Reds Interested In Tim Lincecum

Geez, not even Sabean is stupid enough to take that deal!

At least I pray!!!!

Is it a realistic possibility that the Reds could build an offer around Josh Hamilton instead of Bruce? Basically, any way this gets done without Bruce involved....?

no!

What if the Reds were offering something like Josh Hamilton + Votto? Giants would get a couple of really good young hitters. Don't get me wrong, I don't think they should trade Lincecum, but that seems like a package that doesn't include Bruce that still might be a bit interesting for the Giants.

Giants wouldn't give up Tim in a Cabrera deal....why give him up for less?

Hamilton + Votto wouldn't get it done. The Reds need to realize they ain't getting Lincecum and settle by trading Voto or Edwin Encarnacion for Lowry

YaSquare...

That I'd take in a heartbeat!!

Lincecum for Burce, get it done Sabean.

Wow.

Please Cashman, offer Cano + Melky (Sabean might think he's worth something) + someone for Timmah! Sabean might take it.

Please. Just imagine the rotation:

Timmah
Phil Franchise
Joba the Hutt
Ian "I'm not a 5th starter dammit" Kennedy
Chien-Mien "I'm not an ace?" Wang

Yes please. Not to mention that whole rotation will cost 15 million dollars for the next few years.

I could see it being something like Votto, Hamilton and Encarnacion. The Giants might do that, but I would be shocked if the Reds even considered it. In my opinion this deal only gets done with Jay Bruce

Henry14...

You are kidding right? :P

Why would the Giants take Yankee expendables?

Besides, we are stuck with Ray Durhams contract so Cano has no place to play.

I know the Reds dont have any guys that jump out besides Bruce, but they could give San Fran 3 or 4 cheap atleast league average guys with some upside. To a team like the Giants with holes almost everywhere, and pretty good pitching, I wonder if they would consider something like scribble proposed.

@zito4cyyoung:

The Yanks will be more than happy to take Durhams contract if Lincecum is coming back.

Second: Cano isn't "expendable". If Horne is part of the deal, he becomes a middle/back end starter in half a season. Melky, as we've established in this board, is league average. A 4th player could be someone like Cox who's an MLB ready reliever/closer.

IMHO Yanks are not good trade partners...

Giants need 3B and Relief help.

No need for Melky because we have a log jam in the OF already, unless we can somehow dump Roberts and Winn. We have Lewis and Schierholtz fighting for a spot.

At 2B we have Frandsen waiting with Velez in AAA. Cano is better than both, but we have other pressing needs first.

Waaaiittt a minute here. You're telling me that a package of Josh Hamilton, Joey Votto, and Johnny Cueto wouldn't get me Lincecum? I would disagree and would have to add that maybe that's why they picked up Hatteberg's option. Can you imagine a rotation built around Harang, Bailey, and Lincecum? Wow. Then you add Bruce and Phillips...could be great! Oh wait, there's more, Francisco Cordero. I like it, and I'm not even a Reds fan.

Scribbletone,

As a Giant fan I definitely don't want to see them trade Lincecum, but Votto, Encarnacion, and Hamilton would gave me interested. Three young, above average starters for years to come is an appealing proposition.

The Reds brought this up to the Giants. The Giants are not looking to trade Lincecum unless they could get an equal prospect in return, not 3 lesser prospects. Lincecum for Bruce is the only way this trade would get done.

Ok so the Reds want one of the Giants cornerstones but keep theirs off limits? PASS

kdub, I agree with YaSquare and scribbletone. If the Giants could pry away Encarnacion for 3B, Hamilton for CF, and Votto for 1B in exchange for Lincecum, Sabean needs to think about that deal. Yes, it would hurt to send Lincecum away, but if Sabean stands to gain three young position players who all can hit 20-25 HRs with a .290 BA for dirt cheap the next 3-4 years, you have to think long and hard about passing on it. They would still have Sanchez as another bargaining chip to fill the other corner OF slot if they didn't want to go with Schierholtz. And the rotation would still have Zito, Cain, and Lowry at the top.

No way the Giants trade away their best pitching prospect ever for an unknown in Votto, a decent player in Encarnacion (two full seasons worth of stats and he has an 800 OPS - which mirrors his minor league numbers), and a guy who has had major personal issues (and who has only 90 games under his belt).

They can do much better than that - considering that you will need them to be blown away try again.

"Votto, Encarnacion, and Hamilton"

I too am a Giants fan, and don't want to see Lincecum go... However, the Giants need a 3B, 1B, CF and the Giants have 3 "Ace" style pitcher in Cain, Lincecum & Zito... Reds could really use Lincecum, and the Giants could use the offense.

I would consider it. Although I would like Bruce, i'd take those three...

The Giants would still have 2 Lefty's (Lowry, Sanchez or Mish) to work out other areas, like the bullpen and the OF.

There is absolutely no way Sabean can agree to move Lincecum without returning one of the top prospects in the game in Bruce. While quantity would be nice to a depleted roster, it would be stupid to settle for less. The Reds would have to give up a player who has made ZERO impact on a Major League Roster for a player who has proven himself in the majors. It will take more than just Bruce to land Tim, I guarentee it.

I find it rather amusing that if the Reds are interested in Lincecum, they are basically admitting they made a mistake in the 2006 draft, passing in him and picking Drew Stubbs instead. As a Reds fan, I'd be excited to have Lincecum in Cincy but I'm afraid that Votto, Encarnacion and Hamiton wouldn't get it done.

From a fantasy standpoint, if someone offers me Hamilton, Votto and Encarnacion in a 5 year keeper league for Lincecum, I'm all over it. Pitchers only play every 5th game.

As a Giants fan, I'm still pulling the trigger if I'm Sabean. Lincecum could blow his arm out next year. There's a lot less risk of career ending injury with position players.

I hope you win your fantasy keeper league every year, but when you make it back to reality, this trade doesn't equal out. Quantity does NOT justify quality.

I would very much like to debunk Bar Rafaeli

And put her into a bunk of my own

I find it kinda funny that Bruce would net Lincecum but Hamilton wouldn't come close. They're both lefty power bats who can play center and profile as RFers. Hamilton has proven that he can do it in the majors. But he is 5 years older.

There's really not that much difference in value between the two. Its all perception.

I don't think that 90 games proves that Hamilton can play in the bigs. He also carries serious baggage from the past. While we all hope that he is beyond that we can't pretend that it never existed.

Quantity vs quality as others have said. There is just not enough quality to justify this trade.