Royals Open To Trading Prospects

With baseball's best farm system at his disposal, Royals GM Dayton Moore acknowledged that he's willing to trade prospects for pitching, according to Bob Dutton of the Kansas City Star. Dutton says Moore would like to find a deal similar to the Ubaldo Jimenez trade, where the Indians acquired a talented, controllable starter in exchange for prospects.

"We'll be aggressive in trades," Moore said, looking ahead to the offseason. “We'll try to make a trade or two that helps us. We have to look internally first, but then we have to look at trades. Then, finally, we have to look at free agency. We’ll explore all of those options…. We have a minor league system that's ranked pretty good. So we'll see what's out there. We're a pitcher or two away."

This spring, Baseball America said Kansas City's minor league system was "among the best we've seen," with nine Royals ranking among BA's top 100 prospects. So while there's no doubt that the Royals have the depth to make such a move, you could contest Moore's assertion that the club is only "a pitcher or two away." Even in a weak AL Central division, with some of their youngsters starting to make an impact in the bigs, the Royals are 25 games below .500 this season.

Still, according to Dutton, club officials believe that the rotation doesn't need to be overhauled for 2012, and that adding a top-of-the-rotation starter to their current core is the key for a "rapid rise" in the standings.

"What we need, if we're going to win a championship," one official said. "Is somebody who can match up with [Justin] Verlander and [C.C.] Sabathia and [Josh] Beckett."

ESPN.com's Buster Olney (Insider link) identifies the Mariners, Diamondbacks, and Braves as teams who might match up with the Royals, specifically naming Mike Moustakas as a player who could interest Atlanta as a successor to Chipper Jones at third base.


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120 Comments on "Royals Open To Trading Prospects"


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Brad426
3 years 10 months ago

With 5 of those 9 Royals prospects being pitchers, they may be better off just waiting rather than trading guys like Myers or Colon for pitching.

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Rabbitov
3 years 10 months ago

Royals can have the best farm system of all time, an ace isn’t going to make them a contender next year unless a lot of things click. 

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Brad426
3 years 10 months ago

Maybe, but should they mortgage the future for a #2 starter? It’s a tough call for a GM (and he damn well better be right or fans will always remember it).

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Rabbitov
3 years 10 months ago

All I was saying is that 1 pitcher isn’t going to make them contenders next year no matter who that pitcher is unless a lot of question marks do well. In terms of what you just said, I agree 100% although I personally would go all in on free agent starters and hold on to their crop of prospects. 

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rundmc1981
3 years 10 months ago

What else does KC have to lose? If the fan base gets their kicks out of having the best farm system in all the land…there’s really something wrong with that considering the end product. I know, you have talent to win, but you to win to have talent. Think about it. WSH knows exactly what I mean (Werth-less…)

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Colin Christopher
3 years 10 months ago

The Royals scored more runs than anyone in their division this year except Detroit. If they had allowed about 1/3 of a run less per game over the course of this season, it would have been the difference between 5th and 2nd in the division…so, yes, I think adding an ace could make them a contender. 

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3 years 10 months ago

That ace is one pitcher.  Adding an ace to replace your worst pitcher and knock everyone else down a slot (no matter how much better the ace is) won’t reduce the number of runs you allow by 1/3.

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soxfanfromBC
3 years 10 months ago

One third of a run not a reduction of 33 percent.

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3 years 10 months ago

Then his statement is now even harder to agree with.  That one ace possibly could do that by giving up ~55 fewer runs than a #5 over the course of a season, but you can’t spread that out over the entire season because he’s only pitching once every 5 games.  In reality, you wouldn’t be giving up 1/3 of a run less every game, you’d just have 20% of your games where you’re getting much better production than before while the other 80% is roughly the same as last season.

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Rabbitov
3 years 10 months ago

Thats exactly my point. The Brewers were a lot further along than the Royals are when they added pitchers both in terms of hitting and pitching. I don’t think the Royals are just one ace away from competing. With that said the Royals have the young talent to make that push, but it would involve a lot of young players doing well, which can tip in either direction. 

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Rabbitov
3 years 10 months ago

“with the exception of Detroit”  / “in their division”

1) They are not tops in a weak division
2) They are 13th in runs in the league. 

Also show me how adding an ace lessens 1/3 of a run across the entire pitching staff? 

If an ace came in and won 10 more games than one of your starters you’d be tied for third in the division at its most basic level. (and yes I did use wins to quantify . . . wins) We can add in the effects it’d have to have a pitcher who could pitch more innings and lessen the strain on the bullpen. Or we could just look at how sorry the Royals rotation is right now, and how an ace only pitches 1/5 days. Whatever works. 

And you assume that the ace automatically = second in the division (which btw is still second in the division, even by your own admission). 

I just don’t understand your argument at all.  

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sdsuphilip
3 years 10 months ago

Well the Royals don’t have the best farm system in baseball anymore considering much of talent is in the majors

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darkstorm97
3 years 10 months ago

It’s not the best anymore. But it’s still in the top 5. Especially after all the international signings and the draft.

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twentyfivemanroster
3 years 10 months ago

With Bubba Starling just added along with Brickhouse being added as well, they still have Myers, Montgomery, Lamb, Arguelles(sp?), Odorizzi, Colon, Cuthbert and Dwyer.  I wouldn’t be suprised if they are no.1 again.  Atleast top 2 or 3.

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3 years 10 months ago

I still think its too early for this. Say they deal a Moustakas for pitching. Then you have another Greinke situation with a great pitcher with not much support. I think they have to wait a bit more until they get closer to .500

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sdsuphilip
3 years 10 months ago

they aren’t trading moustakas

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3 years 10 months ago

Agreed. Just using as an example.

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Jeffy25
3 years 10 months ago

Absolutely this. They are no where close to being in an position to trade for veterans. This is beyond retarded, and as a royals fan really irritates me. Rebuilding, takes time, and until you have a .500 plus team from your prospects only you don’t go and get veterans.

God this angers me

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DK8
3 years 10 months ago

If they could trade for a guy like Tommy Hanson, who has another 4 years of team control, it might make sense.  Although, if the Braves were willing to trade him, it might throw up some red flags.  And you’d have to imaging they’d want quite a haul for a guy who is that young and that good.

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sdsuphilip
3 years 10 months ago

Crow I think is going to stay in the pen and Montgomery and Dwyers has taken  huuuuuuuge steps back, Orduzzi (sp) looks good but he more projects as a 3 than a top of rotation starter, I think they could be interested in Jair Jurrjens, or maybe even James Shields

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Brad426
3 years 10 months ago

As a Braves fan, I bet Jurrjens for Wil Myers could work, but I don’t think JJ is the ace that they are looking for. I (even through Braves-colored goggles) wouldn’t like my chances with JJ matched up against Verlander, Sabathia, or Beckett.

I would LOVE to see Moustakas for JJ, but the Royals wouldn’t do that (even with Moore’s affinity for the Braves).

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sdsuphilip
3 years 10 months ago

I agree that Jurrjens doesn’t really have ace potential (there are about 10-15 pitchers i consider ace) but he can be a good number 2 for years to come for Royals.

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Brad426
3 years 10 months ago

Jurrjens is a FA after 2013 and will be due pretty nice arbitration raises for the next two years. I agree he’d be a good #2 starter for them, but I’m not sure the Royals would be willing to part with a top prospect for a $6Mish #2 starter. I hope I’m wrong though…

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Jeff
3 years 10 months ago

Maybe as a mid-season deal next year.  The Braves will have spare pitching, and might have a need at SS/3B/LF depending on what they do.

They gotta bring up fulltime Teheran and Minor at some point next year, and Delgado and Vizcaino in 2013. 

That’s going to be tough unless they have a lot of injuries.

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Brad426
3 years 10 months ago

I think they’ll work to trade somebody this off-season. They will prefer that be Lowe, but even eating a good amount of his remaining $15M they will be hard-pressed to find takers. JJ, on the other hand, they can sell high on right before his arbitration raises kick in. If they believe that Teheran, Minor, or Vizcaino are ready it makes sense to trade him while his stock is high.

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Guest
3 years 10 months ago

 I wouldn’t assume the Braves are going to have spare pitching.  Hanson could very well end up needing surgery on his rotator cuff (they’re waiting it out now, but the guy has a fairly violent delivery), Jair has spent much of the last two years injured, and Lowe is, well, Lowe.  That leaves Beachy, Minor, Teheran, and Delgado.  Vizcaino will probably be in the conversation, as well, but might be in the ‘pen.  Either way, the point remains: They’re all very talented, but also very very young.  We’ve seen how much importance ATL places on pitching depth and its fair to say that they already have less reason to expect to be optimistic about their depth in ’12 as is.  I can’t really imagine that they’re planning on doing anything involving trading away their pitching at this point.

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Guest
3 years 10 months ago

I forgot to type in Hudson’s name.  My point remains, though.

Guest
3 years 10 months ago

you forgot Medlen as well… not to mention the fact that you have automatically disqualified two guys who made 22 starts each this year, throwing 130 and 146 innings respectively. I think the Braves could afford a trade.

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sdsuphilip
3 years 10 months ago

Crow I think is going to stay in the pen and Montgomery and Dwyers has taken  huuuuuuuge steps back, Orduzzi (sp) looks good but he more projects as a 3 than a top of rotation starter, I think they could be interested in Jair Jurrjens, or maybe even James Shields

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Colin Christopher
3 years 10 months ago

Montgomery is in AAA at an age when most guys are graduating from High-A ball, and it’s the first time he’s ever had any kind of trouble as a pro. He’ll adjust, and I think it’s huuuuuuugely unfair to say he’s taken a huuuuuuuge step back. And Odorizzi could certainly pan out to be a SP2, as he’s already got a plus fastball and curve along with a huuuuuuugely improved changeup. Spending a good portion of his age-21 season in a tough AA league is pretty promising.