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NPB Tracker's Patrick Newman has the latest on amateur lefty Yusei Kikuchi, based on reports from Nikkan Sports and Sanspo. Kikuchi still hasn't decided whether to start his career in MLB or NPB, but he's meeting with teams starting Friday. He'll first meet with a dozen NPB teams, followed by seven MLB clubs.
Nikkan's list of MLB suitors: the Giants, Mets, Dodgers, Yankees, Rangers, Mariners and Indians. MLB.com's Anthony Castrovince confirms the Indians' interest. Newman tells us all about Kikuchi in this post.
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This kid is really dragging this thing out. Looks like he's after every dollar he can get. I'm assuming that Japan creates a rule so that every time a nice high school player comes out (i.e. Junichi Tazawa or Yusei Kikuchi) he doesn't hold the Japanese leagues hostage. Or perhaps on the other side of the coin, if the Asian League would not throw them in prison for nine and a half seasons before they are a free agent, they may get more of their top athletes wanting to sign up without meeting with every team on the planet possible.
Posted by: HeadFirstSlide | October 14, 2009 at 09:15 AM
I would stay away. Japen pitchers have not feared well
Posted by: rockford | October 14, 2009 at 09:48 AM
Slightly unfair to say they haven't fared well. Junichi Tazawa did pretty well this year for the Red Sox, considering he jumped from the Industrial League in Japan to the toughest division in baseball, at the age of 23. Not too shabby if you ask me.
Posted by: philthepat | October 14, 2009 at 09:56 AM
Kei Igawa anyone? I'm just kidding, the kid looks like he had good stuff but Japanese players are very risky. How much does he want?
Posted by: Mike Z | October 14, 2009 at 10:24 AM
Outside of pitching a decent game against NY Tazawa pretty much stunk .7.46 ERA then he got hurt.
Posted by: ToBe | October 14, 2009 at 10:35 AM
im surprised to see the red sox arent in on him as well. i hope the yankees do get this guy. how much do you guys think it would take for them to get him?
Posted by: Aj | October 14, 2009 at 11:05 AM
> "Outside of pitching a decent game against NY Tazawa pretty much stunk .7.46 ERA then he got hurt."
Yes but consider his circumstances. He wasnt supposed to pitch in the majors, but found himself thrown into a pennant race at 23 in new country. His numbers suffered from being thrown into games as mopup. He showed a lot of promise.
Now im not saying hes going to be a superstar. Far from it. But hes shown that with some more seasoning, he could be a solid #5 guy.
And he didnt acually get hurt. He reached his innings limit so they did the standard 60 day DL thing so they they could create a space.
In other words, as long as these young japanese players dont demand a kings ransom, they're worth a go for a couple of million, especially to the bigger market teams.
Posted by: philthepat | October 14, 2009 at 11:18 AM
I wouldnt want this kid just yet either...its a big difference to take a proven Japanese pro ballplayer whos showed success than an unproven high school kid! Way to risky!
And the team that gets him wont see him in the MLB for what....3 yrs?
Too big of a gamble! Not sayin it wont pay off, but whos to say it will?
Posted by: dj tizzo | October 14, 2009 at 12:11 PM
I agree that a kid from Japan right out of high school IS way too risky..as far as Tazawa goes, although he did get roughed up a couple times while in MLB, he showed incredible poise for such a young kid in such a tough situation..I mean come on, extra innings against the yankees and Arod..he'll be just fine..
Posted by: chowdah | October 14, 2009 at 01:15 PM
"I would stay away. Japen pitchers have not feared well"
Hideo Nomo posted sub-4.00 FIP's in each of his first three MLB seasons.
Chan Ho Park posted five sub-4.23 FIP's in his first six full seasons.
Matsuzaka has a 4.27 career FIP, and multiple other guys like Uehara, Kawakami, Sasaki, Saito, and others have done quite well.
Japanese pitchers have not struggled in the majors, they're just not as good as they were in Japan. Which is well, obvious.
Posted by: scribbletone | October 14, 2009 at 01:41 PM
Chan Ho Park is Korean!
But nice stats to back up your argument, no doubt Asian athletes can succeed over here
Posted by: dj tizzo | October 14, 2009 at 02:01 PM
Hiroki Kuroda is also a good Japanese pitcher in MLB.
Posted by: rthlshrtbrkr | October 14, 2009 at 02:15 PM
Only Japanese pitcher I'd be excited about would be Darvish.
Posted by: InvalidUserID | October 14, 2009 at 02:59 PM
"Chan Ho Park is Korean!"
Yeah, my mistake, I was compiling those numbers in a hurry.
Either way, here's a list of Japanese pitchers who have had varying levels of success in MLB:
Nomo, Matsuzaka, Okajima, Saito, Otsuka, Uehara, Kawakami, Sasaki, Takatsu, Hasegawa, Ohka, Yabu and Ishii, along with Tazawa, Kikuchi and Darvish, potentially.
The only major Japanese failures in the majors that I can see are Mac Suzuki, Kei Igawa, Masato Yoshii and Hideki Irabu, as far as I can tell.
Japanese pitchers have actually faired fairly well in the majors, overall. The biggest issue is that most of these guys didn't leave Japan to join the majors until they were essentially past their primes.
Posted by: scribbletone | October 14, 2009 at 04:22 PM
no for giants were ok without him and he will want a but load of dough
Posted by: giantspandaman24 | October 14, 2009 at 05:29 PM
"Japanese pitchers have actually faired fairly well in the majors, overall. The biggest issue is that most of these guys didn't leave Japan to join the majors until they were essentially past their primes."
See, I disagree. For a short time, yes. Longterm? No. Japanese pitchers seem to have a 2-3 year window to succeed, and then the league scouting and differences catch up to them. Nomo, because of that amazing knee-buckling splitfinger and deceptive delivery, is the only one to really have sustained success in the majors.
And I do not think it has much of anything to do with age because, well, age doesnt slow down other pitchers much until they push 40.
Posted by: SuzysMan | October 14, 2009 at 09:27 PM
I'd say Japanese players as a whole have done quite well coming to the bigs. Which is too be expected since only the best even attempt to come here.
Here is a link to how they fared up to the '07 season.
http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/graphics/03_30_07_japanese_players/
Posted by: Kinsm | October 15, 2009 at 05:12 AM
http://japaneseballplayers.com/en/
Another good link.
Posted by: Kinsm | October 15, 2009 at 05:15 AM
Well see, that graph backs up what I was talking about
3 or fewer played
Masanori Murakami
Takashi Kashiwada
Satoru Komiyama
Takahito Nomura
Michael Nakamura
Shingo Takatsu
Kazuhito Tadano
Keiichi Yabu
Kei Igawa
Kazuhiro Sasaki (well, 3.5)
Akinori Otsuka (lasted 3.5)
*Masumi Kuwata (played part of one season)
*Masahide Kobayashi (1 and a tiny bit played)
+ 3 played, 3 or fewer relevant
Mac Suzuki
Hideki Irabu
Masato Yoshii
Masao Kida
Kazuhisa Ishii
Tomokazu Ohka
Bucking that trend
Hideo Nomo (on and off relevance for 11 years)
Shigetoshi Hasegawa (solid 9 years of mid relief)
Takashi Saito (guess 4 relevant)
Unknowns as of yet
Hideki Okajama (so far 3 relevant, but trending down each season)
Daisuke Matsuzka (so far 2 relevant)
*Hiroki Kuroda (2 seasons so far)
*Ken Takahashi (27 innings)
*Kanshin Kawakami (1 season so far)
*Junichi Tazawa (25 innings)
*Koji Uehara (about 1/3 season)
*YasuhikoYabuta (parts of two seasons, neither relevant)
(*not listed on graph)
of those 30 pitchers, only 3 are really relevant over a total of 4 (or more) seasons, so far. And really, Nomo is the only name really worth remembering 15 years from now (again, so far.) There are possibilities for the future, but based on past track record…
Posted by: SuzysMan | October 15, 2009 at 02:16 PM