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Bay To Indians Talks Revived, Then Dead Again?
UPDATE, 12-5-07 at 2:24pm: The Indians and Pirates haven't even talked about Bay since the Meetings began.
UPDATE, 12-5-07 at 10:58am: Buster Olney says these talks are dead.
FROM 12-5-07 at 7:35am:
According to Dejan Kovacevic, the Indians felt pressured when they saw the division-rival Tigers trade for Miguel Cabrera. Their response was to restart their conversations with the Pirates for outfielder Jason Bay.
A five-player trade is being discussed, apparently expanding upon the rumor originally reported by ESPN's Steve Phillips. The Bucs would send Bay and catcher Ronny Paulino for Franklin Gutierrez, Kelly Shoppach, and Cliff Lee. Looks like the Pirates are seeking MLB-ready guys, though they wanted prospects from the Rangers yesterday. Late last night it was also said that the Padres had jumped into the fray for Bay.
It's decent value for Bay, who should really only be traded this winter if the Pirates feel his decline is for real. It's not surprising to see the Tribe in on Bay, since the Pirates' GM came from their organization.
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The Indians' team page indicated that they would not make a "panic deal." I wonder if the Tribe is able to let Shoppach go now that Victor has improved on throwing out stolen base thiefs. Cliff Lee's agent thinks that he will be dealt this off-season.
Posted by: jessethebody | December 05, 2007 at 07:44 AM
I guess the Indians would shift Victor Martinez to 1st and let Kelly Shoppach & Paulino compete for the catching job. Good way to prolong V-Mart's career.
Posted by: jatorres | December 05, 2007 at 07:58 AM
Also gives them some good trading chips in Ryan Garko & Shoppach.
Posted by: jatorres | December 05, 2007 at 07:59 AM
I don't think it's good value for Bay at all. It'd be a great trade for the Tribe though.
Posted by: b_diddy_7 | December 05, 2007 at 08:04 AM
Paulino could use a change of scenery and is a better defensive catcher than Victor (who isn't?). Having Garko as a trade chip would be a nice offset to this deal, though I think the Pirates are correct in assessing that Bay's decline is a permanent one. The Indians should look elsewhere.
Posted by: Mattyc44 | December 05, 2007 at 08:19 AM
anyone know much on guitierrez. also it says it would be a catcher swap. tribe wouldn't still have Shoppach, but I think a backup C and catcher when vic plays 1st. just to keep him fresh there.
Posted by: StLknows | December 05, 2007 at 08:35 AM
Guit came over in the Milton Bradley trade. He has excellent range and a very good arm. He can play all 3 OF positions. Offensively, he struggled in the playoffs but played a solid OF during the year (100 games, 13 HR, 36 RBI, .266 ave). Right now, he is a good fourth OF for the Indians. He has yet to prove that he can be a run producing corner OF.
Posted by: jessethebody | December 05, 2007 at 10:06 AM
I guess that the rumor is dead, again:
http://blog.cleveland.com/sports/2007/12/report_says_cleveland_indians.html
Posted by: jessethebody | December 05, 2007 at 01:05 PM
If the Indians really feel like they need to make a splash, that could prompt a stupid deal.
Posted by: drzimo | December 05, 2007 at 02:28 PM
Why dont the Buc's and the Blue Jays hook up. Could they give like Marcum and Lind for Bay? Even if they had to throw in another AAA arm they have the depth to do it. Some of these guys like Chacin might fair okay in the NLC. Toronto gets their Canadian and they could have a sick lineup and rotation.
Posted by: nrmax88 | December 05, 2007 at 02:35 PM
2B Hill
RF Rios
CF Wells
DH Thomas
LF Bay
3B Glaus ?
1B Overbay
C Zaun??
SS Macdonald
8 and 9 spots would stink, but 1-7 could be lethal. You could also arrange that batting order pretty much however you want.
Pair it with a rotation lead by Halladay, Burnett, and Mcgowan, and hopefully getting BJ Ryan back, they could compete at least for the WC.
Posted by: nrmax88 | December 05, 2007 at 02:40 PM
So Bay posts OPS of .908 in 2004, .961 in 2005, and .928 in 2006, but he has one injury plagued season and now he is on a permanent decline at age 28? Seriously?
How often do 3 straight 900 OPS seasons lie about a player. This guy is a good hitter.
Posted by: nrmax88 | December 05, 2007 at 02:49 PM
"I don't think it's good value for Bay at all. It'd be a great trade for the Tribe though."
I think it'd be the other way around. Franklin Gutierrez is a very good young outfielder, and could be near Bays equal by 2009. Kelly Shoppach is a starter on most teams, and a solid upgrade from Paulino. Cliff Lee had some really good seasons in Cleveland, but pitched awful last year. In the NL, seeing him bounce back wouldn't surprise me. Meanwhile, Bay played really poor last season, and while he is a fantastic hitter, moving to the AL wouldn't help him get his confidence back as a hitter, and I see that swap being a clear win for the Pirates, even though its not gonna happen.
Posted by: scribbletone | December 05, 2007 at 04:31 PM