3 years 4 months ago

Yeh agreed Votto age 40 playing 1st still oh god, maybe the Reds should swap with the astros and join the AL.

Casor_Greener
3 years 4 months ago

It’s obvious this is an overpay. I can’t believe people are trying to rationalize this ridiculous contract. Paying “market value” when the “market” is inflated is still an over pay. We all know that VERY FEW players are worth +4 WAR after age 36, especially now the game is “clean”.

Just sucks for all those Blue Jays fans who swore he as going to Toronto….

3 years 4 months ago

seems like the jays fans won in that deal

EarlyMorningBoxscore
3 years 4 months ago

Adrian Gonzalez’s contract keeps looking better and better…

Ryan Graywacz
3 years 4 months ago

He’s the best out of Pujols, Fielder, Votto and Texeria, and he has the cheapest contract. Boston >>

slasher016
3 years 4 months ago

Gonzalez is not the best of that group sorry.

Jason_F
3 years 4 months ago

Offensively, all of these guys are pretty similar and, in my opinion, Gonzalez eclipses all of them defensively.

CalvaryCougar
3 years 4 months ago

Cause votto didn’t win a gold glove

Jason_F
3 years 4 months ago

Gold Gloves are a joke and I am not considering those when I make that statement.  I am going by the eyeball test and defensive metrics.  Votto doesn’t touch Gonzalez defensively.  I really don’t think that’s a very controversial statement.

3 years 4 months ago

What’s this guy smokin’?

Bombastic_Dave
3 years 4 months ago

It’s beer and fried chicken.

diesel2410
3 years 4 months ago

Homer alert. Homer alert

MaineSox
3 years 4 months ago

Pujols is likely still better in the short term, and Votto may be better in the long run (it’s likely to be close), but Gonzalez definitely offers the best talent to dollar ratio by far and isn’t under contract into his late 30’s – early 40’s like the other guys.

3 years 4 months ago

convenient how you left off miggy cabrera

rickjimbo
3 years 4 months ago

The first thing that came to mind

j6takish
3 years 4 months ago

 I’m sure A-Gons contract was modeled after the Cabrera deal. Unfortunately, the Reds had to sign Joey with Fielder/Pujols fresh in every ones  mind

Yankees420
3 years 4 months ago

 Gonzalez seems to have given a discount, he took less annual money and less years than Teix, a player who signed more recently than Cabrera and one that he was clearly at least on par with at the time. 

3 years 4 months ago

he also wasnt a FA and was coming off of a major injury if I recall…he didnt take a discount…he took what was market value given those two considerations

Yankees420
3 years 4 months ago

He was one year away from FA and Boston had just traded a major haul of prospects for him, he definitely had plenty of leverage.  He also played in 160 games the year before, so no major injury.  Although there is now a report out with Gonzalez saying he’s been injured for 2 years now, which has limited him from full extending his swing, but now is finally healthy.  My point is that had he waited to reach FA or if he wanted to at least match Teix’s contract with Boston, he could have without a problem.  The AAV is market value, the years/total value of the contract is not.

slasher016
3 years 4 months ago

Is everyone losing it?  Votto’s deal is almost exactly the same AAV as Gonzalez.  22.5M vs. 22M.  Oh Gonzalez’s deal is so much better!!!

EarlyMorningBoxscore
3 years 4 months ago

Right and a 38 year old Votto in the National League is really going to pay off….the Gonzalez deal in terms of money and length is a lot better. 

MaineSox
3 years 4 months ago

It’s not just about the AAV, Gonzalez will be 36 when his deal ends (2018) and Votto will be 40 when his ends (2023).

notsureifsrs
3 years 4 months ago

analysis complete

Yankees420
3 years 4 months ago

 And just in case you aren’t convinced yet, Votto’s deal include full no-trade protection, while Gonzalez only has partial no-trade protection.

Thomas Wilson
3 years 4 months ago

 but will have 10/5 half way through

Yankees420
3 years 4 months ago

You are right about that, I forgot about 10/5 rights.

Jason_F
3 years 4 months ago

Until you consider that Gonzalez is only signed through his age 36 season.  That is quite a disparity between the two…

Andrew Sapiro
3 years 4 months ago

wow, huge deal

Andrew Sapiro
3 years 4 months ago

how is Votto making 1yr/$12M MORE than Fielder???

bringbackericthered
3 years 4 months ago

Because Votto is in shape and plays GG defense

3 years 4 months ago

Votto is better at pretty much every part of the game and doesn’t look like a beach ball.

Ethanator99
3 years 4 months ago

I honestly never thought I would see this. I just assumed that he was gone after the next 2 years. Amazing

3 years 4 months ago

Wow! Great move for Votto and Cincy both. It’ll keep the Reds competitive for years to come.

bigpat
3 years 4 months ago

ummmmm, wow!!!

That’s a crapload of money and years. Votto is a great, great player but as usual, contracts this long don’t look very good in their final few seasons. Very surprised to see the Reds make this kind of huge commitment. Even though they spend money, this is the kind of move that typically only the huge market teams can pull off. 

Matthew Gregory Proudfit
3 years 4 months ago

If he were a Pirate, would you not be pleased? It’s either that or he’s gone in 2 years, and likely less.

MaineSox
3 years 4 months ago

If I were a Reds fan I would be ecstatic about the next 5-6 years, but I wouldn’t like the thought of the last 5ish years of the deal.

niched
3 years 4 months ago

You could say that about just about all of these long term contracts

MaineSox
3 years 4 months ago

Yes, but most of the rest of those guys wont be 40 when their contracts end; Gonzalez, Fielder, Braun, Holliday, and Crawford will all be 36 when their respective deals end, Cabrera will only be 33, Mauer will be 35, Kemp will be 34.  This deal puts Votto in the Alex Rodriguez – Albert Pujols category as far as contract years go (they will all be 40+ when their deals end), and Votto’s made less sense than Pujols’ deal: Pujols was a free agent and had multiple teams bidding for his services; Votto was under team control so he could only negotiate with one team, the team took on extra (unneeded at this point) risk when they already had him for two more years, and players in that situation regularly get less than what they would have gotten on the open market not as much as they would have gotten (or possibly more).

LHomonacionale
3 years 4 months ago

Taking a purely business analysis to players as labor on the field is a luxury of the major market, big budget teams. Teams like the Reds have to consider that they will take on a little more risk for the potential to have the sum total of a Hall of Famer’s career under their logo. Teams like the Reds don’t get many chances to put their logos on Hall of Fame busts much these days. If he gets to be truly awful in his latter years they can perhaps convince him to retire with a buyout of his last few years, which you cannot do if a player thinks he can still get a handful more short contracts on other, minor teams. It is risky but the kind of risk small-market teams have to take. (The big market teams shouldn’t complain, they want to hog all the championships, and they do, so the other teams have to find less desirable and more creative ways to market their clubs, such as around fan favorite ballplayers)

Of course, Votto could tear our his ACL tomorrow and the Reds could move to Winnipeg in 2024.

Financial Uproar
3 years 4 months ago


Teams like the Reds don’t get many chances to put their logos on Hall of Fame busts much these days.”

Votto has had 3 nice seasons, plus a pretty good 2008. Let’s not put him in Cooperstown quite yet.

bigpat
3 years 4 months ago

 I probably would be but I’d be scared as well. It’s a tough situation when you are a fan because when something like this happens, you are very happy because your best player is going to be on your team for life, but nowdays we always look at the financial aspects of things and overanalyze. Sometimes you just have to enjoy the moment I suppose.

3 years 4 months ago

Votto is now the franchise player.  Love how he will always be a Red just like my fav. player of all time Barry Larkin. Assuming he does not get traded down the road. wonder if there is a no trade clause for any of the years?