Manny Ramirez Rumors: Tuesday

How about a Manny reunion in Cleveland? Use the money that would have been spent to resign C.C.

I think the Red Sox should oblige Colletti's hatred for young players by sending Manny and the $6M left on his contract this year to the Dodgers for Kemp.

Can't see Kemp going to Boston, but Ethier may be the guy. If you trade Kemp, the Dodgers are left with a Manny/Pierre (or Jones)/Ethier outfield. I'd hate to see what that looks like in a spacious park like Colorado.

Besides, Kemp has turned a corner. He's been on fire since the break, currently leads the team in homeruns, and has a 15-game hitting streak. I like to think he's turned the corner in management's eyes too. Torre seems to like him a lot, as evidenced by the amount of play he gives him, more than any other OF on the team this year.

I don't want to see Ethier go either though. A Manny/Kemp/Pierre OF would have its share of defensive shortcomings as well. (What kind of an arm does Manny have? Who would play right and who would play left?)

Ideally, something can be worked around Pierre and prospects.

hey tim just heard a rumor on espn radio that boston and atlant have talked about swapping manny for teixiera. then atlanta trading manny for prospects. dont know how atlanta would get more for manny then mark, but just what i heard

If Manny REALLY wanted to be a d**che (if he doesn't get dealt) he would play out the remainder of the season and come up with a mystical injury for the postseason.

I've heard the sox would pay the rest of his 08 sallary....I also heard they would only do a deal if that waste of 36 million dollars cf were to be involved...if that's the case...no thank you.

I think a deal could be done but over the last few seasons teams asking prices have gotten out of hand...and in the case of manny he brought it on himself. He's becoming a free agent and teams are bothered for a 2 month of a mental case or possibly a HoF hitter...he wants to be a free agent and teams would get those 2 nice picks in return....the redsox demands are not high...they are jus asking for what exactly your getting back at the end of the year anyway. I don't think they would mind saving their prospects for trades for other needs and just get 2 more come years end when they split. It'd save them in the long run.

If manny doesn't produce and pulls the b/s the rest of the year then he doesn't get that 100 mill deal he is hoping for as peter gammons said.

He wants a new deal somewhere that's not Boston, not an extension.

elevenhead:

your logic seems about right, but doesn't the team only get 2 draft picks if the team that picks him up is one of the top 15 in the draft? thus a team like the yankees picking him up would only end up being 1 pick? ...sorry the draft pick compensation is a little confusing

"I'd like Kemp going to the Sox hitting sixth behind Lowell (put Drew back in the 3 spot and move Ortiz to cleanup) but I'm wondering what more would they be able to get other than Kemp since the Sox would look for more in return."

How is two months of a disgruntled Manny, who has said he will be a free agent at season's end, worth more than Kemp?

Manny's only advantage is in hitting ability, but it's not by as much as you think. Manny has four more extra-base hits this year in a much better hitter's park.

Manny's speed is laughable compared to Kemp's, who is probably one of the fastest players in the league.

Manny can barely play LF. Kemp is coming together nicely as a CF with a gun for an arm.

Kemp is young and the best days are behind him. Manny is old and his best days are behind him.

I would be so mad if Colletti traded Kemp for two months of Manny. So they say they have a problem with Kemp's attitude, and then talk about trading him for the biggest attitude problem in the game?

By the way, Kemp doesn't have an attitude problem. It's a total fabrication of Bill Plaschke, who is determined to dismantle this team with all the powers he has. Kemp is a hardworker who has adjusted his approach many times already this year at the behest of the coaching staff. He hustles every play, and makes routine grounders to SS very exciting.

Manny to La for macdonald, elbert, hu and a throw in like jones.

No contracts would have to be eaten and the sox love to take other players who have been good in the past and was having a bad year.(i.e. mike lowell)

the 36 mil/2 years cf is andruw jones. the initial report was that the dodgers would only trade for manny if jones were headed back to boston

Does anybody listen to Ken Rosenthal anymore?

If the Dodgers are willing to part with Kemp it Would not surprise me if this actually got done. Yet, even my most optimistic red sox fan side wonders if they really are that stupid. They might be if the Sox take that disgusting contract back. If the Sox took Jones and the Dodgers took lugo things could get interesting. I wonder how the Sox fanbase would react to an ethier and others deal? It is not that crazy if they get a pitcher out of it. Possibly in a secondary deal for Bay or Teixeira. Still seems pretty far fetched but interesting nonetheless.

Just clearing up the contract numbers.

The amount of waste isn't 36 million since the deal is only for 2 years and this season is almost over.

Andruw Jones' '08 base pay is 9 million. His signing bonus installment for '08 is 5.1 mil. That totals 14.1 mil.

Andruw's '09 base pay is $15mil + 2.1 mil signing bonus installment which comes up to 17.1 mil for '09.

Then there's another signing bonus payout for 5mil in 2010.

So it's more accurate to say the "waste" is about 25.1 million, not 36 million.

Manny's '08 base pay is 20mil

Put me on the record that Kemp for Manny won't happen. Manny's just a rental without much want/hope of having more than just the 2 months.

Might get LaRoche if you catch the L.A. organization on a bad day...but definitely not Kemp.

Where could Ethier go where he would be an acceptable starting corner outfielder?

I love dunkin' donuts, but you're wrong when you say Ethier=Moss

Ethier is better than Moss now and comparing them as 24 year olds.

Moss' strikeout rate is still too high to play in the mlb (k/bb~2.6'ish). He'd strike out about 180 times if given a full season's ab's at pawtuckett. His limited mlb ab's show the same propensity--except for even fewer walks :(

Ethier's plate discipline was better at the same age. His power was comparable, and he got on base more.

Moss' contact problems may keep him from ever being a regular.

They are two different levels...even when comparing them at the same age. Ethier was far more polished as a 24yr old than Moss is right now.

I'll get to your what other teams could Ethier start on other than the weak hitting dodgers question in a minute...

Manny to the cubs ?

then move soriano back to 2nd

For that you could just take Bay who is cheap next year and comes without the headache. I don't think Neise Canp and Murphy will get you Bay. It will take you another young pitcher like Antonini maybe a young high upside player.

the sox would NEVER trade to the angels elevenahead, never. there the best team in the al, why make them better?

Unless u can find another 3rd team but pitts, mets, rox, phils, dbacks aren't likely at this point it seems. I still don't see how the phils are the front runner unless a third team is involved....and now the marlins??? I can't wait to see all the hanley for manny posts now(cuz it won't happen kids)

As I said before, get the picks and either make a run at bay or sign holliday and let manny walk and get 80 million somewhere if he is lucky and produces at all or he'll prob sign for lower with many clauses and incentives thrown him due to his attitude which is many what the sox shoulda done back in 05 or 06 to keep him on a short leash and to force him not to pull these b/s temper tantrums.

Cross your fingers for a bullpen arm in the next 2 days...mayb 2 and we could move one...say craig hansen who isn't papelbon jr which they have been waiting for since wha 04'?

And if worse came to worse....I'd rather see moss/coco/youk rotate that spot and play their heart out than jaguar gymnastics and ninja moves in the outfield and have to question every single @ bat on wheather manny is tryin or not.

One question thou....how can one play knowingly play like that and guys like buck weaver not get reinstated?

Hey the dbacks were gona try and use tracy in a trade for tex...why not a 3 way w/ pitts bos and the dbacks

Dbacks get manny and cash

Sox get bay, grabow, and wilson

Pirates get tracy, lowrie, moss/or another prospect of choice and/or another dbacks guy.

How about Cards trade Ryan Ludwick, Bryan Anderson, and PTBNL for Manny and Cash?
Bat Manny after Albert. Wow

has anyone heard about a deal Kotsay for Pettit

not pettite! Pettit (SP) from D'Backs

What about Manny to the Phillies for Burrell and possibly that prospect catcher they have in Philly?

Me, along with the rest of the Yankee fans would be so surprised/relieved/happy if the Red Sox actually went through with this... Too bad they're not trading him since with out him, they don't make the playoffs this year because of the huge whole in their would be lineup.

To tell you the truth, Cardinals wouldent be bad!! at all, they have the prospects to give up and the OF to fit in right now !!give up Ludwick, Bryan Anderson, and prolly someone like fernando salas. . I think the sox will want a LF for now, and tomarrow and at least one good prospect!

Jason Marquis and Mike Fontenot for Manny! Manny can replace Theriot at shortstop. Get it done Jim!

Seanprh....

I'm aware they are not interested....I'm throwing ideas of who could be used hense pitts bein in there when they are also not in talks with either team, its called brainstorming and throwin and idea out there like most in this blog do....okie dokie chief.