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I did a White Sox Offseason Outlook earlier this month, rattling off available speedy players and also suggesting a Bobby Jenks trade be explored. Today, Chicago Tribune beat writer Mark Gonzales offers his take on the Sox.
Gonzales sees Juan Uribe and Toby Hall as two players the White Sox hope to re-sign, with Hall at a lower salary than his $2.25MM option. Orlando Cabrera, Ken Griffey Jr., and Joe Crede will be gone. Cabrera is good for two draft picks if the Sox offer arbitration and he signs elsewhere.
Gonzales wonders if a Paul Konerko for Chone Figgins trade could take shape, but only if the White Sox add players. Konerko is owed $24MM for 2009-10, with full no-trade rights. Figgins should earn $5MM+ in '09 before he hits free agency for the first time. It may be hard to get the Angels interested - Figgins fits their club, and they'll try to re-sign Mark Teixeira. Kendry Morales may be the backup plan at first.
Gonzales sees the Rockies as another potential trade partner for Sox GM Ken Williams, naming Garrett Atkins and Willy Taveras as potential matches. Taveras may be had for a song, but Atkins should require young pitching.
A few free agents to consider: Orlando Hudson, Dennys Reyes, and Alex Cora.
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I had mentioned that Atkins/Taveras possibility to a friend a few weeks back.
I would think something involving Lance Broadway. Clayton Richard and Aaron Poreda seem to be the two young pitchers they want to continue to develop.
Posted by: Jeff F | October 28, 2008 at 10:07 AM
I would like to see Kenny sign Jenks rather than trade him. A deal that buys out his arbitration years and a year or two of free agency. With no clear guy to step in I sure don't want to revisit the Koch/Gordon/Shingo debacles. There also seems to be a number of available closers so Kenny may not be able to get maximum value for Jenks.
Posted by: MPM | October 28, 2008 at 10:15 AM
I've only watched a few Sox games this year. How's Konerko holding up defesively at 1st?
Posted by: YanksFanSince78 | October 28, 2008 at 10:27 AM
He has zero range but is very good at picking throws out of the dirt. I think a Dye/Figgins deal is more realistic. Figgins can play third and the outfield would be Swisher in left Anderson in center and Quentin in right.
Posted by: MPM | October 28, 2008 at 10:55 AM
Konerko plays fine defense, but his hitting only came around until the end of this year. As much as i hate to see Konerko go i think its time for him to depart. The variable here is Jerry Reinsdork LOVES Paul Konerko.
And Swisher seemed to be playing alot better at 1B when Konerko was hurt and out.
Also if the White Sox can't trade for a 3B i don't know alot about Casey Blake but i've heard he's a good clubhouse guy.
Who will play CF and 2b?
Posted by: ChiCity Sox | October 28, 2008 at 10:56 AM
"Gonzales wonders if a Paul Konerko for Chone Figgins trade could take shape, but only if the White Sox add players."
I don't know how this kind of deal would take shape. If the Angels were willing, I would expect the Cubs to come in with a similar Derrek Lee based package, which would likely hold more value than any Konerko package. I would guess that it would look something like Konerko, Broadway and Getz, but honestly I see no way in which the Angels take an offer like that.
"I think a Dye/Figgins deal is more realistic. Figgins can play third and the outfield would be Swisher in left Anderson in center and Quentin in right."
Realistically I don't think the Angels would add Jermaine Dye. They already have Guerrero in right, Hunter in center and Gary Matthews locked up, as well as Reggie Willits and the possible resigning of Garret Anderson. They could split DH time between Guerrero, Anderson and Dye, but I don't think either Guerrero or Dye would want to have to have their time in RF cut severely.
If the Angels would be willing to do a Dye-Figgins trade, I probably do that deal as well. I think the Sox should look to move Konerko before anything happens with Dye though.
One possibility I like a lot:
Paul Konerko to the Giants for Randy Winn
Konerko would give the Giants a veteran power bat, and the White Sox get a prototypical leadoff hitter who can play center. If Konerko would ever waive his NTC to go to San Francisco, I would absolutely love that deal for Chicago.
Posted by: scribbletone | October 28, 2008 at 11:10 AM
I'd rather take Konerko for Matt Cain, but that's just me.
Posted by: ChiCity Sox | October 28, 2008 at 11:15 AM
scribbletone is exactly right. If the Angels are looking for a Konerko type player they would be much more included to reach out to Lee than Konerko. Dollars are close and Lee is just a better player at this time.
I still don't like the deal from the Angels perspective as Lee/Konerko basically carry zero value when you consider their contracts. Both players should be viewed more as salary relief than hot trading chips. Meanwhile, Figgins carries a ton of value. I don't mind taking on more payroll but I would expect to receive back a big impact bat.
Posted by: bjsguess | October 28, 2008 at 11:30 AM
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man I wish typekey had an edit feature.
Posted by: bjsguess | October 28, 2008 at 11:31 AM
If the Yanks couldn't get Tex and if they didn't feel Juan Miranda was ready, I wonder what it would take to get Konerko and if he would be viable to start for the next 2 years?
Posted by: YanksFanSince78 | October 28, 2008 at 11:46 AM
"I'd rather take Konerko for Matt Cain, but that's just me."
Sabean should be fired on the spot if that happens. Although he already has committed a few fire-worthy offenses IMHO.
Konerko for Winn would be interesting though.
Posted by: melonis rex | October 28, 2008 at 12:00 PM
Maybe Konerko to the Yankees could be something. What about Konerko for Johnny Damon?
The White Sox need a leadoff hitter and don't seem to prioritize CF defense (ie Swisher, Griffey) and the Yankees need a 1B with some pop.
Posted by: scribbletone | October 28, 2008 at 12:09 PM
I would consider that move. It would require resigning Abreu though. Keep him Rf, put Gardner in CF as leadoff and Nady in LF. Matsui would DH. Something to consider even though it goes against my whole idea of getting younger. If we can't get Tex I would be against trading any of our top prospects for a 1B.
Posted by: YanksFanSince78 | October 28, 2008 at 12:20 PM
1. Lance Broadway sucks. If he is traded he wouldn't be the center of a trade.
2. Konerko for Cain will never happen. Not when they could get Prince Fielder who is younger and cheaper.
3. Konerko for Figgins could happen but there would have to be a more interesting piece thrown in by the Whitesox. Angels could always move Brandon Wood to third, or the Sox add Fields.
4. Konerko to NYY would never happen because Konerko would veto.
5. Konerko for Winn would be interesting and would free up $4mil for the Sox. I wonder if SF would bite though since they have a semi-youth movement going on.
Posted by: striker | October 28, 2008 at 01:20 PM
Why would Konerko veto a trade to NY?
Posted by: YanksFanSince78 | October 28, 2008 at 01:32 PM
If Konerko would allow a trade to SF, I still think adding Randy Winn would be great for Chicago. He's a good hitter who can bat leadoff, steal some bases and play a solid center field. I don't really know who else the Sox cooyld possibly get for Konerko, except maybe Figgins.
Posted by: scribbletone | October 28, 2008 at 03:18 PM
I don't disagree with you but this is what I thought I knew regarding his contract when I was thinking about him a few months ago.
mlb4u dot com
Contract:
signed 5-year deal worth 60M thru 2010 season on 11/3/0/05- + he receives a 12M salary each year in 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009 and 2010- + he receives a limited NO-TRADE clause that allows him to specify six teams to which he cannot be traded to without his written consent- + 2005 salary: 8.75 (+15K for All-Star), 2004: 8M, 2003: 6.25M
Agent: Craig Landis
So even though his contract only allows him a limited no trade would the 10/5 rule apply and superceed it?
Posted by: YanksFanSince78 | October 28, 2008 at 03:39 PM
Konerko has a full NTC because of his 10/5 rights. Regardless of your contract you get the no trade rights if you break the 10/5 barrier.
Posted by: scribbletone | October 28, 2008 at 03:55 PM
And by the way, yanksfansince78, for contract information you might as well use Cots Baseball Contracts, all of the information is correct and up to date.
Posted by: scribbletone | October 28, 2008 at 04:07 PM
melonis Rex
I understand Konerko for Cain is highly unlikely, but Chicago does need a 5th starter assuming Jose Contreras is out for good.
As good as we were this year we have many question marks this year.
Posted by: ChiCity Sox | October 28, 2008 at 04:45 PM
Thanks scribble.
Posted by: YanksFanSince78 | October 28, 2008 at 07:26 PM
How about:
Jenks
Alexei Ramirez
Buehrle
for
Reyes
This trade would help solve the Mets closer problems and give them a second baseman and a back end of the rotation guy. Then they can let go of perez and use their cash to sign furcal at SS. For the White Sox this gives them needed speed and they can sign Orlando Hudson to play second and maybe Fuentes to be the closer
Posted by: dwright3b05 | October 28, 2008 at 07:44 PM
dwright
with all due respect
That is one of the dumbest things i've ever read before. Alexei Ramirez is HUGE in Chicago. And KW never, ever relies on signing Free Agents for solving problems. We need Speed in CF and at the corners. MAYBE if you threw in Johan Santana or David Wright then we would do it. And Ramirez's numbers are very similar to Reyes'.
Posted by: ChiCity Sox | October 28, 2008 at 08:08 PM
"I'd rather take Konerko for Matt Cain, but that's just me."
And that would get shot down in a second. Now, if that deal included John Danks, you would be talking.
"How about:
Jenks
Alexei Ramirez
Buehrle
for
Reyes"
You made the same play in another thread, and the answer is the same. As good as Reyes is, he isn't worth that haul.
"And Ramirez's numbers are very similar to Reyes'."
Well, no. Not even close.
Posted by: AA | October 29, 2008 at 12:59 AM
Jenks is one of the better pitchers in the league. How stupid do you think the White Sox could be?
And Ramirez hit .290
21 Hrs, 77 RBIs as a rookie.
While Reyes hit .297 16 Hrs, 66 RBIs.
You must be dreaming to think we would do that trade. wow.
Posted by: ChiCity Sox | October 29, 2008 at 12:44 PM
Nevermind ignore that post. I feel like an idiot now. i was thinking u wanted John Danks. Sounds similiar but different guy. My Bad.
Posted by: ChiCity Sox | October 29, 2008 at 12:45 PM
how about thome for taveras?
or vazquez and quentin for reyes and johan santana?
Posted by: GoSoxGo2009 | November 05, 2008 at 03:55 PM
I understand that Figgins is EXACTLY the player the Sox are looking for, but trades have to work both ways. Why would the Angels trade Figgins for Konerko when they could re-sign Texiera, (a better hitter for similar money), and KEEP Figgins, who is the heart of their team. I think this deal gets brought up because Figgins is the obvious perfect fix for the Sox, but that doesn't mean it makes any sense for the Angels. This is a one-way, day-dreaming deal.
Posted by: gineric12 | November 06, 2008 at 08:59 PM