Blue Jays Have Inquired On Greinke, Gordon

The Blue Jays have inquired about the availability of Zack Greinke and Alex Gordon, according to Bob Elliott of the Toronto Sun. As Jayson Stark of ESPN.com reported yesterday, the Royals are looking for multiple top prospects for Greinke.

The Blue Jays have Shaun Marcum, Brandon Morrow, Ricky Romero, Brett Cecil and Kyle Drabek pencilled in to their 2011 rotation. They could either let Drabek begin the year in the minors or trade a starter of their own if they acquired Greinke.

Gordon could play first or third for the Blue Jays, but it’s unlikely that he would patrol the outfield, where Travis Snider, Vernon Wells and Jose Bautista figure to get most of the playing time.

It’s not surprising to hear that the Blue Jays inquired on Greinke, a former Cy Young Award winner, and Gordon, a former first rounder who has always destroyed minor league pitching, but it doesn’t mean that GM Alex Anthopoulos will make the Royals a serious offer. 


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ATLBraves95
4 years 9 months ago

lol.

Zuidvogels
4 years 9 months ago

Not exactly familiar with the Blue Jays farm system. But do they have enough high end talent to pull that off?

And why would Grienke want to pitch in the AL East if it’s not for Boston or NY? Would it not be as stressful or even more so being the opposing SP in those Stadiums? That and you get to run the gauntlet against two of the biggest spending teams in the sport along with one of the smartest and most well run organizations just to get a shot at the playoffs. If Grienke wants to be on a low key team that will never win he should just stay in KC.

4 years 9 months ago

I suspect Grienke would have absolutely no problem *pitching* in the AL East, or for the Red Sox or Yankees. When he’s on the mound, he’s in control, it’s his game. The major concern with him going to one of the big media markets is the handling of the media and the scrutiny he would be under in all aspects of his life. This is all my supposition, of course, I could be wrong.

As far as the Jays never winning, I hope you will eat your words before long :).

4 years 9 months ago

The Blue Jays lead all MLB in homeruns last season… one might think Greinke would enjoy having that kind of run support, something he didn’t see much of in Kansas City.

4 years 9 months ago

In 2009 he pitched against, I think, Halladay at the dome and gave up at least 3 HR and 6 runs. To that point in the season (June?) he had given up 1HR.
Hitter’s park cuts both ways.

4 years 9 months ago

after looking; it was in fact in June (5)- but only 2HR, AND the first 2 he had surrendered all year.
Also, he could ask Halladay about the Jay’s “run support” lol – seems to show up at the least effective times.

moonraker45
4 years 9 months ago

I was at that game. .It was Romero who pitched but It was an intense game as I recall, packed house as doc and zack both were front runners for the cy young at that point. . Zack didn’t pitch poorly, but you could tell the jays we’re doing it for the doc.

As for run support.. Doc always runs in to problems with run support as you saw for half the season with the phils.. I think that players see his effort and passion and get a bit intimidated and try to do too much and end up giving him no support as a direct result. If you ask Marcum, Cecil, Morrow and Romero they were pretty happy with their run support, not as happy with the bullpen though.

Zuidvogels
4 years 9 months ago

Wahoo lead the league in Home Runs!!! What exactly did that get them? 4th place? Toronto has one of if not the hardest gauntlet’s to go through in all of baseball. Can they make the playoffs? Yes they could. But it is unlikely they topple all 3 in any given year.

Mick_In_Ithaca
4 years 9 months ago

Topple all 3? I wouldn’t be surprised if the Rays slip back now that they’re losing 3 key players. Why do you assume the Rays will always be contenders? I expect the Yankees will slip too, with those 2 statues they’ve got on the left side of the infield, and who will be there for a long long time. The Blue Jays are going about their business. They are stockpiling arms. Expect to see the emergence of Snider and Morrow as top players in 2011. I’m not saying they’ll win in 2011, but I will say that they will become contenders soon, and remain so for a good while.

moonraker45
4 years 9 months ago

on a low key team that will never win.85 wins last year despite a top starter being shut down and an senile manager who kept his best hitter on the bench for the likes of fred lewis not to mention the fact that brian tallet came in to games.also, a low key team that set attendance records in the early 90’s.. first team to 4 million fans, no big deal.I suggest that if you want to make posts you perhaps take the time to learn a thing or two, but then again you did openly admit to being ignorant.

Zuidvogels
4 years 9 months ago

Your bringing up something they accomplished 20 years ago and have never come close to duplicating since? Toronto has done 0 since the days of Roberto Alomar and Joe Carter. They had the best pitcher of this generation and still couldn’t keep their heads above water. Until they prove they can compete with the other three on a regular basis, I see now reason why I should believe they can. If that makes me ignorant then so be it. Keep your fingers crossed for that exception to the rule season.

Mick_In_Ithaca
4 years 9 months ago

Yeah, it makes you ignorant. So be it.

4 years 9 months ago

I think the Jays have to depth pitching wise to make this happen. They also have an overflow in the outfield. I’d be even willing to deal Travis Snider to Kansas if it meant getting a pitcher as awesome as Greinke on our staff. Package him with two good pitching prospects from the minors who are ready to try out for the bigs and I think Kansas will bite.

Steelslayer
4 years 9 months ago

I don’t include Snider. If thats KC starting point I don’t want it. Grienke is good yes and he won a Cy young, but pitching in the AL east is a different than the central. Even then he has been somewhat inconsistent from year to year and he is coming with a price tag on the back end of his contract. I like him and would love to see them get him, but I don’t think Snider has been really given the opportunity to see what he could be yet and don’t want to risk losing him. Pony up some others, not Snider

4 years 9 months ago

I would do a deal for Greinke with Snider at the centre in a heartbeat – and I think he’s terrific!
I agree, however, that other teams are likely to have a “show me” attitude with Snider, and so he (right now) looks like a “buy low” candidate himself, which apparently, is not what the Royals are looking for in a ZG deal.

TheodoreRoosevelt
4 years 9 months ago

Snider? Really?

I’d be more sympathetic to that idea if the Jays were seriously deficient in pitching, but they actually have an abundance.

As good as Grienke is, I’m not sure that he’s a dead-cert upgrade like Halladay, Lee, or Lincecum would be. I’m more than happy with Marcum, Morrow, Romero, Cecil, and Drabek for now, especially considering that all of them (bar Marcum) are yet to reach their ceilings.

The Jays should be trading pitching for bats, not the other way around. So for me, Gordon is a far more interesting idea…

moonraker45
4 years 9 months ago

you’re high out of your mind if you would consider moving travis snider for anyone not named trout or stanton. Realistically the best thing the jays can do is leave their rotation alone for now, let drabek develop, see what you have with morrow and maybe things get figured out on their own with out giving up anything. If no one surfaces as a top of the rotation starter, then and only then do you go searching.

4 years 9 months ago

I would not trade YEARS of our best hitter going forward for 2 years of Zack Grienke. I would not trade Snider straight-up for Zack Grienke. That’s how good I think Snider will be. He’s only 22!

moonraker45
4 years 9 months ago

I agree!

Sniderlover
4 years 9 months ago

Let’s just make it clear that Snider is not getting traded, especially not for Grienke. Good pitcher but I wouldn’t move Snider at all.

Mick_In_Ithaca
4 years 9 months ago

Greinke was an AVERAGE pitcher last year. Not awesome. Average. There’s no way this deal is happening. The Blue Jays aren’t in any position to pay this kind of money plus give up good players (and certainly not Snider or Drabek) to get this pitcher, whom they don’t need.

I can see how they might be interested in Gordon. Maybe they’re interested in being the 3rd team in on some kind of deal for Greinke if one is made. But please . . .

eviola1
4 years 9 months ago

You don’t know anything about the Jays’ capabilities if you think they aren’t willing to pay that kind of money. ROGERS has said that as soon as they are asked to up the payroll by AA they’ll do it. You don’t know what you’re talking about.

moonraker45
4 years 9 months ago

its not about the money, its the prospects that you have to give up.

Mick_In_Ithaca
4 years 9 months ago

Well, unlike you (apparently) I do pay attention to what AA says, and what he’s said lately doesn’t indicate to me that now is the critical time to pay dearly (in prospects and dollars) for 2 years of a pitcher coming off a relatively poor season. We are all in the dark here. I merely put forward what I take to be a logical interpretation of the “news” that the Blue Jays have “inquired” about Greinke and Gordon. To me, it would be illogical for them to trade for Greinke at this point (unless they could get him for prospects that are not already on the major league roster, and if KC is willing to pay part of the money due to him, both of which seem unlikely) since they have already a very good starting staff, with several high ceiling prospects in the minors. They also have serious needs in other areas, eg. bullpen, 3rd base, 1st base, etc. I’d much rather see them go there via trades than go after a starting pitcher at this point. And that’s what I think they’ll do, since that’s what AA has said he’ll do.

Are they ready to contend this year? It’s very doubtful that the Jays front office is thinking so. If they get to July and are in a good position, then that’s different.So, telling me I don’t know what I’m talking about, given your rather limited argument as to why, is stupid.

gs01
4 years 9 months ago

Not sure why they are interested in Gordon, that guy hasn’t even shown any signs that he’s got it figured out yet.

Steelslayer
4 years 9 months ago

Potential is there…and maybe a change of scenery could work for him

4 years 9 months ago

Alex Anthopoulos has repeatedly said that he goes for the highest ceiling players, which means they have to target them before they reach their potential and take risks. Alex Gordon fits in perfectly with that philosophy, and fills a position of need (3B, OBP) with the team.

moonraker45
4 years 9 months ago

I’m just waiting for the Brandon Wood Experiment, we all see it coming Alex.

4 years 9 months ago

Alex is smarter than you think. Brandon Wood is a bonafide bust.

moonraker45
4 years 9 months ago

isn’t that what people said about Morrow?

Sniderlover
4 years 9 months ago

He could still pitch out of the pen so I don’t see how he was a bust even if he didn’t make it as a starter. Mariners were a whack organization that never gave him the chance to blossom as a starter. Wood did get his chance last year and miserably failed.

moonraker45
4 years 9 months ago

Morrow was still considered a bust by many mariners fans, he was a high draft pick and was taking infront of a lot of players who developed and excelled much quicker then him.

a 5th overall draft pick is a bust if they end up in the bullpen

Sniderlover
4 years 9 months ago

He was also never given the full opportunity to pitch as a starter full-time. Wood had a starting job at 3rd, sucked miserably and failed.

However, I still think Wood could become a decent player with a change in scenery but he’ll never be considered the same player he was in the minors.

4 years 9 months ago

“a 5th overall draft pick is a bust if they end up in the bullpen”

a simple look at the history of #5 picks would suggest that being a career major leaguer is pretty good, no matter where they play.

4 years 9 months ago

Uhhh… no?

moonraker45
4 years 9 months ago

in seattle they did!

4 years 9 months ago

He hasn’t exactly had a world of opportunity at the major league level.

Sniderlover
4 years 9 months ago

I agree and it might be a change in scenary thing. He was good when he first came up and his bat has potential and he is still young. So it is possible for him to turn it around, Bautista certainly did and he was older.

moonraker45
4 years 9 months ago

In all honesty don’t do it, I like Grienke and the team needs an ace but any trade is going to have to involve Drabek or Snider, and at this point I’m just not willing to see them go.

If you could do a deal with out them, then perhaps, but that would mean KC is being generous. I could live with a Stewart, Arencibia, Cecil deal, but i just don’t see the Royals accepting. It would have to start with Drabek. Him for the next 6 years is worth more then Grienke the next 2.

Bombastic_Dave
4 years 9 months ago

It seems to me that with AA it would really come down to how the conversation goes. KC clearly wants to rebuild young, trading Greinke’s current value against future value. If they openly recognize this, Drabek’s value goes up. So do a bunch of our other minor league players including Gose and Arencibia or any of the multitude of newly-signed prospects.

If AA believes the impact of Greinke may result in contention for those two years while not compromising the current major league lineup (i.e. Snider or the Big Four), I think he’d have to trade.

moonraker45
4 years 9 months ago

I agree, but i think Grienke on the Jays doesn’t make them a world series contender… and AA has stressed continued success, not a flash in the pan.

Bombastic_Dave
4 years 9 months ago

His inquiring and considering grabbing him demonstrates AA may not believe he’s a flash in the pan.

moonraker45
4 years 9 months ago

oh no no, i didnt mean grienke was a flash in the pan, i meant the teams success would not be sustained after trading controllable prospects like snider and drabek.

The jays farm has some nice pieces, but has no depth. You can’t ‘go for it’ because realistically next year if bautista goes down, or wells gets hurt or decides he doesnt wanna try, theres no one formidable to replace them. The farm needs to be left alone to grow.

Bombastic_Dave
4 years 9 months ago

You and Stark below are probably right. AA seems to be playing the game several moves ahead and my optimism says it’s possible that he sees it as being a step to making the Jays a perennial contender.

I dunno — Greinke has a great year or two, the Jays resign him to a four year contract, get a bevvy of other players who become superstars and the Jays amass 105 wins and sweep Philly in the WS.

Lalallalalaa….

johnnyfad
4 years 9 months ago

The Jays farm systems is one of the deeper systems in the game. And thats not just my opinion thats the opinion of most prospect experts and followers

moonraker45
4 years 9 months ago

Deep in catching and pitching prospects and lower level A prospects

They are definetely outside the top 10 farm systems

our position player depth is absolutely pathetic.

johnnyfad
4 years 9 months ago

Actually most experts put them in the top 10 farm systems rather easily with some rating them as high as 4th or 5th. Its true though that a lot of their depth is pitching and catching and lower minors. They definitely could afford to trade some pitching for positional players though.

moonraker45
4 years 9 months ago

Give me links because i have seen any experts rank them lower then 14th

johnnyfad
4 years 9 months ago

I don’t have links off hand but I will look. Most final rankings have not been done. I know Nathan Rode from BA stated in the BJ top ten chat that the system would rank anywhere from 5th to 15th. And I seem to recall other chats I have read placing them in top 10. If i find anything else I will send it over, im not a BA insider so I dont have the link. But i guess my statement of most experts putting them in the top 10 is a little premature but personally i see them as top 10 easily.

4 years 9 months ago

In the BA chat where they talked about the prospects (You need an account), Nathan Rode said this:

Morris (PA): Last year, the Jays ranked 28th overall, according to the Handbook. While I realize your staff hasn’t put together your rankings for next year, would they sniff your personal Top 10? Top 5?

Nathan Rode: While I haven’t stacked …them up against the other 29 teams, I think the Jays are easily in the Top 10, for me at least. Top 5 isn’t out of the question either. The one knock against it is that while there is a lot of upside, a lot of these guys are far away from the major leagues.

johnnyfad
4 years 9 months ago

Thanks. I had just got the info second hand so this is good. And we can expect another good haul of prospects for the BJ’s in the 2011 draft

4 years 9 months ago

It was interesting to see that Hechevarria and Cardona, the two big international signings, didn’t make their top 10.

Sniderlover
4 years 9 months ago

I believe he also compared them to Royals system last year where the talent was there but guys were away from the big league and after this year its one the best farm in the league.

4 years 9 months ago

Dan (D.C): Hmmm, you certainly know more about it than I do, but I was surprised to see you describe the Jays as a top 5-10 system. Is there just THAT much depth? I don’t see a lot of star power behind Drabek.

Nathan Rode: I do think so. There is a lot of depth and it goes well beyond Marisnick at No. 10. You’ll have to get the Prospect Handbook to see for yourself. Like I said the big thing with this system is there a lot of upside, but it’s far away. But look at the Royals. They are a candidate to be the top system in baseball. But at this time last year, many of their guys hadn’t played above High A. Now a bunch of them proved it Double-A and the system looks a lot better. I think the Jays are a Top 10 system, but I don’t have the final say. If they ended up 10-15, I don’t think I’d be terribly upset. But there’s also some good college guys with polish on this list that could easily find themselves finishing 2011 in Double-A.

4 years 9 months ago

Moonraker’s point was not that Grienke is a flash in the pan, but rather that mortaging future development for a two year playoff push does not fit the “continued success” model that AA’s been preaching. The biggest problem with acquiring Grienke for a Drabek-centred deal is the length of team control. It is just not obvious at this point that even with Grienke the Jays are ready to regularly contend in the East before ’13.

4 years 9 months ago

Then again AA might just be applying the same due diligence method as was used in the manager search. In fact, we will likely hear the Jays inquiring about a plethora of players this off season. Most of these rumours will go nowhere.

moonraker45
4 years 9 months ago

K how about this trade

To Toronto: Gordan & Grienke

To KC: Rzepcynski, Litsch, Stewart, Hill (Shawn), Richmond, Stewart, Mills

Instead of giving them high end talent, overcompensate with an abundance of major league arms.

4 years 9 months ago

Yeah, don’t see that happening. As much as I appreciate the lengths you will go to, including cloning Zach Stewart, but if we have that capability aren’t we better off just cloning Bautista and Romero?

moonraker45
4 years 9 months ago

lol I know, it was just a joke, I just really really hope AA doesn’t give away Drabek or Snider. thats all

4 years 9 months ago

I hear ya. I’m so pumped to see Snider get regular playing time for a full season. I think he is going to surprise some people around the league. Should we try for some optimistic projections? Think he cracks 25 or 30 bombs?

moonraker45
4 years 9 months ago

Well realistically, after a spotty year where he would play one game and sit the next 2 he still hit 14 dingers in 300 AB’s if you project that to a full season you’re looking at mid to high 20’s…thats after his terrible start, hitting lead off, and being jerked around by cito…

I think a modest projection is 30 bombs, i really think this kid is going to be a terror.

Sniderlover
4 years 9 months ago

Probably could have had around there if he played full season so there is plenty of reasons to be optimistic. But watch out, if he breaks out, it wouldn’t surprise me if he hit 35-40.

TheBunk
4 years 9 months ago

Shawn Hill, Brad Mills, Jesse Litsch(at this point) and Scott Richmond don’t have real trade value. This package is offensive.

4 years 9 months ago

Relax. I think he was being facetious.

moonraker45
4 years 9 months ago

that was the point

eviola1
4 years 9 months ago

I love how people think doing MLB trades in reality is as simple as Fantasy baseball.

moonraker45
4 years 9 months ago

i love how people think they are so smart but cant even recognize sarcasm!

mikeclyne
4 years 9 months ago

Baustista, Drabek, Carlos Perez and a low level P prospect for Gordon and Grienke?

4 years 9 months ago

Not enough, considering Bautista is 1 year from FA and does not really help them in their efforts to rebuild/get younger.

Guest
4 years 9 months ago

The Jay’s do make for an interesting match. This Grienke thing is a bit of a head scratcher to be honest. Dominant stuff, young, relatively cheap, however based on reports, may not have the character for many teams. That said, there are only a handful of teams that make sense (Nationals, Orioles, ??) however these are lateral moves and I don’t think either team competes next season, maybe 2012, but so can the Royals at that point. I mean who else out there really works and has the pieces to pull this off? If I had to bet $100, I’d say Grienke winds up staying in Kansas. I just don’t see it any other way. Basically, the Jays really can make a run at this guy and do it on their terms probably.

picked_u_off
4 years 9 months ago

I’d bet you $100 Greinke doesn’t stay in Kansas!! The Royals play in Missouri.

Jaysfan724
4 years 9 months ago

That’s why they are called the Kansas City Royals, not Kansas Royals. Cool geography bro!

myname_989
4 years 9 months ago

I think I understand the thinking behind this. The Jays young pitching would really benefit from a veteran starter at the helm, but I’m not so sure Zack Greinke is your guy. He doesn’t seem like the “leadership” type of guy that would really make sense as an ace in Toronto, so I don’t think it’s worth moving two or three valuable pieces for two years of Greinke, when in a year, guys like Chris Carpenter and Mark Buehrle hit the market. Those are two guys that could really help a young staff.

blurnandez
4 years 9 months ago

The Jays already do have their veteran leader of the staff: Shaun Marcum.

myname_989
4 years 9 months ago

You look in the wrong spot once, and people are ready to throw you to the wolves, sheesh. >.>

lococanuck
4 years 9 months ago

Actually, 95 but you were close.

myname_989
4 years 9 months ago

Woops. Looking at the wrong colum.

lococanuck
4 years 9 months ago

Actually 95 starts, but you were close.

myname_989
4 years 9 months ago

And even in 95 starts, he’s never thrown over 200 innings in his career, has had injury concerns, and came close to having 200 innings once, in 2010. (195 IP). He’s a good pitcher, but an added veteran could only help.

blurnandez
4 years 9 months ago

What does number of career starts have to do with leadership skills?
I’m assuming that because you’re a Phils fan, you wouldn’t know that Marcum is both a leader in the clubhouse and the rotation. So it’s all good.

Anyway, he has 95 career starts. Not sure where you pulled your number from.

myname_989
4 years 9 months ago

Yeah, I was typing too fast without proofreading and pulled the number from the wrong colum. No doubt, I think that Mamrcum is a good pitcher, and I don’t doubt that you hear from the Toronto media that he is a “good clubhouse guy” and what not, but the benefit of a guy with the experience of Mark Buehrle or Chris Carpenter, etc., would far outweigh the benefits of a Zack Greinke (for his own reasons), or a Shaun Marcum. Don’t see why you’d be so against adding one of those guys.

moonraker45
4 years 9 months ago

I do agree with you that the jays need a front of the rotation starter.. you cant go in to the playoffs against CC, Lester, Price without a top guy… but i think the 2 guys you mentioned aren’t good examplesChances are Carpenter wouldn’t want to come back to Toronto, and at this point Buehrle isn’t good enough to make the jays rotation lolbut i get what you’re saying, just bad examples.

myname_989
4 years 9 months ago

I was thinking the same thing, but there aren’t many frontline starters available in upcoming years. Oswalt was another guy, but word has it he’s been considering retirement. The trade market seems to be the place to go for these type of pitchers, and I can’t imagine many that would be dealt that fit Toronto’s need.

moonraker45
4 years 9 months ago

Ya FA markets are thin these days, but the trade route should be the way to explore. Especially with all the international signings and extra draft picks, the jays farm should be stocked soon enough to make a trading for an ace easier..

Mick_In_Ithaca
4 years 9 months ago

I don’t think the Jays would go after either of the guys you mention on a long term contract basis. Maybe as a trade toward the deadline if they’re in contention.

I don’t get why people haven’t any confidence that one of the Jays current starters will become the ace to rival Lester, Price, CC, etc. in the AL East, especially now with Farrell as manager. I think it will be Morrow, but it could be Drabek, it could be Stewart, it could even be Romero.

They’re not going to be there in 2011, but they’ll be getting close. There are still other issues to be resolved: bullpen, offensive improvement. It ain’t all gonna happen at once. But they are moving in the right direction, and I expect another year of exceptional improvement from the starters. I don’t think there’s any desperation at this point to add a “number one” starter, and I certainly don’t think they’re likely to sign one (like Carpenter) coming off free agency at age 36.

myname_989
4 years 9 months ago

God no, I wasn’t talking about a long term deal. Lol. It’s not that I don’t have any faith in the Blue Jays starting rotation, it’s just that I think a veteran, like the two guys I named above, or one not named, would pay them great dividends. Even if said pitcher is a number two, and maybe not an “ace,” the experience he’d provide in a young clubhouse (from a pitching standpoint) would be worth it. Some things just can’t be learned on your own.

John Meloche
4 years 9 months ago

Marcum has 95 career starts… with a Career 3.85 ERA… and he was the pitching staff leader last year… its easy to forget that Marcum has always been a good pitcher and would probably have a big contract by now if had not been the injury that left him our for 2009

moonraker45
4 years 9 months ago

He had 31 starts this year, he’s not a rookie lol

myname_989
4 years 9 months ago

Honestly, I got it when the first three guys said it. =__=

moonraker45
4 years 9 months ago

lol, we all said it at the same time

myname_989
4 years 9 months ago

You did not! Hahahaha

baseballz
4 years 9 months ago

Greinke is great and all, I just don’t see him as being the ace toronto needs. I think the other commenter had it when he said pitching in the east is different than the central. Gordon though is still under control for a while and I would love to see what he could do given the chance. I’d take him over E5. Also, the higher obp would ne nice.

jwredsox
4 years 9 months ago

What kind of Ace does Toronto need then?

moonraker45
4 years 9 months ago

A doctor or a king.

baseballz
4 years 9 months ago

Zing ! Greinke’s got loads of talent, but so do all our pitchers at this point. I’d rather have a more vet guy like an Oswalt, Becket, or as Raker says a doctor or a King. The situation of Greinke and whoever was called up from AAA in Kansas would be a lot different than Greinke leading the guys we have here in Toronto. I could just see a Lackey like regression when he has to face the Yankees and the Rays more often then he had to over in the central. Toronto needs an Ace who we know wouldn’t have a problem with that type of transition.

moonraker45
4 years 9 months ago

I’m all about JJ, marlins gotta trade him eventually.

moonraker45
4 years 9 months ago

Another thing overlooked is the fragile Jays fanbase, ask Vernon Wells or Lyle Overbay how supporting the fanbase is when a player is struggling.. Not that other fan bases don’t turn on their own players, but Toronto fans especially have a passion for booing players who are under performing.

HerbertAnchovy
4 years 9 months ago

Don’t count me in on booing players, I think it’s revolting.

Bombastic_Dave
4 years 9 months ago

Only in baseball, it seems.

But they also have a passion for going bananas for players that succeed. Being at games for Arencibia’s debut and Bautista’s 51st and 52nd homers was pretty insane.

HerbertAnchovy
4 years 9 months ago

I was also at Arenicibia’s debut. That was one of the most exciting games and great atmosphere I’ve ever witnessed.

moonraker45
4 years 9 months ago

I went to Morrows near no hitter, it was bitter sweet i was so upset afterwards

but realitically the raptors sucks, the leafs suck more, no one cares about the argos or the rock, bills suck…

The toronto fan base is starved for a competitive team. The dome could be the place it once was if the team can atleast hang in until the end, get in to a wild card chase.

HerbertAnchovy
4 years 9 months ago

Yeah, unfortunately, The Raptors really do suck right now. Six game losing streak? Ouch.

Sniderlover
4 years 9 months ago

Heh yeah in baseball and maybe the Raptors.

Leafs, however, have deserved to be boo’ed.

This was one hell of a season, so many exciting stuff, too bad I never got to actually see it but it was great.

Bombastic_Dave
4 years 9 months ago

Let’s not forget that AA is not shopping for people with accomplishments. He’s picking up people with, as they say, high ceilings. He, his expensive scouting staff and Pappy Walton might see something in Greinke to improve.

And with the more-or-less tight defense behind him, a manager who helps his team win and a lineup capable of slugging the most homeruns in a season ever outside of the steroid era, he might be able to get some good numbers, if not improve the team’s chances of contention.

He might not be a leader in the rotation. But he’ll have good things to say from his experience pitching-wise, and Romero and Marcum “lead” as much as a team needs. I’m sure they’d welcome Greinke into their shenanigans just fine.

And if he brings in more wins and throws the way he’s thrown before, the fanbase will love him.

rbeezy
4 years 9 months ago

Can’t see AA tossing in all the chips for Grienke. Doesn’t work with his plan. Gordon could be a real possibility.

jwredsox
4 years 9 months ago

I would trade Drabek for Greinke but I’m not as high on Drabek as others. He certainly has ace upside but I don’t know if he ever reaches it, I could see him being a 2-3 guy. If you have a chance to get a legitimate ace you have to willing to take the chance and go for it. Obviously Drabek and Snider is overpay but I want proven over unproven.

4 years 9 months ago

For two years vs. six years? Or are you assuming you will be able to resign him? I would rather take high ceiling + team control + relative cost certainty.

SneakyLongBalls
4 years 9 months ago

I can see the Jays getting both Gordon AND Greinke.
Gordon can get back to playing 3rd, let him work things out there.
Then if they wanted too, flip Greinke to some the the teams that lost out on the Lee sweepstakes.
Greinke’s value would go up once Lee is off the market.

moonraker45
4 years 9 months ago

He has a no trade clause and most of the teams in on the Lee sweepstakes are big market teams that he can veto.

picked_u_off
4 years 9 months ago

Just FYI from a guy who has watched Gordon play hundreds of games from the minors to majors … he’s a MUCH BETTER outfielder than a third baseman. I saw him make some nice plays in the minors at third and thought he could stick there, but he seemed to regress once he reached the big leagues. He looks, potentially, like a very solid defender in left field, however.

rzepczynski
4 years 9 months ago

don’t worry the jay’s got butterfield

Tko11
4 years 9 months ago

The Blue Jays have a great rotation already and they are most likely only going to get better. I see no reason why they would want Greinke. Didn’t Greinke say a few days ago that he would decline any trade to the east coast teams anyway?

picked_u_off
4 years 9 months ago

The east coast teams he doesn’t want to play for are teams like New York and Boston. He would loooove to play for Tampa and I’d bet he wouldn’t mind playing in Toronto. He’s good friends with John Buck, so I’m sure he’d get some input from him about everything beforehand.

4 years 9 months ago

Is it really worth it for the Jays to trade Drabek + Stewart + more for Grienke? I’d rather take 6 years of Drabek and Stewart to 2 of Grienke I think. Oh and I wouldn’t trade Travis Snider. He is going to be an absolute monster and best hitter on the Jays.. very soon.

4 years 9 months ago

Also, this doesn’t jive with AA’s philosophy for the team at all. He wants to win perennially not just for the next two years. I can see him getting Grienke and then flipping him to another team either now or at the trading deadline next season.

moonraker45
4 years 9 months ago

I’d do the deal IF KC didnt demand Drabek or SniderI’d do a Cecil, Arencbia, Stewart, Rzep for Gordon/Grienkebut imo royals dont bite

4 years 9 months ago

Wouldn’t do that either. Cecil is an AL East destroyer.

moonraker45
4 years 9 months ago

I suppose, but you have to give up to get something. And no way does KC do a trade without a pretty good pitcher coming back.

I would take the chance and sell high on cecil

picked_u_off
4 years 9 months ago

Again, I agree with you moonraker. If you want a young guy with dominant (at times) stuff, then you will have to give up something. There’s just no way a bunch of mid-level guys will get it done. Trades like this always puts a dent in the acquiring team’s young talent.

picked_u_off
4 years 9 months ago

I agree with you, Royals won’t bite unless Drabek/Snider or possibly both are in the deal.

TheBunk
4 years 9 months ago

I think AA is just doing his due diligence on Greinke, Gordon makes a boatload of sense however and wouldn’t cost a blue chip prospect.

bjfan
4 years 9 months ago

The Jays need to be looking for 3b,1b options with high obp’s. They need some speed not pitching. When they have those guys, then go looking for an ace. Maybe by then, this young staff will have developed even further, and they won’t need an overpaid “Ace”.

AllYourBaseAreBelongToUs
4 years 9 months ago

Jays fans are becoming the new Yankee fans and Red Sox fans, without the achievement to back it up. So pompous and arrogant all of the sudden.

bjfan
4 years 9 months ago

Not pompous, nor arrogant. Maybe they are just fed up with fans of the Yankees and Red Sox, talking to them about being irrelevant. Maybe they are tired of constantly being dismissed, just because they are fans of a team that hasn’t won in awhile. Maybe they are tired of being told, come back and talk to us when your team wins something. Or there is this one, third place, third place, third place. Jays fans have heard it all, a zillion times. They are fans of the Jays because that is “their” team. Finally, this team is headed in the right direction and they are excited. As far as achievement, it is coming.

Sniderlover
4 years 9 months ago

Lol okay.

TheodoreRoosevelt
4 years 9 months ago

Can you give examples of this pomposity and arrogance?

4 years 9 months ago

*looks at post history. Yeah, you’re just a Yankee troll that is worried about the Blue Jays. Don’t be such a try-hard.

Steelslayer
4 years 9 months ago

Agreed… the Yanks should start looking in the rearview mirror and reaching for the geriatrics meds