Dodgers Out On Dempster

Cubs righty Ryan Dempster is scheduled to start tonight at Wrigley Field opposite A.J. Burnett, but a little thing called the trade deadline looms four hours prior to that contest.  As a 10-and-5 player, however, Dempster must approve any trade.  The latest:

  • The Dodgers are out on Dempster, tweets Dylan Hernandez of the L.A. Times.
  • Straight from the horse's mouth: Dempster told Bruce Levine of ESPNChicago.com he has expanded his list to include the Yankees and Rangers, in addition to the Dodgers.
  • The Dodgers are pursuing starting pitching on multiple fronts, notes Goldstein.
  • Money would have to be involved for Dempster to land with the Yankees, and with 90 minutes until the deadline there's been no talk of financials yet, tweets Sherman.  The Cubs are said to like Yankees second base prospect Angelo Gumbs and third base prospect Dante Bichette Jr., but Sherman is not sure the Yankees would do that just to upgrade on Freddy Garcia.  Reports are unclear on whether Dempster would approve a trade to the Yankees.
  • Echoing Kaplan, Nightengale tweets that the Cubs are engaged in heavy discussions with the Yankees on Dempster and are still talking to the Dodgers and Rangers.  No one is copping to it on the Yankees' side, tweets Joel Sherman of the New York Post.  The Yankees have indeed contacted the Cubs about Dempster, tweet Ken Rosenthal and Jon Paul Morosi of FOX Sports, but the teams are not talking seriously yet.
  • The Dodgers are not the only team discussing Dempster with the Cubs, tweets Bob Nightengale of USA Today.
  • The deal is not done yet, tweets Kevin Goldstein of Baseball Prospectus, as the Cubs really want prospect Allen Webster and are trying to add to Dempster to get him.  Jon Paul Morosi of FOX Sports concurs: there is no agreement yet.
  • The Cubs and Dodgers are "finally closing in on the Dempster deal," a source close to the negotations tells Jim Bowden of ESPN and MLB Network Radio.
  • The Dodgers remain focused on Dempster and want him even if they add another pitcher, tweets Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports.  They're also looking at hitters, and money does not seem to be a concern.  Rosenthal notes that the Dodgers have worked on two massive deals over the last several days, both of which are now less likely. 
  • There's no evidence of Dempster talk with the Yankees, tweets Jon Heyman of CBS Sports.
  • The Dodgers, Rangers, and Yankees are in play for Dempster, reports David Kaplan of CSNChicago.com.  The Rangers and Yankees stepped up their pursuit over the last 48 hours.  Furthermore, Kaplan says Dempster is willing to approve a trade to any of the three teams.
  • Nothing was close late Monday between the Dodgers and Cubs, according to Jon Heyman of CBS Sports.
  • Dempster "remains adamant that he will only approve a trade to the Dodgers," reports Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports.  Rosenthal says the Cubs and Dodgers are discussing Dempster and left fielder Alfonso Soriano.  However, if the Dodgers acquire another target in outfielder Shane Victorino, they'd have little use for Soriano.  With only one suitor, the Cubs' only leverage is weak: their alternative is to keep Dempster and make him a qualifying offer in the $12.5MM range after the season, with an eye on scoring one compensatory draft pick if he declines.
  • The Cubs and Braves' previous dialogue about Dempster made yesterday's Paul Maholm trade a little easier, Cubs GM Jed Hoyer told reporters including MLB.com's Carrie Muskat.  As the centerpiece of that deal, the Cubs snagged Tommy John-rehabbing pitching prospect Arodys Vizcaino.


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123 Comments on "Dodgers Out On Dempster"


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Chris_RG
2 years 11 months ago

The Cubs need to keep Dempster and let him feel the much deserved hatred at Wrigley…..see if he takes that qualifying offer then.

Guest
2 years 11 months ago

Hate for what? He has earned his no trade clause and is using it. Nothing wrong with what he is doing.

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Chris_RG
2 years 11 months ago

He lied about being willing to accept a trade to the Braves.

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Jason Zenk
2 years 11 months ago

did he lie??? really? We honestly dont know this for sure. Either way, Im good with Demp staying or going. I like the guy and what he has done for the cubs

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MountainsofMadness
2 years 11 months ago

Yeah, Theo wasted his time during the biggest Cubs trade deadline in years working with a team that wasn’t on Dempster’s list.

Come on.

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BlueCatuli
2 years 11 months ago

He never rejected a trade to the Braves. He said he wanted to take time to make a decision and the Braves pulled their offer. Heaven forbid someone take time to make a decision.

Member
2 years 11 months ago

Braves never pulled the offer. Dempster had to register exercising his 10-5 rights with MLBPA and League. He vetoed trade.

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erm016
2 years 11 months ago

A lot of fans feel like he stabbed the Cubs in the back because he said he would accept a trade to Atlanta, then he didn’t. So they lost leverage to the Dodgers because that’s the only place he wants to go – they know that, and they know the Cubs want to move him – so they don’t have to include anyone good.

So he basically went against his word, that he’d do whatever it took to help the Cubs.

He claimed he needed time to think about it – when now it was just evident that all he wants is the Dodgers.

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MountainsofMadness
2 years 11 months ago

Oh he earned the boos, big time.

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DaCubsDaBears
2 years 11 months ago

Cooler heads will prevail and this will get done by noon.The Cubs are in the hands of
competent deal makers now.

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Crucisnh
2 years 11 months ago

The Cubbies may be in the hands of competent deal makers, but Dempster has put them in a bad situation by taking away all their negotiating leverage.

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Steve Keasling
2 years 11 months ago

As long as the Cubs are the sellers, and can say no…and still get a comp pick for Dempster at the end of the year, they have leverage. To say they have none is complete ignorance. It is obvious the Dodgers are looking for pitching. Buyers this time of the year never have the leverage scale tipping in their favor. There is nearly zero chance that Dempster wants to stay in Chicago after enraging a fanbase. He’ll end up with the Nats or Cards or someone other than the Dodgers when push comes to shove.

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JustFatOlMe
2 years 11 months ago

I just hope the Cubs don’t just give Dempster away for nothing.

Guest
2 years 11 months ago

what are you expecting for a 2 month rental that will only sign off on one deal.

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Steve Keasling
2 years 11 months ago

this isn’t true….

8:40 AM: The always informed David Kaplan has an excellent piece of news for us this morning.  There are three suitors for Dempster and it is expected that he will accept a deal to any of those three teams.  The other two teams involved are the Texas Rangers and the New York Yankees.  Both teams are looking for starters but are looking for something cheaper than the top guys on the market, such as Matt Garza.  We’d also heard in the past that the cost of RHPs Josh Johnson and James Shields were prohibitive.  All 3 teams have interesting pitching prospects to deal, so this obviously bears watching.  Kaplan writes that a source told him…

“However, with three teams seriously involved, it won’t be cheap to acquire him even though it is potentially a three-month rental.”
“Dempster has made it clear to Cubs management that he would like to play in Los Angeles but he also understands that Epstein and Hoyer have a job to do and he will not stand in their way if it means that the best deal is somewhere else,” a source with knowledge of the discussions told me this morning. “He never told them he would only go to LA, he only said that he wanted time to make the best decision for him and his family and that is his right as a 10/5 [10 years in the majors, the lat five with your current team] man. Ryan is serious about wanting to win a World Series and he will approve a deal if it gives him that chance.”

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Goat_Rider
2 years 11 months ago

“Dempster has made it clear to Cubs management that he would like to play in Los Angeles but he also understands that Epstein and Hoyer have a job to do and he will not stand in their way if it means that the best deal is somewhere else”
I think I have heard that somewhere before.

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Steve Keasling
2 years 11 months ago

yeah a week ago….when the dodgers weren’t openly low-balling, and a whole home fanbase hadn’t turned on him. if it is stay in Chi or agree to go elsewhere, Demp will cave.

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MountainsofMadness
2 years 11 months ago

lol. Yep. Flakey like a fish fry.

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PWNdroia
2 years 11 months ago

Competent deal makers? Did you see what Theo did in Boston? He ruined the team.

Guest
2 years 11 months ago

2 World Series in 10 years. With their current front office and manager, the Red Sox won’t win 2 World Series in the next 30 years.

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bigpat
2 years 11 months ago

Yeah, because of all the bad contracts they were left with.

Guest
2 years 11 months ago

Can you spell Lucchino?

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Steve Keasling
2 years 11 months ago

because they have to compete with the Yankees???

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LazerTown
2 years 11 months ago

2 ws wins in 30 years is still above average. You may not like to wait that log, but once every 30 years is what is expected with even field.

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vtadave
2 years 11 months ago

He can come “ruin” my team any day as long as he wins 2 WS’s in 10 years.

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PWNdroia
2 years 11 months ago

The deals he made (except for Schilling and Ortiz) were poor. We might have won in 2007, but we won with JD Drew and Julio Lugo, two guys he overpaid that did nothing. Plus, 2004 was a lot of what Duquette had already put in place; Theo just finetuned it. After 2007 particularly, Theo ruined this team with bad free agent signings and mediocre trades.

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Steve Keasling
2 years 11 months ago

That doesn’t sound like what all of Boston was saying when they were demanding Selig give them Starlin Castro for Theo…..

I was totally rooting for the Red Sox when they won their WS, but after the Theo fiasco, I have no respect for anyone in RS nation.

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johnsilver
2 years 11 months ago

” they’d have little use for Soriano”

Understatement of the century for any NL team. Some here profess that Soriano is a serviceable LF, but the games have seen him in? It would have to be a very tiny one and not the size of Chavez Ravine for his balky knees.

Cubs should be spending their time trying to peddle him off to some AL team as a DH that as playoff aspirations and needs one. Tribe a possibility, Oakland as well. Slim chance any would pay anything and neither really has any kind of a salary dump. Indians have Sizemore, but he will probably resign next year anyway. Oakland could send the Cubs Suzuki, then he has some value as a average catcher, just making a bit much and catchers are in short supply.

Overpaid (massively) DH’s masquerading as LF just have no value to anyone in the game. If Epstein manages to get rid of Soriano and not pay 90% of his salary, he deserves an A+.

Guest
2 years 11 months ago

Soriano has yet to make an error in the OF this season and has shown pretty decent range as well. Quite frankly, you are wrong.

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sourbob
2 years 11 months ago

Actually, stats and scouting both indicate that Soriano’s altered positioning (allowing him to rely less on his legs) has made him a passable LF again this year. If it were just the defensive stats, which are notoriously fickle, I’d probably discount that. But it matches up with what scouts say and the eye test.

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vtadave
2 years 11 months ago

How is he a “DH masquerading as LF”?
He’s looked good to me the few times I’ve seen him this year and advanced metrics suggest he’s been above average defensively each of the last three years including 2012.

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Steve Keasling
2 years 11 months ago

Soriano has the second best UZR-150 of any OF in baseball…..behind only Ichiro.

That’s definitely serviceable…..

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redlake
2 years 11 months ago

put him at 1st base….why not…. 30 plus homers….protect Ramirez….he could handle the position

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erm016
2 years 11 months ago

Poor Cubs.

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John Wiszezur
2 years 11 months ago

I’m sure these boys have a computer program (probably named Brianna or something) that allows them to figure out whether whatever the Dodgers are offering is stronger than what the compensatory draft pick would return. There’s models for all this stuff. I think the key now is how much of Soriano’s contract they’d would be willing to eat. If it’s in the 80-90% range, it should net the Cubs a way stronger return than what a Type B would get them.

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cubfan4life
2 years 11 months ago

I have heard a couple different places that the Cubs are willing to pick up all but about 3M per yr. But that depends on how much you trust Rosenthal. However if they pick up the majority of the contract he should bring back a decent return. We know we arent getting either of the top guys Lee or Webster. However a return of Gould and Lindblom? Could be possible. Especially if LA doesnt have to pay much of Sorianos contract.