Mets Rumors: Bay, Holliday, Cameron, Delgado

lol, if the mets really want holliday, they will get him. They have the money, this is nonsense.PERIOD!

Figgins would be a nice fit for NYM in LF. No power hitter is going to want to play at that park. It's perfect for guys with gap power and speed though. He might be more in their price range as well.

"The club intends to use Daniel Murphy at first base in 2010"

So, 3rd place?

Say what you want about Omar's decision making, but what's for sure is that he'll likely make some acquisition or trade that nobody expected. Like picking up Adrian Gonzales from the Pads (fingers crossed/wishful thinking)

i have always liked the idea of figgins in left field. would allow the mets to move reyes to second in the lineup and possibly allow reyes to use his line drive swing to rack up some rbi"s

Say what you want about Omar's decision making, but what's for sure is that he'll likely make some acquisition or trade that nobody expected. Like picking up Adrian Gonzales from the Pads (fingers crossed/wishful thinking)

Posted by: Paulio, Male Gigalo | November 10, 2009 at 09:56 AM

Why don't the Mets just get Pujols and King Felix why they're at it. Wow.

i LOVE the Cubs poser fan above Laying out the foundation of a successfull Mets team.

What a JOKE ! just like your team

Say what you want about Omar's decision making, but what's for sure is that he'll likely make some acquisition or trade that nobody expected. Like picking up Adrian Gonzales from the Pads (fingers crossed/wishful thinking)

Posted by: Paulio, Male Gigalo

Hahahaha... Wishful thinking? The Red Sox getting Adrian is wishful thinking, the Mets trading for Adrian? They don't make pipe that big.

mike, chill. any ideas of your own?

''Figgins would be a nice fit for NYM in LF. No power hitter is going to want to play at that park. It's perfect for guys with gap power and speed though. He might be more in their price range as well.''

I would take Figgins in left if it came to that and we couldn't get Holliday because of certain things going down (like the Yankees outbidding us for him, which is certainly possible). Figgins and Reyes at the top of the order would be a nice 1-2 punch, as long as Reyes stays healthy.

But this still wouldn't negate the fact that the Mets need a middle-of-the-order hitter to go with Beltran and Wright. Unless Jeff Francoeur turns back into the .290/25/110 Jeff Francoeur (which is highly unlikely), there is still a huge void there.

''Also the Mets farm is not barren or terrible, it lacks depth but its top 10-12 prospects are enough to get any player Halladay, A. Gonzalez its just a mater if they want to further deplet their depth.''

And this is a far more accurate assessment than just claiming that it is impossible that the Mets get Adrian. It's only an issue of whether they want to get their farm system raided, which wouldn't really be a good idea at this point. They are finally building the farm back up - no need to deplete it further.

Wow, people. My point was that Omar often surprises on the trade market. I then expressed how much I'd love to have Adrian Gonzales in theory (who wouldn't). I even admitted that it was wishful thinking, and you still felt the need to take a cheap shot at the Mets? Let's see what happens in this experiment:

How about Ike Davis for Albert Pujols?

its the same concept as when the mets got santana from the twins. wouldnt have traded away all those potential key pieces if they woulda known he wouldnt be open to multi yr deal. point is mets cant afford to trade away prospects unless it is for a long term solution

"My point was that Omar often surprises on the trade market."

When did he suddenly get that reputation. Of the major Minaya trades with the Mets: JJ Putz wasn't a surprise considering Minaya said he wanted to rebuild the pen, the Johan trade wasn't a surprise because it looked like the Sox and yanks were basically just making sure the other didn't get him, the Delgado and Lo Duca trades weren't a surprise because the Marlins were selling off the team.

The only surprise trade I recall Minaya doing was for Bartolo Colon and I think we know how that turned out.

The Mets farm system is in shambles. Trade away any talent that is already there so you can win now. The Mets need to be thinking short term success, not long term.

haha thanks rootman. In all seriousnes, I don't see why the Padres would want to trade Gonzales this offseason. It doesn't make much sense to not wait until next offseason, unless the Pads plan to use his below market salary as leverage to demand even more quality in return. It would have to be a killer offer, enough to take any farm down quite a few levels.

Muggi makes a good point. The Mets simply don't have the farm talent to make a big time trade. They would have to give up ALL their decent players to get a marque name. It's not worth it.

Does anyone know why after i post a comment and return to the page i posted it on, its not there anymore? its real annoying at this point nt here arent any help forums lol...

Yeah it's happened to me sporadically. Try logging out and back in again.

I don't get it either, Icedrake. There are way younger and cheaper options at catcher. The catching market is awful hitting-wise. Defense should be a priority there and get the run production from somewhere else like left field.

I would prefer Prince Fielder to Adrian Gonzalez anyway. He would probably be easier to acquire because of the salary difference as well. Either player would cost a boatload but honestly Prince is the better hitter and in my opinion nobody in the majors has more power than Fielder. Honestly though I will be upset if the Mets trade for a power bat. Power? HRs? Since when do HRs matter so much? Oh yeah, I forgot Ted Williams was a HR hitter. B.S. I say, you do not need HRs to win games, in fact, HRs are rally killers in some instances. Yes, HRs are fun, but you DO NOT NEED THEM to win games. There is way too much emphasis being put on "power" nowadays. Don't get me wrong, it isn't completely irrelevant, but it is not nearly as relevant as everyone is making it out to be. Oh and I sigh with relief knowing the Mets won't sign Holliday or Lackey... both are overpriced and overestimated. Lackey is the better of the two but with next years SP free agent class it makes zero sense to lock up so much money in a slightly above average pitcher who loses his composure when he starts giving up runs. As a Mets fan I have seen too many players brought in on large contracts expected to do great things who only show up with a shadow of their former self to be OK with Holliday or Lackey. Bay isn't going anywhere but even if he were the Mets already have one streaky hitter in David Wright we don't need to add to the problem. All I'm saying is the Mets better not be hasty and make rash decisions this offseason simply because of the pressure the media is putting on them.

This is one sad string. First, I'm shocked the NYDN still lets Rubin cover the Mets. His ignorant Met bashing is insufferable. He should cover the Knicks. No one takes him serously anyway. Remember he reported the ownership LOST money to Madoff and coudn't spend. Now we find they MADE money, yet he maintains through his suspect source they won't spend. Gimme a break.

Great Omar trades? How about Francouer for Church (Milledge for Church and Schneider wasn't bad either). How about Benson for Maine? No prospects??? Gee, about 7 went for Santana and Putz. Meanwhile, every media guy thought JS was a lock for the Sox or the Yankees. Now THAT was a steal.
As for AG, he a great player, but he's no Pujois or even Texiera. If Omar wants to, he'll get him. It might cost Pelfrey, Parnell and a couple others, but it could easily get done.

"potential key pieces"

Sorry man, I'm a Mets fan and I had to laugh at that.

So much ignorance from people who do not know the Mets farm system and think they are Peter Gammons or Buster Olney on these forums.

This is an opinionated list (Adam Rubin, November 2009), but here, maybe you can learn about some of these players before you post an arbitrary statement about them...

Mets top 10 prospects

1. Jenrry Mejia, rhp
2. Wilmer Flores, ss
3. Fernando Martinez, of
4. Ike Davis, 1b
5. Brad Holt, rhp
6. Jon Niese, lhp
7. Reese Havens, 2b/ss
8. Josh Thole, c
9. Ruben Tejada, 2b/ss
10. Juan Urbina, lhp

This list does not include
-Eddie Kunz (RP potential, but some value)
-Jeurys Familia (20 years old, raw talent - 10–6 with a 2.69 ERA in 24 games with Low-A Savannah last season)
-Steve Matz, lhp (2nd round pick last year)

Muggi - "Flores- Struggled in low-A this year; sub-.700 OPS YEARS away."

Yes, he is years away because he is 17 YEARS OLD and the youngest player at his level! He struggled a bit at A ball in his first season, but his numbers as a 16 year old in rookie ball last year...
245 AB's - 8HR 41RBI, .310avg .352obp .490slg .842ops

Anyway, thats just one player, but I am not recommending the Mets trade away the farm or a chunk of it to get Halladay, Gonzo or Fielder but they certainly do not have complete trash in the minors. In the next year or two, they will move up quickly because all of the young talent will begin to get promoted.

Also enough with the, "No player will go to Citi Field because its a death trap for hitters... yada yada yada". Please look up numbers and information before these comments are made. CitiField ranked in the middle of the pack for HR's this season.

For a small sample size: During the Mets/Phillies season series of 9 games at Citi and 9 games at Citizens Bank Park

@CitiField (9 games)
Mets - 9 HR
Phillies - 14 HR

@Citizens Bank (9 games)
Mets - 7 HR
Phillies - 10 HR

Combined numbers
@Citi - 23 HR
@CBP - 17 HR

I know this is a small sample size, but these numbers are similar throughout the entire season and its good to use because the Mets had the worst HR numbers in the NL and the Phillies had the best. Also, Citi was viewed as a graveyard for sluggers and CBP was viewed as a wiffle ball field.

Now thats out of my system, as for the original post...

As much as I hate the idea, and wanted to move on this offseason. Bringing back Delgado on a 1 year incentive deal, and maybe Nady with a similar deal could be beneficial.

1) Allows Murphy/ Ike Davis another year of development at 1st Base.
2) Could provide a big power upgrade if Delgado has anything left in the tank.
3) Provide flexibility and a platoon at 1st/RF, which enable them to snag a true LF for this year. Holiday as long as they do not overpay in years and money too badly.

1. Reyes
2. Castillo
3. Wright
4. Beltran
5. Holiday
6. Delgado/Nady/Murphy
7. Francouer/Nady
8. Catcher (Barajas?)
9 Pitcher

That lineup would be a force in the NL.

"This is one sad string."

Most Mets-related strings are bad, but thanks for adding to the "sadness".

"Great Omar trades? How about Francouer for Church (Milledge for Church and Schneider wasn't bad either). "

if a "great" trade for your GM involved acquiring Jeff Francoeur, it's time for a GM. Also yes, the Milledge deal WAS bad. It's called "selling low".

"How about Benson for Maine?"

"Great" trade would be a bit of a stretch here methinks.

"As for AG, he a great player, but he's no Pujois or even Texiera. If Omar wants to, he'll get him. It might cost Pelfrey, Parnell and a couple others, but it could easily get done"

Easily? Too funny. So the centerpieces for a cheap 40-homer (in Petco no less) 1B under team control for two years would be a reliever with a 5.30 ERA and 1.66 WHIP and a starter with an ERA over 5. Got it. Perhaps the Mets can throw in Tim Redding and Daniel Murphy and get the Padres to send over Heath Bell and Chris Young as well.

haha, yeah, I love it. Send us AG, your in demand free agent, and we'll send you a #5 starter, a below average closer, and, you know, a couple other guys.

MrMet:

Re-read my post...we agree.

The Mets, in a year or two, may have several desirable trade chips. Right now, they have one A prospect and a bunch of guys that struggled/underperformed at a new level last season. The do NOT have the bullets to pull off a major trade centered completely around prospects RIGHT NOW, which some are suggesting.

Guys that are great in A, but struggle in AA are not centerpieces for a blockbuster THAT YEAR. Until they can prove they can at least hang in AA, they're B-grade or lower in terms of trade value.

The Mets have enough prospects to get any player they want, stop with the exaggerated, uninformed, anti-Mets, biased, bulls***. They are currently ranked right near the middle of farm systems and could easily rise with some better showings next year by the aforementioned players. No one has mentioned Dillon Gee yet who throws 96 and if he can develop a more consistent changeup will be a good major league arm. How about Ruben Tejada who is a solid prospect? The Mets have a more than adequate farm system and could get Roy Halladay, Adrian Gonzalez, or Prince Fielder, if they so desired.

Also the fact that Bay or Holliday are out of the Mets price range is complete garbage. The Wilpons have already said they will spend this offseason and the Mets will continue to operate with a high payroll. We will, I guarantee, have either Holliday or Bay in LF next year (hopefully Holliday).

The Jays wouldn't trade Halladay to the Phils and they offered prospects infinetly better than the Mets have. Don't expect the Jays to settle just because he's in his last year.

The Mets don't have the money for Holliday or Lackey because they have to upgrade so many other positions as well. Perhaps if that wasn't the case they would have that money. But if you only have say $30m to spend why in Gods name would you spend $20m of that on one player who isn't even worth it? This is one of the first decisions made by Omar (assuming it is true) that I am actually supporting.

@CubsWin?
Hahahahaahahahaa hate to agree with you but very true. Perhaps best top three in the league?

Im a fan of having castillo at second base for the rest of his contract, I like him there, if a deal for Adrian Gonzalez cant be done i would bring back Delgado to play first over Murphy, John Garland sounds like a good idea as does lopez if they decide to move castillo. Because of perez big contract you cannot just forget he exists he HAS TO be a part of the rotation, but I think these moves should be done:

That's a championship 25 man roster IF everyone is healthy and you keep Ike Davis and you keep Reese Havens, Jefry Marte, and Wilmer Flores. Everyone is happy!