Poll: Will Russell Martin Be Traded Today?

The Red Sox have long admired Dodgers catcher Russell Martin, notes Michael Silverman of the Boston Herald.  With tonight's non-tender deadline less than eleven hours away, there appear to be three possibilities for Martin:

  • The Dodgers could re-sign him at a minimum of $4.04MM.
  • The Dodgers could trade him.
  • The Dodgers could non-tender him and get no return.

Technically the Dodgers could tender Martin a contract and trade him later, but they might seek a quicker resolution and more certainty.  Sometimes the non-tender threat can kill a player's trade market, but in other cases it compels a suitor to make a move before the player hits the open market.  If the Red Sox would be willing to meet Martin's salary demands and the Dodgers aren't, a deal would be mutually beneficial.  Other clubs may have interest too.  What's your take?

 


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135 Comments on "Poll: Will Russell Martin Be Traded Today?"


bleedDODGERblue
4 years 8 months ago

I’ve been saying for about a week now, if not resign him make a Martin for Ellsbury trade work

JackParkman
4 years 8 months ago

well right now ellsbury is more valuable to the red sox than martin is to the dodgers, and the red sox probably know that.my guess is that, maybe a few prospects for martin? reddick + pitching prospect?

MaineSox
4 years 8 months ago

Or maybe Martin plus prospects for Ellsbury, either way could work I think.

EarlyMorningBoxscore
4 years 8 months ago

If they trade Ellsbury I feel like it would be in a deal that would bring them more of a superstar. You trade Ellsbury for Martin and you trade away a focal point of a possible Upton or A-Gon trade.

TheJoeSN
4 years 8 months ago

Agreed, there’s no way the Dodgers get an All-Star caliber player in return for Martin….they’ll be lucky to get anything in return – he’s overpaid by at least 3 million a year.

I have no idea why the Dodger fan above thinks Ellsbury is even in the conversation…the logic on this message board is very perplexing…LOL.

Dodgersarelife
4 years 8 months ago

Right now the only thing that Martin is worth is Jamie Mccourt. I know what the dodgers are bond to do! Trade Martin and Jamie Mccourt to the sox for…… Theo “Einsetein” WIfe. Horray everyone is happy, and mabye, just mabye Frank Mccourt can find a women with deep pockets. With just enough money TO WIN A SERIES.

bleedDODGERblue
4 years 8 months ago

Not necessarily. I think they pull what they did with Theriot and the small SS market, trade him to a team that wants to make sure they get him. Plus, Ellsbury reportedly wants out of Boston. So taking all this into consideration, small catching market, Ellsbury not happy, and Bostons need for a catcher, this could work out really well for both teams

MaineSox
4 years 8 months ago

Boston would just stick with Saltalamacchia behind the plate and keep Ellsbury. He never actually said he wanted out of Boston, anyone saying he does is making an assumption. He expressed frustrations with the way his injury was handled (and rightly so) but has never said he wanted out, and even if he did the Red Sox wouldn’t trade him for something near half of his worth just because he wants out, that’s not smart business and Theo doesn’t operate that way. There is talk of him being non-tendered, he isn’t worth Ellsbury by himself.

0bsessions
4 years 8 months ago

I don’t think any currently employed GM operates that way. I really can’t think of a currently employed GM who’d trade Ellsbury for a non-tender candidate. If you’re going to trade for a non-tender candidate, it’s spare parts or a long shot prospect, nothing more.

MaineSox
4 years 8 months ago

Absolutely, I only said Theo because he is the GM who applies in this scenario, but you are absolutely right.

Dodgersarelife
4 years 8 months ago

I think Ned Colleti operates that way. He just loves to trade prospects for old guys. And HE loves to sign saggy balled free agents (cough,cough…schmiddtttt,cough…..Piereeee.)

BoSoxSam
4 years 8 months ago

Sorry bud. I think Reddick + pitching is still an overpayment for Martin, and you somehow think Ellsbury will be part of it.

I think people are overestimating Boston’s “need” for a catcher, anyway. They’re clearly planning to replace V-Marts bat through other positions, like through upgrading the outfield and corner positions. And besides, the Yanks made it to the playoffs with Posada; the Rangers with Molina, the Rays with Shoppach half the time. I think the Red Sox can afford to take a gamble with Salty at catcher, with a trusted backup just in case, like Olivo or Varitek. And with the depth of moderate catching talent in their farm system, they’ve got a good number of young guys to try out there. I sure hope Boston realizes this, and doesn’t trade for a guy with an attitude and steadily declining offensive numbers.

WagsFromLB
4 years 8 months ago

I agree with everything you said about Martin except the attitude part. Where did that come from?

WagsFromLB
4 years 8 months ago

I agree with everything you said about Martin except the attitude part. Where did that come from?

redsox927
4 years 8 months ago

Dude your clearly dreaming if you think there is any shot at the Dodgers getting Ellsbury for Martin.

The guys a non tender candidate.

For instance, So it Okajima for the Sox.. The Dodgers need help in the pen.. can we get Matt Kemp for Okajima? Probably not…

I’m sometimes dream about what my team might do; but your being ridiculous. The guy was the leadoff hitter on a playoff team in 2009. He hit .300 with 70 steals that year. Last year was supposed to be a complete blowout year for him but he couldn’t stay on the field. The sox have the money for Martin, the Dodgers have spent quite a bit this offseason already and are looking to dump him. your dreaming..

What might be possible is something along the lines of

Okajima and a class A or AA position player for Martin and a couple million bucks… that’s where his value is right now. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news.

4 years 8 months ago

I understand your thought process but suggesting Martin + for Ellsbury is nowhere close to the same as Okajima for Kemp.

redsox927
4 years 8 months ago

I agree… I know it’s not the same thing, i was using it more to get my point across than as a perfect example.

That being said, I personally like Martin for the Sox. If they can get him for the right return they will have control of the player for two full seasons. Even last years injury plagued season and his offensive numbers heading in the wrong direction year after year he is still a 2 to 3 WAR player. His OBP is consistantly 100 points higher than his Batting AVG. which shows that he works the count (which the sox love). He’s going to throw out between 30 and 40 percent of the runners while playing an OK defensive catcher (on this point you will have to forgive me as on the east coast we don’t get too many dodger games, so i can’t watch him play, but the stats suggest he is at least OK Defensively) He’s 28 years. Jarrod Saltalamacchia (that’s prob not even close to the right spelling) is not a great option to go into the season as your starting catcher.

I’ll take Russell Martin over Salty as the starter. But the Sox just can’t give up anything valuable for the guy. It would be too risky.

0bsessions
4 years 8 months ago

While, as I’ve exhibited below, I’d be on board for Martin, I’d give the bulk of catching duties to Salty. He’s younger and has more time under team control. He needs MLB at bats and with the mileage on Martin, I’d rather him get liberal time off to keep him fresh.

redsox927
4 years 8 months ago

I agree… I know it’s not the same thing, i was using it more to get my point across than as a perfect example.

That being said, I personally like Martin for the Sox. If they can get him for the right return they will have control of the player for two full seasons. Even last years injury plagued season and his offensive numbers heading in the wrong direction year after year he is still a 2 to 3 WAR player. His OBP is consistantly 100 points higher than his Batting AVG. which shows that he works the count (which the sox love). He’s going to throw out between 30 and 40 percent of the runners while playing an OK defensive catcher (on this point you will have to forgive me as on the east coast we don’t get too many dodger games, so i can’t watch him play, but the stats suggest he is at least OK Defensively) He’s 28 years. Jarrod Saltalamacchia (that’s prob not even close to the right spelling) is not a great option to go into the season as your starting catcher.

I’ll take Russell Martin over Salty as the starter. But the Sox just can’t give up anything valuable for the guy. It would be too risky.

woadude
4 years 8 months ago

You wont read this because this thread is old, so I will have to repeat it again when the time is right, but Ellsbury never stated he wanted out of Boston, he was mad at the medical staff for misdiagnosing him and cost him his whole season, it wasnt the team, and the team took care of it and Ellsbury is all good, now Papelbon is a different case, he doesnt like how he never got a multi year deal.

Dodgersarelife
4 years 8 months ago

Right now the only thing that Martin is worth is Jamie Mccourt. I know what the dodgers are bond to do! Trade Martin and Jamie Mccourt to the sox for…… Theo “Einsetein” WIfe. Horray everyone is happy, and mabye, just mabye Frank Mccourt can find a women with deep pockets. With just enough money TO WIN A SERIES.

Potrzeba
4 years 8 months ago

what about something along the lines of martin and loney for Lars anderson, and josh reddick?

0bsessions
4 years 8 months ago

What use would the Sox have for a first baseman who can’t seem to top an OPS of .800 as a full time player? We would legitimately be just as well off sticking with Lowrie at third and hoping for the best.

Potrzeba
4 years 8 months ago

what about something along the lines of martin and loney for Lars anderson, and josh reddick?

thegrayrace
4 years 8 months ago

Martin + ? for Ellsbury, please.

That’d improve the Dodgers OF defense considerably (Kemp to RF, Ethier to LF) and give them a leadoff hitter… which they largely lack considering Furcal’s decline in speed.

Then sign Olivo, and upgrade at 1B (Lee, LaRoche, Pena, Berkman?) or 3B (Lopez? Wigginton?) and platoon Loney and Blake at 1B.

coup
4 years 8 months ago

I would like nothing more as a Padres fan than the Dodgers to simply waive bye-bye to this guy and get nothing in return but they can’t be that stupid.

hunteralan
4 years 8 months ago

Don’t be so sure… We are talking about Ned Colletti here…

4 years 8 months ago

As bad as Martin has been recently the Dodgers have no one better to take his position. For this reason alone they will keep him.

4 years 8 months ago

what about Carlos Santana oh wait you have Casey Blake instead, i bet Ned kicking himself for that one

4 years 8 months ago

That one hurts, Fred. :(
-A Ned Colletti hater

4 years 8 months ago

Good one. I don’t think anyone has ever come up with that one before.

coachofall
4 years 8 months ago

If he is traded on the non-tender deadline it will be for a middle reliever or a long shot prospect. It won’t be for Ellsbury. Again, if he is traded I personally would be shocked if it is for anyone in the top 15 of the RS prospect lits. If they are offering him in a trade that means they don’t want him, whether it be due to the BROKEN HIP or statistical decline. Don’t expect much

thegrayrace
4 years 8 months ago

It wouldn’t be a straight up trade, the Dodgers would clearly have to include prospects and/or salary relief.

4 years 8 months ago

And why would the Red Sox deal their leadoff hitter for prospects or salary relief? The Red Sox don’t need salary relief, and while they could get prospects to flip in a bigger deal, they have no such deal lined up. Even if they sign a Crawford or Werth, they’ll still need a CF. The only way Ellsbury gets dealt is part of a package for an Upton or Rasmus.

Quest2b1
4 years 8 months ago

I doubt they give Martin away after singling him out in Ned’s off season checklist. Could always see him tendered and then traded later.

4 years 8 months ago

Martin for Ellsbury is not a fair trade Dodgers fans….keep dreaming.

Dodgersarelife
4 years 8 months ago

Will u take Jamie Mccourt for Ellsbury….huh… NOW were talking…. How bout we throw in… how does Ned Colleti Sound…. huh…. Lets make this happen man!

BoSoxSam
4 years 8 months ago

As a Boston fan I’d be horrified to see a Martin/Ellsbury trade. I’m not sure I want him just for the price of 4 million, let alone giving up an upcoming star like Ellsbury. Martin has steadily declined every year, is nothing to write home about behind the plate, and is kind of a grump. I’d rather tough it out with Salty+backup and let some other younger guys get their shot (Lavarnway, I’m looking at you) then bring in a player like Russell Martin.

4 years 8 months ago

Uhhh Lavarnway is no where near ready…in fact the large majority of prospect sites don’t think he’ll ever become even a slightly below average major league catcher. The Red Sox have no “younger guys” capable of playing meaningful time behind the plate in 2011. The Red Sox should trade for Martin, but no one like Ellsbury. Maybe a Josh Reddick…a guy who was once a high prospect, a plus defender with a great arm and high power potential but a poor approach that doesn’t fit the Red Sox. A Reddick for Martin swap is more than fair for both sides.

Dan
4 years 8 months ago

The sox don’t really have any catching prospects that I’m particularly excited about. Let alone anyone close to being ML ready.

MaineSox
4 years 8 months ago

While I wont say that I am particularly excited about him I am entrigued by Ibarra, the Cuban defector catcher they signed last season, and can’t wait to see what he is really capable of in pro-ball.

MaineSox
4 years 8 months ago

While I wont say that I am particularly excited about him I am entrigued by Ibarra, the Cuban defector catcher they signed last season, and can’t wait to see what he is really capable of in pro-ball.

Steve_in_MA
4 years 8 months ago

Actually, we have Luis Exposito, who had an excellent offensive year at AA Portland, and made some progress defensively. No one is wild about him, but he certainly seems to have the tools to get there circa 2012. The Sox even added him to the 40-man to protect him from the Rule 5 this year.

He has an above average bat, but has struggled some behind the plate. If he can get time with Gary Tuck in the offseason and improve alot on D, then he’d be a real candidate for us.

Dodgersarelife
4 years 8 months ago

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WagsFromLB
4 years 8 months ago

Again where is the idea of Martin being a grump or having an attitude coming from? I’ve watched about every game since he’s been up and never really noticed anything and vie never come across it in articles.

BoSoxSam
4 years 8 months ago

I dunno, I guess its my personal opinion. And thanks for noting it, I probably shouldn’t mention that as a complaint if there’s no proof for it other than my own feelings about it 😛 He’s just always scowling, and the couple LAD games I saw this year, he looked really lost at the plate, and seemed to be having a lot of trouble controlling his emotions over it. But that may have just been an isolated incident. To me, he seems perpetually unhappy, and with some of the very emotional guys on the Red Sox right now, it doesn’t seem like a great fit.

BoSoxSam
4 years 8 months ago

I just mentioned Lavarnway because he recently had a pretty underrated year at the plate. I don’t really know much about him, and I know that most people have low expectations for him, I just meant that if he made more big strides like he’s done a bit of recently, he could out-perform those expectations. And I didn’t mean to insinuate we had a bunch of MLB-ready guys, I just meant that with Lavarnway, Exposito, Wagner, Federowicz, and Ibarra, we’ve got a collection of guys who all have relatively modest projections but all have the possibility of breaking out into at least a slightly above league-average catcher. And with the strength the Red Sox have (hopefully will be improving as well) across the rest of the field, that’s all they really need at catcher. I just meant that they shouldn’t try to stretch and get someone who’s a little better than what one of these guys might become, but who also has decline risks/higher salary, when they could be spending those resources improving the bullpen, signing a free agent outfielder, trading for a 1B, etc. Catcher is one position they can let go to a young guy or two, to see if someone meets the challenge. And with the plethora of young guys to -give a chance- to, if not in 2011 definitely in 2012, I think that’s the best course of action.

Just a quick, not really similar example. Pedroia was getting some rave reviews for his minor league play when he came up to Boston, but he was still rated quite low because of his size, and because his game still had a lot of rough edges. And he struggled for a while in Boston when he was first promoted. But without giving a prospect a chance at 2B, and if we had traded for a stopgap, a Russell Martin for 2B kind of player, Pedroia would have been stuck and who knows, maybe traded. Not saying its the same situation really, no catcher in the system has raw talent like he did, nor has really impressed like he did in the minors, but the basic idea of sometimes letting the young player grow is applicable, I think.

coldgoldenfalstaff
4 years 8 months ago

Who’d trade any decent assets for him when they can sign him after he’s non-tendered?

4 years 8 months ago

As I mentioned in the post, teams that would prefer to just get him and tender him than compete with everyone to sign him. Not sure if you consider Blake Hawksworth a decent asset, but the Cardinals chose to send him for Theriot rather than wait for a NT.

BlueSkyLA
4 years 8 months ago

Yes, but Theriot is not injured, so his value is known.

Zuidvogels
4 years 8 months ago

Non candidate Martin for Ellsbury? How is it Red Sox fans get shellacked on this board when they bring up questionable trade scenarios, and this guy runs free spewing verbal diarrhea over the rest of us?

Maybe I got here too soon and the whopping sticks will becoming out shortly ;-D

Quest2b1
4 years 8 months ago

I think by “make a trade work” he is speculation other pieces. Either way Martin can not be the centerpiece of that trade, he would be a thrown in.

BoSoxSam
4 years 8 months ago

But why do you call it a Martin for Ellsbury trade? It’s as if Martin as any trade value. Who else would the Dodgers offer?

Edit: I didn’t mean to sound harsh, I do agree with you. 😛 I am just curious what you think the trade might look like.

Quest2b1
4 years 8 months ago

I really do not know, because I don’t think LAD needs another avg arm for the pen. I doubt Boston wants to give up anything they could use to go after Gonzalez later in the year.

Mike C.
4 years 8 months ago

I’ll go off the board and vote for Option Four:

Dodgers non-tender him, but resign him to a lower base with incentives. Win-Win

Gumby65
4 years 8 months ago

Seems to be the likely scenario.

0bsessions
4 years 8 months ago

If he was willing to take a lower base with incentives, he would’ve accepted that by now. The basic point of non-tendering him is that the Dodgers basically have the choice of either:

A. Going to arbitration with him should they tender him a contract. You can’t take more than a 20% pay cut in arbitration, so he’s guaranteed at least four million next year if that is the route they go.
B. Work out another amount should they tender him a contract. The closest thing to your idea.
C. Non-tender him. They get nothing back for him, but they’re also not on the hook for at least $4 million.

They could TECHNICALLY do what you suggest, but what would really be the point? If they figured they could work out a paycut, I have to assume they’d have done that by now or would just offer him a contract and handle it in the time before arbitration cases.

4 years 8 months ago

I don’t think the MLBPA would let a player take a significantly lower pay no matter what incentives were included as part of the deal. It would be bad for every other player out there.

Dave Pomerantz
4 years 8 months ago

If they don’t non-tender, that can only drop his base to $4.04mil (80% of his previous salary, per collective bargaining agreement). If they non-tender, they can go much lower, with lots of incentives. For all we know, there may already be a gentleman’s agreement in place to do exactly that.

4 years 8 months ago

My reply was in response to “If he was willing to take a lower base with incentives, he would’ve accepted that by now.”, which could not happen.

Dave Pomerantz
4 years 8 months ago

Yeah, so was mine… your comment hadn’t shown up yet (I guess I took my sweet time reading through)

4 years 8 months ago

My bad, I thought your reply was to me.

BlueSkyLA
4 years 8 months ago

This is exactly what I’ve been saying all along. I really don’t understand these trade scenarios. As a player coming off an injury (and a weird one at that), he’s currently got no significant trade value, let alone for a veteran who can take his place. If the Dodgers don’t offer him a contract, and they understand his condition as well as anyone, then why would any other team do so?

0bsessions
4 years 8 months ago

Updside potential. I stand by what i said earlier, I wouldn’t give up anything of even remote potential value for him from a personnel standpoint, but cash? For a large market team, $4 million for a young catcher with a career OBP hovering around .350 even in his worst year? In this catching market? You bet I’d be all over that.

While I think the Red Sox catching dilemma is greatly exaggerated (Yes, it’s a step back from Martinez right now, but I do think we’ll manage fine), I’d be first on board to take a flyer on the guy. He’s under thirty and not eligible for free agency for another two years. If he rebounds (And hey, he’s a right hander and it’s Fenway, it COULD happen), neat! If he continues to decline, non-tender him next year.

I would love a nice young plattoon of Salty and Martin. Just ride the hot hand and see what develops. He’s got a lot of mileage on his body already, but he was a top tier catcher recently enough that I’d be willing to throw some money at him to try him out. The risk is too high for me to be willing to part with a player of even marginal value for him, but if he were non-tendered, I’d be standing outside of Epstein’s office window for the next week pestering him to sign the kid.

BlueSkyLA
4 years 8 months ago

Like I said, he currently has no real trade value. That’s my main point, and why I wonder what’s the basis for talking about him as a trade candidate, since the Dodgers are likely to get nothing for him. As for offering him a contract, he’s no more of a risk and not worth less to the Dodgers in that scenario than to any other team. Given that the Dodgers probably have the best handle on his health situation, if they haven’t tendered him a contract, or non-tendered and then immediately signed him to a new contract, then I think any other team is going to be extremely wary.

0bsessions
4 years 8 months ago

Martin’s a non-tender candidate coming off a major hip injury playing about the most physically demanding fielding position. I won’t lie, I love his upside potential, but straight up for Ellsbury? Fat chance, folks. Not with him being a non-tender candidate.

I’d take a flyer on Martin if he were non-tendered or give up spare parts for him as a reclamation project (That consistently solid on base ability is tantalizing), but I wouldn’t give anything of value up for him this close to major injury.

If the Dodgers wanted Ellsbury, Martin would be a very minor piece in the deal.

thegrayrace
4 years 8 months ago

I don’t think anyone is saying the deal would be straight up.

0bsessions
4 years 8 months ago

That seems to be bleedDODGERblue’s line of thought.

bleedDODGERblue
4 years 8 months ago

Really? Thats why I said “make a Martin for Ellsbury trade WORK”?? I didnt say trade Martin for Ellsbury, if thats what I meant I could have saved myself some words..

4 years 8 months ago

I say he’s either traded to the Red Sox, or non-tendered and re-signed by the Dodgers.

4 years 8 months ago

This bum would do himself good to move so he doesn’t have to live in the shadow of posey for his entire career being boo’d at and spit on by beach ball bouncing dodgers fans for being the scrub he is.

4 years 8 months ago

Buster Posey has half of a great season under his name. Give him 4 years catching, especially at the rate of Martin (most of any player in baseball) and see how he fares then…

Dave Pomerantz
4 years 8 months ago

I agree, except it would take a real silly head to put ANYONE behind the plate as often as Martin was.I’m looking at you, Ned and Joe. You destroyed him.

4 years 8 months ago

Wow, several uncalled for things in one comment. Uh, kudos?

Quest2b1
4 years 8 months ago

I say he will be tendered, traded, or non-tendered, or a new contract will be worked out.

bleedDODGERblue
4 years 8 months ago

Is there any other options?

0bsessions
4 years 8 months ago

Fire him out of a cannon into the Pacific? That’s technically an option, I suppose, though I can’t speak for the viability of it.

MaineSox
4 years 8 months ago

Pretty sure that was the point.

4 years 8 months ago

if he can get his BA back up he will be ok. he’s a 27 year old catcher with 2 all star appearances, a gold glove, a silver slugger award, and great success working with pitchers.

compare his early career to a guy like posada or varitek and he’s pretty much on par.

i think the right ballpark and the right lineup could do a lot for him – throw him in the AL where he can DH occasionally and it’ll be even better.

Martin for Ellsbury isn’t going to happen, but maybe Martin & prospect for Ellsbury works – especially if Boston is going for Werth or Crawford…

4 years 8 months ago

Russell Martin’s bat isn’t nearly good enough to DH…ever. I like the guy but cmon, his value is solely upon being a catcher. And there is no chance Martin and Ellsbury should be discussed.

thegrayrace
4 years 8 months ago

He’s always had a very respectable OBP. If he’s good at anything at the plate, it is drawing the walk.

MaineSox
4 years 8 months ago

That’s not exactly what you look for in a DH though.

Quest2b1
4 years 8 months ago

Bard makes more sense as a target to me, for Martin + Broxton to clear salary for LA. However, Broxtons value is also low so Boston would really have to feel a bounce back is likely.

4 years 8 months ago

The Red Sox aren’t trading Bard.

Quest2b1
4 years 8 months ago

I doubt they would too, I was just saying he would make more sense as a target.

thegrayrace
4 years 8 months ago

If the Red Sox believe they are going to contend in 2011, and there is no reason to think they wouldn’t, that’s a deal they should seriously consider.

Despite his mediocre 2nd half, Broxton had been one of the best closers in baseball from 2006 up until that point (2.11 ERA at the All-Star break last season).

4 years 8 months ago

Bard is younger, less expensive and can do as good a job as Broxton.

thegrayrace
4 years 8 months ago

Obviously, but the deal would also include Martin.

MaineSox
4 years 8 months ago

The Red Sox already have one of the best closers in the game since 2006 (Papelbon) and another guy who projects to also be very, very good and is young (Bard). They certainly don’t need Broxton to compete, and it would make little sense to trade Bard now, esspecially for another relief pitcher. It would make a lot more sense just to keep what they have.

thegrayrace
4 years 8 months ago

Martin would be part of the deal, too…?

MaineSox
4 years 8 months ago

Martin is a potential non-tender candidate and has little value at this point so he wouldn’t add enough to make the trade worth it to the Sox.

MaineSox
4 years 8 months ago

The Red Sox already have one of the best closers in the game since 2006 (Papelbon) and another guy who projects to also be very, very good and is young (Bard). They certainly don’t need Broxton to compete, and it would make little sense to trade Bard now, esspecially for another relief pitcher. It would make a lot more sense just to keep what they have.

4 years 8 months ago

Who wouldn’t want Bard? literally every team should want a guy like Bard. But I think he is right up with Pedroia and Lester as untouchables on this team.

4 years 8 months ago

If you think Bard who made under a half mil, for Martin and Broxton your soft. Martin is a non-tender candidate (sign him if/when he’s non-tendered) and Broxton while I think will have a better year is not worth someone like Bard who has no injury history and looks to succeed Papelbon as the closer of the Boston Red Sox.

BoSoxSam
4 years 8 months ago

Ain’t gonna happen, but I do see your train of thought there. And you’re right, if Boston were to give up some good young talent for Martin, whatever the reason….Bard would probably go before Ellsbury

Gumby65
4 years 8 months ago

Ellsbury to LA? Why is this even coming up? LA has a CF. needs a LF with POWER if anything in the outfield.

4 years 8 months ago

I agree it’s not very likely, but I think the idea is that Kemp might be better in RF and Ethier should be a LF, so that’s how it could help. Still I don’t see that making much sense for either side.

I do think the Dodgers will find a way to bring Martin back, but it is slightly risky to tender him given his injury recovery. Still, given the options out there being weak relatively and the odds are he’ll be fine next year since he didn’t tear a labrum, I see him coming back to LA.

thegrayrace
4 years 8 months ago

The Dodgers have power in the OF with Kemp and Ethier. Where they lack power is in the IF.

Kemp had a poor season defensively and that is likely to continue as his speed declines. Ethier was never that good defensively. Moving Kemp to RF and Ethier to LF with Ellsbury in CF boosts the Dodgers OF defense considerably.

The Dodgers also lack a leadoff man. Furcal isn’t capable of running like he used to.

So, he does suit the Dodgers needs fairly well. The Dodgers can then focus on 1B or 2B/3B for their offensive boost (Uribe can play either position). If they upgrade at 2B or 3B, they can platoon Loney and Blake at 1B.

bleedDODGERblue
4 years 8 months ago

Dodgers have a power LF in Ethier, we need a CF

Gumby65
4 years 8 months ago

Unless you are Don Mattingly, I understand Ethier is the the rightfielder…

joeym2623
4 years 8 months ago

As a Dodger fan living on the east coast I do not want to see Ellsbury in Dodger blue. He is soft. we need another bat in the outfield. Ellsbury world do well defensively in center but he is brittle and brings nothing to the table offensively, Trust me on this. There are way better options for the Dodgers than this. I do think Martin needs to go but only if it benefits the club. Lets not just let him go for nothing in return.

joeym2623
4 years 8 months ago

As a Dodger fan living on the east coast I do not want to see Ellsbury in Dodger blue. He is soft. we need another bat in the outfield. Ellsbury world do well defensively in center but he is brittle and brings nothing to the table offensively, Trust me on this. There are way better options for the Dodgers than this. I do think Martin needs to go but only if it benefits the club. Lets not just let him go for nothing in return.

MaineSox
4 years 8 months ago

Why should we “trust you on this”? Ellsbury hits over .300 OBP’s at 3.55 and steals 70 bases and offers nothing offensively, yeah I trust you.

Oh and he’s soft because he has been injured exactly once since being called up and it was in a freak accident with a line backer (Beltre) and broke four ribs?

joeym2623
4 years 8 months ago

The Redsox have been waiting on on this guy for years now. This injury is not the first injury to keep him out of the lineup. Not sure what perspective you are coming from. I’m just speaking as a Dodger fan and I don’t want to trade our catcher for this guy. Yes he steals bases but that’s it. The Dodgers have much greater needs.

MaineSox
4 years 8 months ago

Since he has been in the majors he has only spent time on the disabled list because of the rib injury, aside from that he has never missed more than a couple of games at a time because of injuries (believe it or not people around here actually talked about his willingness to play hurt before the rib injury). I can understand not wanting to trade your catcher, but your catcher’s value is very low right now and he isnt nearly worth Ellsbury (who would bring considerably more value to the dodgers). Also – saying you don’t want the trade to happen is one thing, but saying that Ellsbury has no offensive value and is brittle simply because you don’t want him doesn’t make it true.

joeym2623
4 years 8 months ago

You are obviously a Redsox fan. In my opinion and it’s only my opinion Ellsbury is a soft player. Believe me I know Martin is on the decline. He has caught way to much over the past 4 seasons. If the Redsox thought Ellsbury was there answer they would not have brought in the 50 year old Mike Cameron last year as insurance. Other than stolen bases he has no value. What else can you say he gives a team? HR’s? RBI’s? great defense? durability? the answer is no to all. Trading for him would not improve the Dodgers. They just let Podsednik walk why would they then bring in Ellsbury? They can keep Martin and bring back Podsednik if that’s the case.

MaineSox
4 years 8 months ago

I am a Red Sox fan but I fail to see how that applies here. Your opinion of Ellsbury being “soft” doesn’t trump the facts or his injury record. They actually were adamant about Ellsbury being the CF of the future for the Sox but they picked up Cameron because he was the best stopgap available to get them to this offseason and they didn’t have anyone in-house ready. Cameron also happened to be the better defender in CF so it only made sense to play him in center.

Ellsbury also gets a bad rap for his defense, in his two full seasons in center he has put up UZR/150’s of 14.5 and -10.0 so which one do you want to use as the “real” Ellsbury?

El_Bobo
4 years 8 months ago

It’s only your opinion, which means nothing. You obviously haven’t seen Ells run into walls making great catches and putting himself on the line every game he plays. Soft? you mean Matt Kemp, and pretty much the whole Dodger organization.

joeym2623
4 years 8 months ago

Seems like you are taking this personal. You don’t have to agree…that’s fine. I’ve seen Ellsbury plenty over the last bunch of years and buddy….he’s soft. I wouldn’t be suprised if he’s not the starting center fielder in Boston by the end of the season. You can say what you want about the Dodger organization…they are a mess but this conversation really has nothing to do with that. Outside of Boston Ellsbury is not looked at as a great player….Not even close. I’m not sure how Matt Kemp got into this…it was about Martin and Ellsbury.

Sky14
4 years 8 months ago

agreed joey, ellsbury reminds me alot of podsednik but younger. Sox fans are just thinking more highly of their own players, ellsbury is a career .290 hitter with a slug% of barely above .400 but can definately steal bases but nothing more than a pods which the dodgers have I believe…the best thing for the dodgers is to give Martin one more chance to turn it around he can run for a catcher and has a pretty good avg. n obp for his career no reason to sell low or be cheap and cut him loose with no replacement

joeym2623
4 years 8 months ago

Couldn’t agree more SKylander 14 I just made the same Podsednik comparison.

MaineSox
4 years 8 months ago

“Career .290 hitter” is a bit misleading at this point. He has had two full seasons in the majors and went from .280 in the first year to .301 in the second. So while you are technically correct I could just as easily say that he has improved his batting average by a considerable amount every year so far, but that would be equally as misleading. He also has a good deal more defensive value than Podsednik: Podsednik has put up a -7.6 UZR(-1.5 UZR/150) while Ells has put up a 15.1 UZR(6.9 UZR/150).

I do agree that the best thing for them to do would probably be to give him another chance, and it really doesn’t make sense to sell low on any player (unless you believe there is no chance for them to bounce back and they are costing a lot of money) so I don’t think a deal would really make sense from either point of view. I just think all the talk of Ellsbury being worthless is a bad way to make your point about the trade as the accusations are largely unfounded.

ohdembums
4 years 8 months ago

Trade Martin, Broxton and Loney for PRINCE FIELDER and pitcher right now!!!

vtadave
4 years 8 months ago

FAIL.

I would think MIL would want cost-controllable prospects for Fielder and not a trio that will make upwards of $15 million next year and be close to free agency.

4 years 8 months ago

with no disrespect to Russell Martin and i am not a Dodgers fan. But there are better catchers right now avail . Look at Russell today not career wise when you think about that. He is very iffy about his injurys two sub par offensive seasons where he had pop now there is none. If i did not know better he was using juice that Manny had avail that was a secret. lol