Josh Beckett’s Extension One Year Later

When Josh Beckett makes his first start of the season tomorrow, exactly one year will have passed since the Red Sox locked him up for $68MM over four years. Now Boston's fourth starter, Beckett is trying to recover from what was arguably the worst season of his ten-year career.


Poor performance and poor health turned Beckett from one of the most dependable starters in the league to one of the most perplexing. A lower back injury sent him to the disabled list and limited him to 21 starts, his lowest total since 2002. When he did pitch, the results weren't pretty. Of the 140 MLB pitchers who threw 100 innings last year, Beckett ranked 137th with a 5.78 ERA. 

Beckett would have been a free agent after last year if the Red Sox hadn't locked him up and it's easy to see why GM Theo Epstein and the Red Sox front office wanted to keep him in Boston. He was among American League leaders in a number of categories including strikeouts per nine innings (8.4 K/9), walks per nine innings (2.3 BB/9) and innings (212 1/3) in 2009 and was coming off of a season filled with personal bests. Plus, Beckett had a standout postseason record and was one of two pitchers in baseball to record at least 150 strikeouts every season from 2003-09.

His free agent stock would have tumbled after the 2010 season and he would have been lucky to sign for half of what Boston committed to him last April. Though interested teams would have liked Beckett's 93.5 mph fastball, 45.8% ground ball rate and typically strong strikeout and walk numbers (8.2 K/9, 3.2 BB/9), he would have represented a risky investment given his back injury and lackluster results.

Beckett has bounced back from disappointing seasons to prove doubters wrong before. He followed up his discouraging Boston debut with 20 wins and a second place finish in the 2007 Cy Young voting. And at 30 years of age, he is certainly not old. 

The extension kicks in this year (and will pay Beckett $15.75MM annually through 2014), so it's too early to label it a bust or a success. But one year after its completion, the contract looks like a definite overpay and the Red Sox are hoping Beckett rebounds once again.

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103 Responses to Josh Beckett’s Extension One Year Later Leave a Reply

  1. ugotrpk3113 4 years ago

    Most overrated pitcher in the MLB. It’s too bad they didn’t notice that earlier.

    • YanksFanSince78 4 years ago

      Wait for it….wait for it…….wait for it. After reading your comment why do I feel like the fat kid with the inner tube splashing in the water just before the “Jaws” music starts to play?

    • Just as Pedroia is the most overrated player in MLB!

      • MaineSox 4 years ago

        Not good news for Cano then since Pedroia has been worth 4 full WAR more than Cano in 100 less games since ’08.

        • Lunchbox45 4 years ago

          Is that true? It seems off..

          • MaineSox 4 years ago

            Sure is, check it out on fangraphs. From ’08-’10 Pedroia put up 14.9 WAR and Cano put up 10.9, while Pedroia played in 386 games and Cano played in 480.

        • YanksFanSince78 4 years ago

          Just putting it out there. I disagree with UZR numbers for IF’ers and that’s really the only knock against Cano. Somehow he’s always in the negative defensively even though he usuall ranks at #1 in all other counting defensive stats. Somehow, the “eyeball” findings of his range negatively effect his UZR.

          Interestingly, Jeter sucks at all the same stats that Cano leads. I can accept the findsing on Jeter because all the other stats reach the same conclusion. With Cano, can’t accept the findings.

          • notsureifsrs 4 years ago

            +/- liked him even less than UZR in 08 fwiw, but has liked him pretty well since then

      • The_Silver_Stacker 4 years ago

        Disagree, Grady Sizemore has to be the most overrated

    • MaineSox 4 years ago

      Between ’07 and ’09 only four pitchers put up more WAR, only two had better K/BB, and only one had a lower xFIP. One bad year (in which he spent a great deal of time injured) and all of a sudden the guy is overrated? The only way you could have overrated him from ’07-’09 would have been to say that he was the best pitcher in baseball; you could pretty easily have made a case that he was top 5 without overrating him.

      • notsureifsrs 4 years ago

        2010 wasn’t even that bad. the ERA scares everyone, but the only real differences were an increased walk rate, lowered strand rate, and high HR/FB and BABIP figures (bad luck). it came down to command, which for a pitcher is not hard to attribute to a weakened back

        his velocity and all of his peripherals were stable, so there’s really nothing to worry about with a healthy beckett. hopefully all the whining, though — and the seeming demotion to 4th starter — will serve as motivation

  2. YanksFanSince78 4 years ago

    I can honestly say that regardless of the warning signs, the Yanks would’ve gladly offered him the same contract. Power pitching ace types are just a rare breed on the free agent market.

    • Dave_Gershman 4 years ago

      Yeah. Not sure why people say he’s overrated. People get injured. When on, Beckett is one of the best around. Really good fastball and peripherals. He’ll be back

      • East Coast Bias 4 years ago

        I hope so. I missed out on good pitching in my draft and had to settle for the likes of Burnett and Beckett.

  3. notsureifsrs 4 years ago

    in the three full seasons prior to his injury in 2010, josh beckett produced 18.3 WAR

    in the three full seasons prior to 2011, jon lester has produced 17.1 WAR. verlander has produced 18.0. sabathia has produced 19.1 (and only two of those seasons were in the AL East)

    anyone who thinks beckett is overrated based on last year is too weird and wrong to even take seriously

    • YanksFanSince78 4 years ago

      I wish ppl would think that way with AJ. Last year was the extreme and not the norm for him.

      • notsureifsrs 4 years ago

        looks like i actually i included 2010 in beckett’s total by mistake. he was actually worth 16.9 from 07-09

        that means he was as good as lester has been and is a game behind verlander & sabathia (knocking him down a bit for the ridiculous run in milwaukee)

        a.j. on the other hand put up 11.6 WAR in his three full seasons prior to what we’ll call a mental injury in 2010

        his comparables from the last three years there are gavin floyd and – get this – josh beckett!

      • notsureifsrs 4 years ago

        but more to your point, yeah, a.j’s troubles have been blown out of proportion. even though his peripherals weren’t as stable as beckett’s and he didn’t have an injury excuse, he’s always been pretty volatile. and volatility means he can come roaring back to the tune of 5 WAR this season just as easily as he blew things up during the last one

        • YanksFanSince78 4 years ago

          Yeah, I get completely frustrated with AJ but if ppl really looked at him with some reason the three years prior to 2010 he was one of the top pitchers in the AL.

          GS-8th in the AL
          IP-8th in the AL
          FIP-16th in the AL
          xFIP-8th in the AL
          K/9-2nd in the AL
          GB%-4th in the AL
          BaBIP-9th in the AL (lowest)
          LOB %-12th in the AL (highest)
          WAR-12th in the AL
          HR/9-19th in the AL
          BB/9-31st in the AL

          The two obvious problems are his walks and HR/9. The HR/9 isn’t as horrible as the BB/9 but still.

          But when you look at his durability (8th), his ability to miss bats (2nd), his ability to induce GB (4th) and his ability to strand runners (12th) you would think he would have better results.

        • Encarnacion's Parrot 4 years ago

          If Burnett can avoid getting black eyes, he should rebound closer to his career norms.

    • Fangaffes 4 years ago

      If Curt Young can teach Beckett how to actually pitch, he’ll be worth every penny and more. He has a ton of talent, but a very hard head.

      • Fangaffes 4 years ago

        Oh, and that goes double for Papelbon.

      • notsureifsrs 4 years ago

        what makes you think beckett doesn’t know how to pitch? or papelbon for that matter?

        • Fangaffes 4 years ago

          Ever see someone who knows how to pitch go through an entire appearance throwing nothing but fastballs? There are lots of pitchers who don’t have the arm strength of Beckett or Papelbon, but who are much more effective because they know when/how to set up hitters with a variety of pitch types and locations.

          • 0bsessions 4 years ago

            Papelbon knows how to pitch, he just chooses not to. All of his problems started when he changed his arm slot and essentially stopped being able to throw his secondary pitches for strikes.

            Beckett, I stand by last year’s health issues being his biggest issue. The guy’s curveball is filthy when it’s working.

          • notsureifsrs 4 years ago

            “Ever see someone who knows how to pitch go through an entire appearance throwing nothing but fastballs?”

            were you not around for curt schilling or something

          • notsureifsrs 4 years ago

            can’t stand when people suggest his problem is pitch selection. totally unsupportable theory propagated by clueless sports writers and eaten up by casual fans who don’t think it through

            as curt schilling himself routinely explained around 2006 when people were whining about beckett’s fastball use, he’s got a better fastball than schilling had. he should throw it a ton. it has been and is a plus pitch

            the fact that he has a plus curveball (and possibly a plus change this year) doesn’t change that fact. like schilling, beckett can and has dominated games throwing fastballs almost exclusively. that isn’t his problem

            he struggles when he throws his fastball over the middle of the plate, like everyone else does when they do that. command is the issue, not pitch selection. his back was weak in 2010 and as a result his command was as bad as it has been since 2006

            if that doesn’t change, he’s screwed. but it won’t be because of his pitch selection

          • Fangaffes 4 years ago

            Yeah, I was around for Curt Schilling. I was also around for Bill Monbouquette. In addition to his fastball, Schilling had a good change-up, a decent slider, an OK curve, and a killer splitter. Early in his career, he was a thrower, like Beckett. Then at some point he learned that he couldn’t just throw the ball past every batter he faced. He figured out that command and pitch selection were at least as important to success as raw speed and he became an elite pitcher. He tried like hell to teach the importance of command to Beckett, with only limited success.

            Look, I don’t hate Beckett. I’m encouraged that he spent time over the winter developing a real change. If he’s healthy, this could be the start of a real resurgence for him. He looked more confident in that game against Houston than all of last year. I look forward to watching him pitch tonight.

          • notsureifsrs 4 years ago

            “In addition to his fastball, Schilling had a good change-up, a decent slider, an OK curve, and a killer splitter.”

            none of which did he throw as often as beckett throws his off-speed stuff. that is, schilling threw his fastball even more than beckett throws his. with tremendous success

            “Early in his career, he was a thrower, like Beckett. Then at some point he learned that he couldn’t just throw the ball past every batter he faced.”

            just not true. look it up. find a way to talk to curt yourself. he’s talked about this dozens of times, half of those times in relation to beckett specifically telling people not to believe what you are now saying you believe about pitch selection

            it’s not about pitch selection. it’s about command. even when schilling’s fastball was down in the low 90’s in boston, he threw it more than beckett throws his. and it worked because — to return to your first comment — he knew how to pitch

          • YanksFanSince78 4 years ago

            According to fangrpahs, since 2002:

            CS vs JB, % of FBs thrown:

            55% vs 74%
            53% vs 59%
            58% vs 68%
            62% vs 69%
            62% vs 69%
            54% vs 63%

            avg of 57.4% vs avg of 64.8%

            JB: 2008: 67%, 2009:60% and 2010: 55%

            CS also had 4 other pitches that over that period of time he threw at least an average of 5% of the time. JB only had 2 other pitches that he used at least 5% of the time. Since 2009 he’s also relied on the cutter as well throwing it 5% of the time in ’09 and 15% in ’10.

          • notsureifsrs 4 years ago

            haha, what is it you think a cutter is? check out my cut changeup guys. if you count fastballs, as you should:

            beckett – schilling

            69 – 59
            63 – 69
            69 – 69

            important here? like schill, beckett’s success has come from using the fastball 65-70% of the time. therefore his poor performance should not be attributed to the frequency with which he throws his fastball

          • notsureifsrs 4 years ago

            an hour after this exchange beckett comes out in cleveland throwing like jaime moyer. with similar success. love it

          • YanksFanSince78 4 years ago

            Well buddy,fangraphs lists cutters as well. Curt started throwing them in 2004 and Josh in 2005 neven if it was way less than 1%.

            From 2002 CS threw the FB and Cutter, on average, 60% of the time. From 2002-2020 JB threw the FB and Cutter,on average, 67% of the time.

            Now maybe I didn’t make my stance clear. I’m not trying to explain JB’s struggleoreven trying to point out what is or isn’t the blame. Just that your stance that “even when schilling’s fastball was down in the low 90’s in boston, he threw it more than beckett throws his” was factually incorrect.

          • notsureifsrs 4 years ago

            no it wasn’t, as i just showed

            my clam: “even when schilling’s fastball was down in the low 90’s in boston, he threw it more than beckett throws his”

            the facts: schilling did throw his fastball more than beckett during a successful 2005 season. it’s also true that in two other seasons, he and beckett threw fastballs at the same rate and that for one season beckett threw more than schilling. it’s also irrelevant. it changes nothing that was being discussed and in fact directly supports what i’ve been saying here. (in that more-than-schilling season he threw 69% fastballs. he also threw 69% in 2008, a 5+ WAR season)

            neither schilling’s nor beckett’s struggles were attributable to fastball selection; they were attributable to command

  4. Just think how crippling this would be to a team like the Rays. Yet, it doesn’t even hiccup the Red Sox.

    GMs like Andrew Friedman just don’t get enough credit. He is an absolute genuis. And talk about a competitive disadvantage tho.

  5. ryankrol 4 years ago

    With access to information becoming easier and easier by the minute, I see a lot more rash judgements of players based on one bad season. Josh Beckett might be an injury risk these days — he may never be the same again. But how does that make him overrated? I didn’t see anyone kissing the ground he walked on in 2010. He got a lot of attention, yes. But he’s also been the #1 starter on a team that recently won 2 Championships in 3 years. I’ve never been comfortable watching him on the mound; I said back in 2008 that he just looked like a guy who was barely holding on, even in his best seasons. I don’t know if I was right. I just had a gut feeling he was going to suffer a major injury in the next few years. Regardless, he toughed it out and put up some great numbers. I’d have to say that Josh Beckett deserves a lot more credit than just writing him off as overrated.

    • andrewyf 4 years ago

      “But he’s also been the #1 starter on a team that recently won 2 Championships in 3 years”

      I didn’t know Beckett was actually Kobe Bryant. It could be true, have you ever seen them in the same place at the same time??

    • East Coast Bias 4 years ago

      Sorry to nitpick (I really am), but Beckett was not on the first WS roster. He was with Florida in ’04. Also, Boston won two championships in four years, not three. ’04, ’05, ’06, ’07.

      But yeah, I don’t think he is overrated at all, mainly because I’ve seen how he can dismantle a lineup first hand, especially in the post season.

  6. East Coast Bias 4 years ago

    Man, I love it when all the regulars hang out in the same thread! GROUP HUG!!

  7. bjsguess 4 years ago

    Beckett has been a solid pitcher the last 5 years. He ranked 12th overall for pitchers with 20.4 WAR. An average of 4 WAR is solid over that long of a duration.

    The question is how much Beckett has left in the tank. Is it hard to imagine a scenario where the Red Sox have 2 huge contracts that contribute nothing to the team in the next few years (Beckett and Lackey).

  8. jwsox 4 years ago

    you gotta love how this whole over rated talk stems from his contract. but that notion Josh johnson, ubaldo, halladay lincecum are all under rated and Joey bautista is extremley over rated

  9. Lunchbox45 4 years ago

    In the last 4 years Beckett has had one bad year, the other three he posted, 4.7, 3.3, and 4.2 WAR..

    Overrated, maybe, but that’s part of the nostalgia that comes from being an impact player in a big market and winning a WS. Still a good pitcher.

  10. coolstorybro222 4 years ago

    dude pitched a perfect game then gets rocked for 7 runs the next. Dallas Braden pitched better than that his next start after the no no.

  11. Buehrle is over rated but not as much as Beckett. I don’t think I would put Buehrle in the top 10 over rated, but I do consider him widely over rated.

  12. jwsox 4 years ago

    how is mark buehrle over rated? I’m a whitesox fan and I can tell you this he is not over rated at all. He is not underrated either.

    Lets take the no hitter and perfect game out of it(how many pitchers can say they have both?) because those are not signs of great pitchers but signs of great pitching performances (ie Braden, not even close to a great pitcher but had a great game)

    Buehrle for his entire career has never been anything more than a very good solid left hander. He was never once called an ace and was never sold as one by any media(with exception to the brainless “sports writers” at espn who may have at least once called him an ace. But lets look at his stats for his career he has a W/L record of 149-110(31 games over .500 is pretty good) in ten seasons as a starter he has logged 2277 innings, again very good. He was never a stirke out pitcher his career K/9 is 5 but his BB/9 is 2.06 for his career. with a HR/9 of 1 still very good for the type of pitcher he is. a career ERA of 3.85 is also a very good stat and he has racked up 42WAR in ten years. Also very good, not great not “ace” like but still good. And his career WHIP(in my opinion one of the best pitching stats) is 1.28 which is really good.

    Buehrle is what he is a dependable left handed pitcher who could be at the top of any teams order(not #1) who will give a team 200+ innings each season with out spending time on the DL. He is one of if not the best fielding pitchers in the game today with a career fielding % of .974 and he has one of if not the best pick off moves in the game today. Which any team would love for their pitchers to have. He pretty much cancels out the running game every time he takes the mound. Now throw in the pitching performance of of 02 where he won 19 games and what he did for the sox in 05. I would say he is a very good pitcher. He is not over rated at all, and better yet he isn’t underrated( i bet someone could make that argument) he is perfectly rated as he is. a solid left hander who with log a ton of innings keep his team in the game, pick guys off left and right and any team would love to have him in their rotation.

    If you want to talk about over rated pitchers a few should come to mind before we even get to buehrle. I’m thinking zito, zambrano, Dice-k, burnett, and lackey.

  13. YanksFanSince78 4 years ago

    I don’t think anyone ever say him as a “ace”. Evenat $16.5mil,while that’s a ton of annual money, was still less than what CC, Johan, Zito and others had signed for. I don’t think anyone saw him as more than an #2 or #3.

  14. MB923 4 years ago

    Dice-K would like a word as well

  15. YanksFanSince78 4 years ago

    He was never sold as an ace. He was sold as the next best thing on the market.

  16. The second biggest pitching contract? Kevin Brown, Mike Hampton, Johan Santana and Barry Zito all had bigger contracts then A.J. Burnett.

  17. East Coast Bias 4 years ago

    From all the 439875349875 perfect games and no hitters last season, Dallas Braden’s annoyed me the most. I’m even okay with Edwin Jackson’s.

  18. Lunchbox45 4 years ago

    being overrated doesn’t mean you’re not good.

    Usually players on big market teams are overrated..

    I mean Derek Jeter to me is truly overrated, but he’s still an incredible player. He was on 5 championship teams in the biggest baseball market, he would have to be invisible not to be overrated.

  19. Lunchbox45 4 years ago

    there’s a lot of pressure on the offense to be the driving factor to win games, I can def see the likes of Arod, Jeter and Teix having better years than 2010.

  20. YanksFanSince78 4 years ago

    I think he has a couple of really good years left. The funny thing is that his “bad years” are career years for most all-star players.

  21. notsureifsrs 4 years ago

    i always think a-rod is going to have a monster season. seriously

    it’s easy to criticize his defense, his contract, and even a trend or two in his offensive numbers. but when it comes down to it and he’s playing my team, i never ever ever feel like “oh hey good, this wash-up is at the plate. nothing to worry about here”

    to the contrary, i’m always like “jesus christ didn’t he bat last inning? i hate baseball”

  22. Lunchbox45 4 years ago

    I lucked out and got Grienke, Jurrjens and Morrow late because of DL trips.

  23. notsureifsrs 4 years ago

    this is why i can’t disagree when someone says pedroia is overrated. dude is great, but he is no MVP

    you’re right about the effect of large markets, but oddly enough kevin youkilis is generally pretty underrated

  24. Lunchbox45 4 years ago

    its because of his batting stance..

    people hate his batting stance.

  25. MaineSox 4 years ago

    True, I have to think that his MVP was in large part due to a pretty weak group to choose from overall.

  26. bjsguess 4 years ago

    Youk is way under-rated.

    I think it has a lot to do with his skill set. Great gloves aren’t appreciated. Guys who can play multiple positions aren’t appreciated. Walks aren’t appreciated. He’s plays on a team full of superstars.

    The things that casual fans look for, especially from a 1st baseman, are BA and HR’s. Two areas where Youkilis is OK but not outstanding.

    It’s a shame people can’t appreciate what he brings to the table. Absolutely one of the best overall 1st baseman in the game. The only Red Sox player that I can actually stand (although I have Dustin this year in FB so I have to at least follow him).

  27. YanksFanSince78 4 years ago


    Pedroia is tapping into his inner “Pesky”…..or Rizzuto if you’re a Yanks fan. Man….if I’m ever in a bar fight with dudes under 5’10 I would want Pedroia on my side.

  28. YanksFanSince78 4 years ago

    I never said Zito was a legitimate ace. What I said was that Burnett wasn’t paid comparable money relative to Zito, CC and Johan. Just like Beckett was offered “ace” money when he signed his deal. If Beckett were still a true ace, meaning without having his well publicized issues and declining peripherals corrected, then the Sox would’ve had to sign him for a lot more than what he eventually signed for.

    Please read that last sentence over and over before you interpret as me saying Beckett sucks or that he CAN’T regain his ace form. I think we all know that his stock wasn’t as one of the top 10 pitchers in baseball when he was offered that last contract. He is STILL a pitcher of good value though.

  29. East Coast Bias 4 years ago

    I like Nova because I have to… but not in fantasy. I just don’t see him putting up an ERA below 4.

  30. YanksFanSince78 4 years ago

    That’s Victor Zambrano.

  31. notsureifsrs 4 years ago

    ZiPS has it above 5, in fact

  32. East Coast Bias 4 years ago

    I’ll trust you with Jurjens. I got Greinke and Longoria a lot later than they’ usually go because of the DL trips. I’m thinking, if I can survive early and make the playoffs, I’ll beast!

  33. East Coast Bias 4 years ago

    Oh… well that’s different then. Your top 3 are very strong!

  34. YanksFanSince78 4 years ago

    I don’t see how anyone can intelligently predict what a rookie player will do the next year. There’s so little to go buy as opposed to predicting what Josh Beckett might do in 2011. At least with the vet you have a 3 or 4 year’s worth of stats to observe trends and predict the future.

  35. East Coast Bias 4 years ago

    Hahaha I’m with you on that one. It’s a rivalry like the one between a hammer and a nail. =P

    Then again, it’s probably how Angels fans felt during the last decade playing us…

  36. Lunchbox45 4 years ago

    it through me off because cano had a 6 WAR last year, but I look back and see that Cano’s 08 1.2 WAR set him back.

  37. MaineSox 4 years ago

    Yeah, just noticed that myself. Not sure what his deal was in ’08, but it doesn’t seem to have been injury since he played in 159 games.

  38. notsureifsrs 4 years ago

    it’s certainly possible to make an educated guess, but the margin of error’s gotta be miles wider. i’m not a nova fan, but the ZiPS figures seem out of whack

  39. notsureifsrs 4 years ago

    why don’t i remember ever thinking “man, this cano kid sucks”? his 08 line does suck pretty hard

  40. The_Silver_Stacker 4 years ago

    Cano’s swing was very inconsistent in 08 (by his standards). He had slumps during that year that were longer then his average slump in other seasons.

  41. East Coast Bias 4 years ago

    What the… he got 7 Ks?! I think I’ll get Jair Jurjens, RA Dickey, and Zach Britton until my team heals up.

  42. YanksFanSince78 4 years ago

    And if they’re bigger then maybe Braxton…he’s a mean looking sumamabitch.

  43. YanksFanSince78 4 years ago

    (in a high pitch voice) awwwwwwkkkkwaaaaarrddddd. I feel like there should be disco music pounding in the background…..and glow sticks.

  44. YanksFanSince78 4 years ago

    I think the common ground in thinking is that his effectiveness is hampered by his declining health. If his health continues to decline then so shall his performance.

  45. yeah, one blows and the other is awesome

  46. 0bsessions 4 years ago

    Man, I love his batting stance.

  47. 0bsessions 4 years ago

    Weak group and a bad Indians team. If the Indians made the playoffs, Sizemore probably would’ve gotten it.

  48. Lunchbox45 4 years ago

    really? It makes me hope he gets plunked every at bat.

  49. 0bsessions 4 years ago

    That surprises me. While it’s easy to appreciate Youk’s work on the field, a lot of non-Sox fans I speak to hate the guy and I can see why. He just LOOKS like a jerk.

  50. ellisburks 4 years ago

    Right back at you big guy!

  51. 0bsessions 4 years ago

    I’ve always had a soft spot for ridiculous batting stances and I really can’t think of a more ridiculous current stance.

  52. RahZid 4 years ago

    So that’s why Joba keeps throwing at him…….

  53. Lunchbox45 4 years ago

    I feel like he should have been the last out in the movie ‘Rookie of the Year’

    thats how ridiculous he looks..

    but its hard to argue with his stats, he’s a heckava ball player

  54. 0bsessions 4 years ago

    Youk would make an awful motion picture last out. Stats may well be able to disprove that, but I feel as if most of his strikeouts come looking rather than swinging and nothing’s more potentially anticlimactic than a movie ending on a strikeout looking (Except maybe a movie ending on a hit by pitch walk off).

    Now I’m just imagining J.D. Drew as the last out of a movie. I like the guy, but man, watching him strike out is just too funny sometimes. It’s just one fluid motion on a K swinging as he basically uses the momentum of his swing to turn around and walk back to the dugout at home games with absolutely no emotional implications whatsoever.

  55. MB923 4 years ago

    Ehh, I think the only Yankee fans who will tell you Jeter is good defensively are the trolls who brag about the championships. Find me a Yankee fan who isn’t a troll and says Jeter is great defensively.

  56. MB923 4 years ago

    Like Jeter too?

  57. MB923 4 years ago

    It’s very short into the season, but it seems as if Jeter is now trouble getting to his left side towards 2nd base. That he was decent at, it was always the left side towards 3rd which was his big weakness. To his left side he was decent but the past few games, he’s missed makeable plays towards the right. If this is to continue throughout the season, I don’t see the Yankees keeping him at SS next season

  58. MB923 4 years ago

    “That same person is the kind of fan that believes the misguided ultimatum that a season is a failure if the Yankees don’t win the world series. I think those two beliefs usually go hand in hand. ”

    I don’t think those beliefs go hand in hand at all. The Yankees are expected to be competitive year in and year out. For them, making the playoffs is no big accomplishment, unlike NY’s basketball team. Failure may be too harsh, but I don’t call making the playoffs a success in the Yankees season, especially if/when they lose in the ALDS. I do think however, like last season, making the ALCS is an accomplishment. But I think when you’re 9 out of 10 times in the playoffs (well literally 14 out of 15 but you get my point) , if you lose in the first round for several years in a row (which they did from 05 through 07), you’re season while I wouldn’t say sucked, was not good enough.

    Off topic, but I was hearing rumors that there was a slight possiblity that there were talks of the LDS being expanded to 7 games, but I also heard for now Selig doesn’t plan on doing that, but he will think about it. I don’t think that’s a good idea at all unless off days in the playoffs are extremely limited, and perhaps if they reduce the season schedule by a few games.

  59. YanksFanSince78 4 years ago

    Jeter is a very good shortstop in terms of converting balls he gets to into outs. Meaning, he makes very few errors. His obvious shortcoming is his range. Range is perhaps the greatest factor in UZR.

    Unfortunately, being a Yanks fan means that if you don’t win the WS then the season IS a waste. I mean it’s still a great accomplishment to be in the WS but the bottom line is, they play for the next WS ring and anything short of that is a major dissapointment.

  60. MB923 4 years ago


  61. notsureifsrs 4 years ago

    right? lunchbox imagines him in Rookie of the Year, but i’ve always imagined him in American History X

    if you’ve never heard him speak, it’s totally believable that he could be that kind of guy

  62. 0bsessions 4 years ago

    That LDS thing’s been talked about for years now, but no one really seem to want to have any of it.

    Players don’t want to just add extra games because those extra games will be murder on players.
    Owner don’t want to subtract regular season games to account for them because it hurts ticket sales for non playoff teams.

    Personally, I’m for taking a week off of the regular season to expand LDS to best of seven and take SOME of the crapshoot out of it, but I honestly can’t imagine it happening any time soon unless the MLBPA is willing to make some big concession like a salary cap.

  63. baseball33 4 years ago

    I am for never cutting the season from 162 games. Expanding the LDS to seven games because I believe a baseball series was never meant to be played in a best of five series. And I would expand the rosters to 30 players. These are some of the ideas I have for ways to improve our glorious game of baseball. I would now like to formally announce my desire to run for the position of Major League Baseball Commissioner. Thank you

  64. baseball33 4 years ago

    They can shorten the length of the season by playing two double-headers per month throughout the 162 game season

  65. MaineSox 4 years ago

    Yeah, quite probably. The only thing that could possibly have kept him from getting it was a poor batting average (.268 to Pedroia’s .326).

  66. 0bsessions 4 years ago

    Honestly, even with missing the playoffs, Sizemore probably would’ve gotten it if he could’ve gotten his BA up to around .290-.300. Sizemore deserved it more, but it was close enough that being on a playoff team really gave it to Pedroia.

  67. MaineSox 4 years ago

    I have a hard time seeing Dice-K as overrated, pretty much everybody hates the guy. Lackey I would say is actually quite underrated after last year, he put up 4.0 WAR last year and had good peripherals yet everyone thinks the guy plain stinks.

  68. BoSoXaddict 4 years ago

    You know Youkilis is a Jew, right?

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