Trade Market For Right-handed Starters

It's a murky trade market for right-handed starters.  We can assume certain pitchers with burdensome contracts can be had, but the availability of the more interesting names is unknown.

Bad Contracts

Derek Lowe ($30MM through '12), A.J. Burnett ($49.5MM through '13), Daisuke Matsuzaka ($20MM through '12), Aaron Cook ($9.75MM through '11), Carlos Zambrano ($35.875MM through '12), Kenshin Kawakami ($6.667MM through '11), and Gil Meche ($12MM through '11) fill out this group.  Some contracts are worse than others, and names like Lowe and Zambrano are not necessarily on the market.

Are They Available?

We've got six interesting righties who could hit the market: Zack Greinke, Shaun MarcumJeremy Guthrie, Matt Garza, James Shields, and Jeff Niemann.  Greinke would really shake up the pitching market, though the price would be huge and he has a partial no-trade clause.  The Rays are at least six-deep in their rotation, causing many to wonder if Garza, Shields, Niemann, or at least Andy Sonnanstine could be available.  The Orioles might prefer the stability Guthrie adds, though this could be a sell-high opportunity.  Marcum is under team control for two more years; is there any good reason to flip him?

The Marlins' Ricky Nolasco could be a name to watch this summer, as could Chicago's Edwin Jackson.

Non-Tender Candidates

We mentioned Kyle Davies, Brian Bannister, Jeff Karstens, Dustin Moseley, John Maine, Sergio Mitre, and Brandon McCarthy as non-tender candidates earlier.  If a team is willing to tender a contract, we could see trades in advance of the December 2nd non-tender deadline.

Summary

The free agent market for right-handed starters is uninspiring, but names like Greinke, Garza, and Shields would spice up the landscape considerably.


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4 years 9 months ago

Everyone assumes that since the Rays have depth, that they’ll shop Garza/Sheilds. What about the Jays depth at SP? with Rzep, Drabek and Shawn Hill all capable of handling a back-of-the-rotation spot next year, doesn’t that make Marcum and/or Cecil expendable?

coachofall
4 years 9 months ago

I personally don’t put the Jays guys (even Marcum) at the same level as Garza. I see a lot of #3/4 starters on the Jays roster with no aces, see Morrow as closer to a Johnathan Sanchez as opposed to a Cain or Linc to keep with the current events. I do think there is value to acquiring one, just not at the cost it woudl probably take.

Sniderlover
4 years 9 months ago

A lot of #3/4 starters? Lol okay…

coachofall
4 years 9 months ago

look at it this way there Snider (Who I think will have an exceptional 2011 year) what Jays starter would be in the top 2 of any of the other AL East, AL West (exception of Sea), or AL Central Teams (exception maybe for KC). They are a nice staff but not a single guy who is a “top of the Rotation” guy

4 years 9 months ago

There’s no rotation in baseball that Ricky Romero wouldn’t be top 2 in. His change-up has been constantly referred to as “Johan-Santanaesque”
Brandon Morrow would have led the AL in strikeouts if he hadn’t been shut down early. Aside from a horrible April (in his first full season as a starter) his other peripherals were amazing. You will regret underestimating him.
Brett Cecil was 11-1 vs the AL east, the concensus toughest division in baseball, with an ERA under 3. He may not be top 2 on other staffs, but he would be a solid 3.

I shouldn’t have to educate you on Jays Pitchers, but it highlights how undervalued they are.

coachofall
4 years 9 months ago

i do admire a fans passion; That being said i think you may be overvlauing what you want to think as opposed to looking at it through a statistical eye. Romero, Cecil, Morrow are young guys with upside who most MLB squads would love to have. I commend the Jays for locking up Romero as someone they can build a staff around. But to say There isnt a staff Ricky Romero and his 3.75 era wouldnt be top 2 in, is showing a little more passion than thought. Hell he wouldn’t be an upgrade to the to 4 spots of the A’s rotation

SplitFingeredPujol
4 years 9 months ago

I’m not a Jays fan, so this isn’t blind passion speaking here. But you need to consider more than just ERA when comparing Jays starters to the A’s starters. Oakland has a very pitcher-friendly ballpark (their starters’ home/road splits say it all), and Oakland starters aren’t facing either the Yankees, Red Sox, or Rays in half or more of their starts.

hombrej
4 years 9 months ago

Romero is 3 in StL….

4 years 9 months ago

And Boston, and San Francisco…

Hermie13
4 years 9 months ago

Yeah, slightly exagerrating with Romero there. A few rotations where he wouldn’t be a top 2.

I do agree though, I think the Jays rotation is pretty underrated. I agree with coachofall though that the Jays do not have a legit Ace right now…

Then again, neither did the Rays in 2008 when they went to the World Series. Having a ton of #2/3 guys can win you a pennant these days.

I’m not sure this winter is the time to move pitching though if you’re the Jays. While Drabek could probably handle the backend of the rotation early on….why force it if you don’t have to?

If they did make a guy like Cecil available though….you’d get a ton of teams calling. Solid lefty who is young and cheap. I wouldn’t trade him now if I’m the Jays…but I’d hope the Indians would call on his availability if rumors abound that he’s on the block. Maybe something around Canadian-born Nick Weglarz?

Encarnacion's Parrot
4 years 9 months ago

Yeah, slightly exagerrating with Romero there. A few rotations where he wouldn’t be a top 2.

Read what he actually said this time.

He may not be top 2 on other staffs, but he would be a solid 3.

Yankees420
4 years 9 months ago

I think that you might actually want to re-read it yourself….

“There’s no rotation in baseball that Ricky Romero wouldn’t be top 2 in.”

Which prompted Hermie13’s reply.

Your quote of “He may not be top 2 on other staffs, but he would be a solid 3″ was in reference to Brett Cecil.

Encarnacion's Parrot
4 years 9 months ago

Indeed it was. I’m definitely a numpty today.

RedSoxDynasty
4 years 9 months ago

just to answer your question, no way Romero would be top 2 in Boston over Lester/Buchholz, Philly Doc/Oswalt, STL Carpenter/Wainwright or SF with Lincecum/Cain! Just saying!

Andy Mc
4 years 9 months ago

4/30

moonraker45
4 years 9 months ago

morrow’s second half of the year (after his delivery tweeks) was as good as any other ace in the league minus the obvious few.. Morrow can easily be an ace as of next year. if romero and cecil develop they can both be strong 2’s and marcum is a solid 2 already..

so if you have a bunch of bonafide #2 starters 1-5 thats a bit different then you saying the jays have a lot of #3, 4 starters on their roster.. As I see it now the jays have no number 4 on their opening day roster .

coachofall
4 years 9 months ago

again, they were 21st in MLB Starting pitching….that isn’t good. Are they young? Yes. Do they have upside? With the exception of Marcum (who is already pushing 30)? yes! Do they have a number 1 starter? No. Borderline 2’s….maybe but again the future does look bright just minus a true ace

moonraker45
4 years 9 months ago

21st in mlb starting pitching.. take the black hole that was the 5th starters position.

Rzep, Mills, TALLET, surely brought that stat down.. its an irrelevant stat for an up and coming staff.

moonraker45
4 years 9 months ago

I agree that the jays dont have a bonafide ace, theres no CC, no hernandez, no doc..But having an ace doesn’t equate to success, just ask the mariners who started with lee and king felix, or ask the jays fan who have sat by and watched doc be a master for a decade while never finishing higher then 3rd.A balanced rotation is whats necessary to achieve success.. saying the jays have a bunch of 3/4 starters is a massive under appreciation of the talent.Point and Case2009- Doc- 17 wins, Romero-13, Tallet 7, Richmond 8, Rzep 2 = 75 wins (total)2010- Romero-14, Marcum- 13, Cecil -15, Morrow-10, Rzep 4 = 85 wins.So yes we lost a bonafide ace, but the different is our 3rd, 4th and 5th starters had improved big time

gursk1989
4 years 9 months ago

Just saying, I think the Jays were second in 2005

moonraker45
4 years 9 months ago

2006, but they were only 1 game up on boston and 8 games back of the wild card. . not exactly anything to hang your hat on. but i stand corrected.

moonraker45
4 years 9 months ago

2006, but they were only 1 game up on boston and 8 games back of the wild card. . not exactly anything to hang your hat on. but i stand corrected.

coachofall
4 years 9 months ago

Just looked it up their SP was ranked 21 in MLB this year…..that equates to a lot of above avg not top of the rotation arms

Dave_Gershman
4 years 9 months ago

So you’ve never watched the Jays play?

coachofall
4 years 9 months ago

I watch everyone play. Its one thing to watch and ignore statistical facts and watch and then compare to the true numbers. Need to do both

Sniderlover
4 years 9 months ago

Typical… Jays are always underrated.

Weren’t some geniuses predicting Jays to be like in the bottom 5th of the league and finish worst in the division?

Dave_Gershman
4 years 9 months ago

Yeah. Their system is overrated though

Sniderlover
4 years 9 months ago

Think so?

Hmm… the only really hyped prospect Jays have is Drabek, Stewart (who I guess has become overrated when AA said he is as good as Drabek), and probably Perez.

Our farm was bottom 10 so I don’t really see how it’s overrated. I’d say Stewart might be the only one but he does have the stuff to become as good as Drabek or he could be a reliever if he can’t add an average 3rd pitch.

I don’t know anyone else who would be overrated, perhaps Gose? But none of us considers him a top prospect or really anywhere near that.

4 years 9 months ago

I can’t believe how people could be so dumb as to predict a 4th place team to finish 5th! The humanity…

moonraker45
4 years 9 months ago

big difference between 62 wins then 85

Sniderlover
4 years 9 months ago

lolololololololol…. big difference between finishing bottom 5 and what we actually finished, which was 4th in the division.

Nice try though.

Sniderlover
4 years 9 months ago

I’m guessing that has nothing to do whatsoever with the fact Jays used Tallet (season ERA was 6+), Rzep who was well crap this season or the fact we had Dana freaking Eveland.Basically, the #5 starters crapped the bed unbelievably hard which is why they are ranked 21. 1-4, our starters are at worst, top 15, not to mention they are very young and guys like Morrow struggled a lot early on until he worked with the pitching coach to change his delivery and then he pretty much pitched like an ace for the rest of the season.

EDIT: Haha, how did I forget Litsch and Mills? They sucked as well.

coachofall
4 years 9 months ago

I would assume (don’t have the time to do the actualy leg work) that if you were to take the 5th starter out of most teams stats they would all improve. I would assume (again never a good idea) that the effect on the rankings would remain relative

Sniderlover
4 years 9 months ago

Most teams have their 5th starter as a guy whose ERA hovers around 6?

SplitFingeredPujol
4 years 9 months ago

Marcum and Romero likely have more value than Garza right now. They have less service time and are coming off better seasons. If I’m a GM, I’d prefer either of those guys to Garza, and likely Cecil as well (though in his case service-time would be the clear deciding factor).

coachofall
4 years 9 months ago

Marcum and Garza had statistically close season and Garza is two years younger….and has no injury history

SplitFingeredPujol
4 years 9 months ago

They were kind of close, but Marcum’s was clearly better. And yes, he has an injury history. But he’s also going to earn a fraction of what Garza will this season. This is why he – in my mind – has more value.

moonraker45
4 years 9 months ago

but marcum is cheaper.

moonraker45
4 years 9 months ago

I’d take marcum at 800 k as opposed to garza for 3.35 mil any day

Sniderlover
4 years 9 months ago

Romero: 2010 season- 3.73 ERA 3.64 FIP 3.75 XFIP (WAR 4.0)
Marcum: 2010 season – 3.64 ERA 3.74 FIP 3.90 xFIP (3.5)
Morrow: 2010 season – 4.49 ERA 3.16 FIP 3.63 xFIP (3.7)
Cecil: 2010 season – 4.22 ERA 4.03 FIP 4.32 xFIP (2.5)

Garza: 2010 season – 3.91 ERA 4.42 FIP 4.51 XFIP (WAR 1.8)

Yeah… bunch of 3/4 starters that are all better than Garza.

coachofall
4 years 9 months ago

Looks like you are ignoring a 5 year track record of a sub 3.9 era? So your Jays did it one year, there is value in this league in consistency. Lets be rationale..Morrow and Romero aren’t going to be moved, like I said before I do think they will grow into top level SP (though Morrows durability still causes me hesitation). So it comes down to Cecil or Marcum being moved. Cecil is younger than Garza but doesnt have the same track record. Marcum is older than Garza and has Health durabiltiy issues. SO Garza will recquire a greater return than both of those.

Sniderlover
4 years 9 months ago

“I personally don’t put the Jays guys (even Marcum) at the same level as Garza. I see a lot of #3/4 starters on the Jays roster with no aces”

That’s what you said earlier and that’s what I am arguing against. I just proved it to you that pretty much all those 4 guys had a better season than Garza so I fail to see how they are not on the “same level”.

Marcum durability issues are behind him and he is completely healthy and cheaper than Garza… and well better. Cecil had a solid sophmore season and made some solid improvements and I agree that Garza is worth more than him but you never know… teams wants cheap guys and considering Cecil is a lefty makes him very valuable. He had #2 starting potential and he is under control compared to Garza who is under control for a shorter period of time and is more expensive than Cecil.

moonraker45
4 years 9 months ago

sniderlover 1 coachofall 0

moonraker45
4 years 9 months ago

sniderlover 1 coachofall 0

coachofall
4 years 9 months ago

again, he is older. Not sure what you are arguing anymore. I stand by the fact that the Jays have 3/4 starter type with talent and upside to be more which has yet to be reached. Yout stated what i stated earlier, Garza will cost more becasue he is younger and has a better track record. Would Marcum and Cecil have value in the trade market? Of course they would; Just not as much as Garza (which you agreed to). I have a hard time calling a player better after ONE season. Barry Zito had better numbers than Zack Greinke THIS YEAR, doesnt mean he is better. You must consider track record, and most GM’s do this which is why Marcum and Cecil though they do have value, not the same as an established pitcher wtih a solid track record. I do realize cost matters as well. Marcum is due a significant raise, I personaly would rather have a pitcher with no injury history as opposed to one who struggled to stay healthy for a few years

Sniderlover
4 years 9 months ago

Marcum is established and was solid before the surgery and is still solid after that.

I said Cecil may be the only one that may not have as much value as Garza but even that, it’s arguable considering he is younger, has upside to become a #2 starter and dominated the AL East, he went like 11-1 or something against AL East. He is also cheaper and under control for a longer period of time.

However, all this is just opinion based. We’ll just agree-to-disagree.

Sniderlover
4 years 9 months ago

“I personally don’t put the Jays guys (even Marcum) at the same level as Garza. I see a lot of #3/4 starters on the Jays roster with no aces”

That’s what you said earlier and that’s what I am arguing against. I just proved it to you that pretty much all those 4 guys had a better season than Garza so I fail to see how they are not on the “same level”.

Marcum durability issues are behind him and he is completely healthy and cheaper than Garza… and well better. Cecil had a solid sophmore season and made some solid improvements and I agree that Garza is worth more than him but you never know… teams wants cheap guys and considering Cecil is a lefty makes him very valuable. He had #2 starting potential and he is under control compared to Garza who is under control for a shorter period of time and is more expensive than Cecil.

Encarnacion's Parrot
4 years 9 months ago

Career FIP/xFIP’s:

Morrow: 3.97/4.26 [3.16/3.63 in first full season as a starter (2010)]
Romero: 3.95/3.91
Marcum: 4.46/4.30

Garza: 4.26/4.45

It seems your argument is pointless. Garza and Marcum are very similar in what you’ll get in performance.

Also, why even compare Morrow to Cain or Lincecum? Those 2 are established, or close to it. Morrow just pitched his first full season as a starter.

Encarnacion's Parrot
4 years 9 months ago

Career FIP/xFIP’s:

Morrow: 3.97/4.26 [3.16/3.63 in first full season as a starter (2010)]
Romero: 3.95/3.91
Marcum: 4.46/4.30

Garza: 4.26/4.45

It seems your argument is pointless. Garza and Marcum are very similar in what you’ll get in performance.

Also, why even compare Morrow to Cain or Lincecum? Those 2 are established, or close to it. Morrow just pitched his first full season as a starter.

clintonde
4 years 9 months ago

there’s a difference between the quality of the Rays and Jays rotation.. back of the rotation guys you hold onto in case of injury.. middle of the rotation guys you sell high on and trade. IMO

coachofall
4 years 9 months ago

case in Point the A’s with Joe Blanton. That being said, I don’t see the Jays offering up anything with enough of an MLB track record to acquire anything of value

4 years 9 months ago

Actually had Marcum on my list, not sure where he went. May add something.

ze3
4 years 9 months ago

I really hope the Yankees will be on Greinke’s no-trade list. It’s kind of boring to read the same seemingly unending posts of ‘Greinke to the Yankees for Joba, Montero, Betancesabla bla bla’ every time his name pops out.

Roast me Yankee fans.

4 years 9 months ago

Why Roast? You’re entitled to your opinion. As a Yankees fan I’m just sitting back and waiting to see some big things happen once the WS is over. Could be a much longer process for some, but would love to see some major shakeup in our organization. Lots of things to consider, many of which are very sensitive.

4 years 9 months ago

Lowe’s contract isn’t that bad.

Dave_Gershman
4 years 9 months ago

If he played for the Warren Buffett Bombers.

4 years 9 months ago

$ 15 mil per year for two more seasons for a 4.00 ERA? I wouldn’t sign up for that bargain.

4 years 9 months ago

not saying it’s good, it’s just not THAT bad to place it first on the list of bad pitcher contracts with the likes of dice-k and AJ. Seems like more of an (dis)honorable mention type of thing.

tomymogo
4 years 9 months ago

Lowe’s contract isn’t looking that bad right now, a year ago it was awful. But the way he finished the season was really awesome.

csg
4 years 9 months ago

nope, its terrible

4 years 9 months ago

Derek Lowe’s contract at the moment doesn’t seem so bad. Without Derek Lowe the Braves miss the playoffs… Derek Lowe was great for the Braves this postseason and I think the Braves should hold on to him. However, given his postseason track record and his performance down the stretch he has more value than ever at the moment. This should be an interesting off-season for sure!

4 years 9 months ago

Derek Lowe’s contract at the moment doesn’t seem so bad. Without Derek Lowe the Braves miss the playoffs… Derek Lowe was great for the Braves this postseason and I think the Braves should hold on to him. However, given his postseason track record and his performance down the stretch he has more value than ever at the moment. This should be an interesting off-season for sure!

derekbellstutu
4 years 9 months ago

I would LOVE to see the Pirates make a run at Matt Garza. The Bucs should offer minor leaguers Jeff Locke, Diego Moreno, Robbie Grossman, and a low-A pitching prospect for Garza and Jason Bartlett. The Rays need major league ready bullpen help, so if they insist on receiving Joel Hanrahan or Evan Meek instead of Moreno in any package for Garza, then the Pirates should ask for Reid Brignac instead of Bartlett. This deal would 1) add the front-line starter the Pirates rotation needs, 2) upgrade the SS position, and 3) reinvigorate the Pirates fan base. I don’t expect the Pirates front office to make moves to excite their fans, but a deal like this would definitely fire them up. Make it happen Neal!

4 years 9 months ago

I think the Pirates going after a front of the line starter is a great idea, just not at the expense of prospects. The organization is in a state of bringing in a new line of draft and develop guys and shipping them off is not something the Pirates will consider. A guy like Kawakami is more plausible, as the Braves would likely be willing to eat half of his $6.7M contract to get rid of him. It may not be the most popular choice, but an affordable rotation fronter is what the Pirates need for 2011.

4 years 9 months ago

Kawakami a front of the rotation starter? Pirates are looking gloomy if Kawakami would lead them into 2011

Ian_Smell
4 years 9 months ago

I would love for the Pirates to get Garza. I’d like for the Pirates to get Bartlett too, but I’d rather have them sign him if he’s non-tendered then trading for him.

4 years 9 months ago

How is Kenshin Kawakami a bad contract?

Goldberg365
4 years 9 months ago

An 8-22 record and a 4.32 era for the first 2 years of it first off. I wish they would follow through with the trade back to Japan that was discussed earlier. Lowe isn’t a much better contract, but at least he can manage to win every once in a while.

4 years 9 months ago

I think $6.7 mil is pretty reasonable. Quoting win record is idiotic anyway.

Dave_Gershman
4 years 9 months ago

Since he has done nothing and is getting paid a lot of money.

4 years 9 months ago

You make it sound like he’s making AJ Burnett type money… Kawakami needs a change of scenery. Braves fans hate him, Bobby lost faith in him, and outsiders only point to his W/L record. He can be a decent 3-4-5 starter depending on the team. The Braves need to eat some of his salary and find a team that will give him a chance or eat some of his salary and find a trade partner in Japan.

4 years 9 months ago

You make it sound like he’s making AJ Burnett type money… Kawakami needs a change of scenery. Braves fans hate him, Bobby lost faith in him, and outsiders only point to his W/L record. He can be a decent 3-4-5 starter depending on the team. The Braves need to eat some of his salary and find a team that will give him a chance or eat some of his salary and find a trade partner in Japan.

inkstainedscribe
4 years 9 months ago

Cox completely lost confidence in KK and stopped using him. The Braves may indeed try to dump him to a team in Japan. If that doesn’t happen, perhaps he gets a chance under Fredi to be the #5 starter in 2011.

woadude
4 years 9 months ago

Its funny they mentioned Dice BB and not Lackey, Lackey’s contract is way worse, 10 million a year for two years? that isnt a bad contract, its a steal if he could just stop walking so many damn batters, Lackey is the equivalent to Burnett’s Deal which arguably was the worse deal up there, not to mention the Sox are going to trade Matsuzaka to Seattle, who would take Burnett? anyone want to take Lackey?

SplitFingeredPujol
4 years 9 months ago

I don’t see Edwin Jackson being traded simply because the Sox won’t get nearly as much back as they gave up to acquire him. I would not at all be shocked to see a Sox starter traded though, and my best guess is Gavin Floyd.

4 years 9 months ago

The problem with Edwin is that he’s a Boras client and he is certain to test the waters of free agency after the 2011 season. I see the Soxs holding onto Edwin and if they’re fading by the trade deadline, he’s a sure bet to be traded. When he’s on, he is a joy to watch on the mound.

SplitFingeredPujol
4 years 9 months ago

Yeah, I could see a deadline deal for sure. An offseason one would surprise me though. The Sox seem to think they fixed some mechanical flaws in Jackson, so I can see them holding onto him with hopes of increasing his value (either for a future trade, or for Type-A status when he walks).

4 years 9 months ago

Doesn’t John Lackey qualify under the “Bad Contracts” category yet? Just asking. Or how about Josh Beckett? Okay, they’re not going anywhere, but neither is AJ, nor probably Derek Lowe.
The Tigers would make Armando Galarraga available if they had a starting pitcher coming back. Add Perfecto to the list of G Men: Greinke, Garza, Guthrie, and might as well throw in Gio Gonzalez just because he plays for Oakland and you know what they do with successful pitchers.

SplitFingeredPujol
4 years 9 months ago

I wouldn’t put Galarraga in the same company as the other “G men” you mentioned, as likable as he may be. Also, Gio won’t be traded until his 2nd or 3rd year of arbitration I would expect.

4 years 9 months ago

In terms of value, no. I agree that Armando is a notch below the others, and not in the conversation with Greinke, but I’m just saying that he can be had, more likely as a player going the other way for a team looking to unload salary. He did with 13 games in 08, and I still think he’s a decent back end of the rotation guy very capable of pitching .500 ball, but he loses his aggressiveness with runners on base.

Gio would take a big haul to get right now. Beane should consider moving Cahill if another GM gives full value for his ERA numbers this year. That’s unsustainable.

4 years 9 months ago

There hasn’t been any talk whatsoever about Lackey or Beckett being available, so while their contracts may not be good for the team they aren’t going to be traded. They shouldn’t make it into a list of right-handers potentially available on the trade market.

4 years 9 months ago

There hasn’t been any talk of trading AJ Burnett, either. Put them all in the same boat. Their teams are just gonna have to eat the contracts and hope for bounce back seasons- which are not out of the question in any case.

BentoBox
4 years 9 months ago

Yeah, Lackey’s contract looks pretty bad. He was horrible in the first few months. He did get better as the season progressed.

June – 3.36 FIP
July – 3.60 FIP
August – 3.74 FIP
September – 2.87 FIP

Encarnacion's Parrot
4 years 9 months ago

Looks more like he got better once the rookies came up heh. Solid June though.

moonraker45
4 years 9 months ago

Aj Burnette and 20 million bucks to the Phils for Raul Ibanez….

4 years 9 months ago

That would have the Phils adding about 17 million to payroll over the next two years, can they really afford to do that? Not to mention creating another hole in the outfield. Even if Werth is retained (how can they keep him and bring in AJ?) and Brown takes over LF it’s not a perfect fit.

moonraker45
4 years 9 months ago

The phils would love to dump off ibanez, and keep werth

the yanks would love to dump aj.. its not a perfect solution but it makes sense

Phils hope that being around doc can provide some stability and structure to AJ’s preparation again.

YanksFanSince78
4 years 9 months ago

Yanks don’t need another OF like Ibanez and then would have to spend several millions more to replace AJ so we might as well keep AJ and hope for a turnaround. I for one don’t see AJ as a total loss. His stuff didn’t get any worse and in many ways his peropherals from 2010 are close to the same as 2010. JUst have to hope that the coaching staff can pinpoint his mechanical problems and that AJ can execute the corrections.

4 years 9 months ago

I think that Dice-K’s contract only looks bad from a purely financial perspective when you include the posting fee. Otherwise, I think that he’s still pretty reasonably in terms of cost over the next couple of years.

4 years 9 months ago

Yeah, $10 million a year for a starter isn’t that bad but you’d expect more from him. With his inconsistencies and the frustration that builds up in the fans and team over him you’d expect more. I’m guess that if he gets dealt it’s not going to be for financial reasons, rather just to get him off the team and move on.

4 years 9 months ago

How about Lowe for Zambrano? The Ricketts save $5,875,000, and the Braves probably get better. Being a Cubs fan is terrible right now.

moonraker45
4 years 9 months ago

right now? as in, there was a good time?

Encarnacion's Parrot
4 years 9 months ago

Over 100 years ago it may have been fantastic.

Encarnacion's Parrot
4 years 9 months ago

Over 100 years ago it may have been fantastic.

4 years 9 months ago

A Burnett-Zambrano swap? Both need a change of scenery and both are similar pitchers..high K’s and high BB rates..equally bad contracts..something to think about

Yankees420
4 years 9 months ago

I think the Yankees would enjoy the fact that they would be out from under Z’s contract after ’12. What do you think the specifics would look like? Just a straight swap + cash to even out the salaries?

YanksFanSince78
4 years 9 months ago

That’s an interesting idea but three things.

a) It would not shock me if AJ came back and had a good year in 2011.
b) Z, like AJ, has a no-trade clause. AJ can block 10 teams whereas Z has a full no trade. My guess is that he would use that as leverage and demand that the 2013 option of $19.25 mil be picked up as well which balloons the amount due to about $55 mil which is only $6 mil more but forces us to keep him the same amount of years as AJ’s contract.
c) AJ still has good stuff. He lost about 1 mile off of his FB but it was still around 93-94 on average. Z has lost a little on his FB too but his is down to 90 mph. Z throws more pitches (FB, CT, SF, SL and CB) but his loss in velocity makes his FB, CT and SF all come in around that 88-90mph range. If AJ can master and use his CH more then I think he has a little more to keep guys honest.

B
4 years 9 months ago

I think a lot of what went wring with Zambrano had to do with his manager. Carlos is to blame, but Piniella didn’t make things any better. Quade knows how to get the most out of him. Zambrano was a major reason for the Cubs late season turn around.

jwsox
4 years 9 months ago

with the way sale showed up this season i would be there is at least one of the 5 other starters under contract next season could be moved…peavy untouchable because of his contract and possible injury….buhrle contract…danks is way to good to be moved, floyd has too good of a contract to move for his …jackson could be moved but probably as a package with a minor leaguer or two to get a bat in the line up…..buehrle could be moved but more than likely not

CaseyBlakeDeWitt
4 years 9 months ago

I like the idea of Matsuzaka to the Dodgers

YanksFanSince78
4 years 9 months ago

I don’t want him to be traded and I don’t think he will, but Joba should garner consideration as a RH starter that might be available. He had a much better year if you look at his peripherals.

2009-2010
K/9 of 9.67 was up from 7.61
BB/9 of 2.76 was down from 4.35
HR/9 of 0.75 was down from 1.20
BABIP of .342 was up from 3.20 which might indicate he was unlucky
ERA was 4.40 but his FIP was 2.98 and xFIP was 3.34 (2010 only)
LD% of 17.2% was down from 21.3%
GB% of 45.6% went up from 42.9%
HR/FB of 7.9% was down from 12.4%
His FB velocity of 94.6 mph went up from 92.5 mph
His O-Swing% (% of pitches a batter swings at outside the strike zone) of 29% was up from 23%
His 2nd half ERA of 2.88 was much lower than the 1st half of 5.79 (2010 only)
His away numbers (ERA-WHIP-KO/BB) of 3.50/1.08/4.63 are much lower than his home of 5.30/1.51/2.69. (2010 only).

The Yanks would be selling low on him, and again I hope they don’t move him, but he would be a great buy low option for a low budget mid-market team looking for a RH young starter.

Sniderlover
4 years 9 months ago

You still think he can be a starter?

CrisE
4 years 9 months ago

If the Twins get into the trade market for a right handed hitter or a front of the rotation guy they’re likely to make a starter available. Most speculation has centered around Slowey, but the whole herd is similar enough that I suppose mostly any of them could be available in the right deal. But Slowey is the only one without a longer term deal, which might reflect how the organization feels about him, and it might make him more appealing to another team.

SplitFingeredPujol
4 years 9 months ago

I’m assuming you mean trade list? If so, this list is for RH starters.