Rosenthal's Latest: Dye, Burrell, Young

I'm not sure if I get moving Young at this point, unless they can get a lot of value for him and believe that Michael Cuddyer is going to bounce back some.

As for Jermaine Dye, I still think he's an awesome fit for Cincinnati as well, although the Mets and Rays make a lot of sense as well.

I would assume that any Dye to Tampa deal would be based around Edwin Jackson, with another guy like Hellickson or maybe Desmond Jennings going to Chicago as well.

I would expect the White Sox to go after Jon Niese in a Mets deal, although I would expect Fernando Martinez to be a very appealing player to them.

The Phillies don't really make as much sense to me, as the deal would assuredly have to include one of Marson, Taylor and Carrasco, and additional good prospects as well.

Mets should be all over Delmon Young if he's available. Mets already gave the Twins a ton of prospects what's a couple more?

Yeah I'd also like to throw out there that Dye has been hitting better in Chicago than he did anywhere else in his career, and although his defense is declining he's still very much a force at the plate.

Dye will be in a White Sox uniform opening day unless the Sox get an offer than blows them away.

The White Sox don't need a SS.

tdogg, The Sox need either a 2nd baseman or a SS. Alexei can play the other of the 2 positions. I'd rather they get a top SS and keep Alexei at 2nd, but it doesn't matter either way, as long as the one they get can lead off.

White Sox and Phillies have been good trade partners the past few years, I could see Dye coming to Philly...

But not giving up the farm for him... Happ and Kendrick and a minor league player, not Donald, Marson or Carasco though.

If the Sox trade Vazquez, they will need another starter, and Happ / Kendrick are much better now than Gavin Floyd was at the time we traded him to the Sox...

Maybe they may want Jenkins or Stairs too? Both still good hitters.

Okay.. Happ, Kendrick and Jenkins for Dye, and we'll eat Jenkins salary (most)

Donald can play 2B as well if they are going to move Ramirez

Fyre, that trade proposal is completely terrible, and I'm a Phils fan. Jenkins and Kendrick both have no trade value, Jenkins probably negative value with his salary. The White Sox don't have to trade Dye

Dye isn't as good as he once was?

He had his 3rd best OPS+ ever and had a better OPS+ than his career average. He'll provide a ton of power to any team (.500-.550 slugging %)

ya kenny williams might make some questionable deals sometimes but he wouldnt trade dye for all that garbage. He could get better than that elsewhere. With Dye I feel like its gonna be 2 or 3 quality players or they will just keep him.

I've read several times that Kenny Williams covets Chone Figgins so how about Figgins for Dye?

"I think something like cedeno and a prospect or even just cedeno might get delmon in cubbie blue."

Maybe just maybe if that prospect is Josh Vitters and even then why would the Twins want to do that. The Twins were almost a playoff team, why trade a promising young major leaguer for a promising young minor leaguer?

Wood was drafted as a SS and recently switched to 3rd Because of the Angels depth at SS. He can play both positions well defensively and while he hasnt shown much offense in the majors he still has a big upside cuz his AAA numbers have been outstanding. The Twins need a 3rd which is why people keep mentioning the Twins in Lowell rumors. By the Angels trading Wood to MINN for Young they help their team in 2 ways. First, they get a young talented LF, and the Angels would block the Sox from unloading Lowell and freeing up a spot for Tex.

Rawbert: even if the Angels made that deal (which i think would be a good deal for both teams) the Sox would still have plenty of teams looking for 3B help. Also Lowell would only be moved AFTER Tex was signed not before so there would be no benefit of 'taking them out of the running'.

I know there are other teams looking for a 3rd but the Twins are the team consistently being mentioned in the Lowell rumors, so by filling their hole at 3rd the Sox would have to look for a new trade partner. I know the free agent market for 3rd is weak but teams that need a 3rd will probably look at Crede and Blake before considering trading for Lowell. I've also read Beltre is available and IMO he has more upside than Lowell.

" remember, its SALARY dump is the only reason the Sox want to get rid of Dye...."

no, its not salary dump. dye makes below market for his production. its called Sell High on a 35 year old OF. KW does not have to make a deal with Dye.

"If delmon is so available what about the idea of the cubs trading for him to play RF? Granted he isn't the lefty bat Lou wants but young would be a low risk high reward option. I think youngs anger antics are behind him and he could benefit from a switch to the NL."

If you mean to say that the NL has weaker pitching, you would be wrong. What he could benefit from is seeing more fastballs in the NL and using his speed more. The defensive ability is there and he is a natural RF, so it would make sense to have him there. Still, the Cubs really need a left-handed bat, so I don't see him as a huge target.

Now the Angels on the other hand could make sense for Young. I still don't like him in LF, but he could play RF on days where Vlad needs a DH spell and his speed would be welcome on that team. On the other hand, if the Angels lose Tex, they too will have the same problem the Cubs have with a lack of left-handed power, unless Kendry Morales really turns into what he projects to be.

"remember, its SALARY dump is the only reason the Sox want to get rid of Dye...."

No its not. They are putting him out there to see what they can get. If there is nothing out there, they will be more than happy to bring him back, especially considering he is a relative bargain for what he is making. With Thome gone next year, he would be the DH in '10. Win win for the Sox if he stays or goes, but it is NOT a salary dump.

"well i'm going to assume that the price for young is less than garza (before his amazing perfermonce this last year) Which makes the price for young not very high and if the twins are trying to get rid of him Cedeno and vitters almost seems too much. Cedeno will at worst be an avg big leaguer. Even if the cubs had to put in marshal with cedeno it would still be good deal. The price for young is gonna depend on just how bad the twins are looking to get rid of him."

Cedeno at best will be an average big leaguer not at worst. Do you see anyone out there who still thinks he can be a legit star? Why would the Twins trade away Young who is already league average and has a pretty good chance of becoming above average if not a star? Yes Cedeno can play either MI posistion and is a pretty good fielder but he is really no more than an 8th or 9th hitter. Delmon Young is a 4 or 5 tool type of player, he already puts up better offensive numbers then Cedeno and he's two years younger snd has been in the big leagues for two less seasons. There is no baseball metric where one would say Cedeno = Young. And Cedeno and Marshall are not a real offer either.

"well i'm going to assume that the price for young is less than garza (before his amazing perfermonce this last year) Which makes the price for young not very high and if the twins are trying to get rid of him Cedeno and vitters almost seems too much. Cedeno will at worst be an avg big leaguer. Even if the cubs had to put in marshal with cedeno it would still be good deal. The price for young is gonna depend on just how bad the twins are looking to get rid of him."

Garza was an extremely sought after pitcher. His upside was through the roof even before the delmon trade. So Delmon is worth a lot still.

" Figgins for Dye".....uh, no.

I would much rather have Figgy that Dye. Nice try.

As for Utley's surgery.. it went well, and the timetable is set 4-6 months. If its a full 6 months, he doesn't return til the end of May... TOO long for Bruntlett to play for him.. Unless Donald impresses in spring, I say we take a hard look to sign Durham or Jeff Kent. Even with Utley back, they make good bench players and would be valuable to the team all year. Punto is an option as well...

FyreKnight,

no way. Donald/Bruntlett will be more than sufficent until Utley's back. And Utley today (the day after surgery) is probably healthier and ready to play than Kent will be. The man is practically an invalid not to mention an clubhouse cancer.

Wow, I'm reading that Delmon Young is a 4-5 tool guy with great upside. If half the tools you need are defensive, then he's a 1 or 2 tool player. He is a huge defensive liability. Perhaps the stiffest, least agile outfielder I have ever seen in recent memory. And he will only get bigger (family genetics) and get worse defensively as he ages. He has already gained weight over the past year. His arm strength is strong but erratic and he does not make good decisions where/when to throw. Someone above mentioned him as a possibility for centerfield - Oh my - No!!!!

He's a good base hitter, but hits a lot inside/out...lots of dribblers up the middle on the Metrodome's carpet. That goes away next year. Coaching staff has tried to get him to drive the ball more. He's reluctant and a little stubborn. His temper seems to be in check, but there are still some issues in the cranium.

Delmon's ideal positon is DH. But how do you DH a guy that only its 10-12 HR's? If that number climbs to 20-30 then he could be an impact player as a DH in this league. But if you want him as a corner outfielder, the offensive potential and defenisve liabilities cancel each other out.

He's a long-term project and the Twins have a core of players that will peak in the next 2-3 years. Might be too long to wait. With the extra outfielder, they should address the gaping holes at SS, 3B and the bullpen. If they could trade Delmon to fill any of those gaps, it should be done today. That's how the small market team wins every once in awhile...peak with the right core of complimentary players at the right time. Delmon does not fit this puzzle in Minnesota.

So what if trading him now admits the mistake of giving him to the Rays for Garza. If you can address what this team needs by trading him for the right player needed to win now it could be viewed as a savvy move.

Or, Milwaukee is set at the corner OF spots, so why not Carlos Gomez for JJ Hardy??