Sherman On Red Sox, Crawford, Shields

Three AL East executives said they view the Red Sox as the Yankees’ greatest intra-divisional threat this year, Joel Sherman of the New York Post reports. “There is just too much talent on that roster for them not to contend,” one of the executives said of the Red Sox. Here are the latest notes and rumors from Sherman…

  • The Red Sox are trying to find a high-end starting pitcher or a shortstop, one official told Sherman.
  • Boston tried to flip Carl Crawford to Miami to address their shortstop situation, Sherman reports. However, GM Ben Cherington said on WEEI in Boston today that there was just one conversation with Miami and that talks about Crawford never got serious (Twitter link via Rob Bradford).
  • Boston “wants [Crawford] out in the worst way,” Sherman hears from an exec.
  • James Shields, Jeremy Hellickson and Wade Davis are drawing lots of interest, Sherman writes. The Rays are hoping demand for Shields spikes once Zack Greinke gets traded. It's conceivable that a bidding war could emerge between the Angels and Rangers.


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62 Comments on "Sherman On Red Sox, Crawford, Shields"


MaineSkin
3 years 1 month ago

Ok, Lackey now Crawford while their in-house options are why they have always won…

3 years 1 month ago

False

MB923
3 years 1 month ago

If the Red Sox were to get another high end SP, then I’d agree with those executives that they’d be more of a threat than the Rays, Jays and O’s. However if Lester and/or Beckett continue to struggle, I can’t see them finishing no better than 3rd place.

notsureifsrs
3 years 1 month ago

kind of obvious though, right? even the most irrational fans wouldn’t have said “our three best pitchers are going to pitch poorly and we’re going to win it all”

the idea is that those guys should be expected to pitch better and that if they do, they’ll have a shot

MB923
3 years 1 month ago

Not necessarily obvious. Toronto is filled with injuries and Baltimore is overachieving. In the AL East the Red Sox have the 2nd best run differential to teh Yankees. They are underachieving.

Buchholz has improved his season, and Cook, while it’s a small sample of course, has done okay so far

I just looked at Cook’s stats, somehow he averages less than 1 K an inning (also less than 1 BB an inning).

If even just 1 of the 2 Red Sox front line pitchers improves, they could be in 2nd place very soon. I’m not saying they’ll win the divsion or even make the playoffs, I’m just saying they are underachieving for sure. Their bulpen and lineup is certainly is what’s helping them be around the .500 mark. While the AL East is normally a good division, I just think the Yankees as of now are the only really good team in it.

Baltimore, especially with their tough 2nd half schedule probably will fade very soon. I don’t want that to happen though. Woudl like to see them at least make .500

notsureifsrs
3 years 1 month ago

you know you’re scared of aaron cook

towney007
3 years 1 month ago

This that’s frustrating is they’re the kind of team that could totally run off 8-9 in a row in the next two weeks and then drop 5-6 and be right back where they started… At some point you have to kind of tip your cap to injuries, but doesn’t make it any less frustrating… best plan of action is just to stand pat.

MaineSox
3 years 1 month ago

I know I am.

MB923
3 years 1 month ago

I “fear the beard”

3 years 1 month ago

Just teach Crawford to hit for power, he has the strength and utilities. The batting average will come.

Kyle Hamilton
3 years 1 month ago

oh yeah it’s that simple. LOL

3 years 1 month ago

>implying Ellsbury didn’t pull the ball all 2011

Peter Genova
3 years 1 month ago

He hit his career high (19) in a contract year. You will never see that number again.

MaineSox
3 years 1 month ago

I’m not sure I’m buying it from Sherman about Crawford; not that I would blame the Red Sox for wanting to get rid of Crawford (particularly his contract) at this point, but his story about them being the ones trying to flip him to Miami is completely opposite of everything that’s been reported so far.

hawkny1
3 years 1 month ago

Sherman didn’t say he had talked yo a “Red Sox” executive. My guess is he has been on the phone with someone in New York or Toronto.

Karkat
3 years 1 month ago

I don’t buy it either, really. I could get the notion of trying to clean house from the previous GM, but Crawford’s trade value is hilariously low right now, and also we still don’t know what the Crawford of today really is yet. Really, *next* season, post-surgery, when he’s healthy, will be his defining year.

I’m no huge Carl Crawford fan, but really, they just need to ride him out right now.

LazerTown
3 years 1 month ago

For sure, I really didn’t think that it was a good contract, but that said what can they do. If they trade him at this point they will have to eat quite a bit regardless, you can’t get out from under it. So the should just make the best of it and see if he can bring back his value.

johnsilver
3 years 1 month ago

I am not sure anything from Sherman is on the level. He is the NYP’s version of Shagnessey in my book. Just a hair above Cafardo.

So many of the items you hear (as you stated) come from him only. Either he has an ear in places none other do, or one heck of an imagination to use a kinder word…

FamousGrouse
3 years 1 month ago

I have been trying to give this post 5 likes.

3 years 1 month ago

Boston “wants [Crawford] out in the worst way,” Sherman hears from an exec.
Crawford is roughly owed what? Roughly between 110 and 112 million.
I am sure there’s at least a half dozen GM and owner’s willing to jump all over that huge contract. Actually, there could be one, the Dodgers. It’s the one weak link in their outfield, imho.
James Shields, Jeremy Hellickson and Wade Davis
Are these guys really any good? Shields never wowed me.
I always felt Tillman (O’s) was a better pitcher than Hellickson, even though Hellickson currently has better numbers. Tillman is catching up and will pass him. As for Davis, meh.
The Red Sox are trying to find a high-end starting pitcher or a shortstop,
As for high end pitching, every single so called “high-end” pitcher is a total gamble. The team that gets it right will go to the playoffs, the team that doesn’t will not. Unless, the Yankees make a trade, I think they are going to playoffs no matter what happens.

Peter Genova
3 years 1 month ago

You’ve ‘always felt Tillman was a better pitcher than Hellickson.’ Did you actually look at their career numbers? Hellickson 3.16 ERA and 1.19 WHIP, while Tillman is looking at about 5.00 and 1.50. You see, with ERA and WHIP, lower is better. The Crawford comment is laughable. At least 6 teams would jump all over that contract?? There weren’t 6 teams that would have paid him that same $ last year. Basically, you are saying that Crawford has INCREASED his value in the last 1 1/2 years. Not seeing it.

3 years 1 month ago

I do think Tillman is the better pitcher, but I usually convey that on Oriole sites. Anyway, I can’t believe you didn’t sense the sarcasm about my Crawford comment, however, it is possible the Dodgers could be interested if he is indeed healthy.

3 years 1 month ago

Don’t worry, your sarcasm is there and perceivable. I’m assuming Peter just missed the line that started with “Actually, there could be one..” Putting “ONE” in caps probably would have made it stand out a bit more.

Peter Genova
3 years 1 month ago

I read it again, and you’re right. I could have interpreted sarcasm there. There actually may be 2 owners crazy enough to take on Crawford’s contract (Jeffrey Luria, I’m speaking about you), but only if the Sox will take some of Miami’s dead weight.

PennMariner
3 years 1 month ago

Hellickson posted a 4.72 xFIP last year vs. a 2.95 ERA. This year it’s a 4.92 xFIP vs. a 3.42 ERA. He’s also yet to eclipse a K-rate of 6 per 9. I’m not saying Tillman’s a better pitcher, but Hellickson’s really not all that great. And WHIP? Seriously?

rikersbeard
3 years 1 month ago

ya…I always thought AJ Burnett was better than Halladay too. But like Tillman to Hellickson, Burnett never did anything to validate the point.

1980CHAMPS
3 years 1 month ago

Remember that off season where Jayson Werth and Carl Crawford were the two biggest position players in free agency? Why does it seem like it happened a century ago?

3 years 1 month ago

Sherman is clueless

Since_77
3 years 1 month ago

“the Red Sox as the Yankees’ greatest intra-divisional threat this year”

Could be true if Toronto, Baltimore or Tampa don’t improve. But Toronto or Baltimore could pick a top starter like Greinke or Josh Johnson.

Tampa is already going to get better by adding their best player Evan Longoria, who is coming back from an injury. Same for goes for Toronto when Bautista comes off the DL.

rikersbeard
3 years 1 month ago

Even if TO or Baltimore pick up another piece, they still look much less deep, and much less prepared to make a sustained run.

Suh Girls One Cup
3 years 1 month ago

Why in the world is Jeremy Hellickson on the block?
Anyways, if he is, I wouldn’t mind Atlanta making a move for him.

haymaker9
3 years 1 month ago

Does anybody think a Vernon Wells/ Carl Crawford off-season (change of scenery) swap makes any sense? Crawford is having trouble in the Boston pressure-cooker, and the Angels line-up is pretty RH heavy. Crawford seems to fit well with Scioscia’s style of play, and perhaps Wells could use the Green Monster to his advantage. (Although career numbers for both players at those parks doesn’t generate enthusiasm) The salaries would be a wash in 2013 & 2014, then Wells’ contract is up. Lots of variables to balance out the trade, but wanted to hear what some others thought.

Sully65
3 years 1 month ago

Curious if the Sox could get Dee Gordon from the Dodgers and the Dodgers move Hanley back to SS. Dodgers could use some OF and the Sox have extra OF and need a SS

3 years 1 month ago

dodgers wont sell low. I wish reddick was on the red sox still, because a reddick for gordon would look nice!

3 years 1 month ago

Red Soxs, pay 75% of crawford contract and im sure dodgers will take a chance, well send cruz to play shortstop :]

3 years 1 month ago

12:$19.5M, 13:$20M, 14:$20.25M, 15:$20.5M, 16:$20.75M, 17:$21M
Good luck with that Boston

And he needs UCL surgery?

AaronAngst
3 years 1 month ago

The sad thing is that contract would absolutely kill most MLB teams, but I’m sure Boston will pull through while paying more than $20,000,000 annually to a guy who has been playing like a fourth OF at best for awhile now.

FamousGrouse
3 years 1 month ago

Do the Red Sox have insurance that pays a players salary in the event of surgery/loss of season?

rsanchez1
3 years 1 month ago

I would’ve liked Crawford + Cody Ross/prospects for Hanley.

BoSoXaddict
3 years 1 month ago

Exactly just what “shortstop situation” is Sherman referring to? Aviles is making 1.2 million while leading all AL shortstops in RBIs and then we have Iglesias, Marrero, Bogaerts, Vinicio and Lin in the minors. I’d say we have SS pretty much covered, no?

MaineSox
3 years 1 month ago

First, why are you yelling?

Second, Yankee fan right?

Third, you don’t average over 93 wins a year for a decade and win two world series by “being lucky.”

EarlyMorningBoxscore
3 years 1 month ago

I DON’T KNOW WHAT WE’RE YELLING ABOUT. But seriously, underachieving does not equal overrated.

3 years 1 month ago

When people use all CAPS usually means you dont know what your talking about.

Karkat
3 years 1 month ago

Now why doesn’t the nonsense comment filter, which catches harmless words, also catch all-caps posts, which are clearly against the comment policy?

3 years 1 month ago

Haters gonna hate – in all caps.

captainjeter
3 years 1 month ago

Yes, why are you yelling? The Red Sox are not that bad of a team and to think so is silly.

1980CHAMPS
3 years 1 month ago

I just feel like that is the Red Sox in general. ESPN over the last decade has hyped this semi-mythological rivalry between the Yankees and Red Sox and everyone bought in it. ESPN being located right in the middle of these two franchises reeled everyone in and other media outlets and then fans bought right in. The rivalry the Yanks had with the O’s in the 80’s and 90’s was more legit.

For Yankees fans old enough they’ll tell you that by far the biggest rivalry they had in there first half century of existence was against the A’s until they moved to KC in the 50’s shortly then to Oakland.

Slopeboy
3 years 1 month ago

I feel conflicted coming to the defense of the Red Sox, but right is right. What you say is totally misguided at best. No team wins a World series by being lucky, certainly not twice in three years. This year’s team is in turmoil and has been beset by numerous injuries to key players, so they’re not playing to capabilities. For you to post the drivel you’ve written and then put it in caps, shows just how little knowledge you possess about the current situation.

Gothapotamus
3 years 1 month ago

LOUD NOISES!

Karkat
3 years 1 month ago

Yeah, I’m pretty sure it’s rather ignorant to call a team overrated when each individual player has a history of success. Everything about the Red Sox says they *should* be playing well, but the hitters have been anemic and the pitchers have struggled to pitch to their abilities at all the wrong times.

A lineup that features Ellsbury, Crawford, Pedroia, Ortiz, and Gonzalez should never be struggling so much. And anyone who knows anything about the Sox knows the pitchers can and should be doing much better. The problem is that sometimes *good* players perform poorly, and the issue with the Sox right now is that ALL of the good players are doing that simultaneously.

Karkat
3 years 1 month ago

I would do that just so that I could tell my non-baseball friends that my team has a guy named “Darwin Barney”

(“I would do that,” he says, as if he has some pull with the Red Sox front office >_>)

Slopeboy
3 years 1 month ago

@Maine Sox
I can feel your anger, but I’m surprised that you as a long time contributor to this site, you forget that the Yanks, Red Sox and Phils are the big targets for jealous loser fans that take anonymous pot shots at our teams. I could go on a rant just on this subject, but that’s for another time. Point is, it looks like a knee-jerk reaction from you thinking automatically it’s a Yankees fan talking dumb ‘stuff’. It’s not only Yankees fans that hate the Red Sox.

jjs91
3 years 1 month ago

Not just a yankee fan, but a packer and laker fan as well according to her twitter.

tapehead4
3 years 1 month ago

I feel the same way about atrocious grammar.

3 years 1 month ago

Rays have been the most beat up team in the east this year including missing their best player and they are still chugging along for the most part.

Jim McGrath
3 years 1 month ago

This is why this is a bad team: Sweeney, Nava, Crawford, Punto and Shop–20% of your 25 man roster. None of those guys are making pitchers tremble. We need players that you feel comfortable inserting in the lineup.

I’d rather have Linares, Lavarnway, Kalish, Gomez, Pods and Mortensen; I’m sure if BobbyV had a say he would want some other players available.

notsureifsrs
3 years 1 month ago

anthopolous talks to everybody. he answers his cell with a trade proposal before the caller even identifies himself. that’s how the vernon wells trade got started

baseballz
3 years 1 month ago

I’m a jays fan but blaming injuries to the rotation is very silly. Kyle Drabek was not expected to do anything based on his previous body of work and Hutchison is a rookie who was having a moderate level of success in his first shot in the bigs. Neither of these guys would have been able to pitch 200 innings or have even been reasonably expected to stay with the major league team all season.

Morrow was unfortunate yes, and Alvarez’s new delivery has done absolutely nothing to help his performance and has ruined his sinker. but I think overall and what the Happ trade has shown is that the Jays had little depth at SP on the big league squad and in their minor league system. This was a flaw which would have been exposed eventually either through injuries or innings limitations. Deck McGuire/Chad Jenkins have not lived up to their first round draft pick pedigree and as such the Jays have suffered, those guys were very important to the overall plan as they should be in the bigs by now as super refined college standouts.

Jose injury has hurt but even with him the Jays were at 500 and while Morrow’s injury sucked Villaneuva has stepped in and mitigated his loss, so far. Because of that the biggest loss has been Romero’s case of inconsistency and the disappearance of his changeup. JP has not been hitting much better then Mathis of all people and is unfortunately easily replaced by Yan Gomes.

The Jays injuries are not on the level of Bostons who were missing legit all stars in Ellesbury, Pedroia, Bailey and Crawford – not to mention a host of others. Tampa missing Longoria is much more significant as well.

The Jays just took a step back from last year, its a tough pill but they are still a .500 team and have failed to have a win streak which matches anything the legit contenders have had this year.

johnsilver
3 years 1 month ago

LOL! I can picture that NSF.. Some GM comes up with an answering machine/auto response for their cell with some preposterous trade and gullible writers (as in Cafardo, Heyman, Olney, Shaugnessy) snap ’em all up and cannot wait to get to a keyboard..

As the saying goes… “You go man”….

MaineSox
3 years 1 month ago

She linked to her Twitter and I checked before I said it. She was a Yankee fan.

Slopeboy
3 years 1 month ago

This time I jumped the gun! I’m guilty of the knee-jerk. My apologies.
You guys have the ‘pink hats’, we have the clueless front runners in our fan base.

MaineSox
3 years 1 month ago

No problem. I normally wouldn’t have gone there, but she happened to link to her profile and it said she was a Yankee fan, so I didn’t have to assume. And yeah, I see comments from Red Sox fans sometimes that make me want to pretend I’m a fan of a different team.