MLBPA Threatening To File Grievance

The Major League Baseball Players Association is thinking about filing a collusion grievance charging owners with conspiring against free agents last winter, according to the Associated Press.  Union head Michael Weiner confirmed to the AP that there is an ongoing investigation.

"We have concerns about the operation of the post-2009 free agent market," Weiner said.  "We have been investigating that market. Our investigation is far along but not yet complete."

Agents for players have claimed that they have received multiple similar offers for free agent clients and have urged the union to speak up on the matter.

The union also alleged misconduct by teams following the 2008 season.  The two sides reached a standstill agreement, giving the players' association more time to decide whether to proceed with a grievance on that matter.

Meanwhile, the MLBPA also announced today that Opening Day salaries are up slightly from last year, according to Tom Singer of MLB.com.  The average player salary is $3.34MM compared to $3.31MM last season.


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5 years 4 months ago

The MLBPA is ran by greedy bastards.

aat17068
5 years 4 months ago

MLBPA doesn’t quite understand that we just went through one of the worst recession in a while and even as we emerge, we have much work to do to get even close to comfortable.

Talk about not being in touch with reality. MLBPA, you get no sympathy from me. When your MLB players make a minimum of $300k and your average salary is $3.34mm, that sounds like the financial industry. Weren’t you reading the WSJ?

No one wants to hear about your crying poor.

Zack23
5 years 4 months ago

“No one wants to hear about your crying poor”
Where did they say they are poor? They are claiming that they feel the owners are conspiring in order to keep salaries down- which is illegal if its proven.

04Forever
5 years 4 months ago

so basically the complaint is that because there were so many similar offers there is some kind of conspiracy were GMs are going behind close doors and basically discussing setting prices, seems thin to me. only more evidence that baseball needs to consider a cap if this continues

5 years 4 months ago

If this were true, Steinbrenner would’ve given Cashman another $10 million and Cashman would’ve stole a lot more free agents.

Redbirds16
5 years 4 months ago

Isn’t that the definition of a market economy? I mean, it’s not like I go to grocery store A and find milk at 50 cents then travel to grocery store b and find milk at 5 bucks. Many vendors, similar prices.

Maybe baseball organizations are simply getting better at gathering information about their clients before they hire them.

Redbirds16
5 years 4 months ago

Rather, not the definition, but a product of….

ReverendBlack
5 years 4 months ago

I guess there was collusion to leave the Cardinals and Mets out of the collusion.

Ferrariman
5 years 4 months ago

Boo hoo. Go work a 60k/yr job and then start vying about not having enough money in your wallets

Zack23
5 years 4 months ago

You missed the point. If your profession is worth 100k, yet you only get offers of 60k while the companies in your industry is seeing their profits increase, then are you just going to take the 60k and shut up about it?

5 years 4 months ago

If nobody is willing to pay you 100k, is it really a 100k dollar job? If a guy is really worth that, offers all come in at 60k, somebody will come in and offer 70k, still getting a 30k discount. Millions of people (even those worth 100k, are out of a job right now). If this is about all of the 1 yr offers versus the 4-6 year deals that were handed out five years ago, this is just good business. It didn’t take long for teams to regret the signings of Juan Pierre, Gary Matthews Jr, etc.

Lastly, the average salary went up. Enough said.

Zack23
5 years 4 months ago

“If nobody is willing to pay you 100k, is it really a 100k dollar job?”
No, but if companies are colluding to make you not get an offer that is fair market value, then in this situation that is illegal.
No doubt teams regreat GMJ, Pierre, etc. And for some teams its good business. And maybe its not- baseball owners have colluded before so if the union feels like they are they should investigate. And if they prove they did then the owners should be held accountable, if they cant then they obviously shouldnt be punished.

But this topic is more than “stop being crybabies” like some people make it out to be.

“Lastly, the average salary went up. Enough said.”

Claiming a $30,000 difference is proof there was no collusion doesnt work IMO.

Redbirds16
5 years 4 months ago

a 1% raise in a depressed economy isn’t all that bad.

ReverendBlack
5 years 4 months ago

“If your profession is worth 100k, yet you only get offers of 60k while the companies in your industry is seeing their profits increase, then are you just going to take the 60k and shut up about it?”

Probably. Or maybe you’ll sue someone and lose.

Unless you’re the MLBPA and you wield completely inappropriate power.

Your sentence should have read “If your profession is worth 100k, yet you only get offers of 60k while the companies in your industry is seeing their profits increase, then your profession is not worth 100k.”

Steve_in_MA
5 years 4 months ago

I’m pro-union generally and I believe the MLBPA is barking up the wrong tree. Absent direct evidence, they have to assume player salaries would either decrease or at least suffer smaller growth in this general economy. The fact that some FA’s got similar or identical offers at below market in this marketplace is not indicative of collusion. Its indicative of basement pricing from a decreased revenue base.

5 years 4 months ago

I think the increasing similarity of offers shows that more and more teams are relying on metrics and stats rather than scouting alone. There is no discrepancy in the numbers, so teams would value players more similarly than in the past when scouting ruled the front office.

The MLBPA annoys me because it’s as if they think that MLB players should be immune to the global recession. I don’t know of too many fields where salaries have remained stable, let alone moderately increased in the last year. Matt Holliday’s contract doesn’t exactly scream collusion to me. It has been a trend that middling veteran are being priced out of the market by their own demands though. Teams are relying on cost controlled young players rather than overpaying for veterans…that’s not collusion, it’s good business.

jdub220
5 years 4 months ago

Seriously, the MLBPA needs to quit being babies.
They have the best job in the world and get paid millions upon millions of dollars.
I wish I could be paid millions to play a game…

Redbirds16
5 years 4 months ago

I wouldn’t pay to watch you. You’re not good enough. If you were good enough, I’d be paying to watch you. I go to Nats games.

ellisburks
5 years 4 months ago

Well there goes your whole argument.

Redbirds16
5 years 4 months ago

tongue in cheek?

5 years 4 months ago

Seems like the MLBPA is made up of a bunch of spoiled brats. The economy is in the tank, people are spending less money — did they think that salaries were going to keep going up at the same rate? Talk to me when the average player salary isn’t measured in the millions.

Zack23
5 years 4 months ago

And did attendance go up last year? Did teams make more profit last year?

“Talk to me when the average player salary isn’t measured in the millions.”
Why? Sure they get paid alot, and their companies make alot more.

5 years 4 months ago

And the average family can’t even afford to go to a game in Chicago or New York anymore. Average prices in these cities are nearly $100 per ticket. The only places that they can afford to go are the small market teams that don’t overpay for players.

Zack23
5 years 4 months ago

No, that’s completely false. There are thousands of tickets for Yankee games that are under $40. Are they front row seats? No, but that’s like complaining that a BMW costs 2-3x more than a Kia.

SRT
5 years 4 months ago

There are tickets to be had at Citi Field for $11 bucks. As your analogy said, no one is stopping you from driving. You just might not be able to afford the luxury car of your dreams but you can afford one that will get you back and forth.

johnsilver
5 years 4 months ago

When the Mets start putting a winning/competitive team on the field, those tickets will no longer go unsold and no longer be just $11.00 either. That is another case of the market driving the price down, just like the player salaries being driven down.

No big deal on salaries being down either, just market correction. Dye, Nick Johnson, Vlad type contracts for huge sums of $$$ are over and done with. The days of Scott Boras setting the standard of what the salaries will be for all FA is history and it’s about time.

The MLBPA wants to keep pushing this type of stuff? Just cut out a few teams, that will wipe out a few more jobs…

danwatson19
5 years 4 months ago

The more developed and utilized advanced stats get, the more of a quantitative “worth” players will be given. That’s going to lead to a lot of similar offers, with small incremental attempts at outbidding. It’s just the new face of the game.

Synesthetik
5 years 4 months ago

How can it be considered collusion if all of the franchises are actually subsidiaries, just like the other pro sports (see: NHL, NFL, etc)? i.e. If they’re actually all the same organization, how can you have collusion within an organization? Doesn’t make sense, really.

k26dp
5 years 4 months ago

Because they are supposed to be independent businesses operating in association with each other. Albert Pujols is an employee of the St. Louis Cardinals, not Major League Baseball. The other pro sports leagues are the same way. Any attempt to fix the salaries of employees between the teams in ways inconsistent with the Collective Bargaining Agreement would be considered collusion, which is by definition an unfair labor practice.

k26dp
5 years 4 months ago

The MLBPA has every right to investigate. The owners have colluded before, there’s nothing to say they aren’t again. Hopefully the investigation will show no wrongdoing.

Zack23
5 years 4 months ago

That. I’m sure if MLBTR was around in the 80s we’d have people say “Cry babies” “Try making 30k a year” etc, and guess what- the union was right.
If they feel its collusion again then they should investigate, they have nothing to lose.

ZeroZeroZero
5 years 4 months ago

Why does it mean collusion if all teams value aging stars like Johnny Damon and Jermaine Dye the same?

5 years 4 months ago

No, it’s not. And I suspect that’s what’s happening here. It’s GMs getting smarter about how and when to apply resources.

That said, the MLBPA should still do their due dilligence and investigate.

Jerry Mandering
5 years 4 months ago

Crybabies.

5 years 4 months ago

Now that there are statistics that tell you about how many wins a player will contribute, and there are statistics that tell you how much a win is worth, simple math would provide everyone with the approximate value of each player, no?

ReverendBlack
5 years 4 months ago

Except the Mets and Cardinals maybe, yes.

jamesaphone
5 years 4 months ago

This is not hard to believe, the owners have been found guilty of collusion before in the 80’s. Why wouldn’t they do it again? Once a cheater always a cheater. the Union needs to keep presure like this on the teams and remind them that they can’t get away with this again!

Personally – I don’t think they are doing this. I think the Rays have single handedly influenced MLB teams how to make it to the top without forking over a lot of money.

5 years 4 months ago

Folks always have beef with the players when they complain. Here are a couple of things 1. It’s not your money
2. They get paid to play a game yes, but try are the best at that game in the WORLD! Not only that they have been working at it since they were 5-10 years old
3. Do you want the owners to have more money?
It’s billionaires fighting with millionaires over their piece of a 6 billion dollar industry.

friscofan101
5 years 4 months ago

i think that teams have more stats and are able to better judge what contracts might be. and with the emergence of sites like this and everything being driven by the media i think that everyone enters with a number that they have all herd before from the same source being the media. but if they were in colusion then im pissed the giants didnt get better players out of it.

Koby2
5 years 4 months ago

Not that I’m supporting the MLBPA (I don’t really think they have an issue here for many of the reasons already stated), but we also have to look at the fact the player’s career is usually much shorter than that of many other people’s careers in different fields. So the money they make in their career has to last them the rest of their life, usually do to the fact this is the best skill they have. When that’s gone, they have to rely on their lesser skills to survive, while entering a new field at a much older age than others.

Still, the MLBPA doesn’t have much of a leg to stand on, unless they have clear and verifiable evidence to suggest/prove collusion took place.

humbb
5 years 4 months ago

“Agents for players have claimed that they have received multiple similar offers for free agent clients and have urged the union to speak up on the matter.”

Very simply, those multiple similar offers were either “minor league deal” or “not interested”.

turnthe2
5 years 4 months ago

I know that MLB had a different salary form back then but I’m curious to learn how the Great Depression effected players and owners back then and compare it to now…..any economists out there?