Red Sox Notes: Francona, Epstein, Papi, Free Agents

It's been a tumultuous few weeks for the Red Sox and their fans, and this array of links can speak to that…

  • Steve Buckley of the Boston Herald writes that the ownership trio of John Henry, Tom Werner, and Larry Lucchino deserve some of the blame for Terry Francona's departure from Boston.
  • Boston's brass doesn't want to comment on the possibility of GM Theo Epstein winding up with the Cubs, says the Boston Herald's Scott Lauber, but until they address the situation or until Chicago hires someone, the potential is there.
  • Ken Rosenthal quotes a rival GM who says that when the Red Sox are in crisis mode, "all bets are off," meaning that they could conceivably let Epstein interview for the Cubs' position (Twitter link).
  • In a second tweet, Rosenthal relays a thought from another GM: what could Epstein fetch in return from the Cubs after the White Sox netted two minor leaguers for Ozzie Guillen?
  • Peter Abraham of the Boston Globe wonders if Epstein is the next to head through the Red Sox "spin cycle." Abraham discusses the possibility of Epstein going to the Cubs, and the intriguing possibility of him hiring Francona as his manager there.
  • In the same piece, Abraham notes that if Epstein were to leave the Red Sox, senior vice president and assistant GM Ben Cherington would be a logical replacement. MLBTR's Ben Nicholson-Smith looked at Cherington as a GM candidate back in August.
  • Still in Abraham's article, David Ortiz says he wants to return to the Red Sox in 2012 and beyond, and that Boston fans "don't deserve what we offered them."
  • Hideki Okajima, Drew Sutton, and Dennys Reyes, join yesterday's list of minor leaguers who officially declared free agency, according to Abraham.

46 Responses to Red Sox Notes: Francona, Epstein, Papi, Free Agents Leave a Reply

  1. StanleyHudson 4 years ago

    I still don’t fully understand what “all bets are off means”….

    • notsureifsrs 4 years ago

      “this should get me attention”

      sports writers are awful

    • Redsoxn8tion 4 years ago

      Theo’s not going anywhere. He has 1 more year left on his contract. If the Sox fail again next year, Theo’s gone. Relax everyone, the Sox can’t possibly be any worse than they were this year.

      • paul_oneills_lovechild 4 years ago

        The Sox won 90 games this year.  They can definitely do worse.  And, before you get Theo’s panties in a bunch…so can the Yankees.  Now, a team like the Astros…there’s no where to go but up for them!

    • John DiRienzo 4 years ago

      whenever i read your post, i can’t help but picture Stanley saying it

  2. wickedkevin 4 years ago

    I don’t get why “Boston’s brass” needs to comment on Theo and the Cubs.  It only happens if they let it happen. 

  3. stadiumnut 4 years ago

    As I have stated before, EVERYONE is responsible for the collapse.  From John Henry, to Theo, to Tito and most of all the players… a shakeup is needed and it is a GOOD thing.  Hey, the Yankees let Torre and Stengel go…. The Red Sox have to find a manager that will put some fire under the team.  I honestly think there is a silver lining.  Meaning that the Red Sox could just be pissed off enough next year to come out with a HUGE chip on their shoulder….. if that happens, watch out….   and all the gloom and doomers.. the Sox still have a VERY dangerous team.  They need new blood and tweaking…. 

    • wickedkevin 4 years ago

      All I read was “We should get Lou Pinella.”

    • jmcbosox 4 years ago

      still uncertainty in the rotation…..throw an s-pile at CC?

      • angryredmenace 4 years ago

        CC isn’t going anywhere.He will opt out to get a better deal and then the Yankees will make it rain on him like the last whore at happy hour.The saux simply can’t compete with the moneyboys of summer.There’s is no way the Yankees would ever let the saux out bid them, especially for CC, their only reliable starter.

        • John DiRienzo 4 years ago

          they let them outbid them for CC last year.

          different CC, but your point still remains false

    • in all honesty i read something about this i wonder if they could try to talk torre out of retirement and would he be a good fit?

  4. Potrzeba 4 years ago

    what an offseason we are going to have.

  5. start_wearing_purple 4 years ago

    Has there ever been a trade of GM for players?

    • wickedkevin 4 years ago

      Who performs that trade…?

    • johnsilver 4 years ago

      Cubs would throw in Zambrano, Soriano, or about half of their roster filled with dead and not moveable contracts.

      That is a team cannot vision Epstein wanting to take over for that reason.. he tarts with the deck against him, unless Rickets would et him dump half the roster right off the bat and eat about 150m.

      • StanleyHudson 4 years ago

        Theo for Garza………Let’s Make a Deal.

  6. towney007 4 years ago

    Until Sox brass lets Theo talk to someone or fire him, he’s going nowhere. This Epstein to the Cubs talk has gotta be the most painfully manufactured story from the media in eons. Now we’re going to trade him? The only people who seem to be in crisis mode is the Boston sports media, who are beyond hysterical at this point, even for them. They’ll bring in a new manager which makes sense, probably drop a few pieces, pick up a few. This team is still absurdly talented.

    • John DiRienzo 4 years ago

      maybe we can trade Theo to the Mariners in a 3way trade with Felix going to the Yankees

      i shouldn’t post it on the internet though, because the media’s head would explode, and i’d probably be listed as one of Buster Olney’s “outside sources”

  7. notsureifsrs 4 years ago

    boston sports media: there is no news at all, but we all have something urgent to report

    • start_wearing_purple 4 years ago

      I think their slogan is “We feed paranoia to one of the world’s most superstitious fan bases.”

  8. Fifty_Five 4 years ago

    Theo should go to the Cubs for the sole purpose of possibly becoming that guy who broke TWO near century long curses.

    • bacboris 4 years ago

      Wow, you come up with that? Amazing insight. Don’t hold back, you may put out a comment that only 3 billion people have said instead of everyone.

      • Fifty_Five 4 years ago

        Hey thanks d ouchebag! Woops I just said another thing that 3 billion people have said to you

      • MaineSox 4 years ago

        I never understood the point of doing this.

        Sure that comment, or some variant of it, has been posted more times than I’d care to count — and definitely, it isn’t a new thought — but what is the point of behind being so derisive about it?

        • wickedkevin 4 years ago

          Wow MaineSox, you think you’re the first person to spew that same logic on this site?!  Jesus!  I’ve seen as many people post this as have eaten at McDonalds! 

          • MaineSox 4 years ago

            Weak, you only accused me of doing something 2 billion people have done.  At least I didn’t do something the same as 3 billion people, like that Fifty_Five guy did.

  9. Lyndsay Thompson 4 years ago

    wow. WOW. so the players are turning on the fans now? we’ll see who gets “Papi” chants next year, David.

    • wickedkevin 4 years ago

      Someone else is going to get a “Papi” chant? 

    • MaineSox 4 years ago

      I think he’s saying that Boston fans deserved better

      • Lyndsay Thompson 4 years ago

        yup, I read that as “you guys don’t deserve our awesomeness” not “you guys don’t deserve our shittiness” – oops!

    • notsureifsrs 4 years ago


      • John DiRienzo 4 years ago

        andddd that’s the sound of Papi’s comments going right over OP’s head.

        or did 3 billion people already come to that same conclusion?

  10. I’d gladly give Boston Carlos Zambrano and Alfonso Soriano for Theo. Such a deal.

  11. Guest 4 years ago

    “In a second tweet, Rosenthal relays a thought from another GM: what could Epstein fetch in return from the Cubs after the White Sox netted two minor leaguers for Ozzie Guillen?”

    …a kick in the sack from Zambrano and then you’re welcome to pass go. Final offer.

  12. fredfromphilly 4 years ago

    starling casto

  13. I’m wondering about our off-season moves. I just really hope we don’t waste payroll on a big bat to make a splash when our offence was potent even in September (something like 5 runs per game).

    I’d make a run at CJ Wilson. If Beckett stays at this level (questionable) and Buchholz comes back strong, that’d be a really strong rotation. We have no chance on CC, so I don’t see why so many people here are calling to make a run at him.

    I’m not worried about Crawford at least. I see him bouncing back. Give RF to Kalish or Reddick or something; doesn’t really matter.

    I don’t think we should be giving Papelbon $12-$15 million when there are so many closers on the market.

    Re-sign Papi for sure. He’s a fan favourite and he’s had a resurgent season (though who knows if he can keep it up).

    Re-sign Bedard as well. I’d prefer him over Lackey.

    • Lyndsay Thompson 4 years ago

      “our”? is that you, Mr. Cherington?

  14. Cyyoung 4 years ago

    Pull a Tampa let him walk, take the Picks. Paplebon only one to sign.

    • John DiRienzo 4 years ago

      you really seem like you know what you’re doing.

  15. wickedkevin 4 years ago

    That’s probably every working man’s dream.  Trading away your boss haha

  16. BVHjays 4 years ago


    But yeah, I assume the outgoing GM would negotiate on behalf of the team he’s joining, and the to-be-appointed interim or replacement GM of the initial team would negotiate for them.

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