What The Mariners Wanted For Cliff Lee

Annoyed your favorite team didn't strike a deal with the Mariners for Cliff Lee?  At least consider the details of Jack Zduriencik's high asking price, as reported by Joel Sherman of the New York Post.

According to Sherman, the Mariners general manager set out to acquire "an interested organization's best position prospect with less than one year of service."  He was offered none better than the Rangers' Justin Smoak.  The Yankees' Jesus Montero was apparently the next-best position prospect offered.  Zduriencik also targeted players such as Ike Davis of the Mets, Desmond Jennings of the Rays, Domonic Brown of the Phillies, Gordon Beckham of the White Sox, and Brett Lawrie (who would've had to have come from the Brewers in a three-way deal).  Sherman notes that the Mets never offered a player better than Fernando Martinez; Jenrry Mejia and Wilmer Flores "were never part of discussions."

Sherman also gets into the failed Yankees-Lee deal like only he can.  He gathered that the Yankees and Mariners had a deal in principle, at which point teams expect you to stop talking to other clubs.  Sherman expects the bad blood to linger, making the Yanks unwilling to deal with the Mariners in the future.  The Yankees were also apparently "rankled" by Seattle's confusingly high asking price for Jarrod Washburn last summer.  Another thought: an executive recently wondered aloud to me how Kevin Towers was involved in the Lee trade talks.  Towers has a close relationship with both Brian Cashman and Zduriencik.

From the Rangers' point of view, GM Jon Daniels indicated today to The Ticket's Norm Hitzges that he continually had an open dialogue with the Mariners.  Daniels felt that the Rangers were in second place Friday morning, until he adjusted his offer.


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149 Comments on "What The Mariners Wanted For Cliff Lee"


BravesRed
5 years 1 month ago

I would never give up my top prospect for 2 months of a player.

atrain17
5 years 1 month ago

That’s why you’re not a GM

CrustyJuggler
5 years 1 month ago

Sherman expects the bad blood to linger, making the Yanks unwilling to deal with the Mariners in the future.

Oh I bet if the M’s found themselves in another ‘We must rid ourselves of one of the best players in baseball’ situation again, the Yanks would have a real short memory. By the way, I thought they were already “rankled” and not in a hurry to deal with Seattle again after that whole Jarrod Washburn thing?

Just goes to show.

The_Silver_Stacker
5 years 1 month ago

only if they make King Felix available other than him probablly won’t deal with the M’s

m4r1n3r
5 years 1 month ago

and this would be fine…. All I’m seeing here is an organization crying like a little baby after they didn’t get what they wanted.

East Coast Bias
5 years 1 month ago

Really, that’s ALL you see here? So you’re blind to the fact that they had a deal in principle, then the Mariners went back on their word? Plus, no one’s really crying, as we’ll get Lee in the off season anyway AND get to keep Jesus Montero. A blessing in disguise is what I see, but I’m sure you and I see things very differently.

m4r1n3r
5 years 1 month ago

Right…. what evidence do you have that the M’s had a deal done and Jack went back on his word? I’m betting you have none and I doubt the Yankee’s could provide such evidence either. So you get to keep Montero and supposedly will probably shell out way more than any baseball player should make to get Lee in the off season. Congratulations!!

East Coast Bias
5 years 1 month ago

Thanks!! You say as if paying a player what he’s worth is a BAD thing…

And as for going back on his word, read around dude, it’s the general consensus everywhere. I mean, yeah, I didn’t personally ask Jack Z of his side of the story, but that’s what reporters are here for, no? I can easily flip this silly argument on you and say something just as asinine with “what evidence do you have that the M’s never had a deal in principle with the Yanks?” I’m betting you have none either. Yet, the stories being reported from multiple, and credible, sources lean in my favor. Not yours.

And for you to blindly disregard that fact, in my opinion, is being quite divorced from the reality of the situation.

m4r1n3r
5 years 1 month ago

nice try but no…. Please link me your multiple sources that state Jack went back on his word. Joel Sherman reports it so it’s automatically true? C’mon man. You can’t prove he was unethical and if the reports are true then SOMEONE should be able to prove it no? Bottom line: Yankee’s missed out on Lee and now they are WHINING LIKE LITTLE GIRLS about it.

BTW I think most if not all baseball players are WAY overpaid. Yankee’s take it to the extreme.

East Coast Bias
5 years 1 month ago

I’ll show you mine if you show me yours. Go on, show me your evidence that Jack Z DIDN’T go back on his word after having a deal in principle. To start you off, here’s one link from Joel Sherman. Again, for you to totally disregard a credible source, especially one that many other sites, including this one, quoted… well, it’s being divorced from reality. I’m sure there are others, just… I don’t have time to research… yet. Wait till the weekend or something. Until then, I gave you one, Sherman. Your turn…

And again, whining like little girls – where? Seriously, are you delusional dude? The Yankees, as an organization, have no reason to cry because they get to keep Montero and try to get Lee in the off season. Neither are their fans, at least not the majority. Lee coming to the Yanks would be like Lebron going to the Heat aka game over. But in no way a necessity this year. I think everyone, on either side of the argument, understands that. He would be a luxury, not a necessity. So why would anyone whine or cry? The only thing I’ve read is a supposed rift between Yanks and Ms from here on… but that will probably dissipate soon enough.

Lastly, look up supply and demand. The more a player is coveted, the more he can use that leverage to add to his dollar amount. You’re only worth what someone’s willing to pay you.

5 years 1 month ago

I love the fact that the Yankees feel burned on this deal. Whenever there is a high priced free agent they are yearning for they tell the agent to call them after they get their best offer a la Texeira so they can top it and get the player. That is exactly what the Mariners did, they got their best offer, called a club to see if they would top it. The Rangers topped the offer and Lee gets sent to the Rangers. Boo hoo New York, someone beat you at your own game.

The_Silver_Stacker
5 years 1 month ago

How the M’s handled this was Unethical and shows how classless of an organization they are. Like the article said once you have a deal in principle which they did, you stop shopping for other offers. The M’s should compensate the Yankees

InvalidUserID
5 years 1 month ago

I agree with what the M’s did was unethical but the Yankees will see no compensation as there weren’t any broken (official) rules.

m4r1n3r
5 years 1 month ago

Pot…. meet Kettle.

m4r1n3r
5 years 1 month ago

Pot…. meet Kettle.

lionofsenate
5 years 1 month ago

The Yankees were outmaneuvered and outbid by a bankrupt team. LOL!

East Coast Bias
5 years 1 month ago

The deals in place were trading prospects, not money. LOL!

lionofsenate
5 years 1 month ago

The Yankees were outmaneuvered and outbid by a bankrupt team. LOL!

5 years 1 month ago

There is a difference between an agent receiving an offer and shopping said offer around and two teams agreeing on a trade (twice, mind you), exchanging physicals of the involved players and one team still shopping the offer around.

foxtown
5 years 1 month ago

I thought the reason it broke down is because the Yankees infield prospect (can’t remember the name) had issues during his physical or they were concerned over his health. I’ll have to find the previous post but it doesn’t sound like the physical was just a formality.

5 years 1 month ago

That was an issue from the past that the M’s brought up to try to make the cancellation of the deal look okay, despite the fact that David Adams showed no signs of injury. Everyone’s physicals came back fine.

foxtown
5 years 1 month ago

Oh, I didn’t know you had access to their medical records.

yankeesfan5891
5 years 1 month ago

Nope. I just know how to research and read. You should try it sometime.

foxtown
5 years 1 month ago

Oh, I didn’t know you could research and read their medical records. Sounds illegal.

yankeesfan5891
5 years 1 month ago

It’s not illegal it’s frowned upon.

yankeesfan5891
5 years 1 month ago

Nope. I just know how to research and read. You should try it sometime.

foxtown
5 years 1 month ago

I thought the reason it broke down is because the Yankees infield prospect (can’t remember the name) had issues during his physical or they were concerned over his health. I’ll have to find the previous post but it doesn’t sound like the physical was just a formality.

bj82
5 years 1 month ago

“a la Texeira” You do know that the Yanks offer for Tex wasn’t the highest.

Yankees009
5 years 1 month ago

Stop being ridiculous. If this happened to any team other than the Yankees, you’d be crying about how unethical the deal was. When you exchange physicals and agree on a deal, you don’t do what Seattle did. It’s not just the Yankees front office, other officials from around baseball are turned off by what they did. It’s not just the Yankees that will stop dealing with them, it’s a lot of other teams around baseball that will think twice before agreeing to send them players. Teams won’t trust them anymore, plain and simple. Who wants to be used to get another team to pull the trigger?You try to claim Yankees fans have a double standard and are getting a taste of their own medicine, when in fact it’s you who is letting your bias blind you from simple business etiquette. If you did this at your place of work on a sub contract say, you would be blacklisted by every firm in your sector.

5 years 1 month ago

“Who wants to be used to get another team to pull the trigger?”
Seriously? This happens all the time. Yanks got burned at their own game.

Now they will have to wait a few months to sign Lee, which is exactly what they will do in the off season. And they saved their stud catching prospect.

Yankees009
5 years 1 month ago

Conveniently ignoring every other point of my post to focus on one line, you might as well just admit I’m right.

Burned at their own game? The Yankees don’t go out of their way to do these things, it’s agents like Boras that try these dirty tricks. Teixeira had not signed a contract with any team or done something to indicate such like submitting to a physical, so how did he get “stolen” by the Yankees? Apparently Teixeira was very turned off by Red Sox management when they met with him and didn’t really want to sign with them anyway.

The Yankees make deals on their terms, and every team tries to demand way more of them because they are the Yankees. Give them credit for not getting used, unlike Texas, which should be embarrassed by what it submitted itself to. And to say it’s alright because it has happened before is just ridiculous. Do you think it was right for Furcal to go back on a deal he had with the Braves to sign with LA? No way, it was unethical. But because it wasn’t the Yankees, you weren’t telling them to suck it up?

You have clear and obvious bias, which renders your opinions difficult to take seriously. If this happened to anyone else, you’d be complaining too. Get over it and try seeing things objectively.

People aren’t upset because this hurt the Yankees- they’ll sign Lee anyway and keep Montero and Adams. They don’t need him, their entire rotation has been good this season. They’re upset that Seattle played dirty, and other officials around the league have been quoted on such as well.

ronny9
5 years 1 month ago

I agree with the fact that it is wrong to agree in principal and go back on your word; but aren’t the Mariners doing the right thing by getting themselves what they deem a better haul for the player that they owned the rights too?

For example: if i agree to trade you an apple for ten M&M’s at lunch time and we are just about to make the swap and I look over at Joey and say “hey are you sure you don’t want this apple for 11 Skittles? I mean this is the best apple you’ll ever have!” Joey says “you know what, i’ll do it”. You are probably mad at me, but you can go to the store and BUY yourself an apple for tomorrow’s lunch.. But i would argue that it is my duty to get myself as many peices of candy for that one apple as i possibly could. And if i prefer skittles to M&M’s, isn’t that my business???

Im sorry that i had to go there for an example, but either way, i think if you are the Mariners and you agree in principal you haven’t actually swaped the players.

Maybe they saw something in Montero’s physical (or another peice of the trade) that wasn’t a HUGE deal and hasn’t been reported on, but was something where they decided, “you know what.. He passed the physical but there was an orange (not red) flag. B/c of that flag and the fact that there is another possible trade that we could do with another player that we love just as much (or close to as much) we’re going in a different direction.”

Again, I’m not agreeing or disagreeing with anyone; As a sox fan i’m happy the Yankees didn’t get him, but i would be pissed if the same situation happened to the Sox.

Either way, i think it is the duty of the Mariners’ front office to get the best deal that they possibly could get. Whether it’s ethical or not, it is their duty to get the best deal not the most ethical one…And in 3/4 years if Smoak or King Felix or whomever is an impending free agent, is doing well and is on the block; the Yankees will come calling..

ronny9
5 years 1 month ago

I agree with the fact that it is wrong to agree in principal and go back on your word; but aren’t the Mariners doing the right thing by getting themselves what they deem a better haul for the player that they owned the rights too?

For example: if i agree to trade you an apple for ten M&M’s at lunch time and we are just about to make the swap and I look over at Joey and say “hey are you sure you don’t want this apple for 11 Skittles? I mean this is the best apple you’ll ever have!” Joey says “you know what, i’ll do it”. You are probably mad at me, but you can go to the store and BUY yourself an apple for tomorrow’s lunch.. But i would argue that it is my duty to get myself as many peices of candy for that one apple as i possibly could. And if i prefer skittles to M&M’s, isn’t that my business???

Im sorry that i had to go there for an example, but either way, i think if you are the Mariners and you agree in principal you haven’t actually swaped the players.

Maybe they saw something in Montero’s physical (or another peice of the trade) that wasn’t a HUGE deal and hasn’t been reported on, but was something where they decided, “you know what.. He passed the physical but there was an orange (not red) flag. B/c of that flag and the fact that there is another possible trade that we could do with another player that we love just as much (or close to as much) we’re going in a different direction.”

Again, I’m not agreeing or disagreeing with anyone; As a sox fan i’m happy the Yankees didn’t get him, but i would be pissed if the same situation happened to the Sox.

Either way, i think it is the duty of the Mariners’ front office to get the best deal that they possibly could get. Whether it’s ethical or not, it is their duty to get the best deal not the most ethical one…And in 3/4 years if Smoak or King Felix or whomever is an impending free agent, is doing well and is on the block; the Yankees will come calling..

5 years 1 month ago

Did you know that what happened with Texeira was different because Tex was the one who played the Bosux? Tex was mad with the sux front office because when he was a rookie, boston coveted his skills, so they passed the word around that Mark would go to college, so he didn’t receive offers… except from the bosox (the same way boston has acquired some of their best players in the drafts), so Mark decided not to sign with them because (he said) he felt he was being played by the sux, he went to college and re-entered the draft 3 years after that.

Tex said in an interview he returned the favor to the sux by agreeing with the yanks, he asked them not to make it public (contract signed and all, just about to be submited to the MLB Comissioner’s office), asked Theo to come to Tex’s home, they talked and they left thinking they had a deal… after that he announced he had signed with the Yanks.

5 years 1 month ago

Wow, not sure I believe that Tex admitted that, but if he did he is a really, really sad person. What did the current Red Sox managment/owners have to do with what happened to him back in 1998?

Also please cite some examples of other times the Red Sox have done this rather than just making baseless accusations.

5 years 1 month ago

Wow, not sure I believe that Tex admitted that, but if he did he is a really, really sad person. What did the current Red Sox managment/owners have to do with what happened to him back in 1998?

Also please cite some examples of other times the Red Sox have done this rather than just making baseless accusations.

Yankees420
5 years 1 month ago

If you want to be taken seriously, I suggest that you don’t refer to the Red Sox as “the sux” or “Bosux” because it makes you come across as immature. Just a piece of advice.

bflaff
5 years 1 month ago

Fortunately for Seattle, and other teams’ willingness to deal with them, the Ms are running out of players that other teams would want at this point. So any mistrust is kind of moot.

metsman
5 years 1 month ago

Omar deserves a lot of credit for not getting into the hype. We have some real gems in our farm system and Thole is one of them. I think time will show he is the best catching prospect around his age group with a unique skill set. of all the teams in on the bidding the Rangers should be dubbed least like-Lee to succeed.

5 years 1 month ago

F-Mart was the highest prospect I would have traded for Lee, and I feel like he’s around 7 or 8th best in the Mets organization now.

iHeartMets
5 years 1 month ago

I agree! Our farm system is really good. I can’t believe how well out prospects have been. Especially Ike.

5 years 1 month ago

I’m 90% sure that earlier this decade the Yanks “stole” David Wells away from a verbal agreement with the Diamondbacks. This is just something that happens. A written agreement is the only way you’re guaranteed anything — and they’ve done it too…

5 years 1 month ago

Yes, Sherman referenced this in his article.

Cyyoung
5 years 1 month ago

GM is suppose to make his team better. Thats it. What if the Rangers dont make the Play-offs? They’ve been known, to hit the skids in second half.

bj82
5 years 1 month ago

This is has nothing to do with Texas. Is how they handle and made believe the Yanks they had a deal. No only that, but like last year and Washburn, they ask for a stupid amount of quality players. Their excuse for taking the Rangers offer was that they were concern with Adams ankle, but the Yanks agree to replace him in the deal with who they ask. After seeing the Yanks agree to that, they kept asking for more player SS E. Nuñez. I’m ok with teams asking for whatever they want, but the way they kept asking its like you doing business with a guy on craisglist.

5 years 1 month ago

How is the amount or quality of players you are asking for unethical? It’s called bartering.

Yankees009
5 years 1 month ago

It’s called stalling until another team gives you a better offer. Who refuses to make a deal because of concerns over an ankle sprain? If they had such a big problem with his injury, they would have worked with the Yankees to put together another package that they found acceptable, not dilly dally until they backed out of the deal entirely.

LowcountryJoe
5 years 1 month ago

Yankees are sulking on this one. They, of all organizations, should understand that until a deal is actually finalized, an organization is obligated to do what’s in the long-term best interests.

monroe_says
5 years 1 month ago

There’s something really rotten with the game when the Yankees can’t have every player they want on their own terms. This madness must stop!

5 years 1 month ago

Does anyone know for sure that the M’s shopped the deal around after the agreement? Is it not possible that Texas read all the same stuff everyone else did and made a phone call on their own and upped the ante?

Yankees009
5 years 1 month ago

The Mariners purposely leaked the deal to the media to drive up the price, do you seriously think it was spontaneous?

Stop with the ridiculousness. Seattle even tried to tell the media the Yankees *may* be interested in Lee to try to get other teams interested when they weren’t even seriously targeting him earlier in June.

Submitting the physicals is typically a mere formality on the path to making the deal. They didn’t back out because of concerns about an ankle sprain, they backed out because they got a better deal. That is unethical.

Again, if you did something like that in a normal business, the company you shafted would probably never deal with you again. Just because it happened to a team that you clearly hate, it doesn’t mean you can’t see this objectively.

5 years 1 month ago

Every team leaks information. Welcome to the internet age, glad you could get savvy to how it’s run. This happens in business all the time. Get over it.

Yankees009
5 years 1 month ago

Everything I say you just write off as “part of the game.”

If you did these things in the business world, nobody would ever want to deal with you again. It’s common business etiquette.

How do you think a major firm treats an employee that leaks to the media that they are on the verge of acquiring another company? They probably get fired and blacklisted by every firm in the industry. The Yankees keep these things quiet because unlike Seattle, they behave ethically.

Seattle had a ton to gain by being unethical, but that doesn’t make what they did right. What team are you a fan of? Answer honestly, because I bet it’s one that has quite a lot of reasons to hate the Yankees.

bj82
5 years 1 month ago

I would suggest ignoring Joe, he is one of those typical blind anti-Yanks fans.

not_brooks
5 years 1 month ago

How would you be responding to this if it happened the other way around, with Texas getting the shaft and the Yankees getting Lee? Answer honestly, because I bet you wouldn’t care.

Yankees009
5 years 1 month ago

The Yankees don’t do these things though because they do act ethically, so saying that is baseless. If the Yankees did do it though, I would still feel they acted unethically. I wouldn’t be upset about having the player, but I’d certainly take some heat from fans of other teams and rightfully so. At least I’d have the guts to admit that even though they had the player, they were probably right that the deal went down in a less than sterling fashion.

If this happened to any team other than the Yankees, you’d be questioning what went down and you know it. Stop being a hypocrite and own up to it.

not_brooks
5 years 1 month ago

Maybe you’re right. Maybe I would be more interested in questioning the deal if it happened to some other team.But that’s probably because this is the first time that the Yankees didn’t get exactly what the wanted in what, a dozen years?As a matter of fact, maybe I’m a little happy that this happened to the Yankees. It was a bit unethical, but it certainly wasn’t illegal, and it’s certainly no worse than what the Yankees did to the D-Backs with David Wells a few years back. Maybe Seattle was even a little wary of dealing Lee to the Yankees because, deep down, they didn’t want to see the Yankees cruise to yet another World Series win. Of course, the whole “getting the best players they possibly could” thing was probably the main motivation for Jack Z.Anyway, maybe this will be a wake-up call to MLB that something needs to be done to change the financial landscape. I’m not talking about a salary cap, more like getting rid of guaranteed contracts or, even better, putting a third team in the NY market. The fact that Yankee fans can sit back and say, with almost 100% certainty, “Oh well, we’ll get him in December” should be enough to show that something needs to change.

Msforever
5 years 1 month ago

Lol! Ya gotta stop doing that when I’m drinking milk. “The Yankees don’t do these things though because they do act ethically”. That might be the funniest thing I’ve ever heard.

Yankees009
5 years 1 month ago

Provide an example of a way in which the YANKEES have acted unethically in the last 10 years, or stop with the nonsense. Don’t think about the David Wells move, because that was the PLAYER who backed out of the deal.

Yankees009
5 years 1 month ago

Provide an example of a way in which the YANKEES have acted unethically in the last 10 years, or stop with the nonsense. Don’t think about the David Wells move, because that was the PLAYER who backed out of the deal.

Msforever
5 years 1 month ago

Lol! Ya gotta stop doing that when I’m drinking milk. “The Yankees don’t do these things though because they do act ethically”. That might be the funniest thing I’ve ever heard.

Jerryek
5 years 1 month ago

“The Mariners purposely leaked the deal to the media to drive up the price, do you seriously think it was spontaneous?”

This is just a silly statement.

Jack Z is NOTORIOUSLY tight lipped with the media. Look at the coverage of the trade. This website has a very extensive list of all the media updates. The vast majority of the posts are from New York media outlets. Think that’s a coincidence?

The Yankees always do their negotiations through the media. They leak more information to the media than any other club. If this deal hadn’t involved the Yankees, none of this stuff would have been made public. They pulled the same BS with the Washburn near-deal last season.

If a club wants to deal with the Yanks, they might as well just put the negotiations directly on ESPN. Because the Yankees front office is the most porous in baseball.

Yankees09 has the audacity to blame another club for being unethical. And the Yankees have the audacity to suggest they will blackball the M’s for acting in their own best interest. Seriously???? Maybe the Yankees should stop airing their dirty laundry in public before they start making accusations about other clubs.

Yankees009
5 years 1 month ago

Why would the Yankees leak the news that they are about to finish the deal?

What do the Yankees have to gain from leaking an impending deal and getting more teams to up their offers and get back into the negotiations?

Do you even think before you post this nonsense?

When the Yankees traded for Vazquez back in December, not one media outlet could get the scoop until the trade was official. All they knew was that a trade may be going down for a starting pitcher, but nothing else. The Yankees have plenty of control over their front office, but Seattle on the other hand? They had officials quoted as early as June trying to create the perception that the Yankees were interested in Lee when they hadn’t even met as an organization to set their trade priorities.

Yankees009
5 years 1 month ago

Why would the Yankees leak the news that they are about to finish the deal?

What do the Yankees have to gain from leaking an impending deal and getting more teams to up their offers and get back into the negotiations?

Do you even think before you post this nonsense?

When the Yankees traded for Vazquez back in December, not one media outlet could get the scoop until the trade was official. All they knew was that a trade may be going down for a starting pitcher, but nothing else. The Yankees have plenty of control over their front office, but Seattle on the other hand? They had officials quoted as early as June trying to create the perception that the Yankees were interested in Lee when they hadn’t even met as an organization to set their trade priorities.

craptorstic
5 years 1 month ago

Whatever, the Yankees only hurt themselves by closing themselves off to trade for feeling insulted.

craptorstic
5 years 1 month ago

Whatever, the Yankees only hurt themselves by closing themselves off to trade for feeling insulted.

Msforever
5 years 1 month ago

Damn. I can’t believe the M’s treated the Yankees with such unethical practices of taking another teams offer. I guess the only ethical response that the Yankees can respond with is to sign Cliff Lee to a 4 year/ 400 million dollar contract.

Yankees009
5 years 1 month ago

So let me know what happens when as the contract manager of your business, you back out of a deal you pretty much had locked up with another company only to take a deal from one of their competitors? I’m sure they will be hesitant to do business with you again, and recognizing such your organization will probably let you go.

The Seattle GM did what was best in the short run, but burned his bridges for the long term. I’m sure the owner cannot be too thrilled with what went down, especially considering that Justin Smoak in the end may not end up being that much better a hitting first baseman than Jesus Montero.

Msforever
5 years 1 month ago

“It’s my party I can cry if I want to, cry if I want to, cry if I want to…”

Yankees009
5 years 1 month ago

An immature response like that pretty much tells me you can’t refute my point. Thanks for making it so easy.

Msforever
5 years 1 month ago

Dude. You sound ridiculous. Just stop already. I dare you to tell me that the Yankees don’t and historically haven’t engaged in unethical practices. Do you want me to name a few to refute your point? The Yankees are going to overpay once again for the best free agent this offseason (Cliff Lee) and possibly the top two or three free agents available (Werth or Crawford). In the end, you still get your man without giving up your beloved Montero. Please don’t talk about “ethics” and “Yankees” in the same sentence. I don’t see why you’re wining.

“Big girls don’t cry, big girls don’t cry, they don’t cry yi yi!”

Yankees009
5 years 1 month ago

Yes, I challenge you to post some “unethical practices” the Yankees have engaged in lately. Don’t go back to citing things from the 70’s and 80’s because those were under completely different front office people. Things that players and agents have done don’t count either.

The Yankees overpay for guys? So what, they pay these guys what they are going to get anyway on the market if they let 2 or 3 other teams enter into the bidding, they’d rather just lock them up immediately and not take the chance. The Yankees have built a strong business model and are taking advantage of their success.

If the Yankees were a .500 team every year, the fans wouldn’t come- look at what happened to the Mets last year. Yankee Stadium was empty in the early 90’s. If your team has a front office that doesn’t try to win, then it’s their own fault that they can’t afford to sign guys as they claim (even though their entire payrolls in some cases are paid for through revenue sharing).

raffish
5 years 1 month ago

I don’t think you know jack about the “business world”. You keep referencing it like you know what people can and can’t get away with and I couldn’t disagree with you more.

I’ve worked in the business world and watched some questionable to felonious characters pull totally bogus stunts– stuff the moral police would crap their pants over– and in no way are they blacklisted by the “business world” or anyone for that matter.

As long as the “real world businessman” isn’t a total crackpot, and they have what others want, they will be in business. People who can sell themselves and make things happen rule the “business world”.

In fact, being unscrupulous at times can pay huge dividends. It’s always smart to pick those times when it really matters, ala Smoak, (if that is what really happened).

Msforever
5 years 1 month ago

Different front office people? You mean a Steinbrenner? Kind of like how a Steinbrenner is running things now? Same people, same ethics. And I can’t mention 70’s, 80’s or the David Wells situation because they “don’t count”? Dude, just stop already.
Mark Teixeira.

Msforever
5 years 1 month ago

Dude. You sound ridiculous. Just stop already. I dare you to tell me that the Yankees don’t and historically haven’t engaged in unethical practices. Do you want me to name a few to refute your point? The Yankees are going to overpay once again for the best free agent this offseason (Cliff Lee) and possibly the top two or three free agents available (Werth or Crawford). In the end, you still get your man without giving up your beloved Montero. Please don’t talk about “ethics” and “Yankees” in the same sentence. I don’t see why you’re wining.

“Big girls don’t cry, big girls don’t cry, they don’t cry yi yi!”

not_brooks
5 years 1 month ago

Or both of them will be .300/30/100 hitters. Or neither of them will pan out. But that’s baseball. Trading for or signing a player is always a gamble. And Jack Z took the biggest gamble of all, possibly burning bridges with several organizations.

But, you know, I’m going to go ahead and say that, in four of five years, if the Mariners are selling and Justin Smoak is hitting .320 with 18 home runs at the break, all of those bridges are going to be rebuilt.

not_brooks
5 years 1 month ago

Or both of them will be .300/30/100 hitters. Or neither of them will pan out. But that’s baseball. Trading for or signing a player is always a gamble. And Jack Z took the biggest gamble of all, possibly burning bridges with several organizations.

But, you know, I’m going to go ahead and say that, in four of five years, if the Mariners are selling and Justin Smoak is hitting .320 with 18 home runs at the break, all of those bridges are going to be rebuilt.

not_brooks
5 years 1 month ago

Just read the Sherman article. How about this pararaph:

“So the Yanks were surprised when the Mariners asked for their best Triple-A position prospect then, as well, in Austin Jackson plus either Zach McAllister or Manuel Banuelos. The Yanks refused that request and Seattle never came down from asking from Jackson. The Yanks left that process confused, as well, because the Mariners ultimately accepted Mauricio Robles and Luke French from the Tigers, and the Yanks viewed that duo as far inferior to Jackson. The Yanks felt Seattle asked them for way more than they ended up accepting.”

I was unaware that Brian Cashman is a 14-year-old girl. “Waaaah they asked us for too much! Waaaah they overplayed their hand and were forced to take a lot less than what they asked us for! Waah!”

What a joke…

Yankees009
5 years 1 month ago

They were surprised that Seattle would take so little when they were asking for so much. How is that crying? Every general manager was probably wondering the same thing. When you try to use teams like that, they will try to make you look bad in public as revenge. That’s the same thing that is happening right now, and that’s the risk you take.

And you are right, he did take the ultimate risk in burning his bridges. If you were going to get similar quality center pieces to the deal, then the owner must be wondering why his GM was willing to risk such, especially with a team that may be looking to trade other pieces before the deadline this year.

not_brooks
5 years 1 month ago

Why were they surprised though? That doesn’t make any sense.

The M’s asked them for a ton, the Yankees said no. The M’s realized that they weren’t getting as much as they were asking for and ended up settling for a lot less.

That’s just common sense.

not_brooks
5 years 1 month ago

Why were they surprised though? That doesn’t make any sense.

The M’s asked them for a ton, the Yankees said no. The M’s realized that they weren’t getting as much as they were asking for and ended up settling for a lot less.

That’s just common sense.

Yankees009
5 years 1 month ago

They were surprised that Seattle would take so little when they were asking for so much. How is that crying? Every general manager was probably wondering the same thing. When you try to use teams like that, they will try to make you look bad in public as revenge. That’s the same thing that is happening right now, and that’s the risk you take.

And you are right, he did take the ultimate risk in burning his bridges. If you were going to get similar quality center pieces to the deal, then the owner must be wondering why his GM was willing to risk such, especially with a team that may be looking to trade other pieces before the deadline this year.

Jonathan Gallo
5 years 1 month ago

I can’t be the only one who believes Jesus Montero>Smoak.
I understand though the other prospects coming from TEX were clearly better than Adams.

5 years 1 month ago

I totally agree with you. If I were the M’s I would have taken the Yankee deal and moved on. As a White Sox there was no way they were going to get Beckham for a 2 month rental. Congratulations M’s your going to continue to suck.

raffish
5 years 1 month ago

That was a ridiculous post. The only reason the M’s wouldn’t get Beckham for Lee is that the White Sox aren’t as good as the Yanks and couldn’t absorb the hit. It’s not like Chicago is “smarter”.

As an M’s fan I too question Smoak vs. Montero. Montero sounds like a monster. However, I understand Smoak to be closer to major league ready, to have a definite position, and to be a good on defense. Montero, in all his studliness, isn’t any of those things. Montero may never have a defensive position. Montero may be three or four years away from contributing. And the peripheral package was stronger in Texas. It makes sense for what the M’s are trying to accomplish.

And yes, the M’s will continue to suck. For another year or two. Watch out, White Sox fan. You guys are potentially on the brink of Houston Astros-like collapse.

5 years 1 month ago

I totally agree with you. If I were the M’s I would have taken the Yankee deal and moved on. As a White Sox there was no way they were going to get Beckham for a 2 month rental. Congratulations M’s your going to continue to suck.

Jonathan Gallo
5 years 1 month ago

I can’t be the only one who believes Jesus Montero>Smoak.
I understand though the other prospects coming from TEX were clearly better than Adams.

$4555515
5 years 1 month ago

I’d rather have smoke as he is more major league ready also this article is a joke…anyone who has been following this knows that it was pending medical reports and the mariners obviosly didnt like what they saw and withdrew from talks its that simple

you can complain all you want new york fact is you dont know what was in the reports only the M’s and yanks do so you have no bussines calling the M’s unethical

typical new york media

Msforever
5 years 1 month ago

Yeah. How about the Yankees knowing full well that “damaged goods” Adams injury was worse then they originally let on. Ethical?

bj82
5 years 1 month ago

How about the full story? M’s wanted Adam Warren instead and the Yanks said ok. So the M’s also requested SS Eduardo Nunez.

bj82
5 years 1 month ago

How about the full story? M’s wanted Adam Warren instead and the Yanks said ok. So the M’s also requested SS Eduardo Nunez.

Msforever
5 years 1 month ago

Yeah. How about the Yankees knowing full well that “damaged goods” Adams injury was worse then they originally let on. Ethical?

TheRealKillers
5 years 1 month ago

Why does everyone keep talking about the Yankees going after King Felix when he’s a free agent?? The Yankee skipper doesn’t even think he’s an all-star! Yeah, Felix can’t wait to join a club that treats him like crap.

TheRealKillers
5 years 1 month ago

Why does everyone keep talking about the Yankees going after King Felix when he’s a free agent?? The Yankee skipper doesn’t even think he’s an all-star! Yeah, Felix can’t wait to join a club that treats him like crap.