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Heyman Weighs In On Sabathia

To review, we learned yesterday from Ed Price that the Indians are making one last effort to sign ace starter C.C. Sabathia.  Now SI.com's Jon Heyman has a new article on the ever-popular topic of Carsten Charles.  A summary follows.

  • Heyman's sources believe the Indians will not commit to a fifth guaranteed year in their offer.
  • At least a dozen teams are interested, and "every contending team but the Cardinals already has checked in with Cleveland."
  • Heyman says Sabathia is believed to be seeking at least $125MM.  But he talked to "a person who knows Sabathia" who believes the pitcher won't try to wring out every last dollar and might not prefer New York.
  • More doubt is cast on the idea of the Indians providing a window to sign Sabathia.


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I don't see this guy moving.

I'm sure he could though.

"Every contending team but the Cardinals already has checked in with Cleveland."

Does that mean Arizona checked in too? Webb-Haren-CC? Good God, even with their offense, who would beat them in the playoffs?

The whole extension thing makes it a moot point though. They would never pay the dollars CC is after.

Heck,
If ARZ gets CC (which they won't) He'd raise their team BA by like 100 pts.
Maybe Arizona is more interested in CC's offense...they need it more than his pitching

Sunblazer.. true, arizona can't sign him most likely, but if they feel like it is worth trading the prospects to make a run at the world series, they should go for it. I trust Byrnes to go a long way towards restocking the lost prospects with 3 first round picks, possibly even 5 if Hudson leaves also (is he a type A guy? I dont even know how they sort it, haven't seen a recent list).

I don't believe a word that comes out of heyman's mouth as I think he's one of the dumbest people i've ever had the displeasure of analyzing. That having been said i'm going to call CC's "friends" "bluff". I don't see CC going to the NL for starters, secondly I don't see him making a major life move and going across the country. I also don't see the Red Sox taking much "real" interest in sabathia, merely another distraction to keep him off the yankees. So the list i've compiled is smaller and i believe better and more accurate than the hot diahrea that spews from heymans mouth on a daily basis. These teams are ranked in order with their chances to sign sabathia.

1. New York Yankees (Wang down, moving up in the standings, signing sidney ponson, they are desperate and I believe will pay whatever it takes to get the deal done. Hanks a go-getter and will go get cc and bring him to NY)
2. Chicago White Sox (only concern is if they have what cleveland is looking for in the prospect department)
3. Oakland Athletics (Plenty of talent to get a deal done. Only 4.5 out of first, they may try to make a run if they feel they have a real shot)
4. Detroit Tigers (not sure they have the prospects to get a deal done, but you have to know they will do whatever it takes. Verlander and sabathia would give them a damn good shot at a playoff birth and contention for the World Series)
5. Tampa Bay (They have no need for CC, but certainly have enough to get the job done. with shields and kazmir, i dont see them signing him long term. But if they feel this is their year to win they might go get the job done and would make a serious regular season run at the red sox. I'm not sure that he would server much purpose in the playoffs though as I would start shields or kazmir ahead of him)

I'm sure nrmax has a disagreement lol. just messin with ya!

reason for shields/kazmir over shields/sabathia or kazmir/sabathia by the way is i like the way they work one after the other. kazmir sabathia is two lefties so i dont like that and i dont like shields/sabathia cause you cant deny kazmir!

sabathia is going to wait until the end of the season. all this crap about extension window is coming from the team, not sabathia. sabathia is in charge, not the team. if he gets traded its a rental player situation. in that case there still r plenty of teams willing to give up talent to make a run this year. and why on earth arent the cards in on it? i dont really want him but if everyone else is doing it i feel left out.

Santana/Becket FTW,

Why are the White Sox, Tigers, and A's on yourm list. The Sox and Tigers have no minor league talent unless the Tigers give up Porcello. The A's can't even fit Gaudin into their rotation, so why would they go after CC. If they're going to buy, they'll add offense. I think the list goes...

1. Cubs
2. Phillies
3. Brewers
4. Dodgers
5. Rays

Note: I am not ranking who should get him or who has the best system, just ranking who will be the most aggressive and most likely to get him.

As I said. He's not going to the NL. there is no reason for him to, especially halfway through the season. Facing all new hitters (as he's spent his whole career in NL) and the fact that he would have to bat (which is bad for most pitchers physical condition). He is a solid hitter for a pitcher yes, but especially a power pitcher (as i wouldn't exactly call him a finesse pitcher) does not usually benefit from joining the NL. Randy Johnson, Curt Schilling and Roger Clemens are 3 exceptions and freaks of nature. 3 of the greatest pitchers of recent history (perhaps ever).

Your entire list (joe) consists of NL teams besides the Rays. If I thought he'd go to the NL I'd agree with you.

As it looks, after this year I see the Tigers having a fire sale regardless of the outcome. Their core is not that young anymore and besides verlander (who is struggling this year a bit) they really have no pitching whatsoever.

Porcello is enough for the tigers to get this deal done. As far as the white sox go, as many have said before, Sabathia is running the show. Not the indians (as retards such as heyman and rosenthal would like to believe). IF (and this is a big if as i've said many times he will be in pinstripes either this season or next) the white sox are able to offer him a chance to win along with the money he is looking for the Indians will be forced to take what they can get or opt to hold him and wait for draft picks.

Phillies may go for a trade for this season but they won't sign him on any long term basis and I think he would like to get that guaranteed money.

the brewers wont even negotiate the way they should with prince fielder (year by year as he asked). Fielder obviously feels they are not going to make him a long term offer better than what other teams would offer him in a few seasons. what would make them negotiate a 20 million a year 6 year contract with sabathia? The brewers won't put up the dollars, nor the prospects to get this job done. Dont listen to the hype.

The dodgers are a JOKE. Joe Torre is proving what constant yankees game watchers such as myself have been saying for years and the reason joe girardi was signed. He can't manage a team that is not literally LOADED with superstar after superstar. Hmmmmm paul oniell, bernie williams, derek jeter, don mattingly (as a batting coach and bench coach). He always has been, always will be and remains overrated as a manager and as I said before the season started. the dodgers are going NOWHERE! Why would they shop the farm let alone cough up another huge contract thats not going to get them a world series ring.

The Rays hold a good shot, but as I said with sheilds/kazmir i dont see them shopping the farm for a 3rd ace. All you need come playoffs are 2 great pitchers and a solid pitcher to fill in in case of injury or fatigue. Sonnenstine I believe is capable of keeping them in the ballgame enough to get the job done. If they are going to shop for anything it should be Barry Bonds.

If I thought he'd go to the NL i'd say the cubs have a great shot at him. But I don't think he will and if he's going to chicago, he's going to a team thats NOT on its 100 year no world series anniversary.

meant to say sabathia spent whole career in AL. you get the point.

and dodgers fans dont get your panties in a bunch about my post as i have found dodger fans to be very fiesty (like mets fans lol). I mean no disrespect to a very solid franchise that made a bad decision for its manager. Just understand that joe torre's worst starting lineup player for his winning years was like what? chuck knoblauch? Tino Martinez? it was ridiculous.

Not only their hitting but their pitching
Andy pettite
roger clemens
david cone
orlando hernandez
forget the 5th but still thats 4 awesome pitchers during good/great years.

i do not understand the arguement about not going to the nl. what hes just going to go there and forget to pitch? sure he doesn know hitters. they also don know him. also i think cc hit a 440 foot homer when he had to bat the other day. not like thats going to happen all the time but im sure thats a confidence boost at least.

i really think cc is going to the cubs because they not only have the talent to give up, that team is so desperate to win right now they will make a move. also like everybody has been saying the brewers could definitely get him if they want as well. being a cards fan i really hope he doesnt go to either of them but if hes on the market i think those 2 teams r the most likely destination. maybe the rays but until they do one of these type of deals i just cant see it.

and dont sugarcoat anything for dodgers fans. that franchise irritates me. all that money, all that young talent, and they still suck every year(i call being average sucking). if they could make good decisions with their money they could be a great team. billingsley, broxton, kemp, ethier, martin, kershaw, those guys r great. if they could just make a good signing for once they would b good.

Santana... the only time I ever disagreed with you (recently enough to recall atleast) was when you said that David Wright was not a winning player (or that he didn't care about winning, or something like that) because of the contract he signed (which coincidentally was signed 2 years ago, and 2 900 OPS seasons ago), and when you said that Jose Reyes was having an awful year. I really think, even with the trash Baseball Guru posts, those were 2 of the stupidest, most misinformed pieces of information I have read in a comment here in quite some time.

What you said is about as accurate as me saying, Kevin Youkilis has no desire to win, and he doesn't take his at bats seriously at all, and that JD Drew has had a dreadful month of June. You would probably be upset. And rightfully so, because those would just be lazy, and completely uninformed opinions about something I clearly didn't understand. The funny part is that you claimed to have watched the Mets all the time, just seems silly that a person with direct access to Met games would spew such much unfactual information about the Mets.

so much....*

Sabathia doesn't have a NTC or anything. If the Indians trade him to the NL he has to play there. He doesn't have to sign there, but that doesn't affect trading.

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