Cards Willing To Make Strong Offer For Halladay

Larry Walker, Scott Rolen, Mark McGwire, Jim Edmonds, and I'm sure I'm missing one or two.

You'd have to think the Jays would demand Wallace...

I'm sorry, but I can't see where the Cards can put together a package without Rasmus.

The Cards have Wallace, but they don't have other high enough prospects to put a deal together.

Wallace + Jones + Kozma doesn't even come close to netting Halladay. Jones and Kozma are B level guys, but not at nearly the level that the Jays want, if they're only getting one higher level prospect in Wallace.

"Larry Walker, Scott Rolen, Mark McGwire, Jim Edmonds, and I'm sure I'm missing one or two."

Mark Mulder, maybe.

That would be a very interesting staff for St. Louis. If you could bring Halladay into the mix with Carpenter and Wainwright, and even Piniero... you have yourself the makings of as dominant staff as anyone in baseball, 1 through 4. I'd sign up for that an instant if I was the Cards.

Acquiring Halladay will not win them the pennant or even the central. They need some bats more than they need a SP.

Halladay knows this and will not agree to be traded to the Cards.

i think he would agree to it, he is very good friends with carpenter and he would know with that rotation that they most likely would win the central.

He's going to the Phillies - just face it.

HOWEVER, i think we should go for a CHEAPER option-a SOLID number 4 or 5 starter who is better than Wellemeyer and Thompson, and save that money/trade chips for a good bat.

I agree. I also really want to see what wallace can do in the bigs before we decide to move him.

The Cards offense is trash besides Pujols and Ludwick (who shows up 3 times a week). This doesn't make any sense for them, they need bats!

"Best batter? Check. Best pitcher? Check."
I thought the same exact thing, however I am not a Cubs fan.

Anything to keep him away from the Dodgers

It seems like the Cardinals are the most talkative publicly about Halladay even though there are a good four other teams who have a better shot at him. I think their front office should just shut up. Remember when one cards source said to give the jays a list of the entire cardinal system and circle five names?

like Rasmus a lot, but there's no way this deal will happen without him. The Jays also want a tier A SS --- do the Cards have one to offer?

no, they have kozma who the jays really liked in the draft, but he prob wont get it done.

I know a deal like this seems impossible without rasmus but I think Rasmus has shown too much value up in st. louis for us to include him.

I hope your right. Hes going to be very important to this team for years to come.

There is no way they pull this off without sending Wallace or Rasmus and that would be stupid for the long term. They are not a WS contender this year. Why send off all the top tier prospects for 1 1/2 years of Halladay. They won't be able to resign Pujols and Halladay, so it would just be a rental of Halladay.

Philsfans can't type "He's going to Phillie, not there" fast enough!!

rock_N_well- I agree let's go after a Paul Byrd so we don't have to give up any prospects. Or we could just go for broke and hope the offense can get it together.

either way it's hard to envision the cardinals giving up alot for this year when we only have been really trying to develop prospects the last three or four years.

For anyone to say that Hallady is overated, obviously doesn't know anything about baseball or holds a bias against him. The guy dominates AL hitting every year, so just think what he could do in the NL. Who cares if he got hit in the second inning last night. Albert Pujols was 0-3 so does that make him overated too??? If you base a guys ability off of one game you have no knowledge of the game at all. Hallady, Carpenter, and Wainwright....WOW!! The Cardinals would take the NL Central easily, baring injuries. I would love to get him, but I doubt it happens.

It depends on how bad the Jays really want to move Halladay. They're not going to admit it, of course, but JP Ricciardi may be under more pressure than we think to move salary. If not, then I would absolutely expect them to demand both Rasmus AND Wallace in return, which I'm sure the Cards won't do. But if they are more anxious to move him than they're letting on, they'll take Wallace as part of a package w/o Rasmus. But Wallace HAS to be part of any deal, I would think. And I would do it if I were St. Louis.

If they cardinals are laying all of their hopes on a three team deal I doubt they will get him. Not only would the Jays not do it but the Braves wouldn't do it either.

I don't think the Cardinals are necessarily hoping for a 3 team trade. I think if they play their cards right (no pun intended), they may be able to work something out.

Wellemeyer can't be traded, he needs to be cut. Keep Motte. Tyler Greene has some potential to be an everyday player. He has the ability to hit but he only has 100 major league AB's...

two additional big Cardinal (yes, Jocketty) trades not yet mentioned:

1) manny aybar, rick croushore, jose jimenez, and brent butler for darryl kile, dave veres, and luther hackman, winter '99 - prospects that didn't pan out very well for a top-of-the-rotation starter and key late-inning reliever for two playoff teams.

2) j.d. drew for jason marquis, ray king, and adam wainwright, winter '03 - drew had a monstrous '04, but marquis and king were key contributors on a 105-win team that year as well, not to mention wainwright's emergence as a reliever then solid starting pitcher.

Cardinals may be able to pull it off.

Wallace + Kosma + Jones + Motte might get it done.

The Jays are looking to unload Halladay and will likely take the best offer.

St. Louis has to be high on Halladay's want-to list seeing as its a low-key bball environment with winning potential. (Unlike east coast where fans boo a player to dead over an off game)

Cardinals must ask,, if they surrender Wallace,, who plays third next year. Odd are that Glaus is way over-priced.

Look get over it halliday will end up staying a bluejay lots of hype he aint going nowhere...
but today in the burgh were hearing freddie sanchez to giants for sanchez and a prospect they sid deal will be done by tonight we shall see

Here is the bottom line: WE NEED OUR PROSPECTS. Several of them are key to our team's success in the coming years. Wallace for sure. we don't have a 3rd baseman once Glaus leaves. Even if Wallace isn't the best defensive 3rd baseman, he's better than what we'd have without him. Halladay would be great, but we just can't get it done without giving up ALL our talent. Here are the downsides to doing this deal...FACTS:

1. We lose all our top prospects (and possibly a major league bat)
2. We don't have anyone left to get a bat, which we need more than anything
3. we will not have enough money to lock up Pujols and Halladay. Pujols is a MUST RESIGN!
4. No guarantee to win world series.

those 4 facts right there are pretty big factors to me. i say DON'T DO IT!!!!! As a Cards fan, i'd be very disappointed.

Sign a cheap starter (Byrd, Sheets), trade for a good bat.

1 1/2 years of Halladay aren't worth Wallace and Rasmus; thats a no brainer. Just Wallace and prospects I think is reasonable from a Cardinal's standpoint

Just like Toronto doesn't have to trade Halladay, the Cardinals don't have to trade for him to make the playoffs.

From a very very close sort i heard the pirates are trading the bluejays jack wilson and zach duke for rios ..and the deal could be done by end of tonight

Posted by: pirates in 2011 | July 15, 2009 at 04:15 PM

Not happening. I promise you.

"From a very very close sort i heard the pirates are trading the bluejays jack wilson and zach duke for rios ..and the deal could be done by end of tonight

Posted by: pirates in 2011 | July 15, 2009 at 04:15 PM

Not happening. I promise you."

Yeah know, it wouldn't be the worst deal for Pittsburgh.

Duke can't be much better than a 4/5 starter with a sub-5.00 K/9, and Wilson is overpaid and not s part of the future.

Rios would give them a current power hitter that plays great defense in right field, and he's not really that overpaid.

I'm just not sure where he would end up fitting in with McCutchen, Milledge, Tabata, Moss, Hernandez and Grossman.

Tony -- You're full of it. Look at Carpenter's ERA. Now that Ludwick is over the injury and has the feel of his swing, he looks like Ludwick of last year.

Molina hit 300 last year and will likely do so again this year. Schumaker is batting close to 300.

Your analysis of Cardinal team is overly negative.

When Carpenter is healthy, he's an ace and one of the best starters in the game. If he's healthy the rest of the season, then the Cardinals are probably th NL Central favorite regardless of whether they land Halladay, unless the Cubs or Brewers make a big move.

if the cardinals get halladay they dont need much offense to win games, the NL central is a pretty weak division and a Rotation like that would win the central for sure... even with a lack of offense

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I'm not saying it won't happen because the Pirates are getting fleeced or anything. There's just no way I see the Blue Jays interested in either Jack or Duke, and our FO would never pony up the cash for Rios. The deal makes no sense."

Yeah that makes more sense.

I that people forget that Rios is close to being a .370 OBP, 40-50 2B, 20-30 HR, 25-30 SB hitter that plays a really good right field.

Rios could be a great addition for some teams. I would love to see the White Sox get him to play center this year. Then next year he can take over in right field with Dye leaving or moving to DH.

"Rios could be a great addition for some teams. I would love to see the White Sox get him to play center this year. Then next year he can take over in right field with Dye leaving or moving to DH."

Why would you move Rios out of Center next season? Leave him there, he seems a very strong fielder in center and it would easily be the best way to get full value for the money cost.

As amazing as it would be to get Halladay, I think that it would be best for the Cards to sign someone like Byrd or Sheets or go after a Doug Davis/Jon Garland/Jarrod Washburn starter. We should extend Albert and then go hard after Carl Crawford in the offseason. Crawford hits around .300, has 20 HR and 85 RBI potential, and he provides speed that the Cards never have. Someone that would finally be a SB threat. Have him hit in front of Albert to get on a lot and Ludwick hitting behind Albert and that is a dangerous 2-4 not to mention the guys behind that Molina, Rasmus, etc. I know that Crawford is LH and we are looking for a RH bat, but we would be replacing Ankiel with Crawford, LH for LH. This most likely won't happen. But Crawford in a Cards uniform would be incredibly awesome.

"If Rios can be even close to as good in center as he's recently been in right, then I agree that you keep him in center."

Yeah, I have heard respected media on a couple occasions state the he is the best CF on the team (meaning the Jay's). Was kind of shocked when you mentioned moving him over. And really, his hitting coming from a plus fielding center fielder is kind of worth 12.5 - or at least it is within reason.

That said, they should probably try to get the Sox to jump at Wells if they promised to pay a couple million (read as a couple, couple millions. lol) each year for the next 20 years (or however long that horrendous thing lasts). The Sox might be the team to take it, and it might be an OK fit.

The Cards recalled P.J. Waltars from AAA Memphis. He's not doing so hot, so I have to wonder why. Maybe for a possible deal that could be in the works? Anybody heard anything?

I feel that after Doc saw the crowd reaction to Albert at the AS game, he might be leaning a bit more towards the STL.

Wallace, Ankiel, Jones, Boggs, Kozma gets the deal done. 2 IF 2 OF and a pitcher for an ace. Salary reduction, and a team building towards the future...doesn't sound to bad.

As far as resigning AP and Doc; Albert said he would take less money if STL made the effort to be a winner. I think this deal works for everyone. Besides, Glaus has a sizable contract that will soon be someone elses problem.