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UPDATE, 12-5-07 at 5:09pm: In a Baseball Prospectus chat today, Will Carroll said "Fukudome will decide today. Someone made a big offer." By that, Carroll means Fukudome will sign today.
UPDATE, 12-5-07 at 1:17pm: Jon Heyman suggests the Red Sox could get involved on Fukudome. Where to put him?
FROM 12-5-07 at 8:43am:
Let's start a thread just for Kosuke Fukudome. The prevailing sentiment is that the Cubs are the frontrunners for his services. Newsday's Ken Davidoff adds today that Fukudome has narrowed his choices to the Cubs and Royals.
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Dayton Moore said the Royals weren't interested in Fukedome yesterday I think. Has anyone heard they were, or did his source confuse the Royals' interest in Kuroda? Interesting thought though.
Posted by: mattk | December 05, 2007 at 08:48 AM
FUKUDOME!! Please sign with the Cubs, Kosuke-san.
Posted by: IowaCubs | December 05, 2007 at 08:49 AM
Is there any reason not to pay him the big bucks?
Won't he practically pay for himself with the added merchandise revenue?
Posted by: dbldutch | December 05, 2007 at 08:52 AM
I guess Kenny Williams strikes out again. He's probably too busy trying to talk Roberto Alomar out of retirement. Way to go, Kenny.
Posted by: Rick in Indiana | December 05, 2007 at 08:53 AM
When will KW wake up? Fukudome is a perfect fit for the Sox. If he was willing to throw money away by signing Hunter, he should throw that money at Fukudome. Money better spent, in my opinion.
Posted by: BIGHURT35 | December 05, 2007 at 09:00 AM
The Royals? Really? Wow.
Posted by: Ben | December 05, 2007 at 09:10 AM
The White Sox? LOL. Who would want to come to America and play for that awful organization?
Posted by: Joey Kittens | December 05, 2007 at 09:16 AM
Why the hell would he want to sign with the Royals. I now question his intelligence.
Posted by: GlenallenHill | December 05, 2007 at 09:19 AM
If Hendry loses Fukudome to the freaking Royals, he should be fired for gross incompetence.
Posted by: chris heer | December 05, 2007 at 09:24 AM
Because Glenallen, the Royals are the team that's overpaying for their free agents right now, and you'd have to be dumb if you're an agent to not include them as potential suitors. They're driving up prices.
Posted by: conorj | December 05, 2007 at 09:26 AM
It's better than playing for an organization that hasn't won in 99 years. Who's ownership is up in the air. Who's fans come to the game drunk and dont even watch the game because they are too busy on their cell phones. You're right - the Cubs are a much better choice. Get real. I'd choose the Royals over the Cubs. At least their GM has a clue.
Posted by: BIGHURT35 | December 05, 2007 at 09:28 AM
I'd be much more worried if it was the Giants or Mariners..
Posted by: conorj | December 05, 2007 at 09:34 AM
Hey BIGHURT35, take your Sox-based Cubhate elsewhere, along with your incorrect cliches. Fukudome will follow the $$$, was my point, and the Cubs can certainly outspend the Royals.
Oh, and if you're trying to suggest that Cub fans are drunker than Sox fans...please. Anyway, enjoy all of that Ozzie-based bunting this year. Should be a hoot.
Posted by: chris heer | December 05, 2007 at 09:50 AM
KW has do something - even if is only to make it look like he is trying. At this point, we cannot contend with the Tigers, but he has to make a major move to at least take a shot at winning in 2008. There isn't much left to pick from, unless you overpay.
Posted by: BIGHURT35 | December 05, 2007 at 09:50 AM
Fukudome might want to play for the manager in Kansas City. If I'm not mistaken he just came back from managing in Japan. They might know each other. And from where I'm sitting the Royals have a good chance of finishing ahead of the White Sox next year. And I wouldn't be critical of another teams fans when your own fans are known for running on the field and beating up a first base coach.
Posted by: cachhubguy | December 05, 2007 at 09:56 AM
As long as we're arguing Cubs and Sox. Cubs fans are drunk. But Sox fans get drunk and try to beat up the players/coaches/refs/each other...And let's face it. Not every team can go from first to last so quickly without a fire sale. At least when the Marlins do it, they have an excuse.
Posted by: Cynic81 | December 05, 2007 at 10:02 AM
At least Sox fans didn't cost the team a shot at a World Series by interfering with the ball in play. Go Cub Fans!!!
Posted by: BIGHURT35 | December 05, 2007 at 10:03 AM
It's funny how Sox fans are always the ones to start talking trash.
Posted by: grathanial | December 05, 2007 at 10:06 AM
"And I wouldn't be critical of another teams fans when your own fans are known for running on the field and beating up a first base coach."
As opposed to the cubs fans that run on the field and try to attack Bob Howry? Or the ones that throw trash on their "sacred" ground known as Wrigley Field in a show of protest?? Please. Its safe to say that both sides of town have knuckle heads so why dont we stop this bantering back and forth.
Posted by: forlife61 | December 05, 2007 at 10:07 AM
good one big hurt, we havent heard that one before. id prefer to live in 2007/8 where the cubs are loaded with young talent and are looking to upgrade to be the best team in the nl.
...while your white sox are mired at the bottom of the division, with an old team and little hope for the future.
but you have fun watching re-runs of the bartman play. have a nice morning.
Posted by: kyle jo | December 05, 2007 at 10:07 AM
I hope this thread doesn't turn into the typical Cubs/Sox war, with Sox fans coming up with their usual 2-3 comebacks we have been hearing for years.
Posted by: grathanial | December 05, 2007 at 10:10 AM
Cub fans get so defensive. Loosen up a little.
Posted by: BIGHURT35 | December 05, 2007 at 10:12 AM
"with Sox fans coming up with their usual 2-3 comebacks we have been hearing for years."
Right and Sox fans havent been hearing how the S.Side is trash and hillbillys, etc. Just Sox fans right, Cubs fans dont dont have comebacks right?? Please.
Posted by: forlife61 | December 05, 2007 at 10:13 AM
To change the subject, I looked up some Fukudome videos on youtube, and he looks EXACTLY like Matsui on the yankees.
Posted by: grathanial | December 05, 2007 at 10:13 AM
forlife61. you say let's stop the bantering and then you continue. Both sides of town have smart baseball fans and knuckleheads, let's leave it at that.
Posted by: cachhubguy | December 05, 2007 at 10:21 AM
So back to Fukudome...
Trey Hillman did manage in Japan before the Royals, but he didn't manage Fukudome. Hillman likes Fukudome a lot so it makes sense that they're in the running.
But the Cubs are still considered the front runners.
On an interesting side note, according to Hendry, both Sam Fuld and Felix Pie are untouchable and will be fighting over the CF position in Spring Training. Fuld only had 6 ABs last year, but he looked good defensively and hit over .400 in the Arizona Fall League.
That could turn into an unexpected position battle.
Posted by: Cynic81 | December 05, 2007 at 10:29 AM
Yeah, it's just that the southside has bigger knuckleheads and a severe inferiority complex. That's all I have to say about that.
Posted by: NancyEcho1469 | December 05, 2007 at 10:33 AM
Nancy...I'm a Cubs fan...but shut up. Just leave it alone. If you want to fight about Cubs and Sox...just go to Chicago. This site is not for that....
Fuld is interesting. He just won the MVP of the Arizona Fall League, which isn't the best league, but still...he made one of the best RF defensive plays Wrigley has ever seen last year...Fuld and Hart got call ups last year and really impressed. Even if they aren't on other teams radars, its really nice to see some young talent in the Cubs system come up and contribute. I think thats where Lou has really helped this entire franchise...Dusty wouldn't have even given those players second looks. Hart is the real deal...we will find out about fuld too.
Posted by: Aduncaroo | December 05, 2007 at 10:38 AM
I hate when teams say "untouchable." Nobody should be untouchable, given the right offer.
And Fuld...er, what? OK, look, I know he's tearing up the AFL, but...we're talking about the 26-year-old with a career MiLB line of .296/.377/.418, right? I mean, that's decent enough, but he's not the next superstar.
Posted by: chris heer | December 05, 2007 at 10:40 AM
He definitely isn't the next superstar...but he might be a solid utility guy in the outfield for league minimum....thats a very valuable find out of nowhere...
Posted by: Aduncaroo | December 05, 2007 at 10:42 AM
Even though the fall league isn't exactly tough, he still led it most hitting categories and got on base in 27 of 29 games. I don't care if everyone loves Pie, unless he can get on base he's just a fast CF with a good arm. If Fuld can provide adequate defense, which it seems he can, and can get on base more than Pie in Spring Training, he could actually beat out Felix for the starting spot.
Posted by: Cynic81 | December 05, 2007 at 10:46 AM
@ Chris Heer
A look at Geovany Soto before last years surge shows a really crappy MiLB line over and over again.
Fuld produced last year and ranks as the Cubs best prospect in fall/winter ball. I'd give him a chance to be the starting CF over Pie for sure.
Posted by: MrTruman | December 05, 2007 at 10:51 AM
I agree, he's not a superstar, but I do think if the Cubs are going to fill CF from within, Fuld might actually have a shot at beating out Pie for the role.
And Fuld's .296/.377/.418 isn't too different from Pie's .300/.358/.468. And Pie has 6 minor league seasons compared to Fuld's 3.
Posted by: Cynic81 | December 05, 2007 at 10:53 AM
I wonder what the Cubs have offered Fukudome because the Pads have offered 3/$10M http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20071205/news_1s5padres.html and his agent says nothing is close. I'd take every Kosuke rumor with a chunk of salt.
Posted by: agro23 | December 05, 2007 at 10:56 AM
Wow, everyone is so touchy and sensitive today. I still enjoy the Cubs-Sox banter myself though. Made me laugh before starting my day
Posted by: goathedxxx | December 05, 2007 at 10:59 AM
I'm not saying Fuld can't be good...but Pie tore up AAA at the age of like 21...wasn't Fuld in like AA at like 25? Again, Fuld can be good...be he has nowhere near the upside of Felix. Fuld might get on base, but he has no power whatsoever. Pie's ceiling is Carlos Beltran...so I think the Cubs are going to be hesitant to hand the job to Fuld over Pie. I like Fuld...but I think at best he is an outfield super sub.
Posted by: Aduncaroo | December 05, 2007 at 10:59 AM
I think you meant 3/$30M. I'd guess it will end up being closer to 3/$40.
Posted by: Cynic81 | December 05, 2007 at 11:00 AM
by the way, Pie is not just a fast CF with a good arm. He is a defensive STUD. Look at his UZR and RZR ratings...along with a gun, he is gold glove calibur right now. I've been saying this to everyone, he only needs to hit like .250 to be very valuable to this team. Especially if they can get some production from RF.
Posted by: Aduncaroo | December 05, 2007 at 11:01 AM
Yeah, 3/$30M, $10M per.
Posted by: agro23 | December 05, 2007 at 11:04 AM
The only problem with Pie is that right now, it looks like he couldn't hit .250.
Posted by: Cynic81 | December 05, 2007 at 11:08 AM
Hey Fuld isn't that bad defensively himself. Anyone remember him bailing out "Stevie Ire", crashing into the bricks then throwing out dude to complete one of the best double plays of '07. Im a die hard Cub fan for 30 years now. Now, I don't care whose "projected" to do what, I just wanna see them do it. If Fuld keeps playing defense like that and the consistent bat from the AFL, then HELLO my new centerfielder!!!
Posted by: goathedxxx | December 05, 2007 at 11:12 AM
Guys...you can't give up on Pie just yet. Look at his numbers at AAA last year. Its there, he just needs some time to adjust. I would love to have Fuld on this team too...but I just don't see him starting on any good team. Keep in mind that Pie probably would have made that catch look easy, because he would have already been standing there. Maybe not...but believe me, Pie is the better defender.
Posted by: Aduncaroo | December 05, 2007 at 11:15 AM
I'm by no means giving up on Pie. Like I said, he can't hit .250 RIGHT NOW. He just has to figure out how to handle Major League pitching and then he will be the CF for a long time. Until that happens though, it wouldn't surprise me if whoever get on base more gets the most time. Pie will get there, eventually. And hopefully sooner than later. But if he pulls another .215, then either Fuld will take over or the Cubs will look for someone else for right now.
Posted by: Cynic81 | December 05, 2007 at 11:25 AM
Im not giving up on Pie either, but Fulr reminds me of The Riot, real scrappy. I like that. And that's what we need now. We're set to win now, maybe not Tiger set, at least represent the NL I'll be hella-mad(yeah, I said hella) if we lose a few games because Pie is not getting on in the ninth in front of Rami and Lee. Especially If those games are crucial to the standings. I wanna see him thrive,but if Fuld can do it now, then the name Sammy will finally be restored in this city.
Posted by: goathedxxx | December 05, 2007 at 11:54 AM
LOL Fulr, *FULD. Im giving the guy crazy props then misspell his name. Im retarded. Sorry Sam, if your checking yourself out on here
Posted by: goathedxxx | December 05, 2007 at 11:57 AM
"Im not giving up on Pie either, but Fulr reminds me of The Riot, real scrappy"
Way to knock on Fuld goathedxxx, by the way, you misspelled "crappy"
Posted by: jamesb | December 05, 2007 at 12:20 PM
When I hear people talk about Pie, and compare his AAA line to his big league line, I can't help but think of what everyone said about Rich Hill. In 2006, Hill had a 1.7 ERA and a 12 k/9 rating in AAA, but in a handful of starts had a 0-4 with a 7.5+ (dont know exactly) era. You're not going to teach Pie about hitting unless he's out there learning himself. He CAN learn, his first MLB hit was against Maddux. But you're not going to teach him as he plays cheerleader.
And Sam Fuld, scrappy? Yes, but so is Theriot. No way they're starting on a World Series calibur team. He's a great defensive replacement/pinch runner/4th or 5th of for the price, but you don't win a WS with Sam Fuld getting 400+ at bats.
Posted by: thecubsdontcatchtheball | December 05, 2007 at 12:34 PM
John Heyman is ESPN's version of Phil Rogers - his rumors are usually him making stuff up so he can write a column.
Posted by: hemingways | December 05, 2007 at 01:22 PM
Heyman said the Red Sox may be interested in outfielder Hiroki Fukudome.
Probably all you need to know right there that it isn't true.
Posted by: quintjs | December 05, 2007 at 01:28 PM
Will Carrol at BP is reporting that the White Sox are making a very strong, late push for Fukodome.
Posted by: munchman33 | December 05, 2007 at 01:28 PM
Why should the Sox try to sign anymore players when they obviously cannot beat the tigers or indians at this point.
I was looking forward to this season extremely but the facts are in, the Sox do not have a team that can compete with or without Fuko
Posted by: Franchise | December 05, 2007 at 01:28 PM
"Why should the Sox try to sign anymore players when they obviously cannot beat the tigers or indians at this point."
Red.
Posted by: ArodSucksAtLife | December 05, 2007 at 01:38 PM
I hope the Royals land Fukudome-senshuu because I want to see him play in the AL Central. Man, if they got him, they could really shake things up in the AL central. Not saying they are going to win it or anything like that.
It's just crazy how in 2 years the Twins could go from the best team in the AL central to the worst.
Posted by: Lezard | December 05, 2007 at 01:38 PM
am i the only person who thinks Tampa Bay can make a serious run at him? they're a perfect fit. him and imumora(spelled wrong) can be a reason to sign there. plus they have a huge gaping hole they need to fill with a good hitter which fukudome has already proven. he and carl crawford and an unknown would be a great OF
Posted by: fgsfsfbbbrd | December 05, 2007 at 01:40 PM
The Rays signed Iwamura to a 3/$12M contract. I can't see them throwing 3/$35-40 at Fukudome.
Posted by: Cynic81 | December 05, 2007 at 01:47 PM
IF the Cubs don't get Fukudome, they will end up trading for Raul Ibanez, so either way we're straight, we just need another starting pitcher to win it all
Posted by: CUBSin08 | December 05, 2007 at 02:21 PM
The Royals have no interest in Kosuke Fukudome due to the fact he is left handed.. the royals are strictly looking for a right handed power hitter in the outfield to complement Jose Guillen.. you did indeed get him confused with Hiroki Kuroda they show a lot of interest in him.
Posted by: Focs | December 05, 2007 at 02:29 PM
One more thing though.. Fukudome may have interest in the Royals but its not mutual.. Fukudome has interest because Yasuhiko Yabuta just went there and also manger Trey Hillman managed in Japan for the last 5 years
Posted by: Focs | December 05, 2007 at 02:35 PM
I don't know if I would say it's entirely not mutual. Hillman had some pretty impressive things to say about Fukudome. It sounds like he'd definitely take him if there was a chance.
Posted by: Cynic81 | December 05, 2007 at 02:38 PM
Right I understand that Hillman likes him, the Royals just have to many left handed hitters and have their targets on a right hander.. Im not saying they think he is bad or anything
Posted by: Focs | December 05, 2007 at 03:00 PM
ANY WORD ON ANY STARTING PITCHERS SIGNINGS FOR THE CUBS AT ALL? WE NEED A 4 & 5, ILL TAKE A RUMOR, I DONT CARE!
Posted by: CUBSin08 | December 05, 2007 at 03:13 PM
I heard we are trading Prior's dead arm for Cy Young and Satchel Paige. Although I think I'm the only one who has heard that rumor.
Posted by: Cynic81 | December 05, 2007 at 03:17 PM
haha, but seriously, anything?
Posted by: CUBSin08 | December 05, 2007 at 03:23 PM
Cubs Suck.......................
Posted by: CUBS=NOTHING | December 05, 2007 at 03:33 PM
Probably a White Sox fan who wrote that, good luck watchin old worn out farts try to hit and young non-skilled kids play the "Ozzie" bunt game, that should be exciting! You guys might get 60 wins, and if this is a Cardinals fan, dont get jealous that we are and will be the best in the division for years to come.
Posted by: CUBSin08 | December 05, 2007 at 03:39 PM
ya sox fans need to shut there mouths i love how they think they can talk because of the world series , they have no life wow who cares if u were the world series champs in 05 thats 2 years ago where r u now down in the cellar of your division but what i think about fukudome is i want him on the cubs right now and then they could trade prior to the reds along with sumone else to get griffey or hamilton or dunn , ne of those 3 would be great
Posted by: cubsworldserieschamps08 | December 05, 2007 at 04:28 PM
ALL SOUNDS GOOD MY FELLOW CUB FAN, BUT WE NEED PITCHING!!!! WE ALREADY HAVE OFFENSE, A BETTER ONE NOW THAT JONES, FLOYD, & KENDALL ARE GONE. FUKUDOME WILL ADD AND SO WILL IBANEZ, we will win it all with one or both, WE NEED 1 MORE SP!
Posted by: CUBSin08 | December 05, 2007 at 04:53 PM
@cubsworldserieschamps08,
you ever heard of punctuation or even periods to seperate your thoughts into multiple sentences?
Posted by: trober81 | December 05, 2007 at 05:20 PM
I beg to differ. Fukudome would be a huge addition to that lineup. They need a OBP-producing lefthanded rightfielder. Thats essentially what Fukudome is. If the Cubs don't get him, then Hendry has really screwed up unless he can pull off some shocking trade, which would well, shock me.
Posted by: scribbletone | December 05, 2007 at 05:22 PM
Cub fans, get a life.
As for all those asking why the Sox should even try to compete, it's cause nothing's played on paper, the game is played on the field.
If it were the Cubs would have won the series the last 5 years and wouldn't have been swept by the D-backs!
Posted by: Cold Golden Falstaff | December 05, 2007 at 05:23 PM
I apologize for some of my fellow Cub fans. Every team has their bad apples.
This is great news however, Kosuke is really just what the doctor ordered for that lineup. Hopefully Lee a full year removed from his wrist injury will return to 2005-like form, and if Rami and Soriano can stay healthy you can book them for 30-40 bombs.
Posted by: Game555 | December 05, 2007 at 05:26 PM
I wish the Rays could get this guy. Power LH bat that plays RF, just the protection Carlos Pena needs. We even have a former Central League star in Aki Iwamura which could make the Rays a little bit of an easier transition from Japan.. but I guess our losing ways are more well-known than the Cubs
Posted by: DRayDude | December 05, 2007 at 05:29 PM
no ones losing ways are more well known then the cubs. cmon, they are the "loveable losers"
Posted by: trober81 | December 05, 2007 at 05:31 PM
In his blog (the Winter Meeting blog)... Carroll claims the White Sox have made a big push for Fukudome today.
Posted by: Tweezer | December 05, 2007 at 05:31 PM
I think it's the Cubbies, but I wouldn't discount KC at all.
What I've learned through Dayton's near 2 years now, is to NEVER EVER trust what he says to the media. Case in point - He says he's getting "More and more intrigued" by other players every day, then just hours later he signs Guillen, whom he was refering to.
He's CLEARLY very inclined to upgrade the offense here, and Kosuke would certainly improve the offense.
Posted by: firesticks | December 05, 2007 at 05:33 PM
What has will carroll ever been right on?
Posted by: opes | December 05, 2007 at 05:36 PM
Carroll says he believes the Sox and Cubs are both after him, but the Sox have made a big push.
Posted by: Tweezer | December 05, 2007 at 05:37 PM
Prior's health for one.
Posted by: Tweezer | December 05, 2007 at 05:38 PM
That's true, the cubs are the "loveable losers" and in the lead for this 2007 Japanese Series winner.. makes me think the Rays could actually be contenders for Fukudome if financial hurdles could be overcome.. I believe the Rays did bring in close to $30 mil in revenue sharing though.. what are the predictions for a Fukudome deal?
Posted by: DRayDude | December 05, 2007 at 05:39 PM
Lets not have another Gil Meche experience as we did last year with the Royals...
Posted by: Sooner A Cub | December 05, 2007 at 05:43 PM
So what's your guys bet on the offer? Fukudome said he only wanted three years, and I'm betting the Cubs offered him 3/$36. Four/$40-42 would be better, but I don't see it happening.
I don't know if he's worth that much, but I do agree the Cubs need him. They also need a shortstop, which I guess they will have to get by trade. Does anyone know if DeRosa can play short with any decency at all?
Posted by: RandomScrub | December 05, 2007 at 06:10 PM
DeRosa actually came up as a SS I believe. He isn't bad...but by no means amazing. You could platoon him and Theriot with DeRosa subbing at 1st, 2nd, and 3rd once in awhile as well.
My guess?
3 years, 39 mil..and maybe even a player option for the 4th year at 14 mil??
Posted by: Aduncaroo | December 05, 2007 at 07:14 PM
Fukodome I hope goes to the White sox....... This offseason has been bad enough can we atleast salvage something and shut these ignorant people up and have a shot at the tigers?
Posted by: CUBS=NOTHING | December 06, 2007 at 01:26 AM