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By Tim Dierkes [November 11, 2009 at 3:34pm CST]
USA's Today's Bob Nightengale is cranking out the tweets...put this stuff in a column, Bob!
- He says the Red Sox met with Scott Boras about Matt Holliday, as a Jason Bay contingency.
- Brewers GM Doug Melvin told Nightengale no one has heard from Ben Sheets or his agent. Back in October, assistant GM Gord Ash told the AP, "There's been once and a while conversations with his agent to remind that we still have that ongoing interest."
- Yankees GM Brian Cashman told Nightengale he didn't sit down with a single agent. Seems kind of weird.
- Talking to Mariners GM Jack Zduriencik, Nightengale learned that the team is still open to acquiring a DH despite re-signing Ken Griffey Jr.
- D'Backs GM Josh Byrnes told Nightengale the Super Two cutoff is two years, 139 days, leaving Mark Reynolds one day shy. That saves the team some bucks. But it looks as though Adam Jones, Mike Fontenot, and Micah Owings will be arbitration-eligible. Are Fontenot and Owings non-tender candidates?
Holliday to the Red Sox. Bay to the Giants.
Posted by: Kulaid33gobrs | November 11, 2009 at 03:38 PM
despite all the excitement the giants will have a quiet offseason. and the part about cashman having talked to no one is the same bs they used last season when they signed tex. holliday's coming to nyc and thats that.
Posted by: yankees88 | November 11, 2009 at 03:44 PM
say no to holliday, yanks fans.
Also, Owings should seriously consider the Rick Ankiel route.
Posted by: BaseballFan0707 | November 11, 2009 at 03:46 PM
Does this mean that Sheets isn't in good enough shape to pass a physical?
Posted by: JoeI | November 11, 2009 at 03:47 PM
Cashman not talking to agents makes sense. The GM meetings are about things like rule changes and management issues, not trades and signings.
The Yankees season was only over for a few days by the time the GM meetings started, so they aren't having their organizational meetings until after the GM meeting ended. Until those meetings are held, they have no offseason plans, which makes meeting with agents mostly pointless.
Posted by: yanksfan | November 11, 2009 at 03:49 PM
I know there are Cub fans who feel Fonteno is something special. Really, he is not an everyday second baseman. Plus, he is without any other positions he can play to justify him as a utility player. Other than the fact Fonteno hits left handed and has occasional power for a little guy, he is just a guy on the team. Nice guy, but the truth is Baker has more value because he can fill in a few different positions. If there is any GM who can find another part-time second baseman out of nowhere, it's Hendry. Non tender Fonteno.
Posted by: studio179 | November 11, 2009 at 04:00 PM
cashman doesnt need to talk to the agents...they'll come to him once they get their max offers from the other teams....this of course isnt how things really go down but it doesnt appear that the yanks have a hard on for anybody like they did last year....cashman please avoid lackey and holliday
Posted by: offseasonreason | November 11, 2009 at 04:02 PM
Holliday to the Red Sox. Bay to the Giants.
Posted by: Kulaid33gobrs | November 11, 2009 at 03:38 PM
That's what I think will happen as well. Holliday is a better hitter and a better long term investment than Bay. Then I can see potential long term deals for V-Mart and Beckett, another free agent pitching signing like Rich Harden, and possibly a SS signing like Marco Scutaro.
Posted by: Youuuuuuuuuuuk | November 11, 2009 at 04:07 PM
"I know there are Cub fans who feel Fonteno is something special. Really, he is not an everyday second baseman. Plus, he is without any other positions he can play to justify him as a utility player. Other than the fact Fonteno hits left handed and has occasional power for a little guy, he is just a guy on the team. Nice guy, but the truth is Baker has more value because he can fill in a few different positions. If there is any GM who can find another part-time second baseman out of nowhere, it's Hendry. Non tender Fonteno."
Agree with everything here - perfectly said.
We know we arent going to be able to trade Miles (and Hendry was illogically excusing his horrific play just yesterday, so he will likely be around). Baker is set to be around, and Blanco is on staff as well. There isnt a real need for him now - and having 4 middle infielders means 3 will be on the bench.
Hendry should be pushing as hard as possible to trade him at the meetings (esp instead of wasting time with Grabow who isnt going anywhere if he is offered Arbitration). If he cant trade him, then just non-tender him to save the buck.
Knowing Hendry though, he will probably keep all of Fontenot, Miles, Blanco and Baker who will, with an OF like Fuld or Fox and Hill for back-up catcher, make one of the worst benches you could ever assemble.
Posted by: SuzysMan | November 11, 2009 at 04:44 PM
I made a mistake earlier on Morrow as a Super Two. With his demotion this year he is not close to that.
Posted by: Tim Dierkes | November 11, 2009 at 04:46 PM
I dont think the Yankees will sign anyone huge this offseason. I see Matsui remaining with the team now that Jr. Griffey resigned. Also I see them signing Damon(I hope they dont) They are going to do what they did in 2007 offseason and realize that they need to save up for Doc next year.
Posted by: Phil | November 11, 2009 at 04:57 PM
I don't know why everyone is so down on Bay. I'd rather have Bay than Holliday.
Holliday didn't have much in the way of power numbers since leaving Colorado, surprise surprise.
I hear everyone trashing Bay's defense. The guy didn't score an error all year. He plays a good left field in Fenway.
I just think for the same price, Bay is the better player. The Sox can ill afford to lose the power and get another J.D. Drew. This team lacks the punch.
Posted by: SoxFan2009 | November 11, 2009 at 05:03 PM
Im sorry I completely forgot about A-Rod in 07. They also signed Andy Pettite. srry
Posted by: Phil | November 11, 2009 at 05:06 PM
@ SoxFan2009
keep dreaming. You really believe Bay is the better investment here? And the argument that he had no error is irrelevant. And please stop the Drew bashing. He has outproduced his salary and is one of the better all around outfileders in the game
Posted by: Baseball@Europe | November 11, 2009 at 05:13 PM
"The Sox can ill afford to lose the power and get another J.D. Drew"
Sox fans really need to get off of Drew's case. Of regular right fielders last year (not counting Zobrist) he was only out slugged by Justin Upton and Nelson Cruz. He lead regular right fielders in OPS. If you believe in UZR/150, he lead right fielders and was ranked 6th among all outfielders. Since the beginning of his contract, he's been 4th in OPS among regular right fielders. Sure the guy has injury issues that require us to carry a good 4th outfielder. But if there's one thing that Sox fans should criticize Drew for is his bat.
Posted by: start_wearing_purple | November 11, 2009 at 05:13 PM
Question: Is Zduriencik just F'in with Nightengale by telling him that the Mariners are still open to a DH after signing Griffey?
If not, are the M's just going to make Ken a full time mascot next year like Gwynn Jr in SD?
Posted by: agonzo23 | November 11, 2009 at 05:31 PM
Nobody said I was down on Drew. I'm a Sox fan you morons. I'm saying that we HAVE J.D. Drew. We NEED power. The threat of putting the ball out of the yard with men on base. They didn't have that with Ortiz's struggles.
Also, yes, I am saying Bay is the better investment. He's familiar with his coaches, fellow players, and environment. He hits for more power the Holliday, the Holliday whose career has only been sparked by two decent years in mile high air.
And yes, the no errors argument IS valid. How can you say someone has below average defense when they didn't commit one single error, in left field, in Fenway Park, in front of the green monster. Give me all the queer internet baseball statistic site's irrelevant information and I'll settle on the fact that the man committed no errors.
I think it's a sure thing with Bay. He'll hit around .270, hit 35 HRs, and knock in a bunch of runs. You don't know if you'll get the Colorado Holliday, the Oakland Holliday, or the St. Louis Holliday.
Also, do you really want to focus all the effort on signing Holliday, let Bay walk, and end up with neither? I don't. Sign Bay.
Posted by: SoxFan2009 | November 11, 2009 at 05:48 PM
Reynolds lost out big time after having that huge season this year. Hopefully for him, he can keep his AVG and counting stats up for his arb next year.
I wouldn't non-tender Owings, simply because he probably wouldn't crack 7 figures in arb.
Posted by: AA | November 11, 2009 at 05:52 PM
No way Owings is non-tendered. If they don't want to pay him, there are a ton of other teams who would take him.
Posted by: kay wizz | November 11, 2009 at 06:13 PM
Adam Jones' arb eligibility is not good news for the o's. Should they use some of their excess cash to sign him to a long term deal, buying out his arb years (+ some FA years)?
Posted by: 12345 | November 11, 2009 at 06:19 PM
I don't think (or at least hope not) that the Yankees will invest in an expensive LF with Carl Crawford becoming a FA next year. CC would be an awesome fit in NY, and he is young enough to join the new young core the Yankees have.
Posted by: jtbraden | November 11, 2009 at 06:44 PM
As a die-hard Sox fan who watches every game (thank God for DVR) I'm torn between Bay and Holliday. I know Holliday overall is the better of the two, but it would depend on the contract as to which I'd prefer, as well as many I've talked to. Even non-Sox fans agree that the contract is the biggest key here. Not the money exactly, but the years. Theo hinted that the payroll would not remain the same. I'm pretty sure he didn't just mean for players up for raises and Arb. I'd love to see Holliday because I've always been really high on him. Of course, Bay has proven he can play in Boston. However, St.Louis isn't exactly a small market team. Oakland is, but it doesn't scare me that he performed less than the Matt Holliday we know and love. I'm leaning towards Holliday only because of the defensive difference and the strike out difference. I know some of you might critisize me for that, but I'm not even saying that if a strike out is replaced with a hit it makes a difference in signing a player. But what would happen if a player struck out 40 times less in a season and those 40 times were still outs but moved a runner from 2nd to 3rd, or 1st to 2nd, or 3rd to home? I felt a lot of Bays strike outs were because he was trying to hit the wall, or hit a sac fly, so on and so on. I feel Holliday, while he strikes out a lot as all power hitters do, would be better as far as my point earlier. Then there are more RBI opportunities and more options to score runs. Overall, Holliday is better, but if it takes 2 more years on a contract and more than a few million per year, then I'd feel really happy about Bay signing with the Sox. I still feel that in the end, the Sox will sign Bay for 4 years, $65 million. That means that technically they are only $5 million apart, so don't be suprised if something happens soon. It could even be 4/60 like 1st reported with a $5 Mill signing bonus. However, I think for the Sox to sign Holliday they'd be looking at 5/75 at the VERY least. If that happened, there would be some clause in his contract stating that any Boras client would get a private Jet to and from games lol.
Posted by: jondogg1985 | November 11, 2009 at 06:53 PM
I had the most rediculous dream last night. Now before anyone comments on how rediculous I am, please note I never ever would expect this to happen, but be a Sox fan if you're not for 5 seconds and see how this would make you extremely excited. For some reason, the SF Giants wanted JD Drew. So what they did was they proposed a trade where if Boston traded him and were willing to give up Manny Delcarmen, they'd pick up his contract. Theo got so excited, he almost had a panic attack. He immediatedly accepted, and the league office did too, stating that acquring a potential closer or at least a set up man to "Pet Sounds" Brian Wilson was enough to complete the trade with no money going to SF. Definitely a Christmas card with a $5 dollar bill like Gramma used to do, but no significant money. With the money the Sox saved plus the opening in the OF, the Sox signed Bay to play LF for 4/65 and Holliday to play RF for 5/80. The moves allow the Sox to bat Ortiz 7th, and he has a monster year hitting .290 40 110 and wins comeback player of the year. Since its a dream, ironically Bay wins a Gold Glove, having gone the whole 2010 season without committing an error. Wishful thinking? Yes. Which sucks, because unlike yankee fans who actually think if this were their situation that someone WOULD do this, I know its fake and I'd live to 560 before this would ever happen.
Posted by: jondogg1985 | November 11, 2009 at 07:00 PM
I'm hearing Scott Boras wants a Mark Teixeira type contract for Matt Holliday. Like buyers none.
Posted by: ericbrat20 | November 11, 2009 at 07:32 PM
Oops meant:
Likely* buyers none.
Posted by: ericbrat20 | November 11, 2009 at 07:33 PM
Holliday to the Red Sox. Bay to the Giants.
Posted by: Kulaid33gobrs | November 11, 2009 at 03:38 PM
That's what I think will happen as well. Holliday is a better hitter and a better long term investment than Bay. Then I can see potential long term deals for V-Mart and Beckett, another free agent pitching signing like Rich Harden, and possibly a SS signing like Marco Scutaro.
Posted by: Youuuuuuuuuuuk | November 11, 2009 at 04:07 PM
I totally agree with you, but are you talking about a long term deal with Rich Harden? Or Marco Scutaro? 'Cause I'd only go to two years.
Posted by: twitter.com/bomberj11 | November 11, 2009 at 08:24 PM
Ha, ha!
The final revenge for this trade is now on the side of M's fans. Thanks to Bill Bavasi, Mike Hargrove, and John McLaren for recalling Adam Jones to the majors in 2006 and 2007, then letting him sit on the bench to keep it warm, giving him the extra service time to achieve arbitration eligibility a year early. M's fans can now gloat over this trade...
*Puts hand to earpiece as he receives an update*
No, wait...sorry. The trade still sucks. Bavasi still screwed us.
*Sighs and shakes fist at imaginary Bavasi in his head*
Posted by: StarryEyed | November 11, 2009 at 09:06 PM
Hey Jondogg, the most ridiculous thing is the way you spelled "rediculous" you moron. Any team out there has the ability to sign any free agent they want. Only the Yankees, actually invest and spend the money. I love how everybody calls out the Yankees for "buying" a title. Would you really be upset if your team went out and spent money on the best players?? Thats "rediculous"
Posted by: elliotoffen | November 13, 2009 at 09:37 AM