Nightengale’s Latest: Hamels, Phillies, Dodgers, Lester, Price

Here’s the latest from Bob Nightengale of USA Today, who provides several interesting trade market updates:

  • The Dodgers recently inquired about Phillies starter Cole Hamels, and were asked for a return that included all of Joc Pederson, Corey Seager, and Julio Urias. Los Angeles indicated it had no interest in a deal with that framework, but Philadelphia has not move yet from that asking price. The Phils are telling clubs that it wants three top-tier youngsters and another mid-level prospect in return for Hamels.
  • Nightengale suggests that the Phillies might, however, consider a lesser return in a deal that would include a mix of Hamels along with several of the club’s less-attractive long-term commitments. Ryan Howard and Jonathan Papelbon would figure to be involved in such a scenario, Nightengale notes, which might free the Phillies to be a big player in next year’s free agent market.
  • Team sources indicated that the club has not yet had discussions of that kind of trade, however, and Matt Gelb of the Philadelphia Inquirer opines (Twitter links) that the team will not accept a more modest return on Hamels simply to move other contracts. The team wants three or four top prospects and would not pay any of Hamels’ future obligations, he adds.
  • As for the Dodgers, a deal involving Matt Kemp seems inevitable, given the disagreement between club and player on his role. But it remains to be seen whether he is deal this summer or over the offseason. (It is worth noting, of course, that Kemp would be a hypothetical August trade piece given his huge contract.)
  • The Red Sox are asking for two high-end prospects in return for Lester, executives who are involved in talks tell Nightengale. A hypothetical return for him would not rise to the level of what the Rays could get for their top lefty, David Price, the sources say. Price not only has an additional year of control, but would come with a much more promising window for extension talks and could at least allow a new team to recoup some value through a qualifying offer.
  • The Rays face a tough decision on Price: they would face serious internal repercussions for moving him at this point, but are tantalized by the possibilities of a return. Nightengales suggests that Tampa has reason to believe it could pry Oscar Taveras, Shelby Miller, and a 2015 first-round compensation pick from the Cardinals in a swap involving Price.


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132 Comments on "Nightengale’s Latest: Hamels, Phillies, Dodgers, Lester, Price"


Dynasty22
1 year 1 month ago

Oh Ruben Amaro…

Hey Its Placido Polanco
1 year 1 month ago

Nightengale needs to double check his sources. Using Hamels as a tool to clear Howard or Papelbon’s salary is absolute insanity for a team that just signed a ginormous TV deal and doesn’t need to get rid of money. They need prospects. Period.

frogbogg
1 year 1 month ago

No way this can be right…. all those players Amaro is asking for……… They are all under 35.

George Bell
1 year 1 month ago

Its a good time to be a seller given the asking prices

vtadave
1 year 1 month ago

Crazy. There are very, very few players who I would deal Urias, Seager, AND Pederson for if I were the Dodgers. Guys for example, like Mike Trout who would never be traded in the first place.

Mike1L
1 year 1 month ago

Hamels is a fine pitcher. But that price plus his contract is too high. It’s a gigantic wager by the acquiring team that he won’t get hurt and the prospects won’t pan out as solid. The balance of Hamel’s contract is roughly worth Lester on the FA market (plus another year, perhaps) and you keep your prospects.

Rally Weimaraner
1 year 1 month ago

You really think Lester is going to settle for a 4/90 deal as a FA?

Mike1L
1 year 1 month ago

No, but the total commitment to Hamels with the vesting option is 5/110 or 5/114. Add a year to that, I think you are in the ballpark.

GrumpyPuppy
1 year 1 month ago

That is still really low by today’s FA standards. I think Lester will sign a deal similar to Zack Greinke’s 6/159 deal.

Mike1L
1 year 1 month ago

You could be right. So, I guess the analysis is, would be whether you think it’s a good idea to give up three top tier prospects to not have the sixth year/dollars.

Hey Its Placido Polanco
1 year 1 month ago

You’re also assuming that he would rather play for your team instead of going to another team that’s offering similar money.

Phillies_Aces35
1 year 1 month ago

But you sign a free agent to that contract you’re only giving up a first round draft pick.

Don
1 year 1 month ago

Might be more years but the money will be the same.

EarlyMorningBoxscore
1 year 1 month ago

Lester will sign for well over 100 million dollars.

Don
1 year 1 month ago

I’m referring to the AAV.

EarlyMorningBoxscore
1 year 1 month ago

ahhhh that makes wayyyy more sense.

Karl Larson
1 year 1 month ago

He will get Cole Hamels AAV with less years.

Phillyfan425
1 year 1 month ago

Nightengale is crazy. Why would you use your best trade chip to get rid of pieces that aren’t going to be moved (or will be moved, but for a very minimal return) and then get back less prospects? Phillies don’t need salary relief – they need prospects. I’d rather be stuck with Howard and Papelbon and have 3 great prospects and no Hamels, than be rid of Hamels, Howard, and Papelpon and only have 1 great prospect and 2 good prospects.

paqza
1 year 1 month ago

If I were the Rays, Shelby Miller wouldn’t interest me. His numbers are worrisome at best and outright bad at worst. I’d start by asking for Martinez and Taveras.

John Lembcke
1 year 1 month ago

Cards fan here…Taveras should be untouchable. I hope the team doesnt take the short sighted view of how he’s started off this year and deal him away for a pitcher.

Don
1 year 1 month ago

You wouldn’t give up one player for the chance to win a World Series?

SumatranRatMonkey
1 year 1 month ago

It’s never that simple. You have to consider the next 6 years too.

Don
1 year 1 month ago

Let the next six years work themselves out… winning a World Series now for a shake of the magic eight ball isn’t what I’d consider a smart move.

Rally Weimaraner
1 year 1 month ago

Except one pitcher doesn’t win you the WS it just gives you a shake of the magic postseason ball.

Don
1 year 1 month ago

Improves the odds pretty significantly. But if you’d rather wait there are two other teams in the division who would jump at the chance.

East Coast Bias
1 year 1 month ago

I think the Cards have done alright lately, don’t you? They don’t NEED to do anything drastic. They’re built to be competitive every year. And they have as good as a shot as any other NL team to reach the WS for the next few years.

Don
1 year 1 month ago

Oh I would absolutely agree with that statement. I think the Cardinals are the best run organization in the business right now. Sure they’ve had a little luck to go along with it but that’s part of the game. I’m excited that the Red Sox are starting to see how this process has worked for teams like the Cards and Rays.

SumatranRatMonkey
1 year 1 month ago

Like I said. It’s never that simple. Fielding a competitive team for a greater period gives you a better chance to win a World Series than going all in for short bursts.

Matt Talken
1 year 1 month ago

Trading for an ace is still shaking a magic eight ball. The Cardinals with Price certainly have a scary post-season rotation, but it’s not like that guarantees them a championship.

Hey Its Placido Polanco
1 year 1 month ago

If you’re only making trades that guarantee you a championship, you’ll never make a trade. Every trade is about balancing the now vs. the tomorrow. And each team is at a different place in that spectrum.

John Lembcke
1 year 1 month ago

I’m just saying a deal could get done for a pitcher but keep Taveras out of it. He’s gonna be an All-Star level stud getting paid league minimum.

Kendall Adkins
1 year 1 month ago

I don’t think he’s untouchable for the right player. Shouldn’t be for a rental though. Too much OF depth for him to be untouchable.

PaperLions
1 year 1 month ago

Then trade the depth and keep the potential difference maker.

Kendall Adkins
1 year 1 month ago

It’s not really depth if it’s not made up of several potential difference makers.

Kyle
1 year 1 month ago

Your team is one of if not the best run organizations in all of baseball. I am sure your team would not take a short sighted view. My team would though…lol (Angels)

Guest
1 year 1 month ago

Martinez is not pitching any better than Miller …. he cannot get out of the 5th. Got a long way to go. Miller is a better pitcher IMO.

PaperLions
1 year 1 month ago

Not even close. El Gallo has far better stuff. He’s still developing…he’s 22. There is no way you give up on that much talent rather than just letting it develop and reaping the benefits.

john sands
1 year 1 month ago

Miller is 23… They are both still developing. Obviously you don’t watch these guys pitch.

PaperLions
1 year 1 month ago

Uh huh. Carlos has a better FB, a better change, and a better breaking ball. Miller doesn’t have any stuff that is better than Martinez. Miller is older and with far more pitching experience than Martinez. Miller has been very inconsistent, at times resistant to coaching (never seen Yadi so frustrated with a pitcher so often) and his mechanics fall apart inning to inning.

Martinez’s problem is that his stuff moves so much that he can’t control it yet.

Matt Talken
1 year 1 month ago

He’s a 23 year old who was as high ranked as high as #6 overall among ALL prospects a few years back and had a year last year with a 3.06 ERA over 170 IP and where he was close to striking out a batter per inning.

He certainly hasn’t recreated those numbers this year, but Shelby Miller still has an incredible amount of value.

paqza
1 year 1 month ago

Shelby Miller is putting up similar numbers to Jamie Moyer in his mid-to-late 40s. He’s got a nearly 1:1 K/BB ratio. The problem is that his numbers are so much worse this year than last year. I am not talking about Miller as a prospect a few years ago. I’m talking about 2014 Major League Shelby Miller and he’s just not very good and he doesn’t look like he’ll be very good in the foreseeable future. Any value he has is for a FO office who doesn’t look at a player’s current performance. When your current numbers comparable to a guy like Travis Wood and much worse than a guy like Dillon Gee, you don’t have that much value, other than as a “buy low” piece.

Matt Talken
1 year 1 month ago

You’re comparing a 23 year old former 1st round draft pick who had a great rookie season and is struggling in his second year with his control (even though his stuff is still very good) to Jamie Moyer in his 40s for value to other front offices?

I don’t think you have a good grasp of how young baseball players are valued.

paqza
1 year 1 month ago

On the contrary – I’m arguing that Miller’s value right now is the lowest it has ever been and that I personally would avoid him, especially if I had David Price to move. If I were moving Price, there’s no way I would accept Miller as anything but a “throw-in” considering how dreadful he has pitched this year, and the fact that there was something clearly wrong with him at the end of last year. You’re overvaluing what he’s worth – he throws hard, sure, but he looks similar to Jake Arrieta to me – a guy who’ll need plenty of time to put it together.

Brian
1 year 1 month ago

Take Amaro’s asking price for Hamels with a grain of salt; that sounds just like the crazy offers that came out of the leaked Astros notes from last year’s trading deadline. I’m sure the Phillies have no intention on trading Hamels and are asking for the world just in the off chance someone will give the world.

Phillyfan425
1 year 1 month ago

Which is exactly what he should be doing. He should be blown away by an offer for Hamels. He’s a top 15 pitcher in baseball, at 30 years old, locked in for 4 more years. If there’s a player on that roster that you build your team around for say…2016…it’s Hamels. He shouldn’t just be giving that up just to unload some other bad contracts.

Don
1 year 1 month ago

The Phillies need a trade similar to the Dodgers/Red Sox trade even if it means giving up a good player to dump guys that are getting significantly overpaid.

Phillyfan425
1 year 1 month ago

Why? What amazing FA are going to save this team before the Papelbon/Howard contracts run out? None. Team needs a major overhaul – starting at the prospect level. You won’t get back great prospects by adding in Howard/Papelbon in a deal with Hamels.

Don
1 year 1 month ago

The Red Sox won a title last year without signing any amazing free agents. They had payroll flexibility that allowed them to pick up quality mid-tier guys and adjust as needed to be successful.

Phillyfan425
1 year 1 month ago

And look at where they are this year. The Red Sox also retained Lester, Papi, Pedroia (3 players the Phillies don’t have if they trade Hamels). They got some great play out of slightly above average players (from the free agents they signed after the 2012 season).

Don
1 year 1 month ago

They’re the defending World Series Champions with the flexibility to rebuild with a plethora of young talent waiting in the wings to prove what they can do at the major league level and give the team the young core they need to be a contender for years to come? I’m not sure what I’m missing here? Where are the Phillies? What do they have to look forward to by doing nothing?

flyerzfan12
flyerzfan12
1 year 1 month ago

The Red Sox hit on pretty much every mid-tier guy they signed. Very rarely does that happen. Usually you’re happy if maybe 25% (and I feel like that’s higher than it is in reality) of mid-tier signings contribute the way any one of the Red Sox did.

Don
1 year 1 month ago

They did it in 2004 as well. This isn’t a one trick pony.

flyerzfan12
flyerzfan12
1 year 1 month ago

They had a core of Ramirez, Ortiz, Varitek, Damon, Schilling, Pedro, Wakefield, Arroyo, and Lowe if I recall. Big difference in core group between that team adding mid-level signings and a team like the Phillies. If the Phillies did what you suggested and used Hamels to rid themselves of Howard to free up $$, they’d be left with Utley and maybe Lee with basically nothing else to add mid-level guys to. You need a core to add mid-level guys to, the Phillies would greatly lack that.

Don
1 year 1 month ago

They don’t have a core now… how does hanging onto Hamels and trying to build around one player change that? At least making the moves they have financial flexibility again to add pieces as they become available.

They’re going nowhere with the team they have now… what are they waiting for?

Jim Johnson
1 year 1 month ago

Wouldn’t trading Hamels for prospects give them a better chance of building a core?

Don
1 year 1 month ago

Exactly the point I’m trying to make. Thanks!

Jim Johnson
1 year 1 month ago

You seem to be arguing that they should dump the big salary guys and include Hamels in it so teams would be willing to take them on.

Don
1 year 1 month ago

I’m saying if that’s what it takes to move those salaries sometimes you have to bite the bullet. I’m not saying that is the ideal solution by any means but if its the only choice I say you take it.

Jim Johnson
1 year 1 month ago

But they don’t really need to move the salaries, they have all the money in the world. And dumping the money isn’t going to turn them into a winner within the amount of time it would take for the contracts to play themselves out anyway. The only chance the Phillies have to be a winner, both in the near future and the distance future, is to build up their farm system. And that isn’t going to happen if they sacrifice prospects for teams taking on money.

John Cate
1 year 1 month ago

That’s what the Red Sox did. They gave away the one still-good player in the Dodger deal (Adrian Gonzalez) so they could get rid of two bad players (Beckett and Crawford) with horrible contracts. If I were the Phillies, and I could swing a similar deal and send Papelbon and Howard and their contracts packing, I’d do it even at the loss of Hamels.

Hey Its Placido Polanco
1 year 1 month ago

But the Phillies have no need to get rid of salary. They have plenty of money and aren’t anywhere close to a dive into FA from contending again. That kind of trade doesn’t open up any options for them.

John Cate
1 year 1 month ago

They said the same thing about the Red Sox at the time they made the Dodger deal. Most people were picking them to finish last in the AL East in the 2013 preseason. The Phillies do have a lot of money, but unfortunately, too much of it is tied up in people like Ryan Howard. You can do quite a bit with just a little payroll flexibility, and the Phillies are exactly where the Red Sox are in that regard–they have a lot of money, but not unlimited money like the Yankees and Dodgers.

Hey Its Placido Polanco
1 year 1 month ago

So I’ll give you an imaginary $60M to spend in free agency this year. Who are you getting that is making the Phillies a playoff contender in the next 2 years?

Those players don’t exist. The 2014 Phillies roster is wholeheartedly worse then the Red Sox 2012 roster, especially without Hamels. Compare Pedroia, Ortiz, Ellsbury, Lester, Lackey with what the Phillies would bring back without Hamels. Night and day. The analogy just doesn’t work.

Jim Johnson
1 year 1 month ago

I don’t understand what Boston has to do with Philly? Philly doesn’t need to shed those contracts. They aren’t great, but those contracts are what’s keeping Philly from competing. It’s the lack of talent, particularly young talent, that is killing them. Trading your best piece in order to shed contracts, would be a horrible move.

flyerzfan12
flyerzfan12
1 year 1 month ago

I never said they shouldn’t sell. I would sell everyone I could, including Hamels. However I would not use Cole to dump bad contracts (Howard, Papelbon) and take a lesser return in prospects to do so. Titles aren’t won by signing a team of free agents. Free agents nowadays are older and most don’t live up to their contracts. Smart teams are locking their young guys to contracts and keeping them off the market. The Phillies need to get those young guys first before worrying about the FA market.

Don
1 year 1 month ago

Sometimes you have to take a little less to dump the contracts… that’s part of the process. I think on a whole though we’re on the same page. If the Phillies can give away the others without having to take on significant portions of their contract that would be a win.

flyerzfan12
flyerzfan12
1 year 1 month ago

I agree we’re on the same page other than that first part. I do think Amaro is insane and asking for waaaay too much if the rumors are true, but the Phillies are in the position to eat money to get the better prospects. Unfortunately, Howard is going nowhere no matter what amount of money is eaten.

DickieThong
1 year 1 month ago

You mean Big Papi won a title.

LIMetfan22
1 year 1 month ago

Philles aren’t contending in 2016. Who would bring back anything of value besides Hamels? Cliff Lee whose been on the DL half the year and hasn’t been great? Utley and Rollins (lol)?

Maybe Ryan Howard and his great contract.

Phillyfan425
1 year 1 month ago

Nobody is going to bring back anything of amazing value. But a guy like Byrd should get you a mid-level prospect (maybe 2 if you eat some money). Lee isn’t getting moved till August (and the Phillies have said they’re willing to eat money on deals – if a team could get Cliff Lee for say, $15 M a season, I’d think they’d get on it, assuming he comes back better in August).

LIMetfan22
1 year 1 month ago

Agreed on Byrd. After all he got the Mets a very good reliever and a stud 2b prospect.

There’s a few different ways Amaro could go. He could hope to God somebody is going to meet his retarded asking price, but that won’t happen. The only way he’s getting good prospects is by eating most of the money on these contracts. I doubt anything will of significance will happen though. They don’t call him Ruin Tomorrow Jr. for nothing.

TommyC
1 year 1 month ago

In two years, the Phillies will still be able to get what teams would be willing to offer now (he will still have 1.5 years of control and there will be less of a financial commitment).

If they’re not going to get that extra top prospect or two now, why not hold onto him for a couple more years and see if it is realistic to hold onto him for a run in 2017?

Don
1 year 1 month ago

What do they have to help them make that run in 2017?

TommyC
1 year 1 month ago

Maikel Franco, JP Crawford, Aaron Nola and hopefully prospects returned in deals involving the many trade pieces at their disposal this season. Plus the ability to sign big free agents with Howard, Papelbon and many others off the books.

Don
1 year 1 month ago

LOL… thats the point I’m trying to make. Thanks for agreeing with me.

TommyC
1 year 1 month ago

Where is anyone arguing that the Phillies shouldn’t trade any of their players?

The discussion here is that Hamels does not need to be traded this year. Lee, Rollins, Utley, Byrd, Bastardo, Burnett should all be shipped out.

John Cate
1 year 1 month ago

Problem is that they can’t trade Rollins. He’s a 10-and-5 player and has made it clear he isn’t going anywhere. His 2015 option has already vested (1100 PA’s), so they only way they can unload him is to release him and pay him the rest of his 2014 salary, and $11MM for 2015. Obviously, they won’t do that.

Hey Its Placido Polanco
1 year 1 month ago

I bet if the right situation came to him – more likely in the offseason – he’d waive. He wanted to stick around to get the hits record, which he has. If the Giants or A’s were interested close to his home, I’d be shocked if he didn’t waive. Honestly, I think he’d waiver for any contender in the offseason.

LIMetfan22
1 year 1 month ago

Franco has been awful this year. 82 wRC+ which is terrible.
Nola’s ceiling is mid rotation starter.

And what big free agents, pray tell? if you haven’t noticed, most teams are locking up their young star players early due to market inflation. Also, Howards contract still has several years on it. As does Papelbon I believe.

TommyC
1 year 1 month ago

Both deals will be up in 2017. Not sure how to respond to the idea that there will be no worthwhile free agents in the future.

Teams have always tried to lock up their young talent. And the young talent and their agents have always preferred the big payday to be had on the open market.

As for Franco, the tools are still there and he is having a better second half. It’s worrisome, but lots of guys struggle when making the jump to AAA and it’s way too early to write him off as a bust.

LIMetfan22
1 year 1 month ago

I’m not claiming he’s a bust, but he definitely isn’t a top 30 prospect like he was in the preseason.

And of course there will be worthwhile free agents. There always are. But the days of an A-Rod or Prince Fielder reaching the market are over.

The Phils will have to rely on their farm systems for a long time. And right now, it’s extremely barren. I think their future was ranked as 29th recently on MLB.

jb226
1 year 1 month ago

“Teams have always tried to lock up their young talent. And the young talent and their agents have always preferred the big payday to be had on the open market.”

That’s not true. There has been a huge shift in team-friendly extensions in the past few years that usually buys out a few free agent years. The net result is that not only are there less available players, but those are ARE available are older and getting larger commitments because of the increased competition.

LIMetfan22
1 year 1 month ago

What run? their major league team is full of 30+ year olds. Their farm system has JP Crawford and not much else. Franco and Biddle took huge steps back this year. How are they going to make a run?

EarlyMorningBoxscore
1 year 1 month ago

I think by make a run he means “The Phillies will score a run in 2017.”

LIMetfan22
1 year 1 month ago

I think so too.

TommyC
1 year 1 month ago

The Phillies are in a good position to be able to supplement a few homegrown difference makers with a bunch of free agents. Lots of money will be off the books in 2017.

If a few more good prospects arise in the next three years, that quick of a turnaround isn’t out of the picture.

And of course, I’m speaking hypothetically. If in 2016, things are still looking bleak, they still have the option to trade Hamels and should.

LIMetfan22
1 year 1 month ago

That’s an entirely hypothetical, massive best-case-scenario. I highly doubt any of that will occur. Plus, with the Mets, Nats, and Fish on the rise, it will be that much more difficult for the Phils to get anywhere tbh. Enjoy the cellar for the next decade+.

W.G
1 year 1 month ago

No he shouldn’t be asking for the world, that’s what has gotten RAJ into trouble. Now I agree they shouldn’t just give Hamels away, but he HAS to be reasonable.

Yes Cole Hames is a good pitcher, great when at the top of his game. But he turns 31 this offseason and is getting payed at least 20 Million annually for 4-5 years. If RAJ asks for a teams top 3 prospects, and STILL have to pay for his entire contract, why would you do it? I guarantee teams would rather wait to sign a younger FA pitcher and keep their prospects.

Also do you really think the Phillies will be a contender in 2016? If they don’t trade Hamels or Lee, they don’t have the young talent to develop by then. In that division, they have a ways to go. But if they trade Hamels they can finally start a solid rebuilding process.

Phillyfan425
1 year 1 month ago

Actually, what’s gotten RAJ in trouble is not asking for enough back – or giving up too much when trading for players.

Also, what younger FA pitchers are on the market this offseason? Lester will be 31 to start next year (and probably command more than 4 years). Shields will be 33 to start next year (and will probably command 4 years – 3 if you’re lucky). Scherzer is the youngest of the bunch at 30 (and will probably command at least 4 years). Of course teams want to keep their prospects and sign younger FA pitchers. But that isn’t really a viable option with the age most pitchers are hitting FA.

Depending on what they do at the deadline, they have an outside shot at contending in 2016. 2017 is much more realistic (since Papelbon and Howard would both be off the books – and it gives another year of development for their prospects). That still gives them 1 more guaranteed year of Hamels, with an option for a 2nd year.

W.G
1 year 1 month ago

Phillies have the cash, but they don’t have the young talent to develop. Where are the going to get that from? Even if they luck out in the draft it will still be 4-5 years before their team competes with the Nationals, Braves and Marlins.

Seriously though, who besides Hamels can bring in a top prospect? I understand as a Phillies fan you don’t want to give up a franchise cornerstone, and especially not if your not getting alot in return. But there isn’t a ton going on in that farm system.

sflomenb
1 year 1 month ago

Come on Ruben!! I think it’s reasonable out of Pederson, Seagar and Urais to get 2 of them.

LIMetfan22
1 year 1 month ago

2 of them is certainly more plausible than all 3….But that contract is definitely a factor.

sflomenb
1 year 1 month ago

Wouldn’t be too much of a factor for the Dodgers.

LIMetfan22
1 year 1 month ago

I doubt Ruin Tomorrow Jr. will do anything of significance.

Hey Its Placido Polanco
1 year 1 month ago

His contract is a positive. But you’ve made it clear in this thread that you’re only interested in looking at the beyond worst case scenario. And the Phillies bleak present/future doesn’t require additional pessimism.

Flint Beastwood
1 year 1 month ago

that contract is absurd

EarlyMorningBoxscore
1 year 1 month ago

Have you looked at his stats? In what way is his contract absurd?

Robbieb7
1 year 1 month ago

It’s going to look like a steal compared to the deals Scherzer and Lester are going to get next year.

Rally Weimaraner
1 year 1 month ago

Have you looked at the contracts the Dodgers’ other starters have?

Robbieb7
1 year 1 month ago

Even if they can’t get two, i’d still be happy with one of Pederson/Seager + Lee + Anderson + Schebler for Hamels +10 or 20 million.

Kendall Adkins
1 year 1 month ago

Cardinals fan speaking: I wouldn’t mind giving up a couple prospects for Cole Hamels. He would arguably be part of the best 1-2 punch in the MLB, rivaled only by Kershaw and Greinke. But to ask for 4 top prospects and to pick up the entire salary is just ridiculous. No way you give up Taveras, Martinez, Grichuk, and Piscotty for 1 pitcher. There are maybe 3 players in the MLB worth that (Trout, Stanton, Kershaw?) The most I would go is Martinez and Grichuk or Piscotty if we are picking up the entire salary. I know this post isn’t exactly about this topic, but these are the rumors I’ve heard.

flyerzfan12
flyerzfan12
1 year 1 month ago

I like hearing what other fans would offer and truthfully am hoping the Phillies trade Cole to the Cardinals. I love Cole but know this team is going nowhere for a while and he is their best asset to get a solid return. I also want to see him play for a contender and an organization I respect. Add in their great farm system and the Cardinals fir the bill.

koufaxblue
1 year 1 month ago

The Phillies have to be out of there minds. No way are the Dodgers going to agree on that.

Robbieb7
1 year 1 month ago

It’s Ruben Amaro jr we’re dealing with here, he’s always out of his mind.

mrnatewalter
mrnatewalter
1 year 1 month ago

I would’ve also added that LA has to take on Howard’s contract lol.

Hey Its Placido Polanco
1 year 1 month ago

I completely understand why the Dodgers wouldn’t want to meet that price with the current status of their rotation. But why should the Phillies settle for less? It’s OK to say the team’s just aren’t a match.

MilkMeMore
1 year 1 month ago

No team is going to give up 3 top 20 Prospects for Hamels. As Traded a top 10 for an ace and a number 3,

Bob Bunker
1 year 1 month ago

Shark had a year and half of control and is more like a number 2 with no postseason experience, Hammels is more like a 5 with a half year of control.

Meanwhile Cole Hamels is a top 15 SP in the game, proven ace, proven postseason performer, locked in for 4 years at a very reasonable contract. Hamels gets more back then Shark

Bob Bunker
1 year 1 month ago

Shark had a year and half of control and is more like a number 2 with no postseason experience, Hammels is more like a 5 with a half year of control.

Meanwhile Cole Hamels is a top 15 SP in the game, proven ace, proven postseason performer, locked in for 4 years at a very reasonable contract. Hamels gets more back then Shark

thegrayrace
1 year 1 month ago

I understand Matt Kemp is frustrated that he’s been moved from centerfield, despite it being a long overdue measure that is clearly justified by defensive metrics, but does he really think that any Major League team he is traded to would put him back in centerfield? Heck, if he’s traded to an AL club he might end up as a DH.

Tre-Day
Tre-Day
1 year 1 month ago

That’s the most frustrating part. Literally NO ONE will play him in center this season. The best he could hope for would be a spring training try-out there next season, which is probably what the Dodgers will try and give him anyways. Problem is, I think he sees himself as a CF still, and his agent certainly keeps feeding him assurances he’s correct.

wyldstallyns
1 year 1 month ago

Taveras & Miller for Price only makes sense for the Cardinals if they can get a commitment from Price. Cards probably wouldn’t want to extend him for much more than what Wainwright got (5/about 100). For that reason, it’s probably a no-go. Losing Taveras would hurt a lot, but think of it this way – if his ceiling is as a 5-6 win player (which is probably high given his relatively low HR power and non-elite speed/defense), you’re probably going to get 3 years of that starting in 2016 (he’s likely worth 2-3 wins as a regular next year). Miller is a solid 2-3 win pitcher with 4 more years of control.

Price will help you win now and next year more than down the road, but if he gets 4 more years as a 3-win guy after his “walk” year then he’s probably going to be worth about 16-17 wins from now until the end of a hypothetical 4-year extension. If you can replace Taveras in right with a 2-win player (Craig or one of the other kids, Piscotty/Grichuk), then you’ve got close to the same production you would have gotten out of Taveras and Miller, ASSUMING (a big if) Taveras turns into a perennial All-Star in 2016.

A deal (with a commitment from Price) would mean a ton more money, but the Cards have flexibility now and a big contract coming off the books after 2016. If Price says he’ll re-up, as much as it would hurt, I’d say do the deal.

Don
1 year 1 month ago

I think I remember Price saying at one time that he wants to be the highest paid pitcher in baseball. But man… a year and a half of Wainwright and Price… that would be devastating with the rest of the pieces they have to support them.

DickieThong
1 year 1 month ago

If a 37 year old R.A. Dickey got the Mets d’Arnaud and Syndergaard, then I think Hamels should command a lot more.

MilkMeMore
1 year 1 month ago

Jays were desperate though, LA isnt. That’s like when the Giants traded away wheeler.

Phillies_Aces35
1 year 1 month ago

I’d lower the ask to two of those guys (Preferably Seager and Pederson) and a buy low guy like Zach Lee and kick in other pieces like a Ben Revere or a Marlon Byrd (if the Dodgers deal Kemp in some type of three way trade). I may only even require Seager in a deal if it include more high quality guys.

I don’t think the Phillies could make a deal without getting two of Seager, Peterson, and Urias back plus a few other pieces in the low minors. They can’t afford to not get a franchise changing package for Hamels.

MilkMeMore
1 year 1 month ago

If they trade kemp they wont trade pederson and if they trade pederson they wont trade kemp. So That first scenario doesn’t seem too likely.

Dodgerz88
1 year 1 month ago

Looks like Dodgers are out the running for Hamels.

Jeff Miller
1 year 1 month ago

While it’s definitely a lot to ask for Seager, Pederson and Urias, we are talking about a top 5 LHP, in his prime with a good contract that you know you’ll have through at least 2018, possibly 2019. If it comes down to 2 of the 3, I’d take Pederson and Seager and expect a few more good prospects. The Phillies need high potential bats close to big league ready. They need to build and play to their ballpark which favors hitting. Urias looks legit, but Phillies fans have seen over the last few years that great pitching means nothing if you’re plating 2-3 runs per game.

For those 2 this a deal I’d be comfortable making:

Cole Hamels, Cody Asche, Aaron Altherr and Kelly Dugan for Corey Seager, Joc Pederson, Chris Anderson, Scott Schebler, Darnell Sweeney and Yimi Garcia.

While they’re not the same level of prospect, the Dodgers would get a couple upper level outfielders to replenish their system a bit and a young 3B to go along with Hamels.

Still don’t see why the Dodgers would even be interested in Hamels at this point though unless they lose Kershaw, Greinke or Ryu to TJ surgery that could see them miss the rest of this season and next season.

bagpipes5
1 year 1 month ago

Cole Hamels is pitching like he wants to get traded to a contender. He was on the DL to start the season. Take away his first 3 starts which were basically his spring training Hamels has a 1.98 era this season in 13 starts.

Thats pitching in the bandbox in Philadelphia

Last 2 starts he has cranked it up to 95-96 mph on occassion.

FWIW Hamels has a 1.64 career era in Dodger Stadium.

bagpipes5
1 year 1 month ago

A blockbuster between LAD and Philly makes so much sense.

Hamels,Revere,Papelbon to LA

Matt Kemp + Prospects to Philly

Philadelphia needs a CF in the worst way and they can handle Kemps contract as they just signed a $3 B TV deal.