Mets Rumors: Manny, Ibanez, Bullpen

I'm praying the Mets don't wake up and realize that Manny would win them the division going away.

Fernando Tatis isn't going to put up another 1.317 OPS in August or September; let's not forget that his OPS in June was .518.

Imagine that lineup:

SS J.Reyes
3B Wright
CF Beltran
LF Ramirez
1B Delgado
C Castro
RF Church/Tatis
2B Easley/Castillo/A.Reyes

Yikes.

your lineup doesn't make much sense, Wright is their best rbi man they'll keep him 3rd, it's more likely that church will bat second.

1)Reyes
2)Church (Easley when church is out)
3)Wright
4)Delgado
5)Ramirez
6)Beltran
7)Easley (Tatis when church is out)
8)Castro/Schneider

No way will manny go to the mets. There is probably no one that the sox are eyeing from the mets. plus, i couldn't see manny in a met's uniform and he would be to much for the mets.

lomo 45 i agree that wright should not bat second but why would you bat Beltran sixth. I would bat him second like how he use to back in Kansas City. Well Tatis has been showing he wants in on the post season but im pretty sure he would run out of gas sooner or later. Well we got a bunch of people on the last year of there contract such as Pedro and Oliver, So if they want to make a run for the post season i think it would be wise to pick up Manny im pretty sure this guy would behave in the big apple because i think the atmosphere is much different in New York so im pretty sure the batting order would somewhat like this
1. Jose Reyes
2. Carlos Beltran
3. David Wright
4. Manny Ramirez
5. Carlos Delgado
6. Ryan Church/Tatis
7. Luis Castillo/Damion Easley
8. Brian Schneider/Ramon Casto
9. Pitcher

Switch Delgado and Ramirez to keep the right-left-right-left

According to Mark Healey, in his recent Rumor Mill for Gotham Baseball Magazine, citing an NL executive and an AL scout, if the Red Sox can acquire a replacement for Manny Ramirez, such as Jason Bay from the Pirates, who would love to acquire Red Sox C George Kottaras, then the Mets could end up with Ramirez in exchange for Fernando Martinez.

Hey Mets fans. Could you fill me in a little on Jon Niese. I hadn't heard of the guy. His numbers in the minors are solid, but not great. What is the scouting report on him that makes him untouchable. I notice that he has been a little on the young side for most of the levels he's been at.

Jon Niese is 21 years old.

He was drafted in the 7th round of the 2005 First-Year Player Draft by the Mets. Niese previously pitched for the New York Mets for the St. Lucie Mets and Hagerstown Suns in 2006. He was just promoted to Triple-A.

Coincidentally, he was born on the same day the Mets won the 1986 World Series. He was also drafted in the same number round as the number of games there were in that World Series. Some people say he was born to be a Met.

"Mets get Manny Ramirez, John Grabow
Red Sox get Jason Bay
Pirates get Niese and Kottaras"

As a Red Sox fan, let me just say Kottaras is a marginal prospect at best. Besides, I don't see the Sox giving up anything to get rid of Manny.

I think if the Mets traded for Manny they would likely keep him beyond this year. How that factors into the asking price is hard to say. Still seems rather unlikely Manny goes anywhere but if they are discussing three way deals, a Theo specialty I might add, then the possibilty is at least plausible.

Stephen, the Mets aren't going to give away both F-Mart and Niese.

I think it it is going to be a straight up deal. It will look like this.

New York Mets Recieve:
- Manny Ramirez
- Lower Relief Pitching Prospect

Boston Red Sox Recieve:
- F-Mart
- Mike Carp
- Scott Schoeneweis

Fernando Martinez will not be traded. Niese should not be untouchable because he is not a can't miss prospect. In your deal the Red Sox are trading Moss for Bay straight up.
You have the mets trading for Bay and Manny because all you give up is Moss.

As a metsfan you should be more than willing to part with both Fernando and Niese to bring in Manny.

(I'm basing this off talent as a hitter): Manny is just behind Albert Pujols as the most talented hitter in baseball. The Mets would be bringing in a player that is a more talented hitter than Beltran, more talented hitter than Wright, than Delgado, Reyes, etc..
Get my point? To top all those names with a Manny Ramirez thrown in, your team would have the NL championship easy and head to the World Series.

You give up top prospects in deals like that, and you give them up happily. Keep both Niese and Martinez and MAYBE you'll get far in the playoffs... 3 to 5 years from now

start wearing purple,

Manny won't get two 2 picks.

If the sox buyout the option, they won't offer arbitration. Manny has shown that he would be happy to keep playing in Boston. If nobody wants manny, it is because they don't want him next year at 20 million, otherwise why not take him...therefore he won't get 20 million in free agency. On the other hand, in arbitration (combined with the buy out of the option) manny will actually get in excess of 20 million, costing the mets more, and not getting any draft picks.

Manny=no arbitration=no 2 first rounders.

Baseball Prospectus Scouting report on Niese

2. Jon Niese, LHP
DOB: 10/27/86
Height/Weight: 6-3/190
Bats/Throws: L/L
Drafted: 7th round, 2005, Defiance Senior HS (OH)
2007 Stats: 4.29 ERA at High-A (134.1-151-31-110)

and this From Goldstein

Jon Niese, LHP, Double-A Binghamton (Mets)
Call it someone else's hunch. While working on this pre-season's Mets Top 11, two separate people inside the game pointed at Niese as having breakout potential. That might seem a strange choice--he's a breaking-ball specialist, and last year's numbers (a 4.29 ERA and 151 hits allowed in 134 1/3 innings) don't inspire confidence. But team officials pointed at his slow and steady progress throughout the year and the fact that his fastball is hardly sub-standard. In his Double-A debut last night, a 2-0 win over Trenton, Niese was much more than sub-standard, needing to face just 17 batters to complete five shutout innings that including a hit, a walk, a five strikeouts. Mets fans desperate for anything resembling a prospect beyond Fernando Martinez, Niese just might be your guy.

Year In Review: Suddenly the organization's top pitching prospect after the Santana trade, Niese began last year out of shape, but gained momentum as the season went on, putting up a strong second half.
The Good: Niese's fastball ranges from 88-92 mph, but was consistently sitting in the low 90s in his final outings of the year, and it features good movement. He gets very good shape and spin on his curveball, and his changeup has come leaps and bounds since signing, to the point where it could become a second above-average pitch. His build has drawn some Andy Pettitte comparisons in terms of strength, and he's an aggressive competitor.
The Bad: Niese's fastball is not a knockout pitch, and he often pitches backwards–-using his secondary pitches early in the count. He ran out of gas in 2006 and showed up for spring training last year out of shape, so there are some conditioning issues that need to be addressed.
Fun Fact: Only two Defiance High players have been drafted in the history of the school: Niese, and budding Dodgers star Chad Billingsley.
Perfect World Projection: While Niese lacks star power, he has everything it takes to profile as a good No. 3 starter.
Timetable: Some Mets officials feel that Niese is on the verge of a breakout, and he'll get a big test in 2008 with an assignment to Double-A.

coltholt; why would Manny accept arbitration? He's telling teammates that he can get 4 years at 100 million as a free agent. he probably can't, but I assume that's what his agent, Boras, is telling him because he doesn't get a dime if the Sox pick up his extension.

As far as Manny being happy in Boston, I'm not so sure of that. He's "happy" for half the season the last few years and then he wants out and does things like sit out games when he's not hurt... I don't think anyone can say whether he's happy in Boston or not, who could (or would want to) get inside Manny's head!

"Manny is just behind Albert Pujols as the most talented hitter in baseball"

Alex Rodriguez

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Um. Have you ever watched Alex Rodriguez in the clutch? Whens the last time he was MVP in the playoffs? How many rings does he have?

With men on base and the season on the line, aside from Pujols, I would take Manny Ramirez over any other in all of professional baseball in that situation.

ahh yes, another year, another manny wants out mandate and of course, another manny-to-the-mets rumour followed by the arguments pro v. con about obtaining him from met fans.

- he's not getting traded. the sox are gearing up for another ws run and they're going to trade big papi's protection?

- you know damn well omar is interested, the question is, is he f-mart going back to the sox interested? i think he's trying everything in his power to not have to give him up. i'm not sure i would do it even though i love manny.

- either way, the mets need a reliever because the peanut gallery we currently have is to going to falter...again.

Manny is a one year solution. He is a defensive black hole, and he is body is breaking down.

So you think its ok trade a long term solution to the corner out field for a defensive black hole, who can hit, but on the down side of his career, and a club house cancer.

Niese is untouchable because the Mets only have three pitchers under contract at the end of the season.

I hear that the Rockies were asking for Beltran and Fernando Martinez in exchange for Holiday.

A declining Manny is still a 300BA 30+HR 100+RBI guy so ya id trade a potential long term option for that. Chances that F-Mart ever becomes as good a hitter as Manny are slim to none. Just cause he's the Mets number 1 prospect doesnt mean he's that great in the big scheme of things, he's still not a 5 star prospect yet... so ya id trade him Manny... and his underrated defense.

Manny's body isnt breaking down, its all an act. He is simply playing mind games with the Red Sox. He is probably healthier than jacoby ellsbury

The mets sign him to 3 or 4 years, I guarantee he'll be doing sprints all around that stadium at sunrise.

Plus, when Manny acts up like this, the media makes it seem like he has NO respect for the game of baseball, but thats not entirely true, because MLB is an individual sport more than any other sport, and Manny trains harder than any other Red Sox each and every day

Because the Red Sox already gave him 8 years, and $168 million and now he simply just wants out of Boston.

Chris,
I can't tell you how much I want the Mets to get Orlando Hudson. He will be a free agent though, so I think they can get away with not giving up any prospects.

The problem is if the Mets are willing to eat Luis Castillos horrible contract. They should and O-dog should be a Met, but I have a feeling that that will not happen.

oh, and all of you Mannites can seriously say that Manny is an underarted fielder?

The Monster hides how bad he really is. His zone ratings stink. If the Mets sign him to a three to four year deal, we might be dealing with Alou 2.0. When healthy he can mash, but he is always hurt. I have a feeling that without the rest of the DH spot he will break down quickly.

Oh and didn't he have a few decent sized stints on the DL recently.

Don't get me wrong, Manny would be great in the Mets lineup, but giving up a young bat like Martinez for a guy who is on the decline is not worth it.

I believe Metsfan wants to know why they won't extend him to another three to four years so all of the MLB can see how much range and rustle Manny has on the base paths and in the outfield.