Competitive Balance Lottery Takes Place Today

Baseball’s first Competitive Balance Lottery takes place today, when small-market and low-revenue teams will have the chance to win extra selections in next year’s amateur draft. The ten smallest-market teams and ten lowest-revenue teams will have the chance to win extra selections in 2013, Jonathan Mayo of reports. 

There’s overlap between small-market teams and low-revenue teams, so there are 13 clubs involved in the first-round lottery: the Diamondbacks, Orioles, Indians, Royals, Athletics, Pirates, Padres, Rays, Reds, Rockies, Marlins, Brewers and Cardinals. The first six selections will be made between the first and second rounds of next year’s draft. A second group of six picks will be available to the teams from the first group that didn’t get an early pick, plus the Tigers. The second group of selections will be made after the second round of the draft. 

MLB teams can trade the draft picks they obtain in the Competitive Balance Lottery. The picks, which can only be traded once, cannot be sold or traded during the offseason. In theory, the draft picks could be involved in some of this summer’s deadline deals. 

The lottery takes place today at 12:30pm CDT/1:30pm EDT in New York and the winners will be announced 75 minutes later. A team’s chances of winning depend on its winning percentage from the previous season.

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  1. JesseeA 3 years ago

    Am I the only one who finds this… bizarre?

    • MLB is looking more Japanese game show than major league every day.

    • MB923 3 years ago

       With 8 likes and counting, the answer is clearly No

    • Ken Roucka 3 years ago

      I agree.

      All but the Royals, A’s and Rays have very modern facilities. The Red Sox and the Cubs are dealing with 100 year old parks that they have to try to wring every dime out of.

      The Cards are hardly small market. They are a regional favorite that draws fans from all over the midwest. The Marlins just backed up the truck for three free agents this year.

      This is rife with problems. In my 40 years the Orioles, Indians, Royals, A’s, Pirates, Reds & Cards have all had long stretchs of being competetive even while being in a “small market”. 

      I’m surprised Reinsdorf wasn’t able to convince his pal Bud to shoe horn the White Sox into this group. He regularly refers to his team as small market.

      • Seals 3 years ago

        I’m a Cardinals fan and I agree. Don’t get me wrong, I like getting an extra pick but this is pretty ridiculous. Shouldn’t the payroll of those teams go into it?

      • Matt Talken 3 years ago

        Even though Ken’s usage of “market” is technically inaccurate (by using the real definition of what a market is, St. Louis is one of the smallest in baseball), his overall point is still very accurate. The Cardinals draw television ratings from a much larger area and the local fanbase is far more devoted to this team than the fans in most larger cities, so the Cardinals are technically a small market team, but they’re a small market team the way the Green Bay Packers are in the NFL.

        Arguing over semantics for a team that is certainly doing quite well when it comes to revenues is silly.

        I’m also a Cardinals fan and while I like my team being on this list because it could potentially help them, it doesn’t fit. In fact, the team that Ken used as an example in the White Sox probably are a more needy team when it comes to getting help than the Cardinals are. Regardless, like I said–it benefits my team, so I’m down with it. 😉

        • Ken Roucka 3 years ago

          I may not have articulated my point well enough but you have the jist of it. Thank you.

  2. How is St. Louis in there? Makes no sense. Then again, nothing about this makes sense, especially if you can’t spend money in the draft.

    • Nick Butler 3 years ago

       St. Louis is there because they are a small market team.

      • mrsjohnmiltonrocks 3 years ago

         Uh, a small market team that consistently draws over 3 million is not really a small market team.  A ‘small’ market team that consistently has a payroll near or over 100 million is not really a ‘small’ market team. 

        • Ben Cerutti 3 years ago

          Just because we have great fans doesn’t mean that we should be punished for being in a smaller market than most of the other teams in the league. The fact that the fans come out enables the team to spend over $100M on payroll. However, with the lavish TV contracts being signed on the coasts, the Cardinals are going to start falling behind badly in the revenue stream, like these other teams, without this draft. I like it.

          •  Great fans? The Cards are usually a winning team. The Cubs have great fans.

          • stl_cards16 3 years ago

            They had the lowest attendance last year in how long? No teams draw a crowd when the team is bad.

        • CyYoungSuppan 3 years ago

           Please look up the definition of what a sports market is.  Milwaukee is the smallest in the league, yet they draw over 3 million regularly now.

      • Ken Roucka 3 years ago

        The Cards are hardly small market. They are a regional team, like the Red Sox & Cubs, that draws fans from all over the midwest.

    • jwsox 3 years ago

      They may be a “small market” which I have a problem calling st Louis a small market and I live in a Chicago suburb and I see cards commercials up here. But your shouldn’t be in a competitive balance lottery when you just won the world series.

  3. Jays Fan 3 years ago

    What I find funny, is that of that list of 13 teams, most if not all of them are pretty competitive… I don’t see the point in giving teams extra draft picks solely on the basis of their “revenue” or “market”.

    • nick bruggeman 3 years ago

      Its goes by last years record.  Next year some of these teams wont be on the list since next years draft will be based off of this years record.  I take that back,  some of them will still be there because of local revenue.

      • Jays Fan 3 years ago

        When the defending World Series Champions are being rewarded with extra draft picks on a competitive balance list… I shake my head.

        • Nick Butler 3 years ago

           Its because St. Louis is considered a small market team. The Cardinals fall into the bottom 10 of mlb teams in terms of market share

          • flickadave 3 years ago

            That doesn’t mean that it makes sense.

  4. bigpat 3 years ago

    This is very odd, I never knew you can trade the picks, this whole thing seemingly came out of nowhere.

    Oh well, I hope the Pirates get a first rounder, having two picks in round 1 plus the comp pick will be awesome coming off what is likely their best season in 20 years. If they trade a few prospects they will be able to reload with this draft for sure. 

  5. I don’t get the reference with the Tigers.  Why are they there?

    • mrsjohnmiltonrocks 3 years ago

       Yeah, why the Tigers and the Cardinals and the Brewers? 

      All three of those teams draw remarkably well and the Tigers and Cardinals have payrolls over 100 million and the Brewers have a payroll close to 90 million.  I do not understand their inclusion at all. 

      • It is because of the total market.  To draw 3mm fans in Milwaukee or St. Louis, every person in that market has to go to 1.76 games, and 1.42 games per year, respectively.  Compare that to say the Yankees, every person has to go to .13 games/year.  Both are very small markets.

      • LarrySellers 3 years ago

        The Brewers are absolutely one of the teams deserving to be on here.  Just because they have great fans doesn’t mean they aren’t one of the smallest markets in pro sports.  Joseph K nailed it. The fact that Milwaukee draws 3million fans a year is pretty impressive in my opinion.

      • stl_cards16 3 years ago

        Because neither payroll or attendance has anything to do with your market size. Just because some teams in small markets have been successful in maxing out their market, doesn’t mean they shouldn’t be treated as small market teams.

    • Sky14 3 years ago

      I don’t get it either. A team that just this past off season committed to a $214 million contract to one player isn’t at a competitive disadvantage. 

  6. Then the GMs face off in physical challenges and feats of strength for special “jump in front of the waiver line” cards.

  7. BD 3 years ago

    I seem to remember reading that if you trade for one of these picks, it holds half of the slot value for the receiving team (or something like this).  Anybody else have any idea what I’m talking about?

  8. BlueSkyLA 3 years ago

    This system looks like it might be useful on the surface, but in reality is competitive balance in name only. It’s really a token sop to small-market teams, many of which will never be competitive for more than short stretches, if ever. Even if these teams manage to select a top player between the rounds, everybody knows what will happen when that player goes to arbitration. The fundamental problem in baseball is that small-market teams are at a structural disadvantage. MLB refuses to address that problem. Don’t be fooled by this paper-over job.

    • alxn 3 years ago

      The only way to fully address that problem is contraction.

      • BlueSkyLA 3 years ago

        I don’t agree. The financial capabilities of teams only got totally out of whack when media became such a big part of their revenue picture. I won’t repeat what others have already said so well, but to summarize, a team that fields a competitive team on a regular basis will put fans in the seats. Keeping the smaller-market teams on a perpetually muddy slope, and then blaming the city for not having enough fans, seems like a perfect self-fulfilling prophecy.

        • alxn 3 years ago

          How do you explain the Rays then, or the A’s of the early 2000’s?

          • BlueSkyLA 3 years ago

            Low payroll teams can be competitive when the stars align, but when they don’t align, those teams will be noncompetitive. More often than not, the stars will not align. Your own example of the A’s since the early 2000s is case in point.

          • alxn 3 years ago

            My point was that the fans never showed despite having very competitive teams that made the playoffs several times over a long period of time.

          • BlueSkyLA 3 years ago

            First of all I wouldn’t say that it was necessarily a long period of time for either of these teams, and I also wouldn’t say being competitive made no difference to the fans. In their brief glory years, the A’s were drawing good crowds, around the middle of the pack for all teams. When their fortunes declined, the fans stayed away in droves, and now they are in the attendance basement. Look also at the Mariners. When then were competitive ten and more years ago, they were drawing more fans per game than any team in MLB. Compare to today.

  9. BlueSkyLA 3 years ago

    This plan does nothing to restore competitive balance. Small-market teams are at a structural competitive disadvantage. MLB refuses to address the structural issues.

  10. RHova87 3 years ago

    this is a joke…MLB got it very wrong…

  11. Ken Roucka 3 years ago

    This should be looking a profit too rather than just revenue. It was just a few years ago that Deadspin exposed the Pirates & Royals as teams that were pocketing loads of cash even though they are “low revenue”.

  12. Vmmercan 3 years ago

    Ah, the affirmative action of MLB. Very nice.

    • ratmoss 3 years ago

      I prefer to think of it as “redistribution of wealth.”  Seriously, I don’t think any of these supposedly small market teams’ owners are crying poor.  If it were not economically feasible to field a team in Milwaukee, or Detroit, or St. Louis any one of these businesspeople would close up shop or move the team somewhere where the money is. 

  13. flickadave 3 years ago

    I’m going to go out on a limb and say that any team that makes the playoffs the year before probably doesn’t need an extra pick to help them with “competitive balance”. Bud Selig is just a horrible, horrible commish.

    • stl_cards16 3 years ago

      You do realize this is on the CBA, every owner agreed to it. It was probably either a better revenue sharing system, which big markets obviously wouldn’t like, or this. Large markets still hold a HUGE advantage that a couple draft picks cannot make up.

      • flickadave 3 years ago

        Yes, I do realize that this is in the new CBA. That still doesn’t make it a good idea. I would love to know how St. Louis is a small market when they drew the 6th most people to their games last year. Did you miss the part that called this the “competitive balance” draft lottery? I would think that the defending world series champs don’t need much help with “competitive balance”. The Cubs need help, not the Cards and yet the Cubs get no shot at extra picks.

  14. Jays Fan 3 years ago

    Since Alex Anthopolous LOVES draft picks, maybe he should move the Jays to Saskatoon… and tap into this small market advantage!

  15. marketbuzz 3 years ago

    I could see a “crappy” team draft, but many of those teams are good, and have been in the playoffs…. how would being more “competitive” help them if being a playoff team already isnt good enough?

  16. I just think they went too far giving TEN teams from both low revenue and market status.  It’s way too many!  If they honored the FIVE lowest teams from each list I think most of us would agree the list looked justifiable.  Ten is one third of the entire MLB!  It’s way too many to consider it balance…

  17. How are the Blue Jays not on this list of “small market teams”? 

    • Ken Roucka 3 years ago

      and the Twins

    • Jays Fan 3 years ago

      Apparently Bud Selig considers “Canada” a large market. Not to mention, Rogers Communications is one of the richest owners in MLB. Selig is just pissed off at Toronto because AA took his new draft rules and devised a clever plan to pretty much find an advantage and use it.

      Having said that, it isn’t like Rogers is going to open the vault for the Jays, and even if they did, AA wont splurge like JPR did. He doesn’t believe in deals over 5 years.

    • Because Toronto has a population of 6.6 million, which at that number is already the fourth-biggest city in the US & Canada… not including the rest of Canada (another 28 million), which apparently counts as Toronto’s market.  Let me ask those Vancouverites if they’ll drive down to the Rogers Centre for a game this season.

      Of course, there’s probably other things to consider when making a “competitive balance lottery” than population, but you’d have to take that up with Selig.

    • stl_cards16 3 years ago

      The Blue Jays? Haha. I can make an argument for a few teams and the Jays aren’t one.

      •  Why not the Jays? Population of city has nothing to do with it. I live in Phoenix (one of the top 10 most populated cities in the nation) and the Dbacks are considered a small market.

        When you look at the Jays– low payroll, crappy stadium, terrible fan attendance. Definition of a small market team.

  18. NOT KIDDING 3 years ago

    Because Toronto is a huge city, bigger than all but NYC, LA, and Chicago. 

  19. jeff watson 3 years ago

    How come Baltimore and Washington are considered the same area when splitting up tv revenue, but completely different markets when handing out extra draft picks?  Maybe Selig would have been better off creating a crappy owner  draft.

  20. I have an idea: how about giving bad teams higher draft picks! That should help even out the landscape. Oh, wait…

    • Jays Fan 3 years ago

      Or how about dismantling the AL East powerhouse and spreading some of the teams out to the other divisions so we dont see .500 teams making the playoffs while .600 teams stay home. (and NO Im not referring to the Jays… we’re not there yet… lol)

  21. Since these lottery picks are between the 1st and 2nd rounds, and compensation picks are between the 1st and 2nd rounds as well, does anyone know which picks come first?  This could have a lot to do with the value of these lottery picks, and I’m amazed (not really) at the number of posts and no one even questioned this, choosing instead to rant about meaningless drivel.

  22. Edgar4evar 3 years ago

    So five of the eight playoff teams from 2011 will get “competitive balance” picks in 2013? I don’t think the word “balance” means what Bud Selig thinks it means.

    Want to add balance? Put a third baseball team in NYC or one in New Jersey.

  23. DempseyK 3 years ago

    Man, I really hope the Pirates win the lottery for one of the first 1 or 2 picks…

    They would very well wind up with the 9th, 22nd-30th, and the 31st-36th overall picks

    3 picks inside the first 35 overall would be incredible.  Supposed to be a pitching deep draft too.  Might make parting ways with Taillon a bit easier to swallow if we are confident that we can replace him with an advanced college arm that would project to be big league ready at about the same time Taillon would be.

    If you can replace an advanced high school arm with an advanced college arm, you should be losing too much MLB  service time as the college arm would be big league ready faster and kinda break even with a high schooler with 1-2 years of minor league ball under there belt.

    Just my 2 cents

  24. How’s this for a “competitive balance” lottery:
    Every consecutive season you have been at .500 or below, you receive one ball.
    Every consecutive season you’ve missed the playoffs, you receive one ball.
    First six balls chosen get first-round sandwich picks (can only get one pick); next six balls chosen get second-round sandwich picks. Everyone else gets nothing.
    So this season, we would get:
    Team: # of Balls (losing seasons + no playoffs):
    Pittsburgh: 38 (19+19)
    Washington: 37 (8+29)
    Kansas City: 34 (8+26)
    Baltimore: 28 (14+14)
    Toronto: 19 (1+18)
    Seattle: 12 (2+10)
    Oakland: 10 (5+5)
    Cleveland: 10 (5+5)
    Miami: 10 (2+8)
    Houston: 9 (3+6)
    Mets: 8 (3+5)
    San Diego: 6 (1+5)
    Cubs: 5 (2+3)
    White Sox: 4 (1+3)
    Colorado: 3 (1+2)
    Boston: 2 (0+2)
    Minnesota: 2 (1+1)
    Cincinnati: 2 (1+1)
    Angels: 2 (0+2)
    Dodgers: 2 (0+2)
    Atlanta: 1 (0+1)
    San Francisco: 1 (0+1)
    Looks like a fair result to me.
    “Oh, but therednorth, that would just create a system that rewards mediocrity.” What do you think the draft is? It’s a system that rewards mediocrity.

    • BlueSkyLA 3 years ago

      I can see you put a lot of thought into this but I think you begin with a faulty premise. Mediocrity and failure should not be recognized or rewarded by the draft or any other equalization system. The problem is revenue imbalance.

  25. jwsox 3 years ago

    This should have nothing to do with market size, because miami is such a SMALL market right? that’s what revenue sharing is SUPPOSED to be for, that system needs to be revamped to stop owners from pocketing that money. It should be the ten worst teams last year by record getting an extra pick. That’s all.

  26. DaCubsDaBears 3 years ago

    You oughta get a pick if you go over 100 years without winnin a World Series.

  27. This will do little to restore competitive balance. Low revenue teams can win with strong player development, and high revenue teams can lose with bad investments(Cubs) and poor development. In addition, small market teams with strong fan bases can have large payrolls and be quite successful(Tigers and Cardinals 100 mil+). Why not figure in winning percentage like the basketball lottery? Not that it works any better for ensuring competitive balance but it makes a whole lot more sense.

  28. bigpat 3 years ago

     Theo Epstein- “When will it be my turn?”

  29. Ken Roucka 3 years ago

    And the Cubs have the oldest park, with the fewest sky boxes and the least amount of parking, that they have to pay to maintain….but the poor little tiny market teams with the shiny new publicly funded stadiums with hundreds of luxury boxes need help. (sniff)

  30.  He’s coming off as Monte Hall in this whole rework of the rules.  If teams don’t like their competitive balance lottery pick, they can take a prize from behind the curtain or go home with what’s in the big box.

  31. Nick Butler 3 years ago


  32.  Tell that to the Rays…

  33. AaronAngst 3 years ago

    I wouldn’t lump Milwaukee in with the rest – they are the smallest market by a pretty fair margin, and until recently, did not have the ownership in place that was willing to spend to put a competitive product on the field. Drafting quality players had little to do with it – being able to keep those players beyond their early arbitration years did. St. Louis has not created a model – they easily outspent every team but the Cubs until just recently.

  34. jwsox 3 years ago

    St Louis is the model for every small market team to
    Follow? What get lucky in the draft in what the 20 th round and draft the best player in all of baseball for the past decade and a guy who will go down as one of the best all time?

  35. Like it or not the Cards ARE in a small market.  The argument SHOULD be why TEN teams from each (Market + Revenue)??  If they made it, say, 6 of the lowest teams we would all say “YES, this makes sense”.  Ten seems like such an arbitrary numbers… and too many.

  36. BlueSkyLA 3 years ago

    Exactly, but you are arguing it will never happen simply because it hasn’t yet. The teams with the big media revenues certainly will not WANT to share more revenue than they do now, but that doesn’t mean that MLB is unable to require them to do it. The teams already share revenue, just not enough to close the embarrassing 5:1 payroll gap. A salary cap is a completely separate issue. A cap is not in any way, shape or form connected to revenue sharing. We could have a fairer revenue sharing system with stronger leadership from the commissioner. Maybe when Selig finally retires we will get a real commissioner, but I would not count on it. In the meantime, we have to live with token efforts like this one.

  37. Ken Roucka 3 years ago

    Actually if they completely shared ALL revenue they wouldn’t need a salary cap as much as they would need a salary floor to prevent some teams from just pocketing cash.

  38. NOT KIDDING 3 years ago

     Err … did you mean Charlotte?  Because I’m pretty sure the “historically bad” conversation starts with this year’s Bobcats. 

  39. Ken Roucka 3 years ago

    You are not a small market team. You draw from Springfield, IL, Memphis, Indianapolis, Arkansas. You’re a regional team. The Giants are a smaller market than St Louis if you factor in that they have to split the bay area with the A’s and they have other teams within 200 miles of them unlike the Cards.

  40. mcSTL 3 years ago

    The casino is owned by Pinnacle Entertainment.  The Cardinals have nothing to do with it.

  41. LazerTown 3 years ago

    The Cards have the 4th highest attendence in all baseball this year.  They should be getting decent revenue out of that.

  42. Ken Roucka 3 years ago

    They are in a small market (St Louis) but they are not a small market team because they don’t have another team within 250 miles of them so they draw from the region. That’s the flaw with this looking at just the size of the market the team is in.

  43. Ken Roucka 3 years ago

    7 mil divded by two is 3.5. what is st louis (actually all of MO except KC) + southern IL + memphis + arkansas? More than 3.5 mil

  44. stl_cards16 3 years ago

    Someone doesn’t know what “market” is. The Panes have fans all over California, that’s still not I.eluded in NY’s market.

  45. stl_cards16 3 years ago

    The only seasons the Cubs are still on Wrigley’s is to make money off of it. By the way, the Cardinals ARE in a small market and they DID pay for their own stadium. Poor little twice the revenue Cubbies(sniff)

  46. Karkat 3 years ago

    Kansas City…?

  47. chaifetz10 3 years ago

    Probably nothing more than the marketing deals made by every other MLB team. I promise you the Cardinals are not the only team bringing in advertising money.

  48. Ken Roucka 3 years ago

    That’s right the internationally loved Royals are about 248 miles from them so you got me.

    The Cubs and Sox are ten miles apart and have a team 90 miles north. As well as three other teams within 300 miles.

  49. chaifetz10 3 years ago

    Not to mention much of the region is shared with other teams like the Cubs, White Sox, Royals, and even Reds. Other than Southern Illinois and Eastern Missouri, the “regional market” idea is actually quite fractured and shared with other teams.

  50. chaifetz10 3 years ago

    So winning and market size have to be related? Why not just give the Yankees the WS every year then?

    People are confusing success and business savvy with market size.

  51. stl_cards16 3 years ago

    Haha. I guess I need to stay off the comments on my phone. That was supposed to be…….The Yankees have fans all over California, that doesn’t mean its included in the NY market.

  52. Fun fact: fan support has more to do with whether a team wins games than by whether it’s a “baseball city.”

    For example:
    Montreal: One playoff appearance in the 36 seasons of their existence.  Also, lost a second playoff appearance to the 1994 strike, when the Expos were the favourites to win the Series.
    Tampa: Okay, you get this one.
    Miami: The team that became famous for their $10 million payroll.
    San Diego: Have not made the playoffs since 2006; have not seriously contended since 1998.
    Cleveland: Have made the playoffs once since 2002.
    Seattle: Four playoff appearances in their entire 35-season existence.  None since 2001.
    Oakland: No winning records since 2006.
    Houston: Have not made the playoffs since 2005.  Lost 106 games last season.
    Toronto: Have not made the playoffs since 1993.  Has not been in a wild-card race since 1993.

    Fans don’t watch bad teams.  Oh they’ll come out if the team was good recently, but years and years of losing is what makes fans quit.  Put the Yankees in any of these markets and they’ll be near the top of the league in attendance within five years.

  53. Ken Roucka 3 years ago

    Seattle is a beautiful city. You obviously haven’t been there and have just bought into the “Hollywood” myth that it’s always raining. It rains there in the winter because it usually doesn’t get cold enough to snow. The summers have less rain than Chicago, LA & NY.

  54. George Hareras 3 years ago

    thank you for not adding Pittsburgh

     A Pirates fan

  55. atfm25 3 years ago

    You forgot a team. How about the Cubs? Haven’t won since 1908 and always give out horrible contracts that drive up the price for other free agents. I think teams like that are worse for baseball than teams with poor attendance.

  56. chaifetz10 3 years ago

    You do realize that every market has a deal with a casino right? (or pretty close to it). If anything the Cardinals are behind by not having a mega broadcasting contract.

  57. Karkat 3 years ago

    Wow, I didn’t actually realize there was that much Missouri

  58. Ken Roucka 3 years ago

    He said due to lack of fan support and revenue. I don’t think the Cubs have problems with either of those.

  59. OrangeCards 3 years ago

     You mean MLB isn’t about the love of the game?

  60. Ken Roucka 3 years ago

    Don’t be ridiculous. 3000 miles away wouldn’t be included in a market. 300 miles certainly can be

  61. Ken Roucka 3 years ago

    Regional market idea not fractured. memphis (west tenn), arkansas, nashville, louisville are not shared. Solidly cardinal country. the cards have a nearly 250 mile radius without another team. very regionally strong.

  62. sam_lammert 3 years ago

    did you guys enjoy your world series win last season? oh wait that’s right we won..

  63. alxn 3 years ago

    The only reason the Cubs are still in Wrigley is to make money off of it.
    It’s true, the Cubs could have easily built a brand new publicly-funded stadium just like the White Sox did. No one feels sorry for them for milking their historic park for all it is worth. 

  64. stl_cards16 3 years ago

    Sorry, I’m on my phone. But if you can’t make out what that’s supposed to be, I’d say you have bigger problems than my annoying, small keypad.

  65. BlueSkyLA 3 years ago

    I get it, but it seems that whenever I raise the issue of more revenue sharing in baseball, the response is that it’s somehow tied to a salary cap. The two are completely separate issues, and you don’t have to buy a salary cap to be in favor of more revenue sharing. The “luxury tax” and this new “competitive balance” thing are tacit recognitions by MLB that the current system is broken, but also that the commissioner has no will to fix the actual problem.

  66. WeDontNeedToFinPracticeRANDY 3 years ago

    So with that theory, you could once again make San Fran’s market 7 million. I’m not following your logic here…Then there’s the fact that how many fans in the Midwest are actually willing to travel that 300-400 miles to go watch a Cards game? The ones that are that far away normally end up going to maybe 1 or 2 a year, if that. As for Illinois, unless you’re in Chicago, Cubs fans and Cards fans split the rest of the state. I definitely don’t see us as a “small” market, but putting us on the same potential level market as San Fran is absurd.

  67. alxn 3 years ago

    Market size is a pretty lazy way to determine who is at a competitive disadvantage. Just because a market is small does not mean that it is a bad market. St. Louis is a great baseball market. These picks should be reserved for teams like Tampa Bay, who are inherently at a disadvantage and do everything they can to get fans to come to games, with no success.

  68. nepp 3 years ago

     Seattle is awesome from late May to early Sept…the weather sucks the rest of the year.

    That’s alot of places though.  Seattle in the summer is pretty hard to top for great weather.

    ~lived there 3 years~

  69. WeDontNeedToFinPracticeRANDY 3 years ago

    I would have to disagree on Arkansas and Louisville not being shared. Outside of Northern Arkansas, the Braves have a HUGE presence…In Louisville’s case, I can definitely tell you that nobody even thinks about being anything other than a Reds fan…It’s less than 2 hours to Cincinnati, while it is over 4 to St. Louis (?).

  70. CyYoungSuppan 3 years ago

     Except that isn’t their market.  The Brewers have the smallest market in the league, but they draw the whole state to go to their games.  If you do that, then you MUST do that for every other team out there.  I bet you the Yankees draw fans from upstate NY.  LA from NoCal, etc etc.  You are losing this discussion because you’re arguing against facts. 

  71. Your ace Romero is doing very well once again.  The jays are looking like a contender today

  72. jwsox 3 years ago

    To be fair Nelson Cruz lost the rangers the world series more so than the cards winning it. Just messing around

  73. Ken Roucka 3 years ago

    The Brewers split the west of WI with the Twins. the Yanks I’m not concerned about. You’re arguing against facts. Are you telling me the Red Sox don’t draw from all of New England? The Dodgers have competition in NoCal (Giants & A’s) The Cards have no other MLB team for 250 miles. They have an entire region to themselves and have for 100 years.

  74. walk off bombs are good i hear, tied for WC is also good, 2.5 up on the jays is also good. with a bunch of no bodies seems quite good

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