Cafardo On Red Sox, Ortiz, Saunders, Oswalt

The Red Sox need a manager with some backbone, background, and one with plenty of experience, writes Nick Cafardo of The Boston Globe.  Because the team lacked discipline last season, he writes, Boston isn't the place for a young manager at this time.  Here's more from Cafardo..

  • Orioles GM Dan Duquette met with Fern Cuza, David Ortiz’s agent, at the GM meetings.  Duquette and Cuza have been close over the years and worked together on deals for Cuza client Pedro Martinez.  Cafardo writes that Ortiz would be an intriguing figure at Camden Yards but in a radio interview over the weekend, Duquette said that he was wary of signing a high-priced DH.
  • Whether the Diamondbacks tender Joe Saunders a contract or not, he becomes an interesting possibility for the Red Sox as a back-of-the-rotation starter.  MLBTR projects that Saunders is in line for $8.7MM in arbitration this year and readers' opinions were split on whether or not the hurler would be tendered.
  • Cubs GM Theo Epstein will listen to offers on Matt Garza and just about anyone on his team in order to replentish his farm system.
  • Roy Oswalt’s agent, Bob Garber, spoke to Red Sox GM Ben Cherington last Wednesday.  The Sox could use his leadership in the rotation but the veteran's price could be prohibitive.
  • One scout who watched Yoenis Cespedes work out last week said that the Cuban outfielder has great power but has concerns that he could be prone to striking out frequently.
  • As the Red Sox look for a pitching coach, Dave Wallace is an interesting name to keep in mind.  Wallace served as Boston’s pitching coach before John Farrell.  Minor league pitching coordinator Bob McClure could also be an option, depending on who the team's next manager is.
  • Cafardo opines that the Cubs should give up outfielder Tyler Colvin to the Red Sox to wrap up their Theo Epstein compensation talks.


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104 Comments on "Cafardo On Red Sox, Ortiz, Saunders, Oswalt"


Eduardo Medina
3 years 9 months ago

Agree with sending tyler Colvin to the Red Sox

rockfordone
3 years 9 months ago

amen

Notin J. Notin
3 years 9 months ago

And the Red Sox would want Tyler Colvin why?

0bsessions
3 years 9 months ago

To make Josh Reddick feel better about his mediocre plate discipline, obviously.

Notin J. Notin
3 years 9 months ago

Then why not sign this Cespedes character?  He gives the added bonuses of batting right-handed and costing heavily…

iamsynecdoche
3 years 9 months ago

I’m worried that this is the Red Sox media management team preparing us for Valentine. 

rickjimbo
3 years 9 months ago

that is exactly what it sounds like

wolf9309
3 years 9 months ago

Cafardo has been hyping Valentine for the Sox since about 5 seconds after the Red Sox season ended

3 years 9 months ago

Epstein should’ve had to take John Lackey along with him as compensation.

gradylittle
3 years 9 months ago

Oh please don’t start this again…

philpbarnes
3 years 9 months ago

Like we need another left handed outfielder….

3 years 9 months ago

The Cubs will throw in Z and Soriano as well. Really spice up the deal.

Kevin
3 years 9 months ago

Why would a free-swinging, left-handed hitting outfielder be a good fit? That makes no sense to me. We already have a left fielder who can’t get on base more than 30% of the time.

Please… send pitching.

johnsilver
3 years 9 months ago

Only positive to Colvin, is that he is better than Mcdonald.. Then McDonald is as good as gone anyway now that francona’s latest “love child” after Billy Hall with Francona out the door.

Interesting on Bobby McClure also.. remember him most as a reliever/swing guy for the old brewers and journeyman of his type do seem to be fair as pitching coaches, ala Dick Pole.. Would not mind him getting a chance.

Chipper_is_GOD
3 years 9 months ago

Speaking of Pedro Martinez. Is he retired or coming back 1 more time? I’d like to see him hurry up and announce what he’s doing.

JacksTigers
3 years 9 months ago

I have a feeling that Joe Saunders is going to make a big impact on wherever he goes this season.

0bsessions
3 years 9 months ago

That’s an incredibly open statement.

3 years 9 months ago

What gives you that feeling?

JacksTigers
3 years 9 months ago

He’s a good pitcher…

3 years 9 months ago

Career 4.65 FIP.

In his big year, ’08 with the Angels, his ERA was 3.41, but he had a 4.36 FIP and 5.59 xFIP.

This year he had a 3.69 ERA, but a 4.78 FIP and 4.38 xFIP, along with an amazing 1.0 WAR.

Truly, a good pitcher.

Now look me in the face and tell me Chris Volstad is a good pitcher with his 4.89 ERA. 1.3 WAR, 4.32 FIP, 3.64 xFIP.

3 years 9 months ago

This message brought to you by the ERA-is-the-batting-average-of-pitchers foundation.

JacksTigers
3 years 9 months ago

Wasn’t basing it on ERA, but thanks for trying.

3 years 9 months ago

Well no matter how you look at it, Joe Saunders isn’t a good pitcher.

If he is, so are the following: Jason Hammel, Jake Westbrook, Chris Volstad, AJ Burnett, Derek Lowe, Luke Hochevar… Need I go on?

Serviceable, yes, but good? No.

JacksTigers
3 years 9 months ago

In the context that it was used, he is a good pitcher. He is not a good ace, he is just fine as a #5 starter.

3 years 9 months ago

But a #5 isn’t going to make a big impact somewhere.

JacksTigers
3 years 9 months ago

You don’t think a good #5 could make a big impact? I’m not saying that he will make a big impact like an ace would. I’m saying that he is a very good option for a back of the end rotation pitcher and could help the team in a huge way. The difference between Zach Miner and Joe Saunders is a big one.

JacksTigers
3 years 9 months ago

Look you in the face?

1. You’re doing it wrong.
2. We’re on the internet.

CubHope
3 years 9 months ago

…and the opinion of a Boston writer as to what the Cubs should do means what?

GoAwayNow
3 years 9 months ago

It means that its an article he wrote.

MaineSox
3 years 9 months ago

…and the opinion of a writer means what?

Fixed that for you.

slider32
3 years 9 months ago

I think Garza might be a fit for the Yanks, give the Cubs Nunez, Betances, and Warren, or Montero and Nunez. The Cubs get their young 1b and 3bmen, and the Yanks get their #2.

Gjf29
3 years 9 months ago

The Red Sox should take any useful player they can get. Theo was a GM, not a superstar player. He left because he received a higher-ranking job. The Red Sox are not going to get a stud player for him, plain and simple.

commenter3346
3 years 9 months ago

…. and a GM is probably the most important part of an organization.

0bsessions
3 years 9 months ago


The Red Sox should take any useful player they can get. ”

That’s exactly the point, though, there has yet to be any indication that the Cubs are willing to give up a useful player. They have like four or five players that would be of any use to another MLB franchise and they’ve effectively said they’re all off limits.

Gobias_Industries
3 years 9 months ago

“One scout who watched Yoenis Cespedes work out last week said that the Cuban outfielder has great power but has concerns that he could be prone to striking out frequently.”

Sounds like he would slot in nicely between Chris Davis and Mark Reynolds. Sign him up!

I wonder if Drew Stubbs can be got for cheap…

NYPOTENCE
3 years 9 months ago

“got” to had

Gobias_Industries
3 years 9 months ago

um thanks?

xcal1br
3 years 9 months ago

Best screen name I’ve seen in a long time bro.  =)
I miss that show.

roomwithamoose
3 years 9 months ago

it’s coming back in a year though can’t wait! I need a lawyer like Bob Loblaw

gcheezpuff
3 years 9 months ago

Who hangs up first, Cubs send Garza and Byrd to the Yankees for Phil Hughes, Brett Gardner and E. Nunez. Wouldn’t this help both teams?

StanleyHudson
3 years 9 months ago

…Cubs…

StanleyHudson
3 years 9 months ago

…Cubs…

cyberboo
3 years 9 months ago

Why would the Cubs want to give New York Garza for those players?  Gardner has speed, but not much of anything else.  Nunez made 20 errors in 2011 at SS and 3B.  Hughes has been injured for pretty much the last two seasons.  For Garza, the Yankees would have to do a lot better than that and that doesn’t include Byrd.  Use the trade of Garza to the Cubs as a guideline of what Theo would demand in return.  You can start with Gardner, but then you include Montero and Banuelos.  Both players are merely prospects and the Cubs want to restock their minors.  No one can say either prospect is a star, because they aren’t.  They haven’t played even a quarter of a season.  Yes, they have potential, but until they have a full year in the majors, they remain just that – prospects. 

GoAwayNow
3 years 9 months ago

Your argument seems to severely undervalue prospects.

xcal1br
3 years 9 months ago

He’s right.  Garza is a proven commodity, no prospect ever is until they do it in the show.  I would be a millionaire if I had a hundred bucks for every “can’t miss” or five-tool prospect that is currently slinging hash at Denny’s.  This applies to our own Barrett Jackson.  He has been solid in the minors, but has not yet been seriously tested.

Most people I read severely over-value prospects, btw.

East Coast Bias
3 years 9 months ago

But Gardner HAS done it in the show. And Montero showed good signs last year. So… how is he right?

xcal1br
3 years 9 months ago

Just in general regarding the value of prospects versus proven big leaguers.

gcheezpuff
3 years 9 months ago

gotcha… I am a Cubs fan and obviously under valuing Garza then. I like the idea of Gardner leading off and playing CF in Wrigley and getting pitching back from the Yanks as well. I’d assume they would have the most interest if Theo is really shopping Garza. The Cubs gave up 3 good prospect to get Garza and unless I am mistaken, I don’t believe any of them would be valued as high as Gardner. I could be wrong but wouldn’t Nunez project better at 3rd then SS? I thought Hughes was valued higher and I think all 3 players I suggested would look better in the NL. That is why I asked who would hang up first.. trying to gage Garza’s value… thanks for explaining.       

East Coast Bias
3 years 9 months ago

Gardner is the best defensive player in the entire league. And he has potential to be the steals leader too. Hughes value is low, so why trade him now?

If there is a package for Garza, it would involve prospects like Romine or Betances, not players on the roster like Gardner, and not top prospects like Montero or Banuelos. Garza isn’t a front end starter, and would not command a package one would offer for Cliff Lee or Felix Hernandez. 

Get a clue. 

gcheezpuff
3 years 9 months ago

In a week free agent market Garza’s value should be high if the Cubs do in fact make him available. Funny how Yanks fans think the package I suggested is to high and Cubs fans think it is to little. Nunez and Hughes are both considered prospects and Gardner is a slightly above average outfielder. Garza is a top of the line SP under team control for 2 years with proven success in the AL east. The more of these responses I read the more I think my proposal isn’t that far off.

East Coast Bias
3 years 9 months ago

Garza is not a front end starter. Period. 

Nunez is a prospect. Hughes has been with the club for 3 years. What other “prospect” do you know that has done that? Comical. 

If three people agree with you, it doesn’t make it right. Gardner is not a prospect. He is the BEST defensive player in the entire major league baseball. This is not my opinion. It is fact. And he has potential to lead the league in steals, as he’s shown prior. Oh yeah, and he’s dirt cheap for years to come. 

If you go off the package the Cubs sent to TB for Garza, your proposal is WAY off! There were only prospects involved, no one from the big league club. Do your homework. 

gcheezpuff
3 years 9 months ago

Part of that has to do with the team Garza was traded from. TB didn’t want MLB players back, they wanted prospects because they can’t afford to pay salary on anything and that is how they compete. From your responses you appear to believe Garza is less valuable the Gardner which is just crazy talk. In addition everyone in baseball sees Garza as a top of the Rotation starter minus you. He might not be a #1, but in the Yankees rotation he is behind only CC. Hughes and Nunez are both still prospects.. Hughes has not consistently started over the last 3 years and at the end of last season he wasn’t even considered a sure thing for the 2012 rotation. I tend to agree with some of the others that commented about the Cubs asking for more.

East Coast Bias
3 years 9 months ago

You don’t understand the word prospect. I recommend looking it up and figuring out what it means in the baseball sense. It’ll help you grasp the situation. There is no way Hughes is considered a prospect, regardless of how his performance has been last year. Prospects are exactly that, prospects, not known commodities. You shed the title prospect when you prove yourself (whether good or bad or average) in the major leagues. There are no more anticipations or expectations or probability of advancements, there is simply knowing what one is, hence no longer a prospect. I can’t believe I’m having to educate someone on this. Actually, I can’t believe I’m arguing with someone who doesn’t understand the term prospect. 

We can argue what we think, but here are the facts. Gardner had a 5.1WAR in 2011 and a 6.1 in 2010, and In the same time, Garza pitched a 5.0 and 1.6 WAR respectively the last two years. However, because of necessity, I can see why you think Yankees would overpay for a middle of the rotation pitcher (even though last year the Yankees rotation was in the top 10 in ERA), but if the Yanks part with pieces that are crucial to their current and future success, it will be for a top of rotation starter like Cliff Lee, Felix Hernandez, Tim Lincecum, etc., which nobody but you sees Garza as. Sorry.

edit: Yankees were 11th in team ERA, not top 10… but close enough.

gcheezpuff
3 years 9 months ago

Ok… In the technical sense Hughes is not a prospect, but in regards to your own definition, a known commodity he is not. He has only pitched above 100 innings in one season at the MLB level. He has not yet pitched to he potential due mostly to injury. As for your WAR argument, that is not a full picture of value, just one way to measure a player. Pitching is always valued higher then position players… I’ve never heard anyone say “left fielding wins baseball games” but I have heard that said about pitching more then once. There isn’t a single GM in baseball that takes Gardner over Garza. Good pitching is always at a premium, Gardner is a speedy, defensive out fielder.

East Coast Bias
3 years 9 months ago

ehh, you believe in what people say, I believe in facts. Just different ways of looking at it, I guess. 

But the fact is, despite having “poor” pitching as people say, our offense powered us to the playoffs again. Good pitching is at a premium, heck, even mediocre pitching is at a premium… but that doesn’t mean it’s worth it. I’d be perfectly happy letting Banuelos get a shot at the rotation rather than give up an integral part of the team for a pitcher, unless it’s top end pitching. Then everything changes hahaaha

Remember, men lie, women lie, numbers don’t. Cheers.

mmiller54
3 years 9 months ago

Joe Saunders for Lars Anderson? Is that fair?

3 years 9 months ago

Yes do it now. The Dbacks have Goldschmidt. Why would they want Lars Anderson. He sucks you know don’t you.

qudjy1
3 years 9 months ago

AZ might actually do that.   They might as well get something for a guy they are on the fence about non-tendering.

notsureifsrs
3 years 9 months ago

even if lars were good, the dbacks have no place for him

3 years 9 months ago

they could trade him for matt garza

qudjy1
3 years 9 months ago

He could be used as a piece to acquire something else…  

3 years 9 months ago

Theo Epstein’s the Cubs President, Jed Hoyer’s the GM.

3 years 9 months ago

Does anyone know Yoennis Céspedes’s official height? Is he 5’10 or 6 foot?
I am not worried about his swing, I am willing (Jimmy), our batting coach, could work with him. He’s the only coach I like for the Orioles and I believe in him. The dude can cover a lot of ground from what I can see. Another thing about his swing, that didn’t stop the Tigers(Jackson) and Yankees( Granderson) from letting those two play, they strike out a lot. The only one in the AL East who has a good eye is Ellsbury.

Why do the Orioles have interest in Ortiz? Isn’t he a Type A free agent? While the Red Sox don’t get our “True” first round pick, I don’t want to give them anything for Ortiz.
As for our DH, we (Orioles) could have had Reimold, Doumit, and Chris Davis, and now Duquette wants to possible bring in Ortiz? Why? The O’s would have saved a lot of money and probable had gotten as much production. Yes, I mentioned Chris Davis as a DH, I think the guy can hit, I am unsure about his fielding ability especially at thrid base, first base he might be ok, but Reynolds is there. 

The Red Sox are at least trying to do something about their pitching coach. What in the world are the Orioles waiting for with their pitching coach situation?

My patience is really thin with the Orioles. I am really beginning to question the Whole Entire Organization. From Duquette giving a MLB Contract to Antonelli to Showalter’s inability to hire good coaches with exception to Jim Presley to Peter Angelos and why he simply doesn’t sell the team!

3 years 9 months ago

“The only one in the AL East who has a good eye is Ellsbury.” Jose Bautista?

3 years 9 months ago

Among a bunch of others… it’s a terribly misinformed statement.  Even if you limit it to just outfielders: Gardner, Swisher, Zobrist, Drew (though likely no longer in the AL East)

3 years 9 months ago

You guys pick on me …. why????
Seriously, I was talking strictly about center fielders or at least trying to do so.

Adam Jones
Granderson
Upton

They all have struck out over 100 times. That is what I was trying to do. Cespedes to play CF, and I am comparing him against other AL East or American League CF’s not all hitters in MLB

3 years 9 months ago

Uh…….I looked in the dictionary under “significant compensation” (you know as the cubs and bosox agreed to in exchange for Theo). Tyler Colvin was nowhere to be found. 637 major league Plate appearances and -0.5 rWAR. 30/100 BB/K in 2010. .150 batting average in 2011. Sounds like replacement level to me. Replacement level is not “signifcant compensation.” Why would Cafardo write such a stupid thing. Maybe he wants a job at the Chicago Tribune. Marlon Byrd would work for me. He could be the right handed right fielder the Sox need and he’s only under contract for a year. The Cubbies should be able to get by without him as he is 34 and will not be a part of the team when they are ready to compete. TYLER FREAKIN COLVIN?

notsureifsrs
3 years 9 months ago

this is going to be decided by selig and it’s going to be a win for the cubs. don’t expect much better than colvin

if i’m boston, i fork over a middling prospect of my own and take sean marshall at a discount

Guest
3 years 9 months ago

HAHA, good luck with getting a starting outfielder for a gm.

3 years 9 months ago

This is gonna end up in the hands of the Commish. We shall see what John Henry’sbest friend defines significant compensation as.

Sam_Merten
3 years 9 months ago

Replentish?

jondogg2010
3 years 9 months ago

No Thank You on Colvin. Yet another AAA player who will rake at AAA and fizzle in the majors. I don’t even classify him as AAAA.