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Update: Keith Law just predicted Torii Hunter will make 16MM/year in Texas. That gels with what Andruw's seeking.
Tim discussed The Andruw Jones Situation recently and whether he'd accept a 1-year deal or a 5-year hometown discount. Now, the Atlanta Journal-Constitution discusses the inevitable departure of Andruw Jones here and here.
Despite Andruw coming off career-worst season of hitting .222 with 26 homeruns and 94 RBIs, Scott Boras has said there's "no way" he'll accept a 1-year deal. Instead, he's seeking a contract at the "fair-market value" of $17-20 million per year. That's Vernon Wells-esque. And why not? Wells has yet to approach Andruw's career production. And it's always easy to forget after 12 years in the bigs that Andruw Jones is only 30.
Jones has three games left on his contract that paid him $75MM over the last 6 years, a real hometown discount. Boras has made it known they have no interest in taking another one.
With the Braves' desire to re-sign their new-darling Mark Teixeira after next season, who in the interim will command around $12MM in arbitration, along with salary increases for John Smoltz, Tim Hudson and other arbitration eligible players, Boras' demands seem to indicate the unthinkable: An Atlanta without Andruw.
Posted By: Nat Boyle
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Well, it is kinda weird, but also kind of necessary. Andruw obviously is not worth more than 15 million per season, but for a team who needs power (padres, dodgers, giants) he may be worth that much. That, of course, is not the case for the braves. It makes sense to just let him walk, use the money to either sign some pitching, a cheaper replacement who hits for average, or put the money towards signing TEX long-term. In another move, since we will have an opening in center, I am really becoming open to the idea of trading a bullpen and position play piece for a centerfielder who can hit at the top or bottom of the order for average and play some good defense, such as david dejesus, ryan spilborgs/willy tavares, chris duffy, rocco baldelli, tony gwynn jr., randy winn, ryan freel, so taguchi, reggie willits, travis buck, sign corey patterson or aaron rowand, there are some options (perhaps not patterson) who can provide a much higher average and some good defense at about a 4th of the price. So again, since andruw seems to just be a power threat now, he is not worth an outrageous investment from the braves. It has been great having him, but the production is just not worth the investment any longer it seems.
Posted by: bravesbeast | September 28, 2007 at 12:32 PM
Being a Royals fan, Dejesus to the braves makes a lot of sense. Moore knows the guys in that system, and is willing to work out deals with JS. Jo-Jo Reyes and Martin Prado for Dejesus. Too much?
Not enough?
Just a thought
Posted by: Royal Blue | September 28, 2007 at 12:47 PM
I can't imagine teams offering $20M per on a long term deal. He'd be worth about $20M per year IF he had his 2006 offensive numbers. That's definitely best case now, and you're talking about a player with range (and offensive production in general) that's going to be declining over the life of the contract.
The Braves would be fools to pay that.
This year, Jones was worth about $12M. We can assume his average offensive season over the life of the contract (say 5 years) will be better than this year, maybe something like 30 HR, 90+ RBI, .265/.345/.470.
If he maintained his current defense, and put up those numbers each year, he'd be worth somewhere around $14-15M per. Since his defense will decline a bit with age, push that down a bit.
$68M over 5 years sounds about right.
That said, someone will probably offer something like $70M/4.
Posted by: bobo | September 28, 2007 at 12:47 PM
DeJesus should have zero trade value. A guy with a career EqA of .264, OPS+ of 101, FRAA of -8,and WARP-3 around 6 (down to 4.5 this year), shouldn't be able to bring in much. To justify those offensive numbers he would have to be a hell of a defender and he isn't even average according to his FRAA.
Posted by: Ripwa | September 28, 2007 at 01:06 PM
I could really see a team like the Orioles going after Andruw in the offseason. I don't think they will be re-signing Corey Patterson. It's all in if Andruw wants to come to Baltimore, though. He wants to be on a competitive team, and they'd have to sell pretty hard.
If they were able to make some good trades involving some young talent and guys like Tejada, Daniel Cabrera and Jay Payton to help bring in some better pitching depth, they could possibly be a competitive team next season.
Their lineup could look something like:
1. B. Roberts - 2B
2. T. Redman - LF
3. N. Markakis - RF
4. A. Jones - CF
5. K. Millar - 1B
6. A. Huff - DH
7. R. Hernandez - C
8. M. Mora - 3B
9. L. Hernandez - SS
With front three SP's of Bedard, Guthrie and Loewen as well... it looks pretty nice.
Posted by: TheBigDMoney | September 28, 2007 at 01:11 PM
AJ will get a bigger deal than 4/$70mil. I mean come on, Wells got a 7/$125mil deal (granted after a career year) but over the course of their careers and/or peak season vs. peak season AJ is by far the superior player... And I think Boras would much rather get years than extra dollars and a shorter contract... All that said, I bet Andruw will sign either a 6/$100mil or a 7/$110-$115mil. There are waaaay to many suitors for it to not happen.
Posted by: DonCoburleone | September 28, 2007 at 01:28 PM
As far as suitors I like the Orioles, Dodgers, Padres, Giants, Rangers & White Sox... And "maybe" teams would also include Seattle (move Ichiro back to right) and Washington (big name for their new ballpark)...
Posted by: DonCoburleone | September 28, 2007 at 01:33 PM
I'm glad he is gone. He is fat piece of crap who only wants to hit homeruns. I hope he goes to San Diego and hits .200 with 20 HR's. I'd rather have Mike Cameron than Jones right now.
Posted by: Bravesfanuc | September 28, 2007 at 01:37 PM
And I must say as a Braves fan, I'm glad we are not going to pay him that kind of money... After watching him all season I can definitively say that all the runs he saves in the outfield is NOWHERE NEAR the amount of runs he costs us at the plate. He's been playing the most physically demanding position in baseball for 10 full seasons now. He is 30 going on 38 and by year 3 or 4 of his contract his defense will start to become an issue (to go along with his already declining bat). I enjoyed watching him play over the years but for all the Braves fans who "can't imagine life without Andruw Jones" I have 2 things to say to you:
1)How many championships did we win with Andruw patrolling center?
&
2)WHAT HAVE YOU DONE FOR ME LATELY???
Posted by: DonCoburleone | September 28, 2007 at 01:41 PM
I know Aaron Rowand would be a good replacement for Jones, but I wouldn't consider him able to hit for average in place of Jones's Power. He's hitting over .300 in a career year, but before this season was around a .270 hitter I think.
Posted by: no funny hats | September 28, 2007 at 02:01 PM
Does anyone know if Randy Winn is still under contract with the Giants? I think him (or even Dave Roberts) would be a good 1 year option...
Posted by: DonCoburleone | September 28, 2007 at 02:04 PM
Dejesus would be a pretty good option, MUCH cheaper could hit leadoff for us. even if he didnt hit leadoff he could hit at the bottom of the lineup. our offense is fine. We need to make a move for a SP to sure up the rotation and were back in the playoffs simple as that. hate to see AJ go but i think its time. and he will have a very nice bounce back year somewhere else next year.
Posted by: thedeuce | September 28, 2007 at 02:12 PM
Jones will be a tremendous bust. His defense will continue to regress along with his speed.
Anyone who pays the guy more than $13m/year is just crazy.
As for him being worth $12m THIS year how did you arrive at that number? The guy barely hit above the Mendoza line. His 26 homers is decent. However, his Slugging % is LOWER than Kenny Lofton's.
Teams would be better off with Rowand at 4/40. The guy will give you .280 w/ 15Hr's and play a good CF. More importantly, he will save you $25-30m over 4 years. Granted he doesn't have the upside of Jones, but he also doesn't carry anywhere near the same risk.
Posted by: bjsguess | September 28, 2007 at 02:13 PM
i called it. i told you they wouldnt take a 1 year deal. You people always underestimate Boras.
Posted by: themfightnwords | September 28, 2007 at 02:18 PM
DeJesus isn't worth anything?
Um, ok. His OPS is 17out of 27 CFs with 400 ABs or more. That is higher than Andruw Jones, Melky Cabrera, Jacque Jones, and Coco Crisp and within .015 of Damon and Matthews.
Oh, and DDJ makes $2.5M in 2008, $3.6M in 2009, $4.7M in 2010, and $6M in 2011.
Tell me again how that isn't a valuable player to ANY team?
Posted by: George Purcell | September 28, 2007 at 02:33 PM
hey all AJ has to do is say you know what ill take a real hometown discount and sing a 8/70 he doesnt need 15-20 mill a year. sure "market value" says to pay him that, but he doesnt have to ask for it. IF he wanted to be a brave his whole career he could. ONE time id like to see someone make a choice like that. players are just as greedy as the agents.
Posted by: thedeuce | September 28, 2007 at 02:35 PM
Wasn't Andruw Jones offensively pretty much like Sammy Sosa this year, if not worse? And because he can play defense he is worth how much?? I'm confused...
Posted by: Aduncaroo | September 28, 2007 at 02:37 PM
I just looked it up and the numbers are scary.
Sosa:
AVG .252 | HR 21 | RBI 92 | OBP .311 | SLG .471
Jones:
AVG .222 | HR 26 | RBI 94 | OBP .311 | SLG .413
I love his defense, don't get me wrong...but its only getting worse. I just don't see how anyone can pay Jones that kind of money.
Even in LA, Pierre has to cover more ground than Jones does at this point in his career....not to say he is better...but you can get a corner outfielder that is going to hit much better than AJ does. Hell, apparently Sammy Sosa fits that bill!
Posted by: Aduncaroo | September 28, 2007 at 02:54 PM
Jay Payton may bring in pitching depth, but it'll be in the 2007 Paul Shuey mold.
Posted by: QuoSF | September 28, 2007 at 02:55 PM
By the way, those numbers are with AJ having between 150 and 200 more at bats!
Posted by: Aduncaroo | September 28, 2007 at 02:56 PM
Don Coburleone: Wynn is locked up with SF thru '09.
Posted by: Nat Boyle | September 28, 2007 at 03:32 PM
George -
He has a below average career EqA and FRAA. I might have overreacted saying he is worthless, but he is not worth a ton. He is a 27 year old below average player. He is not getting any teams top prospect or even 2nd best prospect as the other commenter asked. He is not a starter on a good team. He is probably a 4th OFer on half the teams in the majors.
Posted by: Ripwa | September 28, 2007 at 03:45 PM
I generally go by BP's numbers for what a player is worth.
His total WARP this year is about 3.6, which is worth about $12M.
They say he's 14 runs above replacement on offense, and 18 on defense (by comparison, last year he was 49 runs above replacement on offense).
Posted by: bobo | September 28, 2007 at 03:50 PM
I like the guy, but after this year he left a bad taste in my mouth. Focus on resigning Teixera, who'll hit at least as many homers, but not ground into a rally-ending double play every time he comes up, and find a CF who'll hit for average.
Posted by: FineHamAbounds | September 28, 2007 at 04:18 PM
It kills me to see Braves fans rip this guy. He had an off-year at the plate, sure. And don't get me wrong, it was brutal. But people bounce back from years like that all the time.
And he's still 4th in MLB for putouts as a CF, on pace for over 400. Reports of his decline seem to have been greatly exaggerated. :-)
But anyhow, I don't think he'll be in Atlanta next year. The only case in which he would is if he accepts arbitration, and he's indicated that he wants a multi-year deal, so I don't see that happening. Personally, I'd like to see the Braves get DeJesus or Crisp or some other glove guy who can hit 8th and provide strong defense. A cheap option that'll maintain a high defensive standard is all we need; the offense will be in the top 5 of the NL even with pitcher production from the 8th hole.
Posted by: mraver | September 28, 2007 at 05:11 PM
Dejesus for Jo-Jo reyes and Martin Prado?
Pretty sure that is not likely to happen, simply because jo-jo reyes is our best pitching prospect in a system who has really no depth in the high minors, i mean depth in terms of respectable major league material. I was thinking more along the lines of a blaine boyer, phil stockman, so on along with prado type deal.
Posted by: bravesbeast | September 28, 2007 at 05:11 PM
DeJesus, outside this year, has been a near .800 OPS center fielder with above average defense. That is very valuable. He also has a very nice contract for the next few years, I don't think one down year is going to lower is value that much.
I don't see the Braves being a good trade partner, not much there except low in the system. The Marlins or Rangers are probably better trade scenarios.
Posted by: firesticks | September 29, 2007 at 12:14 AM
BP's fielding metrics and replacement level for WARP are hysterically bad.
Posted by: plh903 | September 29, 2007 at 01:43 PM
If Dru decides to leave Atlanta, what are the chances that the Braves could get Curtis Granderson from Detroit. I thought I read somewhere that the Tigers have some interest in Renteria and the two teams have a steady history of making deals.
Posted by: jsizzle | October 02, 2007 at 03:00 PM