Quick Hits: Cashman, Mets, Blanton, Indians, DeRosa

One year ago, the Orioles officially signed Miguel Tejada, bringing him back for his second stint with the club. Unfortunately for the O's, the veteran infielder couldn't match the numbers he'd previously put up in Baltimore, posting a .670 OPS before a July trade sent him to the Padres. While we wait to see what January 23rd will bring this year, here are a few links to browse:


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141 Comments on "Quick Hits: Cashman, Mets, Blanton, Indians, DeRosa"


start_wearing_purple
4 years 6 months ago

Amaro should call up Reagins, he’s apparently in the mood to pick up overpaid under performing players.

4 years 6 months ago

He may as well take Ibanez too while he’s at it

dc21892
4 years 6 months ago

Sure does seem that way. Why give Crawford an annual 20.3M salary when you can get Wells at 23M one year and 21M for 3 years. Why go after Cliff Lee when Amaro is looking to shed some payroll with Blanton! Would not suprise me if they looked into it. The Angels make me wonder. Glad I’m not an Angels fan. Incase no one noticed, everything before “would not suprise me” is sarcasm. I understand sarcasm is hard to sense over a computer.

I am Urban Legend
4 years 6 months ago

The Mets prayers have been answered.
Oliver Perez and Louis Castillo for Scott Kazmir !

4 years 6 months ago

Gee, if I was making an argument to trade Blanton, I’d talk about how he’s cheaper and younger than similar comps like Pavano, Westbrook and De La Rosa, had a higher K-rate than Pavano and Westbrook and a higher K/BB rate (top 20 in the majors!) than all three of them last year. Has a history of being catastrophic injury-free unlike those Pavano and Westbrook. Has averaged more innings per season than De La Rosa’s max effort. If he had a .280-.290 BABIP like those 3, he’d have had an ERA under 4. The perception is that Blanton’s worse than he is, partly because of his bad BABIP last year, and partly because we’ve jerked him around between starting and relieving in the playoffs the last couple years.

Fact is there’s a lot of pitchers that Blanton compares well against. He may not be measurably better than Westbrook, Pavano, Brett Myers, Scott Baker, etc, but he’s not measurably worse either. He’s easily a 2 or 3 on a non-playoff team, and a solid 3-4 on a contending team. The market has proven that’s worth at least $8MM a year.

Victor Kipp
4 years 6 months ago

Totally agree. If you are a team that thinks you can win and you need a starter Joe Blanton is worth a good prospect or 2. If nothing else he’s gonna go out there and eat innings.

YanksFanSince78
4 years 6 months ago

A good prospect or two? I don’t think so. Not if the team is going to pay off of his salary which Philly would want.

stovin
4 years 6 months ago

I dont why the Orioles dont trade Pie and Tillman for Blaton, Leandro Castro and Zagurski. The orioles get a starter and the lefty they need for the bullpen. The Phillies cut payroll. Then the Orioles should sign Vlad. Vlad plays DH for 2011 and Scott in LF. Then in 2012 Scott plays DH and Castro plays LF.

yankeeaddiction
4 years 6 months ago

Pie has a nice upside and in rebuilding mode hoping he becomes the player his skills project him to be is probably a better move than having Blanton. Same thing with Tillman. Realistically 2012 is probably when they can hope to contend and then they can sign Blanton or someone in the same mold. I think Tillman and Pie are alot to give up for players they can sign later or players they can sign later who will be the equivalent. It will always be a very tough division with the Yanks and Sox so I think there best shot is to go the Rays route and hold onto and build around their young talent.

YanksFanSince78
4 years 6 months ago

YOu don’t know why? How about because the O’s are a rebuilding team and the last thing they need to do is trade away good young pitching.

Tillman-22 yo- 2009 Top 25 prospect-Less than 120 mlb IP

Pie- He’s been around for a while but he’s still only 26. He’s expendable though.

Castro- Hasn’t played above low A yet and is probably at least 3 years away from being anything. Still, he is very, very raw.

Zagurski- Other than a cool name, what’s the big deal? He’s a 28 yo bullpen arm that has been unable to stick in the majors. He’s a 2 pitch loogy at best.

I could see a possible Pie and fringe prospect for Blanton but not much more w/ the O’s paying all of Blanton’s contract.

Catztradamus
4 years 6 months ago

caus Pie hits left handed, and Philly wants a right handed hitting outfielder. If Baltimore had a right handed hitting outfielder not named Adam Jones that was ML ready, I think Blanton would already be wearing Orange and Black.

4 years 6 months ago

No team(aside from the Angels maybe) is going to give up any warm bodies and pay for Blanton’s salary…..

niched
4 years 6 months ago

Nolan Reimold is a right handed ML ready outfielder, but the O’s aren’t trading him to the Phillies for Blanton. Despite his really bad year last year due to slow recovery from surgery the year before, Reimold has too much potential for the O’s to trade him for a high paid #4/5 starter. Phils may want someone with more of a track record anyway, even though that would be a good deal for the Phils if they could pull it off.

4 years 6 months ago

Take out Castro and substitute Pie for Reimold and it’s something that the Phils would do.

4 years 6 months ago

If the Orioles offered Pie and Tillman for Blanton, Castro and Zagurski, I’d jump on that faster than Blanton and Zagurski in a pie eating contest.

yankeeaddiction
4 years 6 months ago

Bucholtz, Lester, Beckett, Dice K and Lackey- I hear some Sox fans talk about the strength of this rotation and in those discussions I have not heard any information of why they would need Blanton. What is the real story here and who do the Sox have concerns about out of the 5 I have mentioned. Outside the first 2 all have some concerns but Lackey and Beckett both have contracts that nobody is going to take on so they are not getting dealt. To me this means that they either have a major concern about on of their starters or they really do want to trade Dice K or both. I dont see how Blanton replacing Dice K makes them better if Dice K is healthy- they know what they have with him and I give them the edge or every team in baseball at fifth starter if that is his spot and he is healthy. Sox fans what is the deal and what is the reasoning behind their interest in Blanton. Another opinion is Bard was lights out, they are in a position to win it all in 2011 and I would hold on to Papelbon hope he is healthy with Bard being a great bridge again rather than taking the chance of Bard becoming the closer a year early or allowing Jenks to do it. I dont think there is a Sox fan on the planet who wants Dan Wheeler closing games for them.

start_wearing_purple
4 years 6 months ago

The only rumors I heard about the Sox interest in Blanton was the day after the Phils signed Lee. My guess is Amaro called up Theo and asked about his interest level in Blanton and Theo didn’t immediately hang up. Unless injuries very quickly pile up, I don’t see Blanton in Boston happening.

As for Paps, the rumors of the Sox open to trading him whenever kinda boils down to the fact that any player on any team can be had for the right price. I’d be surprised if any team offers enough to make Theo move him.

yankeeaddiction
4 years 6 months ago

Thanks. As a Yankee fan I would love to see them get Blanton as I would rather them face him on a regular basis than any of the other 5 when healthy. I just dont see him as an upgrade over anyone they have. He also will not come cheap so they would have to give up legit talent especially because other teams will be interested and the fact Amaro has to be thinking there is a good chance these two teams can meet in the WS and he does not want Blanton coming back to bite him like the Lee trade amost did.

start_wearing_purple
4 years 6 months ago

Hey, I know the feeling, I want to see Blanton in the AL East… in pinstripes. But if Amaro wants legit talent for Blanton he’ll have to eat salary which will kinda make the point about dumping him for salary relief pointless. Blanton is an over paid #5 pitcher, I don’t see anyone giving up talent and taking on his salary.

yankeeaddiction
4 years 6 months ago

I agree. Maybe a team who needs a starter in the NL could take the risk- for some reason I think the Cardinals, maybe the Reds. I think he will be dealt with them not having to eat money and maybe getting a decent return if a team has an injury in Spring Training and they expect to contend and the injury puts that in doubt. If Burhle goes down for the Whitesox I think maybe they have to step up and take the risk. I would not mind Blanton on the Yankees because he would replace Mitre but I think the Yankees because of age, affordability, upside and CC Sabathia will favor Carmona and that is a deal that will eventually get done. I think they are laying in wait on that and Carmona would have to be dealt before they bite on Blanton.

YanksFanSince78
4 years 6 months ago

I know Theo didn’t want it to be made public but obviously knew that it would come out that he tried to sign both Mo and Soriano this winter with the thoughts of moving Paps. I’m sure he probably made offers for others too (Bell and Soria). How do you think Paps handles that this year? Motivation or mopes?

start_wearing_purple
4 years 6 months ago

Well there were rumors Theo tried to expand the AGon trade to include Bell but in the end Hoyer wanted to hold onto him. Don’t know about Soria, willing to bet he asked the price tag but it probably started with Kelly.

Paps has an alpha personality, my bet is he will need to prove something whether it be out of spite or honor. Hopefully Young has seen what he needs to improve on and Paps will listen.

East Coast Bias
4 years 6 months ago

Word! I’m not in the crowd writing him off after last year. He’s been one of the best closers in the league past few years. Like you said, he will be motivated this year and be back to his normal self for the most part.

BravesRed
4 years 6 months ago

Seriously, Wren? You passed on Jones for Cantu? His offense and defense both suck. There is also many other infielders that are better than Cantu and will cost the same.

YanksFanSince78
4 years 6 months ago

I haven’t seen much of DeRosa since he went to SF. He would be a nice piece for the Yanks to pick up for the bench because he can play both OF corners as well as 2B and 3B. I know he’s not great at any 1 position, but his versatility and bat off the bench could be of use. Considering his money due he should be obtainable for next to nothing I would think?

4 years 6 months ago

giants aren’t going to trade for that exact reason. His versatility will be needed, especially at third.

tiger313
4 years 6 months ago

Quick hit comment that has nothing to do with anything on this post. Is anyone else ready for March 31st because im dying over here?

Infield Fly
4 years 6 months ago

You kidding?! I’m not even sure I’m gonna make it to Pitchers & Catchers! 😀

tiger313
4 years 6 months ago

Opening day is the day I leave for florida/western carribean. I am going to be going crazy if I cant at least check scores/listen to something on the radio.

Infield Fly
4 years 6 months ago

Well, don’t forget “La Serie del Caribe.” Maybe not the same level of ball as the majors but you’ll see some old & new familiar faces, and get warmed up for the MLB season. And you’ll be in good company ’cause you can’t beat Caribbean passion for béisbol. ;-))

4 years 6 months ago

Luke – – – stop saying ‘opining’, ‘opines’, etc in your posts. That is all.

4 years 6 months ago

honestly.. do people actually think that the yankees would give up montero for a bum like blanton? felix hernandez, yes. blanton, nooo.

4 years 6 months ago

I really hope not, but I’ve seen that ‘rumor’ from time to time since the Phillies signed Lee. It’s a completely absurd thought though and wouldn’t happen in a million years.

It’s essentially like saying the Braves should trade Kawakami for Moustakas, while the Royals take on Kawakami’s salary to boot.

tiger313
4 years 6 months ago

King Felix is a horrible example. He is in the top 3 of AL pitchers, maybe all of MLB.

YanksFanSince78
4 years 6 months ago

That’s kind of the point. Montero wouldn’t be used in a deal for a “journeyman” type pitcher like Blanton but would center a deal for a guy like Felix if he became available.

BoSoxSam
4 years 6 months ago

Montero is good, but nowhere near good enough to “center” a King Felix trade. No. Way.

tiger313
4 years 6 months ago

I truly think that not many prospects would be good enough if centered for a King Felix trade.

BoSoxSam
4 years 6 months ago

Agreed.

YanksFanSince78
4 years 6 months ago

Do ppl not understand what “centered” means? It means that you headline a deal.

Casey Kelly “centered” the deal for Agonz!!!!! Jeesh.

To say that Montero, the #1 or #2 rated hitter in baseball, and top 5 overall, wouldn’t ceter a deal for Felix isn’t even debatable. He DID center a proposed deal for Cliff Lee from the M’s earlier this year. He would easily be their #1 offensive prospect, and arguably their #1 prospect overall w/ the conversation being him or Pineda (regardless of what Ackley did in the AZL).

BoSoxSam
4 years 6 months ago

Lee is many years older, and would have required a big extension. His value was much lower than Felix’s is.

Look, the point I’m getting at is Felix is one of THE best pitchers in baseball. He’s young, a healthy workhorse, and is still a few years away from free agency. The Mariners would definitely be looking for one or two young, established MLB players to “center” a trade. If Montero was a more balanced prospect, say, if he could catch as well, then -maybe- he’s good enough. But even for a monster masher such as Montero, the Mariners would have a hard time trading Felix. In the case of NY, I would guess the Mariners would need to see a Montero + Hughes or Gardner kind of package before they actually pick up the phone. And yes, that would be a LOT to give up. But I don’t see Felix going for less.

YanksFanSince78
4 years 6 months ago

FIRST: I am not , nor did I ever suggest, that the Yanks or anyone will be trading for Felix. Let me make that clear.

What I DID say, was directed towards the guy who suggested the Yanks would trade Montero for Blanton by the deadline.

What I DID say was that IF Montero were traded it would be to center a package for a guy “like” Felix (feel free to sub out Felix w/ any other stud that was on the market recently or will be in the near future).

While I still insist that IF…IF… Felix were on the market, NO team would be trading an established mlb pitcher (as established as a 23-24 could be) or a guy like Cano (established all-star). I am almost 100% sure that it would be for 1 young mlb player already in the minors but not yet w/ a year under his belt PLUS a multiple of 4 or 5 prospects.

AGAIN…didn’t say the Yanks were trading for Felix, just that it would be someone “LIKE” him.

BoSoxSam
4 years 6 months ago

Yeah, I actually got that you weren’t suggesting an actual trade from the beginning, thanks. You say a guy “like” Felix…well, my point is that there aren’t many comparisons to him. I agree Montero for Blanton is an unfair trade, but suggesting he could centerpiece for Felix doesn’t work for me either.

Now, for what you think Felix would be worth on the market. First of all, I NEVER suggested Cano would be part of it, and I never will. And you say no team would trade an established mlb pitcher…well, you’re trading FOR an established ACE pitcher, who’s still only 24 going on 25. How do you expect to get him then? The package you’re suggesting works for someone like Adrian Gonzalez, who plays an already powerful position and has free agency looming, or for a Cliff Lee, at 32 and one year on the contract. But not for Hernandez. I still definitely believe you’d have to give up MLB talent for him. I only mentioned Hughes and Gardner cause, well, they’re the only young guys with talent in the right range for Felix. I agree Hughes would probably not move. But then again, I think NY has basically no chance at making an attractive offer right now. Again, I think a team like the Rays with loads of young talent could make the trade, but they’re one of few.

tiger313
4 years 6 months ago

King Felix is 24, signed through 2014, and is one of the best pitchers in baseball. Montero for Lee would mean getting Lee for a one year rental and I believe Lee is 32? King Felix has many more great years ahead of him (barring injury) than lee does. So yes a deal centered around Montero for Lee makes sense, but not for King Felix. BoSoxSam’s comment below describes partially what it would possibly take to land him from a Yankees farm/team perspective.

YanksFanSince78
4 years 6 months ago

I know you wrote this an 1 hour ago, but please read what I said. I never suggested Felix would be traded, nor did I say Montero would be enough for him.

tiger313
4 years 6 months ago

or that you implied that I dont know what being centered in a trade meant. Felix is probably one of the only players to ever be compared to in trade talks like that. He is on a different level than everyone else. There are maybe 10 guys in the mlb that are like that and he is one of them. They dont call him king for nothing. If the original post talked about someone that wasnt Felix I dont think I would have even commented.

Steve_in_MA
4 years 6 months ago

Montero is not good enough to center a deal for King Felix. You’d have to give up Soriano, Gardener, then maybe Montero, to get that done. Interestingly, despite having a top 10 farm system, you don’t have a trade chip, outside of Montero and Brackman, that could induce such a deal.

YanksFanSince78
4 years 6 months ago

You are so clueles it’s not even funny. Betances, Banuelos and Sanchez are ranled higher than Brackman on most lists and on some other Noesi as well.

Steve_in_MA
4 years 6 months ago

Diude, I’m not clueless. I fully understand the prospects the Yanks have. You are assuming that because they are “ranked” well, that everyone wants them. The Mariners have specific needs that your “ranked” prospects mostly DON’T fulfill. Perhaps if Cito Culver turns out to be fantastic, that would give you a trade chip that would be highly prized for such a deal. Remember, the Mariners have turned down a 7-player deal for King Felix. The talent offered were all relatively highly ranked. It wasn’t the size of the haul that mattered. It was scuttled because of how the pieces offered didn’t fit their needs. I don’t believe your farm system is a match for the Mariners’ needs. You might be able to pull this off using a third team to fill some of the Mariners’ needs.

YanksFanSince78
4 years 6 months ago

You are clueless about the Yanks farm system if you say all the Yanks have that might interest the M’s arm Montero and Brackman, who is RHP, when the Yanks have 2 or 3 other RHP ranked higher than Brackman. But it’s a moot point since I clearly wasn’t suggesting that Felix was available or that the Yanks were going to trade for him. I said Montero would only headline a trade for a pitcher “LIKE” Felix (insert any other Cy Young caliber pitchers name).

Steve_in_MA
4 years 6 months ago

You’re the one who is clueless. Montero is a one-dimensional prospect. His maximum upside is Adam Dunn, not Pujols. He’s never going to be an acceptable centerpiece for a “Cy Young” quality pitcher, and if you continue to think that, you are outright delusional.

Adam Dunn, a proven MLB commodity, couldn’t headline a trade for a Cy Young quality pitcher. No one dimensional player can.

As for Brackman, he is the best RH SP in your farm system that meets the Mariners needs, despite WHAT YOU HAVE and despite WHO IS RANKED HIGHER. He is the only one, I predict, that they WOULD want. You act like the rankings are God’s words. They aren’t. Get off that cloud. Come to your senses.

YanksFanSince78
4 years 6 months ago

You have no idea what “centered” means. Doesn’t mean it would be a

Montero for Felix deal.

It means it would be a Montero + others deal, with Montero being the best of the bunch and probably the most desirable that the M’s would ask for.

BoSoxSam
4 years 6 months ago

No….I know exactly what you meant. I still stand by my comment. If Montero is the most desirable prospect of the bunch, then the deal isn’t worth it to the Mariners, plain and simple.

Tko11
4 years 6 months ago

I think he would be a good centerpiece…he is probably the yankees best prospect and best catching prospect in all of baseball. Some lists also have him as the #2 prospect in baseball. Obviously some people dont believe he will remain a catcher but from what I have heard he is getting a bit better behind the plate. But he is ranked very high on many lists and I don’t see how he wouldn’t be a good centerpiece for an ace tyoe pitcher.

BoSoxSam
4 years 6 months ago

Just because he’s the Yankees best prospect does not mean he’s good enough for Felix. And Felix is not just an “ace type pitcher”. He’s one of THE best pitchers, plus he’s young, plus he’s affordable. He’s not going anywhere, and Yankees don’t have a chance without a Hughes/Gardner/Montero kind of offer.

YanksFanSince78
4 years 6 months ago

Montero is just the Yanks top prospect, he is one of the top 5 in the game. Again…never said he was going anywhere.

Can we look at this totally w/o have a “man crush” on Felix?

MONEY-IF (cap, bold and italicized) the M’s decide to move Felix it will be for a reason. The fact that after 2011 he will earn $18, $19 and $20 mil means that most teams outside of probably 8-10 are going to be eliminated. As great as Felix is, so were/are Roy Halladay, Cliff Lee, Dan Haren, Johan Santana, Zach Greinke, Tim Hudson and Mark Mulder when they were traded.

MOTIVE-If/when this time comes the M’s would be engaging other teams in a mutually beneficial deal. True, if any team were to approach them now then the M’s would be right to rape and pilage them for all they can. If the M’s are looking to trade them then the expectations change. Because if they are trading him, then it’s not because they can’t afford him (because they probably could) but because they might feel Felix won’t resign w/ them for whatever reason. They will also understand that they could easily get much more than the 2 1st rnd picks (assuming that’s what type A will reap w/ the next CBA) FA comp would bring. Teams will understand this as well.

MARKET-Back to Felix. Ppl often talk about how cheap and affordbale he is. He IS signed below market. As of 2012 he IS NOT cheep any longer, however. After 2012 the only pitchers more expensive than Felix will be Zambrano, Zito, Santana, Lee, Halladay, Verlander and Sabathia. He is better than all of them, but his price limits the market for him. He is not signed to AS friendly a deal as Lester, JJ or Jiminez.
I would say the Yanks, Red Sox, Mets, Dodgers, Blue Jays, Nats, Orioles, Rangers, Tigers, White Sox and Cubs are all realistic teams that can afford him.

CONTROL-Ppl reference how young he is. Yes, assuming he is traded before the 2013 season then a team aquiring him will have him for his age 27 and 28 seasons. Extremely young. But remember it’s for 2 years and there’s no reason to value him or his age beyond the contract service time left. Any extensions are done at the discretion or Felix and his new team therfore the M’s should receive no benefit of an extension since it will come closer to his real market value.

Now, look at other Cy Young caliber pitchers who earned or were deserving of $20 mil deals for 2 year each and look at what they netted the team that traded him. Use that as a guide for reasonable expectations and add slightly more and that will most likely be the return.

Again….

Traded now= A ton in return short of proven mlb all-stars.
Traded after 2012= Expect something more reasonable like what we’ve seen for Halladay, Santana, Haren, Lee, Greinke, etc

tiger313
4 years 6 months ago

If he puts up comparable numbers to what he has the last few years, he will net more prospects than any pitcher you named. I do agree with your stance that in a couple years it is more reasonable to trade him without taking the whole farm system but it will still be substantial in a couple years unless its 2014 mid season and the M’s know they wont resign him…..but who doesnt have a man crush on King Felix?

tiger313
4 years 6 months ago

excuse my use on run on sentences.

YanksFanSince78
4 years 6 months ago

I’m not even arguing prospects. That’s all debatable and according to what the M’s need vs what a team is offering. I’m saying that I doubt there will be a Hughes or Cano (which has been mentioned by other idiors whenever someone mentions Felix and Yanks) involved. The Yanks, and any team for that matter, are trying to ADD to the rotation not just upgrade one spot.

Somehow, I got dragged into this debate…hahaha. I wasn’t even suggesting that Felix was obtainable. I just said Montero would be dealt for someone “LIKE” Felix as opposed to Blanton.

Didn’t mean to ruffle feathers.

IF Felix were traded today the package will be obscene but likely devoid of a star w/ 2 or more years of service or a young pitcher with good success. A guy like Gardner plus 4 prospects is easy to see but I don’t value Gardner as being a star yet.

2 years from now, a Felix net is not going to be 2x what these other star pitchers were traded for.

Tko11
4 years 6 months ago

Hes not just the yankees best prospect, hes listed as top 10 in all of baseball. Ive seen him as high as #2 on certain lists behind only Bryce Harper. Im obviously not saying Montero=Hernandez but I am saying that if they were to shop felix, the yankees can make a great package around Montero. That means Montero plus a bunch of other good prospects for Felix. Hughes/Gardner/Montero isnt even a good offer in my opinion but that might be because I dont think Hughes and Gardner are anything special.

Steve_in_MA
4 years 6 months ago

You are delusional.

YanksFanSince78
4 years 6 months ago

I sort of agree about Cashman and his situation. He get’s almost zero credit for the Yanks success and all the blame when they fail to win. I don’t see him being interested in a “tight wad” small market team but certainly a mid-size/larger market team with some media coverage to them.

Angels (especially if Reagin’s gambles fail and the Angels don’t make the playoffs)

Astros (No problem hovering around 80-100 mil. Major market. Winnable division. A complete mess of a farm that would allow him to rebuild from the bottom up. Expiring contracts like Lee coming off soon. Wade signed thru 2012).

Cubs- Major market. Willing to spend enough on the draft and can supplement with check book as needed. WInnable market. Ultimate challenge to bring a WS to the along suffering fan base. WOULD MAKE HIM LOOK GREAT IN HISTORICAL FASHION.

Dodgers- Big market. Can spend. Knows Mattingly quite well. Good press,fan base, Torre likes him and would probably put in a good word.

Giants- If Sabean is promoter to President of Ops I could see Cashman being brought in. They are good friends. Nice sized market, great fan base. Great history. Big enough to spend but relys on homwgrown talent too.

Orioles- Don’t currently have a GM. He went to school in DC. Might enjoy building a winner among the atmosphere of the Yanks and Sox. Nice sized market and they can afford to spend $100 mil or so.

Reds- Went to HS in Lexington, KY. May have followed the Reds? A small market team with ability to spend 75 mil in a winnable division.

Tigers- Nice sized market. Lots of money coming off books and a farm with a couple of pieces in it. Big media market but not glaring and white hot like NY or Boston.

White Sox- Only if Guillen is gone too. Big media market, spends money, would be loved if he brought WS rings to a city deprived of one since 2005 and 80+ years before that.

Indians- Only if Dolans agreed to a consistent budget for the payroll in advance.

mstrchef13
4 years 6 months ago

The Orioles don’t currently have a GM? I think Andy MacPhail would be surprised to hear that.

YanksFanSince78
4 years 6 months ago

Really? He doesn’t know his own title? It’s President of Baseball Operations.

He HANDLES GM duties, but most teams have a President Ops/CEO, GM, etc

TheFakeSting
4 years 6 months ago

Apparently Cash Man is only a G.M. in title because its obvious Hank is making the baseball decisions.

YanksFanSince78
4 years 6 months ago

Yanks Hank makes all the decisions…Shut up.

TheFakeSting
4 years 6 months ago

Thought that’s what I said. I’ll ignore the last part of your comment.

YanksFanSince78
4 years 6 months ago

Actually what I meant was a sarcastic “Yeah….Hank makes all the decisions”.

Cashman has had stuff shoved down his throat (see Arod, Soriano) but he’s still the GM.

baseball33
4 years 6 months ago

..

Smrtbusnisman04
4 years 6 months ago

The Reds have Walt Jocketty and the O’s have Macphail.

1) Tigers- David’s contract is up this year.
2) Mariners- Zurdenick came under criticism last year and may be on the hot spot.
3) Pirates- Huntington’s contract is up this year, though the Pirates Owners have had no problem with Neil’s moves (he has rebuilt their farm teams) and Cashman would probably be too expensive.

4) Angels- for your same reasons

YanksFanSince78
4 years 6 months ago

Even w/ Fontenot and Sandoval @ 3b and Torres, Burrel, Roos, Rowand, Schierholtz in the OF?

muskyfish
4 years 6 months ago

Trading Joe now = big mistake. Not saying he wouldn’t/shouldn’t get dealt eventually, but what’s the rush??? A few of his interesting numbers over the last couple years include…..

– A career 3.93 era at Citizen’s bank park.
– 194+ innings in every season leading up to last year.
– During his time in Philly, he has been substantially better during the second half, including a 3.48 era last year.

Has he pitched well enough overall for his current salary? Probably a resounding no. But, the Phils spent all this money to put together the makings of an All-Time rotation. I really don’t think now is the time to get cheap and chance killing that dream by getting rid of the best insurance policy they have. With a bit more consistency, his overall success will become more in-line with his recent splits. With a major adjustment or two, perhaps he still even hits that potential he once had.

YanksFanSince78
4 years 6 months ago

I definetly understand your desire to have depth and they should probably not throw him away just as a salary dump.

I think the Phills lineup is a little shakey to me.

Rollins
Victorino
Utley
Howard
Ibanez
Polanco
Francisco
Feliz
Pitcher

Still a top 5 offense and they don’t need to win 8 to 6 run games anymore but very shakey set up guys in Victorino and ROllins and the punch falls off after Howard.

4 years 6 months ago

Rollins – Started hot injuries derailed his season.
Polanco – Had bone spurs in his elbow from April – on and still managed to hit .296.
Utley – Serious hand injury during a hot streak in June.
Howard – Serious Ankle injury that affected his swing.
Ibanez – Carried the team in the second half. Horrible first half.
Victorino – A little too home run happy.
Fransisco/Brown – Fransisco has shown pop since being aquired and brown is one of the top 10 prospects in all of baseball.
Ruiz – Hit .300 in the 8th spot.

Last year was an aboration. They didn’t hit in the playoffs because the Giants bullpen shut them down and the Reds have better pitching than a lot of people thin,k. They were the best team in baseball in the second half besides their pitching and still finished second in runs scored despite all of their position players missing time besides Werth and Ibanez.

YanksFanSince78
4 years 6 months ago

Wow……did I say the Phillies were a bad team or did I say I am concerned with their ability to consistently score runs? I think I pretty much showed how overall RUN scored rankings can be a little decieving.

4 years 6 months ago

You didn’t say they were bad I was just saying why I wouldn’t be concerned about them. Sorry if I came off as attacking you.

baseball33
4 years 6 months ago

Testing 1,2

DelawareTikiGod
4 years 6 months ago

Rumor mill in Philly – Since the 08 postseason, Blanton has intrigued as a possible late inning reliever. Could be they’re considering him as a potential fill in or compliment to Lidge/Madson. Same manager moved Myers to the pen….

YanksFanSince78
4 years 6 months ago

But I also think that 75% of those moves he doesn’t attempt to make with other teams because they are not under the same circumstance. Most GMs can afford to rebuild. The Yanks won’t allow that. So if you need pitching and Carl Pavano is the best on the market back in 2005 then guess what? He becomes a Yankee based on his recent history, whereas a team allowed to work a 5 year plan doesn’t make that same risk move.

4 years 6 months ago

And what would the Phillies do with Montero if that completely absurd scenario goes down? He’s destined for a 1B/DH role. The guy won’t cut it as a catcher….

East Coast Bias
4 years 6 months ago

Haha not as much of a joke as your post is. Remember, we only needed 3 pitchers to win the world series (and playoffs, that year). I’d rather wait for Pettitte than trade for Blanton… that’s with full cognizance Pettitte may retire.

YanksFanSince78
4 years 6 months ago

Yanks are not trading Montero for Blanton. The Yanks, and most teams w/ a good farm, probably wouldn’t give up a top 5 prospect for him neither.

4 years 6 months ago

Well, I think it’s safe to say that Montero isn’t being traded for Joe Blanton, in any case.

I’ve only seen him catch a handful of games, but he really did look as awful as the scouts are claiming.

And Jeter, whether it happens or not, would be better off playing a less demanding position. Never once heard that about Utley though….

East Coast Bias
4 years 6 months ago

Cool.

I have no idea what you’re talking about… but my point was that there is absolutely no way that the highly touted prospect that was offered for Cliff Lee gets offered for Joe Blanton. Lee is an ace on any team besides Philly and SF. Blanton is a 5th starter. That’s it.

EDIT: Actually, on Pettitte – I’m not all into his marital relationship like you are, as creepy as that is. LOL! I think the reason Pettitte is not joining the Yankees is because he doesn’t want to be a distraction while he is involved in the ugly upcoming trial of Clemens. LOL! Once the trial ends, or his involvement in it ends, you never know – he could come back midseason. LOL! Know what I’m saying? LOL!

YanksFanSince78
4 years 6 months ago

WTF? He left for the Astros because Cashman didn’t pony up the money because the Yanks knew he had elbow problems (which he did and missed a large chunk of a year). Pettitte has not officialy retired and if there were any reason why he didn’t come back it’s because of the Clemens trial. If he were retiring then I think he would’ve just said so.

YanksFanSince78
4 years 6 months ago

The guy is 20 yo old. Piazza wasn’t any better when he came up.

YanksFanSince78
4 years 6 months ago

Yanks have at least 7 decent to above average pitching prospects @ AA or higher and 3-4 below AA-low A. What they lack are great hitting power prospects. If Montero were to be traded it’s going to be for a true front line starter. Not even a Chris Carpenter type would be enough and that’s regardless of how “desperate” they might be in July.

4 years 6 months ago

Throwing someone in with Blanton still doesn’t make sense for Montero. The Yankees farm is pretty good, actually. So again, the Phillies would essentially be trading Blanton and a prospect for another prospect that they don’t have a spot for, in order to package him off for something the Phillies need. If you think the Phillies can get something as substantial as Montero for Blanton + prospect, why not just send Blanton + prospect to a team in return for whatever the Phillies need?

Again, no team in their right mind is going to fork over a prospect and take on Blanton’s salary….

YanksFanSince78
4 years 6 months ago

That could be your opinion, doesn’t make it a fact.

Ppl say all Cashman does is write checks. Did anyone ever wonder why? It’s because he has a team with a mandate to win a WS every year and never has a 1st rnd pick that rarely picks higher than #25-#30.

You will almost NEVER hear of the Yanks rebuilding, taking two steps back so they can retool and competer in 4 years. It’s because he doesn’t have the luxury of being a sub 90 win team for 3 or 4 years. You will NEVER see the Yanks trade a Roy Halladay, Cliff Lee or Miguel Cabrera. Yanks are always buyers and went those players don’t do what they were brought into do then you trade or bring in someone else to do that job as well.

Put him on a team that gives him complete control of the drafting, allows him to trade aging vets for prospects, frees his hands to let “iconic” players go and doesn’t have to worry about trying to win a WS every year and then you can give an honest evaluation of how good or bad he is.

There’s maybe 1 other GM that has a clue as to what Cashman has to endure each year and that’s Theo. Maybe the Met’s GMs can understand but even they don’t have the same drive mandates that Cash and Theo do.

TheFakeSting
4 years 6 months ago

I agree 100%. Put Cash Man in KC or Pittsburgh with their payroll, he would become the poster boy for failure. His plan to fix both teams would be trade for Fielder, sign Pujols, try to talk Andy out of retirement, then sign Manny to a 10 year 200 million deal because Boras scares him into a deal, and finally cave in to Damon….then wonder why the owners are laughing at him. “But in New York I was allowed to…
.”

BoSoxSam
4 years 6 months ago

Disagree. I think he’s made a lot of good moves. The Javier Vazquez trade, if Vazquez performed (whether his breakdown was predictable or not is debatable) up to expectations, was a pretty great trade for Cashman. I think he’s done quite a good job. He’ll have a totally different set of challenges with a small market team as well, so you can’t easily predict how he would do in that situation.

4 years 6 months ago

Why wouldn’t most teams give up a top 5 for Blanton at the trading deadline? What do you think is fair value for a guy who’s going to give you 200 innings and an era under 4.50? If not a top 5 then atleast 2-3 top 15 guys?

Since_77
4 years 6 months ago

You have to believe that it is only a matter of time before the Yankees make a pitch for Wandy Rodriquez. He has not signed yet and he is a free agent at the end of the year.

Joe Blanton or Wandy Rodriquez. I prefer Rodriquez

4 years 6 months ago

Dude, I’m not a scout. I just go by what they say, and the majority of them are pretty confident that he won’t stick at catcher….It’s not really based on his ‘rawness’ either, it’s his lack of ability to call a good game.

BoSoxSam
4 years 6 months ago

I actually agree, I just didn’t want to make it look like I was going overboard. :)

Yes, and that 6-7 prospect deal was nowhere near enough for the M’s. Honestly, I think only a team like the Rays, with their immense amount of young talent, both prospects and MLB-ready, would have the right deal for Felix…

YanksFanSince78
4 years 6 months ago

You are insane. IF…..IF…..IF….the M’s were to put Felix on the market they would in no way shape or form expect a package of…

Hughes (24 yo high ceiling pitcher w/ mlb success) + Montero (#1 rated hitter even if he might suck @ C and move to 1B or DH) + Gardner (no big deal but a good player) + Betances + Banuelos + Brackman.

While there are few comparable trades of a guy like Felix we would all be hard pressed to find a trade like that that has ever been done in baseball history.

And I really have a hard time imagining Theo actually making that offer.

tiger313
4 years 6 months ago

Imagine the trade chips the rays will have after this years draft. And imagine King Felix’s numbers if he played for a team that gave him any kind of run support. How do you lose 13 games with a 2.30 ERA?

TheFakeSting
4 years 6 months ago

Trying to say he has no idea what the real world is like outside of New York.

YanksFanSince78
4 years 6 months ago

Yes. They had the #1 offense in 2008 and 2009. They are still probably a top 5 offense (#2 in 2010 and now they’ve lost Werth) in 2011. So, not sure what you don’t understand.

Phillies are a lot like the Yanks in some ways. Sure, at the end of the year they are ranked among the best, if not #1, in runs scored, but a lot of their losses were games lost with 3-2 scores where they failed to produce runs.

Phillies had 75 games in 2010 where they scored 3 runs or less. In those 75 games they were 25-50 (baseball-reference box scores). In comparison, the Astrons who had the 2nd worst offense in the NL and scored 160 fewer runs than the Phillies (#2 overall) had 84 games where they scored 3 runs or less which is only 9 more games more than the Phillies. Phillies had a stretch of 12 games where they couldn’t score more than 3 runs and another stretch of 10 of 12 games like that too.

So understand now? Now take away Werth’s contributions and while they total a lot of runs over 162 games, they DID struggle mightly last year to score enough games to win. When they did win a lot of those games were blowouts. They were 49-1 in games where they scored more than 7 runs. Can they reproduce that again?

Break it down further…

97 wins, 65 losses

49 of 97 wins they scored 7+ runs= 50% of victories @ 7 + runs
50 of 65 losses where they scored 3 runs or less= 77% of losses @ 3- runs or less

4 years 6 months ago

Recently I’ve been defending Cashman against a lot of people trashing him, but I do have a few issues with these particular arguments.

In regards to the Yankees draft slot, rarely are GMs lauded for their first round picks. First rounders have a relatively high success rate, and even when they don’t pan out it’s hard to blame the GM because most people agreed on the potential upside (hence the fact they were 1st rounders). It’s after the “sure things” (I use that loosely because the attrition rate is still very high) that the scavenging for draft value starts.

I also don’t think working for a team with a high payroll and who are almost always “buyers” makes it so much more difficult to be seen as a good GM, which seems to be what you’re implying. Regardless of one’s personal opinion on him, Theo Epstein is almost universally regarded as an excellent (if not one of the best) GM, and he’s the one you specifically cited as comparable.

It’s just a different system… instead of looking for ways to trade aging stars for young talent, a GM of a large market team needs to try and trade young talent they’re not as sure will pan out for MLB players, make shrewd depth moves and 1-year deals, find value deeper in the draft and evaluate free agent talent well so as not to be stuck with ineffective players on long term deals.

YanksFanSince78
4 years 6 months ago

No actually, it’s more to do with size and his footwork. He has a great arm but he doesn’t block balls in the dirt very well and he has to work on his release on throw outs. His game calling isn’t an issue since most of the calls come from the manager anyway and the same goes in the minors.

I’m not attacking you but at least know the issues.

4 years 6 months ago

Chris Carpenter not a front line starter? What?

The Yankees were willing to part with Montero for Lee, and while Lee is better and a little younger, Carpenter is more than just a half-year rental since he has an option that the Yankees could easily exercise.

I am Urban Legend
4 years 6 months ago

considering the majority of base-runners steal on the pitcher, the arm is somewhat negated if the pitcher doesnt have an andy pettite penchant for keeping runners on 1B.

throwing runners out is a tricky way of judging a catcher since there are 4-5 different factors that affect whether the catcher throws the runner out.

1 – the pitcher’s ability to keep the runner from getting too comfortable and getting a big lead.
2 – the runner’s ability to judge exactly when the pitcher is going to go to the plate.
3 – the type of pitch, speed of pitch, location of pitch.
4 – the infielder’s ability to receive the throw from the catcher.
5 – the situation. if the score is 10-3, 4th inning and there are runners on 1st and 3rd, the catcher may just let the runner steal 2nd.
6 – finally, the throw itself

Muggi
4 years 6 months ago

I think we need to establish what is meant by “game-calling”. If referring to IBB’s, pitchouts, etc then yes that comes from the manager, but that’s less than half what I would consider game-calling…pitch selection and establishing synchronicity with the pitcher is most of the job, and that’s got nothing to do with the manager. That’s been questioned with Montero.

4 years 6 months ago

Did you just say that the Rays may be willing to move Evan Longoria, who’s widely considered the most valuable player in the game right now(contract figured in and all), for Montero, a guy who’s yet to play past A ball, and a ‘couple of good arms?’ If the Rays made him available, you don’t think there’d be a team who could top THAT? And listen to yourself, you’re talking about trading Montero from the PHILLIES to the Rays when Montero is still a Yankee and has no chance of being on the Phillies in 2011….

Longoria isn’t happy with his contract, where did you read this? And even if that’s the case, he most certainly would play the contract out….

Out of curiosity, you’re the same guy who was going on and on about how realistic it would be for the Phillies to trade Ryan Howard for Albert Pujols if the Cardinals don’t extend him, right? And if you are, I remember you saying it would be realistic for Sabathia to opt out of his contract after the 2011 season and join the Phillies in the same thread….

So in conclusion, me thinks you’ve been just a TAD bit spoiled by mega deals in recent years…..

YanksFanSince78
4 years 6 months ago

Huh? What? How did Longo and the Rays get into the conversation?

4 years 6 months ago

“but they might move Longoria for Montero”

You have lost all credibility with this asinine statement.

Good day sir.

4 years 6 months ago

“What do you think is fair value for a guy who’s going to give you 200 innings and an era under 4.50″

First off, don’t act as if it’s a given he’d give any team an ERA under 4.50. But you do know that a 4.50 ERA is roughly league average, right? So why would ANY team give up a top 5 prospect, or two top 15 prospects, as well as assume the remainder of his salary for a league average starter? If Blanton is moved, he’s moved for salary relief. He’s not going to bring anything back in return, POSSIBLY a fringe prospect or something.

YanksFanSince78
4 years 6 months ago

It’s tough to find comparisons like Blanton but I’ll do it this way first.

Comparable pitchers traded recently and their “take”. Keep in mind that Blanton is owed 2/$17 mil so those traded as a rental with less money owed is more of an incentive to the receiving team. If a team trades for Blanton AND pays all of his salary then the Phills get less in return.

IND/Pads – Jake Westbrook for Corey Kluber

BA didn’t have Kluber ranked as a top 10 (Dec,09). John Sickles didn’t have him top 20 (Dec, 09)

BETTER pitchers that were traded for a top 5 org prospect and not much more.

Edwin Jackson for Daniel Hudson (#3 by BA) and David Holmberg #8 by BA)

Cliff Lee for Phillipe Aumont (#3 by BA), JC Ramirez,(#5 by BA) and Tyson Gilles (Not ranked)

Matt Garza for Chris Archer (#1 by BA), Hak-Ju Lee(#4 by BA), Brandon Guyer (#10 by BA) and Robinson Chirinos

Those guys warranted top 10 prospects because they were that good. They were also a LOT less expensive than Blanton.

ANy fool can make a bad trade (see Reagins/Wells) but I can’t see any team give up a top 5 prospect for Blanton unless the farm is soooooo bad where that prospect wouldn’t even be a top 100-150 on a national list.

Since_77
4 years 6 months ago

You could sign Kevin Millwood instead of giving up prospects. On a good team he would give you the same production (4.50 ERA with close to 200 ip and 10 wins) as Blanton.

YanksFanSince78
4 years 6 months ago

What’s your point? I never said Montero was a good catcher. I pointed out what his his negatives were which is size and need to become more mobile and his footwork on his throwouts which is important because he has a great arm.

YanksFanSince78
4 years 6 months ago

Yes, he is owed $15 mil in 2011 and $15 mil in 2012. That DOES NOT factor into to it seeing as how the Yanks have to flip that bill not the Cards. Not saying he won’t command a package of good prospects but I can almost guarantee it would not include Montero.

YanksFanSince78
4 years 6 months ago

And while I have no idea what “FREE AEC” is talking about, Montero played all of 2010 @ AAA. So he is way beyond a A ball player.

4 years 6 months ago

Montero is currently in AAA, not A.

4 years 6 months ago

No, I didn’t forget Singleton. I said ‘a guy who’s never played above A ball’, which was Singleton. And no chance in hell anyone in their right mind would call him one of the top 5 prospects in the game. Do you want me to list, perhaps say…….20 offensive players who are routinely ranked above Singleton? Singleton is definitely one of the top 5 best Phillies prospects, but in the game? Again, he hasn’t even played above A ball where he put up a .872 OPS in 104 games, which is good…..but not NEARLY enough to be called a top 5 prospect. Montero is probably a top 5 prospect though….

And how does he project to be Justin Upton,, David Wright, and Jason Heyward? The kid plays 1B…..although he’s gonna have to find a new position if he remains with the Phillies.

Him may or may not hating B.J. Upton isn’t going to influence anything, and I’ve yet to hear anything about him being dissastisfied with his contract(although with as little as he’s being payed, I wouldn’t be shocked).

4 years 6 months ago

That absolutely factors into it because he’s an ace with an entire additional year of guaranteed service, even if the Yankees have to pay it. It’s not like it’s an outrageous price.

If Carpenter continues to pitch the way he has the past two years, I can almost guarantee a player of Montero’s caliber is in the package for a Carpenter trade at the deadline or the Cardinals hang up the phone fast.

4 years 6 months ago

You don’t already know? The Phillies are gonna trade Joe Blanton and a pitching prospect to the Yankees for Jesus Montero, while the Yankees assume Blanton’s salary. Then the Phillies are going to turn around and trade Montero, Singleton, and two arms to the Rays for Evan Longoria. It’s simple….

Since_77
4 years 6 months ago

I agree. Freddy Garcia and Kevin Millwood are free agents. They can put up comparable stats as Blanton.

YanksFanSince78
4 years 6 months ago

What I meant was “And while I have no idea what “FREE AEC” is talking about, STOP…… DIRECTED TOWARDS ANTHONY “Montero played all of 2010 @ AAA. So he is way beyond a A ball player”.

YanksFanSince78
4 years 6 months ago

Ok, I see. Your logic eludes me though. Longo isn’t going anywhere.

4 years 6 months ago

Actually Fransisco is going to platoon with Brown unless Brown is ridiculously good in spring training and Fransisco isn’t.

YanksFanSince78
4 years 6 months ago

Wow….just wow. I didn’t say they were bad. I said that they had trouble scoring runs and Werth was a major contributor for them. I said I thought the lineup w/o him was a little shakey. How that went to all this hub bub is beyond me.

I said, that like the Yanks, they can explode for runs and score them in bunches (see 10-7 scores) but then struggle to score runs in other games. They have a top 5 offense (#2 last year) but I showed how that can be misleading. If Brown doesn’t perform like expected (not sure how you can expect him to drive in 100 runs in his 1st year) then they could lose a lot of 2-1 games regardless of how great the staff is.

tiger313
4 years 6 months ago

Except he was part of trade talks for lee this trade deadline.

YanksFanSince78
4 years 6 months ago

Haha…CLiff Lee at $7 mil was a dump? It was a bad return but it was far from a dump. A dump is when one team is simply looking to save money. If you use logic and agree that Lee is better than Blanton and Lee was cheeper than Blanton then why would Blanton net anything better than what Lee got them?

Edwin Jackson IS better than Blanton…

EJ- 4.28 FIP in 2009, 3.86 in 2010 w/ over 200 IP in each w/ power pitching.
JB-4.45 FIP in 2009, 4.34 in 2010 w/ 195 IP in ’09 and 175 in ’10 w/ finesse pitching.

Also, EJ was owed 2/$12.5 when traded. Blanton is due 2/$17 mil.

Ej was better than Blanton when he was traded and is better than Blanton now..

Most “experts” say that Tampa got a great haul in return for Garza and according to John Sickels updated list for the Rays, Archer ranks #5 and Hak Ju #10 among their top 20 prospects, and that’s on one of the top 2 or 3 farms in baseball.

I have no idea if Garza was a “cancer”. That’s a term over used. This is not a catholic HS team where that matters. I doubt he’s more of a cancer than Upton and he was traded for Young, who was a cancer, but also highly touted. Clearly, I think economics were more of an issue for the trade.

Also, I’M NOT KNOCKING the Phills system, but according to most, the system is quite then up top considering all the prospects traded to acuire Lee, Halladay and Oswalt. Sickles has them with 6 prospects with a rating better than a C+ and all but 1 of them (Brown) has EVER played above A+. In fact other than Brown, only May has played at A+.

So basically, just about everything you said is sort of incorrect.

YanksFanSince78
4 years 6 months ago

Ok, when you say a “player of Montero’s caliber” you are saying one of the top 5 prospects in baseball.

In the conversation as a top 5-10 prospect: Montero, Dom Brown, Wil Myers, Eric Hosmer, Brandon Belt, Freddie Freeman, Dustin Ackley, Matt Moore, Mike Pineda, Chris Sale,Mike Minor, Kyle Drabek, Manny Machado, Mike Moustakas, Mike Trout, Bryce Harper, Jeremy Hellickson, Aoldis Chapman, Desmond Jennings.

Can you see any of those being included in a deal for Carpenter?

I never said he could be acquired for garbage. I could see the Yanks offering one of Brackman/Betances + David Adams + JR Murphy but no Montero included.

4 years 6 months ago

I never accused you of saying he could be acquired for garbage. And yes, if it was a 1-for-1 or a headliner and spare parts, I can absolutely see a 5-10 prospect for a year and a half of a legit ace.

If the Yankees offered 2-3 of their other top 7 or so prospects perhaps they could overlook Montero. I really don’t see that package you offered getting it done.

YanksFanSince78
4 years 6 months ago

My point was that Cashman has made moves according to a win now manadate. Does anyone, thinking clearly, think that Cashman makes as many moves as he does if he has the comfort to execute a 5 year plan and make moves strategicaly? GOD FORBID anything happens to CC, does anyone doubt he would move heaven and earth to replace him? DOes anyone with a solid medulla oblongota think that Cashman would’ve traded for Vazquez last year if he weren’t dead set on a 2010 repeat? Does anyone honestly think he would offer Lee $148 mil at age 32 or contemplate Pavano 2.0 after Lee turned them down if he didn’t have a gun to his head to return the Yanks to the WS after being booted out by the Rangers?

As for the draft picks. The entire Rays team is predicated on good drafting and I’m sure the “man crush” will continue this year after Friedman uses his 10 draft picks.

Here let me work out this plan. Your boss tells you you’re broke and you can’t afford to resign Soriano, Pena, Crawford, Balfour, Wheeler, and whoever else. Ok I’ll offer arbitration which I know they will decline. I have little money to sign any type A’s so I keep my own pick as well.

Let’s see…..I’ll draft…. Francisco Linder, Zach Cone, Ryan Carpenter, Zach McPhee, Alex Dickerson, Harold Martinez, Christian Lopes, Dylan Maples, Peter O’Brien and for the heck of it, I’ll draft Davey Lope’s son Christian because I love th blood lines. Then if one of the many hyped top 10 guys slip down I’ll probably take a chance at one of them too. Now call me a genius!!

As for Cashman, he’s had several years (2001 and 2002 I think, 2006 or 2007 and probably this year) where he’s had a top 10 farm. He did that w/o being among the top 10 teams in spending on draft bonuses (despite the lies that they do so). And he did it w/o ever picking inside the top 10 which, while no guarantee, is like shooting fish in a barrel. You need good scouting but c’mon.

It’s not something that will be proven or disproven until it happens, and I have no reason to kiss Cashmans @ss, but put him in a market where…

a) He doesn’t have 4 bosses (George, Hank, Hal and Randy Levine plus a contingent of advisors and cross checkers in Tampa) who dissect every thought and impose their desires whenever they conflict with Cashman and his scouts.

c) Doesn’t have the mandate that anything short of a WS win is failure.

d) Will spend on elite talent when the moment is appropriate.

And I’m 80% sure Cashman would do a good job. Why?

a) He can afford to take steps backwards to take steps forward.

b) He can afford to allow his young players to go threw growing pains (see Austin Jackson, Ian Kennedy, Joba Chamberlain)

c) The win now attitude won’t make it urgent to trade prospects for vets to fill short term needs (see Jose Tabata, Arodis Vizcaino, Mark Melancon, etc)

d) He won’t have to overpay for players productive years knowing that the tail end of the contract will cover declining years too (if they signed Cliff Lee, see Tex)

e) While he might have his own “faces of the fanchize” he won’t have to extend aging icons like Jeter because of their marketing value (read the article listed in the headline by Madden). I’m a Jeter fan and I know what that was about.

f) He won’t have bad ideas like Arod’s extension shoved down his throat or the Soriano signing (even though I was and am an advocate for the signing but not the dollars).

Steve_in_MA
4 years 6 months ago

Are you serious? First rounders have an abysmal success rate. Less than 1 in 10 even become MLB journeymen, much less superstars. Maybe 1 in 60 1st round picks turn out to be a Josh Hamilton or Joey Votto. Obviously, lower round picks have an even lesser success rate. It is hugely important as to how a 1st round pick is used, and that is the essence of how a GM’s talent evaluation skill is judged. Cashman has built a top 10 farm system with just a few 1st round picks and the constant losing of talent off the farm for “win now” talent.

Cashman, Friedman, Daniels and Moore have each proven to be superlative talent evaluators. Theo is probably second tier, but certainly in the top 10. Sabean as well. Cashman is, by far, the best at getting the deal done when it needs to be done. He’s proven that time and again. I don’t understand how anyone can think he hasn’t earned his stripes as the best.

YanksFanSince78
4 years 6 months ago

Vazuez failure had nothing to do with NY as much as it did a tired arm in 2004 and a loss of mph on his fastball in 2010.

2004 1st half -18 starts with a 3.56 ERA. 2nd half- 14 starts 6.96 ERA

Did he suddenly remember at the all-star break that he was pitching in NY?

Moving from Atlanta to NY doesn’t cause your FB to go from 92 mph to 88 mph.

You can say that he sucks under big game pressure but I think there was more to it than the Rick RHoden factor.

YanksFanSince78
4 years 6 months ago

They scored a lot of runs YES.

They lost a lot of games because they couldn’t score more than 3 runs YES.

A team can go on a 10 game road trip and score 50 runs.

If they score 10, 13, 1, 2, 1, 9, 2, 9, 0, 3 they could easily go 4-6 even if they had great pitching and the team did average 5 runs scored per game. The Yanks have been guilty of the same thing as well so it’s not a biased statement.

Both the Yanks and Phils have relied on HR hitting and when those balls are not flying over the fence they can struggle to score. The Phillies are not really a team that manufactures runs.

Ryan Howard’s walks have dropped for 5 consecutive years from 108, 107, 81, 75 and 59.

Rollins is not an elite leadoff guy anymore probably due to injuries.

Chase has seen his OPS dip 4 straight years but as long as he’s healthy he should be ok.

Ibanez is far from a 30 hr hitter anymore and he struggles vs lefties.

If I’m an opposing pitcher there’s no way I throw Howard a strike if Ibanez is hitting behind him.

AGAIN, not knocking them, I just wished they could’ve added another bat in the lineup. I like Francisco from his days in Cleveland but who knows what he’ll give you?

4 years 6 months ago

You responded to my post but it doesn’t seem like you’re really addressing the things I said… my whole point was about how GMs of large market teams are evaluated differently but can still be considered good or bad based on that system (and I’m not saying I think Cashman is bad, for the record).

Why would a team with that large of a payroll ever not be set on a World Series appearance? Cashman isn’t the only GM operating under that mindset.

“DOes anyone with a solid medulla oblongota think that Cashman would’ve traded for Vazquez last year if he weren’t dead set on a 2010 repeat?” … Yes, yes I do, and why shouldn’t he be set on a repeat? They didn’t give up a ton (it was pretty much best case scenario how well Vizcaino has progressed) and while some regression was expected, Vazquez has been a decent to very good major league starter who throws a lot of innings.

“Does anyone honestly think he would offer Lee $148 mil at age 32 … if he didn’t have a gun to his head to return the Yanks to the WS after being booted out by the Rangers?” … Yes! No doubt in my mind whatsoever. When you have a team with a payroll that can absorb overpays at the back end of contracts, why on earth would you not go after a dominant free-agent starter, especially when you have a relatively thin rotation?

I’m not sure what you’re trying to say about the Rays, either. Yes, they’ve had a lot of early picks in the past, but they’ve also found some real gems later on (Jennings: 10th round, Jaso: 12th round, Hellickson: 4th round among others) and the draft is only one reason they’re so highly regarded.

Do you really want Cashman to execute a “5-year plan” that has them not competing for a world series some years instead of staying competitive every year? Yes, if a team (usually large market teams) wants to do that, they have to trade away young talent and overpay for big free agents. But they can afford to do it.

It seems like you’re saying the owners are telling Cashman “You have to win right now!” and that Cashman’s reaction to that has been him making some crappy trades and signings. In my mind, that puts the responsibility on Cashman. I don’t blame the ownership for expecting to win with that much money. I don’t think Cashman believed Vazquez was a garbage trade, or he would have targeted someone else. He gambled on it, and he lost. These are the kinds of things a large market GM is evaluated on.

All in all I guess it boils down to what you said your point was: “Cashman has made moves according to a win now mandate”. But having a win-now mandate doesn’t = a GM making crappy moves. You can make good moves with a win-now mandate, and bad ones. Just having that mandate doesn’t make it impossible to be seen as a good GM.

YanksFanSince78
4 years 6 months ago

The Yankees spend money BECAUSE of the expectations not the other way around. It’s not like it’s “Cashman you’ve spent $200 m il you better win or I’ll take away your bank book”. Instead it’s BECAUSE he is pressed to win he MUST spend because player development is too time consuming and too “iffy”.

And I never said his moves were crappy. Instead, they are risky and they are risky beause you have to go with what the market bares. If it weren’t for the need to compete next year would Cashman even bother to look at Pavano for 2011? Probably not if he were with so many other teams.

2008 was a good example. He had a rotation of Hughes, IPK and Joba. Ownership was impatient with their lack of progress and the next year they sign Sabathia and AJ.

Ppl seem to think that Cashman spends money because he doesn’t have the ability to construct a team any other way. I think it’s the opposite. Before 1996 there was no pressure to win now. The Boss was out of baseball and Gene Michaels had patience with the kids and brought them along slowly.

4 years 6 months ago

I think it would be foolish to think that one doesn’t feed into the other. The Yankees spend money because they expect to win, and the expect to win because they have a ton of money.

And I still don’t understand what you’re getting at with the “need to compete”. Player development is time consuming and iffy, yes. So why, if you have the means, would you not choose to spend in free agency? If your young starters are showing a “lack of progess”, and you have the means to sign frontline starters, why would you not?

Are you advocating that the Yankees should take some years to be not as competitive to allow for lots of development? Why do that when you can remain highly competitive and still have some development?

Yes, making moves is risky, and that’s the whole point. Cashman, as with all GMs, can be evaluated on whether he made the right bets. Vazquez was a bad one, Swisher was a good one. He’s not getting penalized for spending a lot of money, he just needs to make some shrewd moves to compliment the big signings.

YanksFanSince78
4 years 6 months ago

I’m not advocating the Yanks do anything differently except leave Cashman alone since he’s the guy they hired to be GM.

What I am saying is that Cashman as a Yankee GM would be almost a complete opposite as a GM for 28 other teams NOT BECAUSE he woudln’t have $200 mil to spend but because he would have a totally different game plan centered around player development and patience rather than high risk/short term high reward deals that he has made because of the urgency placed on winning now.

Because the expecations are different he can take his time growing a core and then making trades and better FA signings when needed. The signing of Soriano is a great example of how the owners wanted to spend this money this year vs Cashman who wanted to be more conservative.

The Cashman we know is all we’ve ever known because NY is the only place he’s ever worked. I’m not even advocating he’s one of the best. But the idea that he can only write a check is incorrect in my opinion.

Despite never having access to a top 10 pick, despite w/ the possible exception of 2010 because I haven’t seen a tally, the Yanks have never been among the top 8 spenders in the draft and a couple of players have been sacrificed for immediate needs he has had a farm system that has ranked top 10 3 years over the last 10. Imagine how much better the Pirates might be with Cashman overseeing the draft over the last 10-15 years? Aside from the last 4 years or so they have been horrible with their selections.

niched
4 years 6 months ago

But that’s really the the point. Yes, that would be an insane trade, but the Mariners have not “put Felix on the market”. They haven’t shown any desire to trade him. It is possible that it could take something like Zach Greinke plus Adrian Gonzalez in terms of the package of players required to get Felix. Felix Hernandez actually has a total higher career WAR than Robinson Cano, and he’s three years younger than Cano. He also has a higher career WAR than Cliff Lee, who is seven years older than him, and Zach Greinke, who is two years older than him. Felix Hernandez, if he stays healthy, has the potential be one of the greatest pitchers ever. So maybe if you did something like package Cano with Montero and another prospect, the Mariners could be tempted without the Yanks having to empty the farm. But the Mariners have never been the kind of team that thinks about selling its best players in a rebuild, especially a 24 year old superstar. That’s the reason it’ll be so hard and expensive (in terms of players) to tempt the Mariners.

4 years 6 months ago

Of course he would have a different game plan centered around player development. That’s what a GM of a smaller market team does. That doesn’t mean he’d be good at it. What actual evidence is there that he’d be more effective that way? You’re saying he hasn’t been able to go the player development route because the NY mentality hasn’t let him… so we haven’t seen it in action, but it will be good?

As for the draft, a huge part of the Yankees farm success has been their terrific international scouting department and ability to spend to get those guys signed. I have no real reason to believe Cashman would have done such an amazing job drafting with another team… again I’ll reiterate that GMs don’t get a lot of credit for their first round selections. The Yankees still get to pick in each round, and they should be trying to pick out the winners from later on. You even said that aside from the past 4 years, the picks have been horrible. But Cashman has been around a lot longer than that, so why aren’t you blaming him for those previous crappy picks?

$1519287
4 years 6 months ago

Cash doesn’t make the picks really as much as the scount director does. He can over rule but the gm doesn’t have the time to scout every player like the scouting director does. Damon Oppenheimer is the man behind the drafts for the yankees.

YanksFanSince78
4 years 6 months ago

a) Cashman has not had complete autonomy of the draft until 2005. Since heading those drafts he’s picked major leaguers like: Joba, Gardner, Austin Jackson, IPK, David Robertson, Mark Melancon as well as top prospects Betances, Brackman, Romine, etc.

b) Lot easier to draft high caliber players when you pick among the top 10 players of each draft class. If you look at the majority of the top players the Rays have had they are all top10 picks (Hamilton, Price, Longo, Young (traded for Garza), Upton). They have had some later round picks that were good as well but you don’t find too many David Price’s, Longo’s, etc in the 2nd or 3rd rounds, let alone with the 30th pick overall.

c) Cashman has shown he can put together a strong farm w/o outspending other teams (Yanks rarely have ranked top 10 in bonuses over the past 10 years) and while they do spend in the international game, so does everyone else and w/ the exception of Montero and Sanchez they haven’t handed out bonuses over $1mil to too many others. The bonuses for Sanchez and Montero aren’t even the top bonuses handed out.

1. Michael Ynoa 2008 RHP Athletics $4.25 million
2. Miguel Sano 2009 SS Twins $3.15 million
3. Gary Sanchez 2009 C Yankees $3 million
4. Adonis Cardona 010 RHP Blue Jays $2.8 million
5. Ariel Ovando 2010 OF Astros $2.6 million
6. Rafael Rodriguez 2008 OF Giants $2.55 million
7. Yorman Rodriguez 2008 OF Reds $2.5 million
8. Wily Mo Pena 1999 OF Yankees $2.44 million
9. Joel Guzman 2001 SS Dodgers $2.255 million
10. Byung-Hyun Kim 1999 RHP Diamondbacks $2.25 million
T-11. Phillips Castillo 2010 OF Mariners $2.2 million
T-11. Chin-Hui Tsao1999 RHP Rockies $2.2 million
T-11. Renato Nunez 2010 3B Athletics $2.2 million
14. Angel Villalona2006 3BGiants $2.1 million
T-15. Guillermo Pimentel 2009 OF Mariners $2 million
T-15. Adys Portillo 2008 OFPadres $2 million
T-15. Juan Duran 2008 OF Reds 16 $2 million

There is no reason to think he couldn’t develop a good farm system with any other team, but especially one with access to higher slots and a team dedicated to building slowly and allowing prospects to develop more.

The fact that we are arguing this point proves a contention of mine. That Cashman gets ZERO credit for anything he does and all the blame for that which goes wrong. I don’t see the profit in denying his ability to draft and sign young prospects.

4 years 6 months ago

Thanks for the info. My point wasn’t really about whether or not “Cashman” did or did not draft well, however. It was that if you’re going to give him credit for the good, you have to blame him for the bad.

Muggi
4 years 6 months ago

Millwood’s put up an ERA over 5 in 3 of the last 4 seasons, and he’s 36. Garcia has thrown more than 50 innings once in the last four years, and even then only gave 157; he’s also 34.

Blanton has never pitched fewer than 175, and in his worst season ever (last yr, first ever with an injury) he still produced more WAR than either of those guys. He just turned 30. I can understand when people consider him overpriced, but if he were on the FA market he’d have a hell of a lot more suitors than Millwood or Garcia are getting.

4 years 6 months ago

No, the fact that we are arguing doesn’t prove that point at all because I never said I thought Cashman was doing poorly and I’ve been specifically saying you have to take both the blame and the credit.

My main argument has been that large market and small market GMs are evaluated differently, but you still have to evaluate their body of work, and there isn’t any real evidence to suggest that mediocre big market GM X would become great small market GM X.

A GM only has so much involvement in the draft, and Cashman is, should be and has been largely evaluated on the big league level: trades, signings, who to bring up.

“…access to higher slots” – this does not make Cashman a better GM. Nor does it make him a bad one for having lower slots on the Yankees. It’s true of any GM. You don’t see people saying what a great job GM X did getting the first draft pick.

“you don’t find too many David Price’s, Longo’s, etc in the 2nd or 3rd rounds, let alone with the 30th pick overall” – First of all, this last part doesn’t make sense because the 30th pick is before the 2nd and 3rd rounds. And secondly, yes you do! You do all the time. That’s what’s so wonderful about the draft and why there are such things as better and worse scouting departments.

Steve_in_MA
4 years 6 months ago

The Mariners turned down a 7-prospect trade for King Felix and instead decided to sign him to an extension. What in God’s great name makes you think they’d bend over for merely 4 of the Yanks’ unproven prospects? Its just ridiculous.

They’d have to cough up proven MLB players, like Soriano, Gardner, plus prospects, to even sniff at him. Betances is not a prospect the Mariners would even want, despite his ranking. They’d want middle infield help and RH starting pitching. The Yanks don’t have top-level middle infield prospects, and their RH SP is weak, other than maybe Andrew Brackman.

A King Felix trade aint’t happening between the Mariners and Yanks, even if both of them wanted to do a deal. The Yanks would have to involve someone else who has all of the talent that the Mariners actually would want.