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Odds & Ends: Grabow, Yankees, Orioles

One more roundup of links for the night...

  • George. A. King III of The New York Post mentions that the Pirates had two scouts watch the Yankees earlier this week, possibly in advance of a deal involving lefty reliever John Grabow.
  • He mentions that the Dodgers and Rockies had scouts on hand as well. The Yanks have already expressed interest in Huston Street earlier this season.
  • King also says that the Yanks refuse to talk about prospects Austin Jackson and Austin Romine in trade talks according to other organizations.
  • Peter Schmuck of The Baltimore Sun recaps the first half of the Orioles' season and says they're building towards something, he's just not quite sure what. He does however praise the performance of young players like Nolan Reimold.
  • On the day of his tragic and untimely death, let's not forget that Steve McNair was quite the baseball player as well, getting selected by the Mariners in the 35th round of the 1991 Draft. (hat tip: Jesse Spector of The NY Daily News)


Comments

Wow. R.I.P. Steve.

You may think I am a red sox fan, and you are right. You may think I hate the yankees, and you right.......

BUT

will someone look into some sort of RICO or coersion status between the Pirates and the Yankees. It has seriously been a joke for 2 years now, trading Marte and Nady for a bag of balls and a AA prospect whom was trouble before he came. Trading a bench player (yet a major league baseball player) for two nothings. If John Grabow goes to them for say a 29th round draft pick from the 2003 draft, I say there has to be something done.

The Red Sox traded Casey Fossum for Curt Schilling... give me a break.

theJonathon

Wow. Just wow.


actually if you are stupid enough to think it was straight up than it is not my fault.

It was for Jorge De La Rosa, Brandon Lyon, Casey Fossum and PTBNL.

Yes that Brandon Lyon who was a leader in saves for them last year.

Fossum WAS a major league starter. De La Rosa is a major league starter, and they were trying to cut payroll by 20 million.

Ok, the Yankees after Grabow makes zero sense. Lets see, the Yankees have a lefty reliever named Phil Coke who has been incredible. and they still have Marte recovering. They have him for 3 years now, they aint going to toss him away.

Most imporatntley, R.I.P Steve McNair.

It aint the Yankees fault the Pirates give away their talent.

"It aint the Yankees fault the Pirates give away their talent."

It's not the Pirates fault that the Yankees try to buy championships, and still fail to win any. Hell, A-Rod makes as much as the whole Marlins team is doing, and they both are second, and a game out in there respected division. At least Pirates have an excuse to lose, what's the Yankees excuse for not winning championships? Don't use Wang, Matsui, or Nady as an excuse.

calm down man. lol. Hey I dont like what the Yankees do either. I know they are trying to buy a championship but thats there choice. Its working so far this year. They would be in first place if they could beat the Red Sox. U cant tell me the trades the Pirates make are just awful. what they got for Bay was a joke. They try loading their farm system with poor players instead of getting good ones. I like the Marlins and in fact picked the Braves to win the division. But in all respect the Braves have been spending if you ask me. Hudson, vasquez, Kawakami, Lowe, McLouth, etc. The Yankees just overpay their vets, unlike the Braves who kick them out. The Yakees have their share of young guys. Just check out their pen, and their C,SS,2B,CF.

The Marlins are the smartest orgainzation out there. They produce talented players, year after year. and when the time comes to trade them they get really good prospects in return.

Hilarious, Jonathan. Thanks for the laugh.

Tabata was a HUGE prospect for every year but last year. Some of the greatest have had head problems.

Jeff Karstens is in the Pirates rotation right now.

Hinske was salary relief by the Pirates and they made the right move trading him, going with prospects who have at least a shot at contributing in the future, unlike Hinske.

Coersion. Lmao.

So, you are calling Charlie Morton a joke? He threw 6 innings of one hit ball in yesterdays game. Gorkys Hernandez is a top 100 prospect. If Hanrahan could get his head straight, could be dominate, same with Millidge.

C = Posada = OLD
SS = Jeter = OLD

Yet still performing. So why dump them?

red sox fans are such hypocrites. you all seem to think manny and ortiz and beckett and drew, varitek, dice-k, schilling, lowell, bay, etc all came through the system.

and it takes real blindness to whine about the yankees trades with pittsburgh when you got jason bay from them in a 3 way deal where they got nothing.

get over yourselves and your feelings of inferiority. you would think after winning two titles after 86 years, you wouldnt still feel so inferior to the yankees. pretty sad.

Milledge is a huge IF. Theres alot of guys who throw hard but cant pitch. ex. Veras, Bruney. Trust me I know. morton has been good. But its just 3 starts, didnt Karstens almost throw a perfect game last year? Gorkys has speed and defense but as far as I know he has no bat. They gave those guys up for an all star centerfielder. Thats nothing. Karstens and Odhlenorf are starters, for the Pirates only.

Jeter might be old but he has 3 more rings than ur beloved Chipper Jones.

I'm gonna start this off by saying rip Steve McNair. Hell of a guy.

But bravesred, im pretty sure yanksfan1 was referring to Ramiro Pena, and Jose Molina or Fransisco Cervelli.

So, you are calling Charlie Morton a joke? He threw 6 innings of one hit ball in yesterdays game. Gorkys Hernandez is a top 100 prospect. If Hanrahan could get his head straight, could be dominate, same with Millidge.

C = Posada = OLD
SS = Jeter = OLD
Bravesred
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So? Wilson Alvarez threw a no hitter and he sucks so dont give one start a reason why a pitchers great because its called Earned Run Average for a reason you could pitch poorly all season and have one great shutout and your ERA still sucks, which doesnt make for a great pitcher and soon you wont be able to wait til someone takes milledge off your hands, you'll wonder if hanrahan can ever find the strike zone, you wont have any room in that crowded outfield for gorkys and karstens and ohlendorf are what they are your at best #3 starters ranging from a 5th starter in ohlendorf at the moment and karstens is in long relief.

Oh, and don't forget the Yanks also gave up Ohlendorf, another starter in their rotation. Sorry, I was unaware Karstens was put in long relief.

WHy do Pirate fans continue to bring up Karstens and Ohlendorf? Neither are very good losses or pitchers the Yanks are missing right now? Do you really think Ohlendorf would be putting up the same numbers in the AL?

Not that a 4.50 ERA is good in the NL either.

YFS78: Maybe the Pirates didn't get a major haul for Nady and Marte, but they didn't exactly get nothing. And how can you criticize, how the Pirates players are doing, when Nady and Marte haven't done anything for the Yanks this year. Yeah Nady has been injured but the fact of the matter they are paying $10 million plus for negative vaule. At least the Pirates are getting league average production.

seems like the bucs want to own the yanks minor league & the oriols want the cubs minor league. i'd hope the bucs actually get something for grabow, this isn't a hinske situation.

"It's not the Pirates fault that the Yankees try to buy championships, and still fail to win any. Hell, A-Rod makes as much as the whole Marlins team is doing, and they both are second, and a game out in there respected division. At least Pirates have an excuse to lose, what's the Yankees excuse for not winning championships? Don't use Wang, Matsui, or Nady as an excuse.

Posted by: BravesRed | July 04, 2009 at 09:51 PM
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Dude seriously, do you have any common sense at all?

Yankees play in the biggest baseball market in MLB and you don't expect them to have the highest payroll and over pay for players?

My dude, that's how they generate their revenue, my gosh your stupid.

Why do i have to breathe air with you guys, seriously, just shut up.


Why would you compare A rod salary to the marlins payroll?

Have you ever watched a marlins game and a yankees game? have you ever seen the difference in attendance?

Yankees don't buy championships, if you use your head you would know yankees make the most money in baseball, so therefore they have to spend the most, does that make any sense?

i visit this site daily to get a heads up on baaseball, i normally read and don't post, but some ***** are just stupid and i can't help myself.

The top two paid Yankee pitchers are getting paid #1 pitcher money, but are pitching like #3's. Sabathia, Burnett, and Teixeira were suppose to be the saviors and make the Yankees the best team in baseball. The Yankees are paying A-Rod over $30 million, he's only worth $8 million. Jeter is getting paid over $20 million, and is only worth $13.2 million. The GREAT Mark Teixeira is only worth $11.1 million. Where I am getting at, is Yankees are paying two pitchers to be #3 pitchers, but pay them #1 money. The Yankees should of went with Wolf, he would of cost 1/3 of what Sabathia and Burnett cost, and would of did better. Even Bedard, who makes half of what those two make, is doing better. The Yankees should of re-signed Abreu, who would of cost less than what Swisher, and doing better. Even, G. Anderson is doing better.

"Dude seriously, do you have any common sense at all?"

Yep. Don't get made, because I am telling the truth, because one of your co-Yankee fans even said they buy championships.

"My dude, that's how they generate their revenue, my gosh your stupid."

Especially, when they were selling tickets, for what, like 25 cents?

"Why would you compare A rod salary to the marlins payroll?"

Because, A-Rod is half-assing it, and the Yankees are paying him a lot of money for that.

"Yankees don't buy championships, if you use your head you would know yankees make the most money in baseball, so therefore they have to spend the most, does that make any sense?"

Braves use to own a channel, yet they didn't go out and spend over $200 million. According to Cot's, the Yankees payroll is obligated to go up even more, and that is before they go out and "buy" more free agents in the off season.

"Not that a 4.50 ERA is good in the NL either."

It's better than the almost ERA of 10, Wang has.

nyankss27,

Morton has an ERA below 3.

"But bravesred, im pretty sure yanksfan1 was referring to Ramiro Pena, and Jose Molina or Fransisco Cervelli."

Well, he should of made that more clear.

"Dude seriously, do you have any common sense at all?"

Yep. Don't get made, because I am telling the truth, because one of your co-Yankee fans even said they buy championships


why would i get MADE? lol


"why would i get MADE? lol"

Because, you converted to using insults.

Hold on now: I'm tired of Yanks fans berating what the Pirates got in the Nady/Marte trade.

The Yankees got:
Nady - notoriously known for not living up to his potential, as he has ALWAYS been hurt (the year he was traded, he remained healthy - now he's hurt, as ususal)
Marte - overworked relief pitcher (I would not take a relief pitcher from the Pirates - our managers seem to KILL these guys)

The Pirates got:
Ohlendorf - he's a starter for the Pirates, and the jury is still out on him (he was a 95+mph pitcher in the Yanks organization, who has been converted to a sinker/slider guy - why, I have NO idea)
Karstens - he is a long reliever right now for the Pirates; doesn't bring any hard stuff, and should stay in the 'pen
Tabata - uber-talented young OF prospect in AA, who brought along his 50+ yr old wife that kidnaps kids (we could have done without that); he seems to have the injury bug as well, but is quite young (or so his birth certificate says)
McCutchen - no one talks about this guy, who supposedly has the highest potential ceiling of the pitchers in the deal; he's in AAA right now getting beaten up

The Pirates 1) freed up salary, so Nutting could make more money; 2) infused more talent into the minor league system through Tabata/McCutchen; 3) brought 2 arms to the big league club that we did not have before this (Grabow stepped in for Marte, so no big deal in the loss).

I just don't care for the "it is easy to say the Pirates got the better deal with Nady hurt", because if you look at his career...HE IS ALWAYS HURT.

You've just got to look at these trades as being relative to each club: the Yankees got what they needed in a bat/OF and LH reliever while the Pirates brought more talent into the organization than they had before the trade. That being said, it was a quality trade for both sides.

Hold on now: I'm tired of Yanks fans berating what the Pirates got in the Nady/Marte trade.

The Yankees got:
Nady - notoriously known for not living up to his potential, as he has ALWAYS been hurt (the year he was traded, he remained healthy - now he's hurt, as ususal)
Marte - overworked relief pitcher (I would not take a relief pitcher from the Pirates - our managers seem to KILL these guys)

The Pirates got:
Ohlendorf - he's a starter for the Pirates, and the jury is still out on him (he was a 95+mph pitcher in the Yanks organization, who has been converted to a sinker/slider guy - why, I have NO idea)
Karstens - he is a long reliever right now for the Pirates; doesn't bring any hard stuff, and should stay in the 'pen
Tabata - uber-talented young OF prospect in AA, who brought along his 50+ yr old wife that kidnaps kids (we could have done without that); he seems to have the injury bug as well, but is quite young (or so his birth certificate says)
McCutchen - no one talks about this guy, who supposedly has the highest potential ceiling of the pitchers in the deal; he's in AAA right now getting beaten up

The Pirates 1) freed up salary, so Nutting could make more money; 2) infused more talent into the minor league system through Tabata/McCutchen; 3) brought 2 arms to the big league club that we did not have before this (Grabow stepped in for Marte, so no big deal in the loss).

I just don't care for the "it is easy to say the Pirates got the better deal with Nady hurt", because if you look at his career...HE IS ALWAYS HURT.

You've just got to look at these trades as being relative to each club: the Yankees got what they needed in a bat/OF and LH reliever while the Pirates brought more talent into the organization than they had before the trade. That being said, it was a quality trade for both sides.

"McCutchen - no one talks about this guy, who supposedly has the highest potential ceiling of the pitchers in the deal; he's in AAA right now getting beaten up"

I wouldn't say he has the highest ceiling of the bunch, but he's definitely MLB ready now and needs to be called up. His numbers have looked solid peripherally.

And I agree about the Pirates deal. BOR starters are worth a lot. Bucs easily got the best of the deal.

OHH EMMM GEEE, Austin Jackson and Romine are soo OVER RATED!!!!!!111*&$#FTW

YFS78: Maybe the Pirates didn't get a major haul for Nady and Marte, but they didn't exactly get nothing. And how can you criticize, how the Pirates players are doing, when Nady and Marte haven't done anything for the Yanks this year. Yeah Nady has been injured but the fact of the matter they are paying $10 million plus for negative vaule. At least the Pirates are getting league average production.

Posted by: Steveo26 | July 05, 2009 at 12:24 AM
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Seriously, the Pirate fans on here have to be the dumbest people ever. NEVER did I say the Pirates were stupid. Never did I say anything bad about the Pirates, their GM, etc. What I said was, why do Pirate fans continue to bring up the Nady trade as if their trying to throw something in our face? If you're happy with what you got then great. Aside from Nady and Marte being injured the Yanks were happy with what they got from them in 2008. You really can't measure what the beinefits were for either team because our situations are different. The Yanks needs were immediate and short term whereas the Pirates were obviously long-term.

STOP mentioning anything w/ regards to that deal. It makes no sense. Ohlendorf and Karstens meant nothing to the Yanks. Both sucked while with the Yankees and none of the two were going to crack the rotation. Ohledorf has good potential but had a 6.00 ERA while with us. If he turns the corner and becomes a solid BOR starter for then great. But why keep mentioning it. It sounds like you guys are so use to losing that even a glimmer of a victory has you excited.

PLEASE, PLEASE...stop bringing up the Nady trade. Other than Tabata there isn't a single player traded that the Yanks might regret giving up.

You've just got to look at these trades as being relative to each club: the Yankees got what they needed in a bat/OF and LH reliever while the Pirates brought more talent into the organization than they had before the trade. That being said, it was a quality trade for both sides.

Posted by: xlazox | July 05, 2009 at 09:29 AM
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Not sure if you're a Pirates fan or not but this is the BEST statement that I've read and it sums everything up.

You simply can't look at todays player production and say who the winner was. Two different directions for either team. I said this before:

Yanks were in a situation where Posada and Matsui were both going to be on the DL for a while. Jeter and Cabrera were not providing ANY power and we needed a right handed power bat to go along with Arod. Nady came to NY and despite reverting back to a .260/.340 hitter he hit 12 hrs and drove in 40 rbi. His production from July 31st to the end of the season was 2nd to Arod only. From a power production stand point he out hit Abreu, Giambi, Jeter, Cano and Damon. Yanks had no lefties in the pen and while Marte wasn't lights out he served a purpose. Both guys kept our hopes of a wild card spot alive. Meanwhile, Ohlendorf, Karstens and McCutchen didn't fit into our future plans.

I think the Yanks should go after a reliever ALL DEPENDING on Wang's injury. If he's out for a while, I'm all for it.

We could call up Melancon, but the last thing we need is ANOTHER rookie pitcher in the 'pen.

All you Yankee haters kill me. Can't you think of anything more original than "they try to buy championships"? What a tired old argument. If you checked your facts, you would find that their payroll is actually lower this year than it was last year. And oh, by the way, the Sux went after Texeira as well, they were just too cheap to get him. And when Boston wins at least two in a row, then you might have something to say worth listening to, but until then you're still a bunch of losers who hate the Yankees because you are jealous. As a Yankees fan, I could care less what Boston does, but you guys are obsessed with the Yankees because you want to be them. The truth is you will never catch up.

Street will require too much.

Yes the yanks are trying to buy a world championship and why not? Why not spend the money if you have it? Dont blame Steinbrenner for investing huge into his organization unlike other cheap owners.The Mets Red sox and Phils could have as high of a payroll as the Yanks but choose otherwise, GO YANKS #27!!! Gardner for Rookie of the Year, Teixera for mvp, and Aj for cy young

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