Odds & Ends: Grabow, Yankees, Orioles

Wow. R.I.P. Steve.

The Red Sox traded Casey Fossum for Curt Schilling... give me a break.

actually if you are stupid enough to think it was straight up than it is not my fault.

It was for Jorge De La Rosa, Brandon Lyon, Casey Fossum and PTBNL.

Yes that Brandon Lyon who was a leader in saves for them last year.

Fossum WAS a major league starter. De La Rosa is a major league starter, and they were trying to cut payroll by 20 million.

It aint the Yankees fault the Pirates give away their talent.

calm down man. lol. Hey I dont like what the Yankees do either. I know they are trying to buy a championship but thats there choice. Its working so far this year. They would be in first place if they could beat the Red Sox. U cant tell me the trades the Pirates make are just awful. what they got for Bay was a joke. They try loading their farm system with poor players instead of getting good ones. I like the Marlins and in fact picked the Braves to win the division. But in all respect the Braves have been spending if you ask me. Hudson, vasquez, Kawakami, Lowe, McLouth, etc. The Yankees just overpay their vets, unlike the Braves who kick them out. The Yakees have their share of young guys. Just check out their pen, and their C,SS,2B,CF.

Hilarious, Jonathan. Thanks for the laugh.

Tabata was a HUGE prospect for every year but last year. Some of the greatest have had head problems.

Jeff Karstens is in the Pirates rotation right now.

Hinske was salary relief by the Pirates and they made the right move trading him, going with prospects who have at least a shot at contributing in the future, unlike Hinske.

Coersion. Lmao.

Yet still performing. So why dump them?

Milledge is a huge IF. Theres alot of guys who throw hard but cant pitch. ex. Veras, Bruney. Trust me I know. morton has been good. But its just 3 starts, didnt Karstens almost throw a perfect game last year? Gorkys has speed and defense but as far as I know he has no bat. They gave those guys up for an all star centerfielder. Thats nothing. Karstens and Odhlenorf are starters, for the Pirates only.

Jeter might be old but he has 3 more rings than ur beloved Chipper Jones.

So, you are calling Charlie Morton a joke? He threw 6 innings of one hit ball in yesterdays game. Gorkys Hernandez is a top 100 prospect. If Hanrahan could get his head straight, could be dominate, same with Millidge.

C = Posada = OLD
SS = Jeter = OLD
Bravesred
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So? Wilson Alvarez threw a no hitter and he sucks so dont give one start a reason why a pitchers great because its called Earned Run Average for a reason you could pitch poorly all season and have one great shutout and your ERA still sucks, which doesnt make for a great pitcher and soon you wont be able to wait til someone takes milledge off your hands, you'll wonder if hanrahan can ever find the strike zone, you wont have any room in that crowded outfield for gorkys and karstens and ohlendorf are what they are your at best #3 starters ranging from a 5th starter in ohlendorf at the moment and karstens is in long relief.

WHy do Pirate fans continue to bring up Karstens and Ohlendorf? Neither are very good losses or pitchers the Yanks are missing right now? Do you really think Ohlendorf would be putting up the same numbers in the AL?

YFS78: Maybe the Pirates didn't get a major haul for Nady and Marte, but they didn't exactly get nothing. And how can you criticize, how the Pirates players are doing, when Nady and Marte haven't done anything for the Yanks this year. Yeah Nady has been injured but the fact of the matter they are paying $10 million plus for negative vaule. At least the Pirates are getting league average production.

"It's not the Pirates fault that the Yankees try to buy championships, and still fail to win any. Hell, A-Rod makes as much as the whole Marlins team is doing, and they both are second, and a game out in there respected division. At least Pirates have an excuse to lose, what's the Yankees excuse for not winning championships? Don't use Wang, Matsui, or Nady as an excuse.

Posted by: BravesRed | July 04, 2009 at 09:51 PM
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Dude seriously, do you have any common sense at all?

Yankees play in the biggest baseball market in MLB and you don't expect them to have the highest payroll and over pay for players?

My dude, that's how they generate their revenue, my gosh your stupid.

Why do i have to breathe air with you guys, seriously, just shut up.

Why would you compare A rod salary to the marlins payroll?

Have you ever watched a marlins game and a yankees game? have you ever seen the difference in attendance?

Yankees don't buy championships, if you use your head you would know yankees make the most money in baseball, so therefore they have to spend the most, does that make any sense?

The top two paid Yankee pitchers are getting paid #1 pitcher money, but are pitching like #3's. Sabathia, Burnett, and Teixeira were suppose to be the saviors and make the Yankees the best team in baseball. The Yankees are paying A-Rod over $30 million, he's only worth $8 million. Jeter is getting paid over $20 million, and is only worth $13.2 million. The GREAT Mark Teixeira is only worth $11.1 million. Where I am getting at, is Yankees are paying two pitchers to be #3 pitchers, but pay them #1 money. The Yankees should of went with Wolf, he would of cost 1/3 of what Sabathia and Burnett cost, and would of did better. Even Bedard, who makes half of what those two make, is doing better. The Yankees should of re-signed Abreu, who would of cost less than what Swisher, and doing better. Even, G. Anderson is doing better.

"Dude seriously, do you have any common sense at all?"

Yep. Don't get made, because I am telling the truth, because one of your co-Yankee fans even said they buy championships.

"My dude, that's how they generate their revenue, my gosh your stupid."

Especially, when they were selling tickets, for what, like 25 cents?

"Why would you compare A rod salary to the marlins payroll?"

Because, A-Rod is half-assing it, and the Yankees are paying him a lot of money for that.

"Yankees don't buy championships, if you use your head you would know yankees make the most money in baseball, so therefore they have to spend the most, does that make any sense?"

Braves use to own a channel, yet they didn't go out and spend over $200 million. According to Cot's, the Yankees payroll is obligated to go up even more, and that is before they go out and "buy" more free agents in the off season.

"Not that a 4.50 ERA is good in the NL either."

It's better than the almost ERA of 10, Wang has.

nyankss27,

Morton has an ERA below 3.

"But bravesred, im pretty sure yanksfan1 was referring to Ramiro Pena, and Jose Molina or Fransisco Cervelli."

Well, he should of made that more clear.

"why would i get MADE? lol"

Because, you converted to using insults.

Hold on now: I'm tired of Yanks fans berating what the Pirates got in the Nady/Marte trade.

The Yankees got:
Nady - notoriously known for not living up to his potential, as he has ALWAYS been hurt (the year he was traded, he remained healthy - now he's hurt, as ususal)
Marte - overworked relief pitcher (I would not take a relief pitcher from the Pirates - our managers seem to KILL these guys)

The Pirates got:
Ohlendorf - he's a starter for the Pirates, and the jury is still out on him (he was a 95+mph pitcher in the Yanks organization, who has been converted to a sinker/slider guy - why, I have NO idea)
Karstens - he is a long reliever right now for the Pirates; doesn't bring any hard stuff, and should stay in the 'pen
Tabata - uber-talented young OF prospect in AA, who brought along his 50+ yr old wife that kidnaps kids (we could have done without that); he seems to have the injury bug as well, but is quite young (or so his birth certificate says)
McCutchen - no one talks about this guy, who supposedly has the highest potential ceiling of the pitchers in the deal; he's in AAA right now getting beaten up

The Pirates 1) freed up salary, so Nutting could make more money; 2) infused more talent into the minor league system through Tabata/McCutchen; 3) brought 2 arms to the big league club that we did not have before this (Grabow stepped in for Marte, so no big deal in the loss).

I just don't care for the "it is easy to say the Pirates got the better deal with Nady hurt", because if you look at his career...HE IS ALWAYS HURT.

You've just got to look at these trades as being relative to each club: the Yankees got what they needed in a bat/OF and LH reliever while the Pirates brought more talent into the organization than they had before the trade. That being said, it was a quality trade for both sides.

OHH EMMM GEEE, Austin Jackson and Romine are soo OVER RATED!!!!!!111*&$#FTW

You've just got to look at these trades as being relative to each club: the Yankees got what they needed in a bat/OF and LH reliever while the Pirates brought more talent into the organization than they had before the trade. That being said, it was a quality trade for both sides.

Posted by: xlazox | July 05, 2009 at 09:29 AM
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Not sure if you're a Pirates fan or not but this is the BEST statement that I've read and it sums everything up.

You simply can't look at todays player production and say who the winner was. Two different directions for either team. I said this before:

Yanks were in a situation where Posada and Matsui were both going to be on the DL for a while. Jeter and Cabrera were not providing ANY power and we needed a right handed power bat to go along with Arod. Nady came to NY and despite reverting back to a .260/.340 hitter he hit 12 hrs and drove in 40 rbi. His production from July 31st to the end of the season was 2nd to Arod only. From a power production stand point he out hit Abreu, Giambi, Jeter, Cano and Damon. Yanks had no lefties in the pen and while Marte wasn't lights out he served a purpose. Both guys kept our hopes of a wild card spot alive. Meanwhile, Ohlendorf, Karstens and McCutchen didn't fit into our future plans.

All you Yankee haters kill me. Can't you think of anything more original than "they try to buy championships"? What a tired old argument. If you checked your facts, you would find that their payroll is actually lower this year than it was last year. And oh, by the way, the Sux went after Texeira as well, they were just too cheap to get him. And when Boston wins at least two in a row, then you might have something to say worth listening to, but until then you're still a bunch of losers who hate the Yankees because you are jealous. As a Yankees fan, I could care less what Boston does, but you guys are obsessed with the Yankees because you want to be them. The truth is you will never catch up.

Yes the yanks are trying to buy a world championship and why not? Why not spend the money if you have it? Dont blame Steinbrenner for investing huge into his organization unlike other cheap owners.The Mets Red sox and Phils could have as high of a payroll as the Yanks but choose otherwise, GO YANKS #27!!! Gardner for Rookie of the Year, Teixera for mvp, and Aj for cy young