Phillies Discussing Victorino Trades

The Phillies are trying to trade Shane Victorino for bullpen help, Jim Bowden of ESPN.com and MLB Network Radio reports (Twitter links). They realize they'll have to pay part of his $9.5MM salary to facilitate a trade. 

The Dodgers and Reds continue to talk to the Phillies, according to Bowden. The Phillies are interested in a Victorino for Logan Ondrusek swap or a Victorino for Josh Lindblom deal, Bowden reports. The Pirates and Yankees have also been linked to Victorino. The Orioles like Victorino as well, Roch Kubatkoā€¸ of MASNsports.com reports (on Twitter).


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93 Comments on "Phillies Discussing Victorino Trades"


3 years 3 days ago

lindblom for victorino? i prefer hunter pence

Tmandolfan
3 years 3 days ago

And I’d prefer to live in a palace and be served grapes by smoking hot babes half my age. Not everybody is selling at 10 cents on the dollar like the Marlins are. There isn’t a team in baseball that couldn’t have cobbled together a better package than two stiffs with losing records for Hanley that the Dodgers landed him for.

nm344
3 years 3 days ago

Nobody else wanted any part of Hanley with his full salary. Dodgers are wasting money left and right.

vtadave
3 years 3 days ago

Yeah because upgrading from the great Juan Uribe is a bad thing? Fail of a post.

vtadave
3 years 3 days ago

I’d settle for smoking hot babes 75% of my age, but that’s just me. I’d even live somewhere a step down from a palace if that were possible.

BlueSkyLA
BlueSkyLA
3 years 3 days ago

The worst part about it is, he’s only 22.

txftw
3 years 3 days ago

I’m glad someone made that joke, it needed to be done

3 years 3 days ago

While you’re at it, we’ll throw in Hamels and pay for 90% of his contract.

TophersReds
3 years 3 days ago

Apparently the Reds already turned down the Ondrusek for Victorino deal. We have a lot of bullpen depth, so that’s kind of weird to turn it down.

grant77
3 years 3 days ago

19 walks and 25 K’s in 36 innings for Ondrusek. Amaro isn’t the sharpest tool in the shed, but I doubt he is stupid enough to go after him as anything more than a throw-in.

First Bleed
3 years 3 days ago

seems like the Reds covet Ondrusek a little too much.. RP can be replaced.

Jacob
3 years 3 days ago

From what John Fay said, he suspects Philly wanted Ondrusek and a prospect, which is why the Reds balked. They’d be crazy not to take Ondrusek for Victorino straight up, especially when you can bring Hoover back from Louisville and basically have the same numbers you get from Ondrusek.

3 years 3 days ago

I can see a Stubbs, Gregorius and an MLB RP for Pence and cash coming to the table at some point by July 31st.

RMR
3 years 3 days ago

I believe it’s not just talent but an issue of money as well. Adding a few million bucks is no small thing for the Reds.

3 years 3 days ago

Victorino would have to play LF because of Kemp and Ethier at CF and RF

thegrayrace
3 years 3 days ago

Kemp and Ethier are both capable of playing LF. Might be a good thing for Kemp to avoid re-injuring the hamstring.

BlueSkyLA
BlueSkyLA
3 years 3 days ago

More likely Ethier goes into left, but given what we’ve already got in LF I don’t see much point in Victorino. Better defense, yes, more speed, yes. But otherwise, not a real upgrade. Lindblom is more useful than the difference between Victorino and Rivera.

thegrayrace
3 years 3 days ago

Agreed. I’m not a big fan of this trade proposal with Victorino putting up a .700 OPS. Hunter Pence would be worth Lindblom (and more), though.

3 years 3 days ago

way more than lindblom.

nepp
3 years 3 days ago

Well, Vic is a better defender than either of them so one of them would move.

3 years 3 days ago

I would give them Lindblom and another prospect for pence.

3 years 3 days ago

and Lindbloms 9hrs that he gives up every time the game is tied or up by one.

3 years 3 days ago

like ive said before wont happen they paid a hell of a lot more for pence he wont go that cheap.

grant77
3 years 3 days ago

Getting Victorino for a replaceable reliever would be a coup for either team.

mgsports
3 years 3 days ago

To the Nats with Mark M. coming over from the Red Sox?

johnsilver
3 years 3 days ago

Might be just as well taking Matty Albers, Padilla or Mortenson. Boston would flip Victorino themselves, or then move Ellsbury though. They don’t need him.Boston ATM has too many relievers and Bailey is about to come off the DL

Tacho Bill
3 years 3 days ago

The Pirates offered my favorite RP, Jared Hughes, and a MiLB player for him. I hope we keep Jared. He’s so intense!

bigpat
3 years 3 days ago

I must admit I’d be a little bummed if I have to see Hughes’ maniac expressions and excessive tongue waging in a different jersey. I would have been happy with that deal though.

connfyoozed
3 years 3 days ago

Agreed… but the Pirates leadoff situation and lack of bench depth is close to desperate status. I would not at all like to lose Lincoln or Hughes… but I would get over it if Victorino comes to Pittsburgh and benefits from the change in scenery. I guess I am on the fence with this.

bigpat
3 years 3 days ago

I don’t think their bench is too bad it’s just that Hurdle doesn’t use them. They have no LH bat off the bench when Presley and Jones start. Hurdle had the tendency to start a guy a few games in a row then just completely forget about him after that. Did it with Harrison, Hague, Sutton, and even Mckenry to an extent. Mercer was never given a shot.

Not sure what they are going to do but things may have gotten a little simpler since Marte got called up. I am also on the fence with Victorino, it’s a tough call.

Jeff Snedden
3 years 3 days ago

I would be very unhappy if the Bucs traded Hughes or Lincoln for Shane Victorino. Both are very intense, high quality bullpen arms that are just at the tip of their potential. Once the Phillies come to their senses and realize they are out of contention for 2012, perhaps they would make a deal for one of our major league ready AAA starters. If Hughes/Lincoln are in a deal for a Phillie, it needs to be Hunter Pence and include a bunch of cash coming with him.

3 years 3 days ago

if pirates were to get hunter a top outfielder would be in the deal no pence for crap we paid alot for him we wont sell cheap mccutchen would have to come our way sorry.

Jeff Snedden
3 years 3 days ago

There isn’t 5 Phillies that I would accept in a trade for Andrew McCutchen, and that include Lee/Halladay/Hamels/Pence/Schmidt/Ashburn/anyone.

3 years 3 days ago

yeah, 3 Hunter Pence’s alone couldn’t get Cutch away from pittsburge

3 years 3 days ago

Just say no to Victorino, especially if it costs Lindblom. LA fans do not want the cryin’ hawaiian.

grant77
3 years 3 days ago

You can trade some junk prospect for a guy like Brandon Lyon and not miss a beat in the bullpen, while upgrading the outfield.

3 years 3 days ago

Or Dodgers can send some quality prospects to get Pence and really upgrade the outfield. Victorino isn’t that much of an upgrade.

Phillies_Aces35
3 years 3 days ago

I don’t see a deal getting done (at least hopefully) without getting Zach Lee or Allen Webster back in a deal for Hunter Pence.

I’m not sure I’m all that high on a lot of the Dodgers prospects. They have some good arms but they’re not that different from anything we already have in OUR system.

nepp
3 years 3 days ago

Still bitter about ’08 & ’09?

3 years 3 days ago

Nope, not bitter at all. He’s a whiner. Don’t want.

Hey Its Placido Polanco
3 years 3 days ago

Yeah – crazy of him to prefer to get hit in the midsection instead of the head like has been done for 100 years. What a whiner.

By the way, Jonathan Broxton was neat. xoxoxoxo

DempseyK
3 years 3 days ago

Pirates offered hughes and a minor leaguer as a counteroffer to the phillies requesting brad lincoln. happy that we quickly said no to that deal. lincoln is the future closer in pittsbhrgh, is cheap with a few years of team control remaining and is just an absolute bulldog out of the pen. hopefully amaro comes around and does the deal for jared and a minor leaguer.

connfyoozed
3 years 3 days ago

Jared Hughes has been very impressive so far this season. I like Victorino, but the Phils would be doing just fine if they were able to get Hughes in return.

Nick Paradise
3 years 3 days ago

Bryan Morris? I think he has a good chance of having some stellar MLB years. And he’s young and cheap. It’s not like the Phillies have a shot at this season.

3 years 3 days ago

pence for mccutchen that sounds good what you think

3 years 3 days ago

relievers for an outfielder? lolwut

TommyL
3 years 3 days ago

The Dodgers just added a bullpen arm (Choates) in the Hanley Ramirez trade. They can afford to trade a reliever for another bat.

BlueSkyLA
BlueSkyLA
3 years 3 days ago

So where’s the bat? Victorino isn’t an offensive upgrade over Rivera.

vtadave
3 years 3 days ago

Rivera is sub-replacement level while Victorino has a 2.1 WAR. Now I know a lot of that is due to defensive value, but I’m pretty sure Victorino would still be an offensive upgrade.

BlueSkyLA
BlueSkyLA
3 years 3 days ago

Ain’t gonna study WAR no more.

TommyL
3 years 3 days ago

I disagree and I think their stats bear that out. Plus, he’s an upgrade defensively. Rivera continues to platoon with Loney, occasionally spells one of the outfielders and provides power off the bench.

BlueSkyLA
BlueSkyLA
3 years 3 days ago

Victorino: .253/.318/.388/.706
Rivera: .256/.294/.370/.664

The difference is marginal at best, and isn’t worth Lindblom IMO.

Hey Its Placido Polanco
3 years 3 days ago

Except one of those guys is normally better then that. And if you take a look, Victorino has heated up lately. He looks like he’s returning to “normal”.

BlueSkyLA
BlueSkyLA
3 years 3 days ago

Not so much. Career numbers:

Rivera: .275/.325/.444/.769
Victorino: .276/.342/.433/.775

Phillies_Aces35
3 years 3 days ago

You’re improving your outfield defense by shifting Kemp or Either to left field (plus, removing Abreu/Rivera) and improving the lead off spot in your order.

Hey Its Placido Polanco
3 years 3 days ago

If you take away the parts of the game where Victorino excels (speed, defense, switch hitting) then they look even. But….they’re not. Juan Rivera has no position, Victorino’s a gold glove defender at a premium position. Victorino is a 30 SB guy, Rivera has 17 career steals. Rivera’s got terrible postseason numbers, Victorino has excelled in the postseason compared to his regular season. I know going with a simple slash line to compare career numbers of a power hitter vs. a doubles guy suits your point, but you can’t ignore other factors.

BlueSkyLA
BlueSkyLA
3 years 3 days ago

I already acknowledged that he upgrades in the speed and defense departments, but that’s not really where the improvements are really needed. That was my point.

3 years 3 days ago

The Reds will NOT make any moves.. Chemistry on this team should not be disrupted, we have the best bullpen in MLB, a top 3 pitching staff and the best defense in MLB, and an offense that is starting to get HOT, leave this team alone

oz10
3 years 3 days ago

technically Washington has a better bullpen. Better ERA and a lot more holds.

3 years 3 days ago

You wanna look again.. 2.48 ERA, best in MLB..

oz10
3 years 3 days ago

Sorry, meant runs per game which includes inherited runners, they are third in that which is a more telling stat.

Jorden
3 years 3 days ago

Lindblom for an unimpressive rental…No thanks.

Lindblom + for Pence and we’re talking.

randyfastman
3 years 3 days ago

unless that “+” is Zach Lee, nobody is talking

3 years 3 days ago

Victorino seems a perfect match for the indians who have lots of relief pitching and who need a guy who can hit LH pitching.

3 years 3 days ago

Lindblom is way to valueable to the Dodgers

Dodgerbluez
3 years 3 days ago

Lindblom for Pence. .270 avg with 17hrs would be a nice upgrade in LF. No Victorino OVERRATED always has been.

3 years 3 days ago

Hasn’t ALWAYS been, but yea, he is for sure on the decline. Young reliever would be a nice return.

Dodgerbluez
3 years 3 days ago

2011 the guy batted .279 17 Hrs 60rbis 19sb and was a allstar?? and got MVP votes???.. Doesn’t make sense to me I just hope the Dodgers do not trade for him.

3 years 3 days ago

how the hell is that considered overatted. most teams would kill for an outfielder to put those numbers up with great defense

Dodgerbluez
3 years 3 days ago

Yeah those are Def MVP type numbers.. lol. He got more MVP votes with those numbers then Players like. Beltran, Cargo, Holliday, Berkman, Pence.. and so on and so on.. All their numbers absolutly crushed Shanes. In all categories. . That is called being overrated..

markc28
3 years 3 days ago

i dont see why a team wouldnt want to trade a reliever for a a 3 time gold glover and 2 time allstar if they are trying to win it. relievers are very replaceable where a quality outfielder is harder to find

thegrayrace
3 years 3 days ago

Victorino’s numbers thus far on the season are not that hard to find. Actually, a reliever putting up Lindblom’s numbers is arguably harder to find than an outfielder with a .700 OPS.

Teams would be betting on Victorino improving his performance over the final 2 months of the season. It is a gamble.

markc28
3 years 3 days ago

yes he isnt hitting great but .700 ops is league average and his defense is definetnly above average. i would take the gamble for a cost of a reliever. he also raised his ops by .036 his last 10 games. you also got choate which does make it easier to trade lindblom. you traded a pretty good young starter for the gamble ramirez hit better idk why you wouldnt risk for victorino.

thegrayrace
3 years 3 days ago

Because 3B has been a far bigger weakness for us than any of the OF positions. And Hanley’s OPS is 50 points higher than Victorino’s.

3 years 3 days ago

ahhhhh but hanley is a cancer in the clubhouse sorry i would take victorino over hanley anyday.

3 years 3 days ago

V is a sparkplug . He is having an off year but his career record is better and his D is excellent I hate to see him go!

3 years 3 days ago

That outfielder is a free agent this offseason and having a down year. That is why. Also there is a reason teams are always looking for good relievers this time of year. Because they are harder to find than you think.

1980CHAMPS
3 years 3 days ago

Why trade for a non prospect when your team is not getting to the playoffs? Ruben Amaro Jr is such a horrible GM.

Scott
3 years 3 days ago

Because a guy like Ondrusek is still under team control through 2016. That’s so horrible.

not_brooks
3 years 3 days ago

That walk rate is trending the wrong way though…

And if you’re dealing for an uncertainty, why deal for a 27-year-old reliever instead of a 20-year-old prospect?

3 years 3 days ago

Indians should get in on this. Surplus bullpen should interest the Phillies. Start Victorino in center, then either move Brantley to right and DH Choo or DH Brantley to improve defense all around. Bench Hafner. It’s just time to admit he’s a failure and take him out of the lineup.

3 years 3 days ago

as much as i hate victorino lol he is an upgrade defensively over abreu and rivera plus can hit at or the near the same as them and the guy has a winning attitude. For a reliever i would make that deal they just traded for a reliever and they have tons of relief help in their farm if lindblom cant get it done trade away some of those reliever prospects.