Stark On Rasmus, Jeter, Gonzalez, Morgan

If the Cardinals put Colby Rasmus on the trade market, they would “only get 60 or 70 cents on the dollar,” according to one MLB executive who spoke to ESPN.com’s Jayson Stark. Here’s a detailed look at potential suitors for Rasmus, and here are the rest of Stark’s rumors:

  • Derek Jeter and agent Casey Close understand that the Yankees aren’t going to offer an embarrassingly low contract this winter. As Stark points out, the Yankees offered Jorge Posada a four-year deal heading into the season in which he turned 37. Posada was coming off of an MVP-caliber season, so the comparison only works to a point, but as many reporters have pointed out this week, Jeter is going nowhere and the Yankees aren’t going to low-ball him.
  • Adrian Gonzalez probably won’t be on the trade market this winter, according to clubs that have spoken to the Padres. They’ll try to contend in 2011 and consider trading Gonzalez if they aren’t in contention next summer.
  • Two scouts who cover the Nationals say they expect the team to shop Nyjer Morgan this winter. One of the scouts said there’s a “non-existent” chance that Washington keeps him.


36 Responses to Stark On Rasmus, Jeter, Gonzalez, Morgan Leave a Reply

  1. Dave_Gershman 5 years ago

    I think it’s such a geat story how Adrian Gonzalez was going clear cut, the #1 obvious trade targer at the deadlne coming in to the season and now we find the Padres in first place since May or something like that. The Padres are such a great story. And they are on a winning streak!

    This also may sound crazy…But I think the Nationals should buy low on Carlos Beltran. I think he would be a great fit in DC, expecially if they can’t re-sign Dunn. Also, Morgan in my opinion should stay in DC. He is obviously upset about his actions this year and I could really see this urning in to Miguel Cabrera 2.0 in the sense that Miguel Cabrera made an effort to improve his repuation and quit doing things that got himself in to trouble.

    • alphabet_soup5 5 years ago

      Morgan’s play won’t make up for it like Cabrera’s has though

    • Just_MLB 5 years ago

      carlos has a no-trade clause…i doubt he is waving it for ANY NL team, much less one that is in transition ala the Nats. I see Carlos waving it for Texas…. Tampa Bay assuming the Mets pick up almost all of his 13 mil ( 5 deferred )…Boston….Yanks….
      there is a very limited set amount of teams Carlos wants to go to…and also a limited set amount of teams that would want him…

      • Dave_Gershman 5 years ago

        If he is unhappy in NY which he might be, I doubt he would reject a trade to the nats.

  2. moonraker45 5 years ago

    Rasmus seems like AA’s type of player and this looks like his kind of situation…

    I would send Zack Stewart, Thames, and maybe a throw in like a jesse litsch, brad mills, robert ray.

    Should get the deal done.

    • Guest 5 years ago

      Yeah…. No, Cardinals say no. I doubt Rasmus gets traded, TLR is the one who goes.

      • moonraker45 5 years ago

        thats as good as a deal as they would get for rasmus. i agree that they wont get full value. and zach stewart is a legitimate prospect. should crack the top 50

        • Dave_Gershman 5 years ago

          Let’s just hope he wins tonight.

        • Ferrariman 5 years ago

          thats the whole point. Rasmus could be a fixture in the team for like 5 years and maybe more while TLR could retire next season or the season after. i think its pretty obvious who is more valuable to the team right now.

          Besides, if you couldn’t get full value for someone, than why trade him? no reasonable executive will sell low on a guy unless it is a Milton Bradley scenario, which its not.

    • Dave_Gershman 5 years ago

      I don’t think so man. Thames is a legit prospect now. I talked to him last night and I we were talking about his home runs…He hit so many he couldn’t remember which one we were talking about!!! Zach Stewart, (pitching tonight and please please beat Petitte! Come on Fisher Cats lets get it done! You didn’t win for me last night lets do it tonight!) is also turning in to a pitcher and not a thrower without command…Should be two prospects that the Jays keep and add to the core that they already have. Thats why I don’t want teams like the Jays to trade their minor leaguers when they have a good thing going in their organization. Maybe they can make a package for Rasmus around their Major Leaguers like Snider and as you said, Litsch or maybe some breakout year low level guys like Carreno or something like that.

      • moonraker45 5 years ago

        whoa whoa seriously? I would denounce my jays fanship if they traded snider unless they got a bona fide star back… and you wouldn’t trade thames who’s 24 and in AA but you would trade Snider who’s 22 and in the bigs?

        Zach Stewart I agree is a pretty good looking prospect, but you gotta give something up to receive something back, i don’t think we’d get rasmus for brandon league and chavez.

        • Dave_Gershman 5 years ago

          Well my thinking about Snider in my opinion, is that Thames has a much higher ceiling and more potential but that Snider, who might bring back Colby, who could be much better than Snider. So I was saying maybe Snider and Carreno straight up could get Rasmus now, but maybe not for a player like that in the future. I value Snider as not as good as Rasmus long term and not as good as Thames either.

          • moonraker45 5 years ago

            Thames doesnt have a ceiling anywhere close to SNiders, if he did at 24 he would be in the majors or at the very least dominating AAA… Snider is only 22, and has gotten a pretty unfair welcome in to the league due cito’s senile ways.. When Snider started getting in to a grove right before he got hurt, he was the teams most dangerous hitter. I wouldn’t trade Snider for Rasmus straight up, no way no how.. Snider is worth way more.

          • Dave_Gershman 5 years ago

            Your still one of my favorite Jays fans and MLBTR pals, and everyone has disagreements…well this is oner.

            Thames dominated AA so nothing tells me he won’t dominate AAA. Well see, I just like Rasmus long tem over Snider.

          • Encarnacion's Parrot 5 years ago

            To be fair on Thames, he was drafted at the age of.. 22? And is still 23. Snider I believe was drafted at 18.

          • Dave_Gershman 5 years ago

            Yeah exactly. Its not his fault if he started late.

          • moonraker45 5 years ago

            Age being drafted doesn’t always equate to how fast you get up to the bigs. Snider earned his way up regardless of age.

          • moonraker45 5 years ago

            he’s 24 in 8 weeks. technicality!

          • Encarnacion's Parrot 5 years ago

            When it comes to prospects, months do matter in age until they’re MLB may stayers IMO. And it’s quite possible Thames would have been in AAA if NH wasn’t making the playoffs – same for Drabek now that I think about it.

          • moonraker45 5 years ago

            i doubt drabek will ever hit las vegas, the pcl isn’t where you send your prize pitching prospects

          • Encarnacion's Parrot 5 years ago

            Agreed. It’s a league more or less for veteran pitchers trying to recapture their MLB status, and hitters making sure they don’t heh.

          • the idea that you dont send your pitchers to the pcl is a ridiculous richard griffin notion. only less ridiculous than packaging travis snider in any trade for colby rasmus. if it is true that hes only going for 60 cents on the dollar, i think a package of listch and david cooper should more than suffice.

            and while i wouldnt use the word “fault” to describe a 24 yr old in AA, i would not ignore it either. if the guy was as developed as snider was at 18, he’d have been through AA a long time ago.

  3. David X 5 years ago

    If I were the Nationals, I would just cut Nyjer Morgan if he wasn’t inclined to turn his attitude around, and fast. What’s the trade value for fourth outfielders who don’t do anything other than run and have an attitude case to boot? It’s gotta be close to zero. Plus, you make a statement to the guy (not that those are always received in much of the sports community) and the rest of your roster. Seriously, a move like that would have some side benefits for sure and would not cost you much. It’s not like Nyjer Morgan is going to turn into Lou Brock at his age (29).

  4. I can’t defend all of Morgan’s actions but I probably would have charged the mound after 2 balls were throw behind me.

    • David X 5 years ago

      And running into a catcher who wasn’t blocking the plate (twice, STL’s Anderson and FLA’s Hayes), along with throwing a ball into the stands and injuring a fan? This is not a one-time incident. At this point the guy is clearly more trouble than his .632 OBP and subpar stolen base rate is worth.

      • moonraker45 5 years ago

        you should look in to the truth before you believe the hype that he actually through a ball at a fan on purpose to cause injury. Unless you enjoy believing everything you hear

        • David X 5 years ago

          I didn’t use the words “on purpose.” You did. Nice try, though.

          • moonraker45 5 years ago

            “and running into a catcher who wasn’t blocking the plate (twice, STL’s Anderson and FLA’s Hayes), along with throwing a ball into the stands and injuring a fan?” You meant it in a manner to show how much ‘trouble’ this guy is, when clearly that incident was an unfortunate accident, not to be mentioned with him running catchers when there is no need to. nice try though

          • David X 5 years ago

            Yeah, I guess that seven-game suspension was all for nothing then. Sheesh.

          • moonraker45 5 years ago

            oh and the mlb office always has it right.. also has it been served? or are they still looking in to it??

          • David X 5 years ago

            Suspensions come after investigations have been done, generally. That’s how a system of justice works. Morgan and his people are appealing it, and depending on what kind of mood Bob Watson or whoever the MLB schoolmarm is these days, it may get reduced. I think they almost always are reduced, actually. The exception may be in a pattern of behavior. Like this one. But if it gets reduced to five or three, go ahead and throw a parade.

            The guy is clearly immature. And angry. That’s okay. A lot of people are. He just needs to turn it around, and fast.

          • johnsilver 5 years ago

            I watched the entire game with the Fish incident and can lend a bit here.. You go out and steal *2* bases when a team has a 10 run lead like Morgan did and you are gonna get drilled. the 1st time Morgan got hit was for injuring the catcher, 2nd time was for showing up the Fish with the 2 uncalled for stolen bases, tho the Pirates ended up losing anyway.

            Not to mention the childish way he screamed at the fans during his exist with his arms raised that may not have been shown on MLB, not sure if it was or not.

            If a suspension was unwarranted, it was Gabby Sanchez and the nice clothesline he threw at Morgan when he charged the mound and put him flat on his back, for doing nothing but defending his pitcher.

            Morgan should have been suspended far longer than just 8 games, especially when he was already under appeal for yet another childish outburst already.

      • It was only once. Anderson was not blocking the plate – Morgan missed the plate and was out after clipping Anderson. The Hayes play was questionable. Lots of players run into the catcher; lots of players slide. Hayes had the ball, was on the plate, and held on for the out. That said, if Morgan hadn’t run into Anderson, little would have been made out of the Hayes play. But, having gone out of his way to get Anderson and then running over Morgan only 2 games apart – the Marlins had a reasonable position that Morgan was going after catchers.

        Morgan did throw a ball into the stands which is against MLB rules. Yes, many players do it. But Morgan did it and struck a fan who wasn’t looking.

        And then Morgan steals 2 bases after getting HBP’d by Volstad. That’s baseball justice for Morgan. He didn’t take his medicine and stole 2 ill-advised bases while down 10 runs to pad his own stats. Think of it this way, how mad are you if Morgan is on your team and he gets thrown out down 10+ runs? That’s why he shouldn’t have been running.

      • It was only once. Anderson was not blocking the plate – Morgan missed the plate and was out after clipping Anderson. The Hayes play was questionable. Lots of players run into the catcher; lots of players slide. Hayes had the ball, was on the plate, and held on for the out. That said, if Morgan hadn’t run into Anderson, little would have been made out of the Hayes play. But, having gone out of his way to get Anderson and then running over Morgan only 2 games apart – the Marlins had a reasonable position that Morgan was going after catchers.

        Morgan did throw a ball into the stands which is against MLB rules. Yes, many players do it. But Morgan did it and struck a fan who wasn’t looking.

        And then Morgan steals 2 bases after getting HBP’d by Volstad. That’s baseball justice for Morgan. He didn’t take his medicine and stole 2 ill-advised bases while down 10 runs to pad his own stats. Think of it this way, how mad are you if Morgan is on your team and he gets thrown out down 10+ runs? That’s why he shouldn’t have been running.

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